Dear Fox News; thank you for making Christmas SUCK!

[Cooley Hurd]

I work in Medical Software and speak to my clients on a daily basis. Clients who are of different religions and ethnic backgrounds. Because of this, and because I'm respectful, I wish all who I speak to on the phone a "Happy Holiday" this time of year.

Well, some intolerant Fox News watcher, when I wished them this all-encompassing greeting, YELLED at me on the phone today, "It's Christmas!!" Yeah... actually fucking YELLED at me! Stunned, I said, "um, and you too." I hung up, dejected and saddened.

Happy Holidays has been an accepted greeting for as long as I can remember. We had some silly paper thing that hung on our front door throughout the 60's and 70's that said "Happy Holidays" and, for the life of me NO one ever objected to it! Fast-forward 40 years and NOW silly assholes who watch this God-awful, intolerant cable news network now ATTACK those who offer this greeting.

Fox News, you just plain suck for ruining this time of year with your divisive bullshit. You are NOT "champions of Christmas". You are helping destroy it.

[NMDemDist2]

1. agreed! i used to wish people Merry Christmas all the time and i'm not even Christian

now it makes me twitch and Happy Holidays makes me worry i'll get a response like the one you described.

so instead of happily wishing Merry Christmas and Happy holidays to all i meet, i don't say anything at all.

[Cooley Hurd]

4. That's EXACTLY my new position on it. I will not say a damn thing unless they do first...

It's ALL because that shitty cable opinion network INSISTS on enraging the gullible. Eff it. No greetings from me anymore. Nice Job, Fox...

[grandpamike1]

59. You know

I am as you are, not Christian, but I do wish everyone a Merry Christmas, have done that all my life, and to get into argument about some trumped up trivial stupidity, well, that's is not going to happen. The argument whether or not to say Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas to someone is so contrived as to be ridiculous, but, there are many, who listen to right wing radio, and are just looking for anything to start an argument, and to them I just say F off, as they are not worthy of any further conversation.

[caledesi]

110. "The 'war' on Christmas' is so phony" nt

'

[Maraya1969]

131. I think it is kind of real and Fox news started it because they love war.

They love anything that causes people to get mad. Aren't the people who watch Fox mad all the time? Maybe that is a technique made up to keep viewers. They get their viewers to be pissed off at any semblance of neutrality or unity and more and more isolationists, and people who just plain become people that you don't like. From there they can say anything and their followers will accept it as truth.

[bluemarkers]

116. the collection of antique cards

I have, several say Happy Holidays

I've always said it (and I'm from NC) Even tried to convince those bone headed people that it's all right, but stupid seems to follow stupid

So my solution is to say Happy Holidays, and if they follow up with Merry Christmas, I repeat it back to them. They are the miserable ones, don't let them bring you down! (I wonder if Happy Festivus would bring about heart attacks and seizures!)


Happy Holidays Merry Christmas Feliz Navidad

[tsuki]

134. I say "Peace on earth, goodwill toward all". Makes the Fundies

twitch with anger that I didn't say, ya'know, but they don't say anything.

[arcane1]

2. Peace and good will are in short supply this year n/t

[Mariana]

17. This has been going on for years.

It is becoming more common, but it's not a new thing, at least in some parts of the country.

[SomeGuyInEagan]

72. It is all about who can be the whiniest victim

These people don't want us all to be Christians or vote R or even have Ayn Rand wet dreams ... They simply want to be victims and whine. If it wasn't this or guns or taxes, they'd find something else to claim to fulfill their pathological need for attention and being the victim. They needed better parents as children and we have to deal with it now that they are adults.

[Mapletonian]

91. I think you pretty much nailed it right there.

You obviously had great parenting.

[icarusxat]

97. calling them adults...

goes a little too far...

[llmart]

137. You absolutely have hit the nail on the head....

and summed them up perfectly, especially the part about bad parenting. Very eloquently said.

[japple]

50. Peace and good will have always been in short supply

on Fux Nooz

[lpbk2713]

3. Faux has the Midas touch.

Everything Faux gets involved in turns to shit.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

29. Good one

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

34. That's the Midas Touch in Reverse! n/t

[aggiesal]

75. Otherwise known as the Sadim Touch. n/t

[narnian60]

5. What do these people say AFTER Christmas?

Happy Holidays encompasses the entire season through New Year's. As a former teacher (who looked forward to the time off at this time of the year), I like to tell people to enjoy not only Christmas, but the days after it, too.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

32. Exactly

That's what the greeting "Happy Holidays" means. You have holidays that run from Thanksgiving to the Epiphany (otherwise known as Three Kings Day or the Eastern Orthodox Christmas) in January.

[mazzarro]

92. Your explanation is too long...

And your reasoning too deep and convoluted for reTeapubliKKKans to wrap their minds around.

[caledesi]

112. They have tunnel vision ...there are Jews, Muslims and

non believers...this is not 1950!

Just shop 'til you drop.

[chillfactor]

6. I still use two separate greetings....

because that is how I was brought up...it has nothing to do with FAUX NOISE!

"Merry Christmas" now....."Happy New Year" once Christmas is over....people in my small mountain community do the same here as they did in my home state.

if "Happy Holidays" is your greeting...go with it....but do not blame others if they choose to separate the two holidays...I certainly do not become so upset if some says "Happy Holidays" to me...

[Cooley Hurd]

7. But there are more holidays that "Christmas" and "New Years"

[OnlinePoker]

142. These are the ones I celebrate with the family.

If I believed in god, I might say Happy Holidays since the word literally came from Holy Days, but I'm not so I don't.

[okaawhatever]

8. I say Happy Holidays if it's someone I won't see for both holidays. I take the S in holidays as

plural. So if it's a stranger or someone I rarely see I say Happy Holidays or something to that effect meaning Christmas AND New Years and maybe boxing day if they celebrate it. If it's someone at work that I know I'll see after Christmas I say Merry Christmas and then when New Years comes around I say happy New Year.

[840high]

21. Same here.

[busterbrown]

45. Before Fox...

No one ever got pissed if you said “Happy Holidays”...

They are not stupid these Fox Whores.. They know how to pull in revenue..Don’t they?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

9. 1955 record cover "Happy Holiday"

[progressoid]

86. Obviously she's a BAD Catholic.

married in a Roman Catholic ceremony on February 26, 1952, before which Stafford converted to Catholicism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jo_Stafford#Retirement_and_later_life

[GETPLANING]

10. Well said

[Bernardo de La Paz]

11. 1959 record cover "Seasons Greetings"

Is Perry Como conservative enough for the next <Fox viewer / Tea bagger / soc-con> you encounter spouting off about the faux war on christmas?

[Ed Suspicious]

12. I had a very similar thought today after an awkward exchange between a nice lady and myself

My salutation was "Merry Christmas... or happy holidays... or umm... whatever you celebrate." After I hung up the phone, I thought "Fuck you fox news for taking the one time of year where most people in my community are just a touch extra civil toward each other and turning into uncomfortably awkward shit pile. Fuck you Fox News." I think going forward I'm going to say happy holidays and if you can't appreciate the sentiment behind the words then you can get bent. Ho Ho Fucking Ho.

[RKP5637]

13. I'm so fucken fed up with it all I don't say anything anymore, and I've taken to beginning

to hate Christmas, all of the hatred, the fighting, the right wing shit, all of the corporate hype for $$$$$, all of the loonies in full force, crap like Fox News, it's just become to me at least a very unpleasant time of the year. There was a time when it was fun.

[Curmudgeoness]

14. Righteous rant. Tell it to Faux News.

I would post it on their website. We already know that they are destroying Christmas with their indignant noise.

[avebury]

42. As they are destroying everything I doubt

they would even notice some posts on their version of an attack on Christmas.

[caledesi]

113. Well said! nt

[Botany]

15. Let it go they are the ones that are hurting not you and so ....

.... they have to lash out about something that is not really a problem. Fox News and the toxins
they spew can only hurt your Christmas if you let it get to you. It is after all a network that was
founded on the idea that lying to as many people as possible is a good thing.

[onlyadream]

16. I always thought happy holidays meant Christmas and New Years...

And if someone yelled, "it's Christmas!", I would have added, "and New Years, thus the plural word 'holidays'." Oy, some people are so touchy,

[rdchili96]

136. Hmm

Chanukah and Kwanzaa don't exist in your world? Happy Holidays always meant Christmas, Kwanzaa, Chanukah, New Years, and pretty much any holiday that takes place around December 25th.

[onlyadream]

140. Actually I never heard of Kwanza until the mid 90s!

And I'm talking about what I thought the term meant way before cable and Fox "news".
And I did mean to include Chanukah, I just forgot to mention it, so thanks. Happy holidays to you.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Newspaper advertising 1962

(on edit fixed link)

[adirondacker]

62. I love that era of graphic art. Thanks for posting! nt

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. Joyous Holiday 1962

[Bernardo de La Paz]

20. Magazine cover 1962

(on edit forgotten link)

[Liberal_Dog]

22. K & R

You summed things up perfectly.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. And Greetings 1952

[Mariana]

24. Well, you shouldn't be persecuting Christians that way.

Saying "Happy Holidays" - how could you?



Seriously, this bullying about Christmas has been going on for some time and it's just getting worse and worse. These nutcases really believe they're being persecuted and they think they're defending their right to freedom of religion when they do this. Faux News, RW hate radio, and some of the churches are reinforcing this idea and are egging them on.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

35. 1894 Happy Holidays book

[AAO]

79. He should have said

"I say Happy Holidays because I don't want to leave out the Muslins."

[TexasTowelie]

25. Faux News has fucked up their viewers lives enough

that they'll never experience anything "merry" or "happy" ever again.

[Ed Suspicious]

141. I think there is a real truth in this idea. They've actually instilled and fomented hatred in their

viewership that no doubt touches every part of their paranoid, angry lives.

[savalez]

26. Good post Cooley Hurd.

Check it out. I spoke a holiday thing a couple of days ago and I wished everyone a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanza, and Happy Festivus. Then I said that I could've covered all that with Happy Holidays but that would have probably offended some people. Everyone laughed. Funny thing, when I said Happy Festivus a bunch of people yelled "for the rest of us!"

Yes, I agree. The war on Christmas is being waged by Fox News and nobody else is involved.

[tavalon]

122. Happy Solstice too!

Now I'm offended. (Joking)

[savalez]

124. lol

Oops, I forgot than one. See! That's more proof that "Happy Holidays" is essential.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. 1922 Yuletide Greetings postcard

obverse

[stillwaiting]

95. Whoever sent that is clearly roasting in THE pit of fire and brimstone right now...

[rhett o rick]

28. I say "Happy Holidays" or "Merry Christmas" which ever comes to mind at the time.

Hell if I will let Faux News influence what I say. And if anyone doesnt like it, that's their problem.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. 1928 "Holiday Message" Oldsmobile advertising record

(on edit: working link)

Perhaps "your grandfather's Oldsmobile" would be conservative enough for Republican and Tea party trolls

[eridani]

64. Oldsmobile?

Oh, Look, Dammit! Some Massive Oil Burner Is Leaking Everywhere!

Old Loose Dented Sheet Metal Outdated By Infamies Like Edsel

Old Ladies Driving Slowly Make Others Behind Infuriatingly Late Everywhere

[Gore1FL]

31. When I am confronted by the "IT'S MERRY CHRISTMAS" crowd, I reply like this:

"Technically, for Christian's it's 'Happy Advent.'"

Obviously, this only works up to Christmas.

It's also fun to berate those same people who wish you "Happy New Year," for not wishing you a "Merry Christmas" on the 8th day of the holiday.

[mwooldri]

88. but Christmas isn't till January 6th!

That is, if you're Russian Orthodox. But being the Anglican that I am, I'll have my Epiphany

Seriously, if people are wishing me well for a particular occasion then I think one should be grateful, and return the well wishes.

That guy shouting Merry Christmas? Must be related to Scrooge.

[obxhead]

33. Thank You!

10 years ago (before the war on xmas) I ONLY said happy holidays, out of respect.

I never heard a disrespectful reply.

Now i just say "thanks" all season because I fear being chewed out for recognizing the season.

F you Faux News. You've taken the biggest step of all in ruining Christmas.

[Faygo Kid]

36. I have always used them interchangably. Never thought about it.

Now I'm in my 60s, and I feel intimidated. Guarantee you that Grandma would have set O'Reilly straight about this absurditry.

[etherealtruth]

37. Agreed

I am afraid to express any indication that I realize it is a holiday season to anyone

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. In 1659 Christians started the real war on christmas:

Puritans in 1659 or 1660:

"Publick Notice The Observation of Christmas having been deemed a Sacrilege, the exchanging of Gifts and Greetings, dressing in Fine Clothing, Feasting, and similar Satanical Practices are hereby FORBIDDEN with the Offender liable to a Fine of Five Shillings"

[progressoid]

87. That may be the best one yet.

[deurbano]

39. Don't let some cranky jerk make YOU feel bad! Besides, I thought holiday came from "holy day"...

(That's not close enough for those poor, beleaguered victims of... everything?) At rate, sorry for the rude response to your friendly (and totally uncontroversial, longstanding) greeting. And by the way, hope you have a Cool Yule!

[drm604]

40. If you think about it

it's really very childish and self centered to angrily insist that people must greet you in a certain way. These people have lost all sense of courtesy and good manners.

[AAO]

81. The best solution is don't say anything unless greeted first

Then just say, "you too!"..

[pokerfan]

41. The irony....

[tblue]

118. Insane. Maybe it's best just to say Hello and Goodbye.

Who cares??? No one worth worrying about gives a damn.

[Quasimodem]

43. I don't see the difficulty.

I have no problem with someone of a different faith wishing me the joy of their holiday. Therefor, I will cheerfully accept wishes of Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Pancha Mukha Ganapathia, Happy Kwanzaa, Cool Yule, or Happy Festivus!

To perdition with the Grinches at Fox News and their war on multicultural cheer, and to those poor unfortunates in Fox News’ thrall, Season’s Greetings!

[tavalon]

123. I learned about Ganapathia just last night

from an Indian family. But they said it happened in November. But whatever, they were happy to enjoy the joy of whatever but especially the joy of their new baby.

[mercuryblues]

44. whether

it is merry Christmas or Happy holidays. I have been noticing more and more cashiers looking like they expect someone to yell at them after they give either greeting. It is freaking sad.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

46. Bing Crosby conservative enough?

The same 1943 film ("Holiday Inn&quot that premiered the song "White Christmas" also had the song "Happy Holiday" that also became popular.

Here is an image from bingcrosby.com

[cascadiance]

111. Yep, so, Fox then must feel he's an UnAmerican atheist bastard huh?

I think most Americans know who the REAL UnAmerican bastards are Fox. Look in the fricking mirror jerks!

[mdbl]

47. Who would have thought that...

a network would be created for and cater to the 2 million fringe asshole racist bigoted ignorant stupid people in this country. They are the FUX News viewers. Happy Holidays!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. Unfortunately Eisenhower not conservative enough for Fox: 1954

[BKH70041]

49. You must have missed the FUCK CHRISTMAS!! thread a few days ago.

That was a real treat.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Not even Reagan conservative enough: 1987 Whitehouse card

With warm holiday greetings
The President and Mrs. Reagan
1987

[hay rick]

52. The war against Christmas on the crawl.

When I go to the gym I see a dozen different stations overhead. You have to plug in earphones to get audio and I don't do that but I can read the subtitles and the crawl. The crawl on one of the cable news channels (not Fox News, so it was CNN or MSNBC) said "47% of Americans do NOT believe there is a war on Christmas." No wonder we're fucked.

[tavalon]

125. We have so many information wars we are fighting right now

I just can't get my panties in a wad about this one.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

53. Fox News seasonal card from 2011. Spot any reference to Christ? Christ-mas?

[JusticeForAll]

60. Shouldn't the sheep be behind the Fox sleigh....

Following it, instead of leading it?

Thanks for the pic!!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

54. Tim "Happy Holidays" Tebow not christian enough?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

55. Happy Holidays 2011 from Fox Music

[Douglas Carpenter]

56. very well said- knr

[KT2000]

57. FOX takes what is good

and turns it into anger and hate. This year Santa didn't even escape their wrath.
For them - Christmas and the holidays are just another time to hate.

If their followers really thought about it - they would realize they are being led by evil forces. Who turns things to crap???

I also hesitate to express holiday greetings to anyone I don't know now.

[eridani]

58. I used to say "Merry Christmas"

But now I say "Happy Holidays" just because I don't want to be mistaken for one of those Fox News assholes.

[AAO]

82. That's rich!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

61. Rep. Nat. Committee is warring against christmas, 2012

[Bernardo de La Paz]

63. US Army war on christmas: Camp Ramadi

[dsharp88]

65. Actually, "Happy Holidays" is the more Christian greeting...

that is, if you believe the season stands for good will to ALL humankind (as in "Peace on Earth, good will toward men&quot . "Happy Holidays is inclusive to all humanity while "Merry Christmas" only shows the intention to spread good will to those with a similarly held religious belief system.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

66. +1

Saint John Baptist Preschool gets it:

[Bernardo de La Paz]

67. Catholic University wars on christmas

[polynomial]

68. It’s those flying carpets again

Yep, from my view news crew will do anything for money and the Arabs have a lot of it to throw around. Its Christmas bonus time at Fox news. The annual anti-Christian jihad is in motion for all American infidels. If they can not wipe the Americans off the earth at least the Arabs will pay to give America a hard time at the holidays.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

69. Southern Methodist (Plano, Texas) war on christmas

[Bernardo de La Paz]

70. US Navy war on christmas

[BlancheSplanchnik]

71. I've taken to saying Happy Solstice.

With a big happy smile.

Haven't had any shit yet. (Fingers crossed)

[chungking34]

73. Faux News is a cancer on American society

It's the main reason why the right in this country has gotten so much support in this country, despite their vile politics.

[BellaKos]

83. You're right, of course.

Another reason that Fux people have so much clout is because we don't push back enough. Just count how many times in the above posts, people have said that they fear confrontation even when they say, "Happy Holidays," to a Fux viewer.
Fear? Really?
People should anticipate the "Merry Christmas" Fux campaign and have a response -- a witty, devastating, thoughtful response ready to go. It's a hell of a note that Rational People are afraid to speak up against this sort of thing.
Fear? Really?

[Raine]

74. I agree, everything has to be a controversy with them. Sad that even for Christmas you have to

choose a side. It puts a person on edge and under stress for the fear of saying the wrong thing.

[BobTheSubgenius]

76. Between Dec. 1 and Jan. 6...

There are over 30 commemorative days celebrated by various religions in that interval. Granted, some are archaic and not really celebrated by many, but still....

Is a general, all-inclusive greeting extended in the spirit of the season really THAT bad?

[AAO]

77. Good thing you didn't say "Seasons' Greetings"!!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

78. yep. they are corroding America one rusty lugnut at a time

[AAO]

80. Next time someone tells me merry Xmas

I'm going to scream, "I'm an atheist you insensitive moron!"

[BellaKos]

84. Dear DU

I'm amazed although not surprised because it happens so often.
How many times have people around here expressed their apprehension if not plain FEAR at the prospect of confronting the Right Wing meme? It comes in in many forms -- from the crazy uncle at Christmas dinner to the anonymous caller yelling, "It's Christmas!" that Cooley Hurd described.
For gawd's sake, people! Your *fear* of confrontation is the reason these dummies are getting away with their hatefulness.
We know what they are apt to say. And we know what tone they will take -- including inappropriate anger. So there's absolutely no reason to be stunned or even upset. Plan the witty response ahead of time and FIGHT BACK.

[Cha]

85. Ye-ah! All those suckers who get Sucked in by

fox screws must be having a terrible Merry Christmas. Since Attitude is everything.

thanks Cooley.. sorry, you got yelled at by an idiot.

P.S. I've just been saying "Merry Christmas" even though I have no religion. It's kinda ingrained from years of growing up. All my family says it.. it's just flows better for me. Today I said "Feliz Navidad" to a group of my young friends recently on the Island from California.

Mele Kalikikimaka

[NealK]

89. They are more efficient than The Grinch...

And will never have a change of mind.

[Enthusiast]

90. K&R. Fox "News" sucks for many reasons.

The "Merry Christmas vs Happy Holidays" fake controversy is just another one.

[Swede Atlanta]

93. Unless I am with someone face to face or know their religion....

I always say Happy Holidays or Season's Greetings.

Unless you have some reason to believe or know someone is a Christian it is indeed impolite to wish them a "Merry Christmas". What the "war on Christmas" crowd fail to appreciate is when you use the word "Christmas" you are wishing them to celebrate the virgin birth of a baby in Bethlehem, a baby that would save all sinners if you "believe in him".

That is very pompous indeed in a multi-cultural and multi-religous society. Yes Christianity is a proselytizing religion - i.e. the duty of each and every Christian is to spread the good news and convert others to the faith.

But it would be the same as if every Jew (I live in a very Jewish part of Atlanta) wished me a Happy Hanukah. While Jews and some Christians share the First Book of Maccabees in their Old Testament and Torah, not all Christians do. Hanukah is a wonderful story and indeed Paul in Colossians referred to the historical Jewish festivals as forerunners to the glory of Jesus Christ. But that is as far as Christians go in terms of recognizing Hanukah as anything more than a quasi-historical, wonderful story about light.

Out of respect for others it is that I use a generic greeting unless I have some information about the other person. I wish my Jewish friends Happy Hanukah at Hanukah and they wish me Merry Christmas at Christmas out of mutual respect based on the knowledge of each other's faith traditions.

There is no "war on Christmas". But what I have seen is a holiday that as a child was full of wonderment as much for the story of the birth of Jesus but of course the anticipation for what would be found under the tree the next day. But Christmas in our home was not a gross display of consumerism. Our parents exchanged one nice and a few smaller gifts with each other. The children got one "big" gift from Santa and then some nice, usually more practical gifts, from Mom and Dad and sibling too.

If there is a war on Christmas it is the consumerism and gluttony that describes western observations of Christmas. I used to think it was mostly in the U.S. but having spent a few Christmases in recent years in Western Europe and even Australia, it is Merry Consumption, not Merry Christmas. This at a time we have so many in our own nation around the world that are hungry, cold, sick, etc. It is indeed a disgusting sight to see the news clips of the consumer wars on Black Friday.

[tavalon]

126. Your last paragraph says it all

Yuck. That's the war we should be fighting, not the contrived one from Faux.

[Ganja Ninja]

94. We need to celebrate a new FOX inspired holiday.

A holiday that symbolizes the way these soulless media shills and vindictive pseudo-Christians have ruined the traditional holiday.

For example instead of a tree we could construct a pole made from vertically stacked empty beer cans to symbolize the loss of traditional holiday warmth and good will. Then during the traditional feast there could be an airing of grievances by friends and family to symbolize the new standard of intolerance inspired by the FOX tradition. Later the family could gather together and the patriarch could physically dominate the weaker less aggressive family members in a contest of strength or feats of strength if you will to symbolize the bullying aspect of the new tradition.

Now all we need is a name. What to call it? What to call it?

[icarusxat]

98. How about we call it...

Christmas...or Thanksgiving...or...

[treestar]

109. Romney

Your description reminded me of that son of Romney's admitting he charged to the head of the line at their Thanksgiving Dinner.

[The Wizard]

115. Seinfeld Day.(NT)

[TexasProgresive]

96. Faux Noise is just carrying water for the fundies

What is ironic is these people did not celebrate Christmas in the recent past. Maybe that's the plan- get everyone so disgusted that they don't celebrate this time of year. hmmmm!

[Iggo]

99. By saying "Santa Claus is white"...

...they opened the door to "Santa Claus isn't real"...which ultimately opens the door to "god isn't real."

And for that, I thank them.

[underpants]

100. I have noticed that the more emphatically they say Merry Christmas the more likely they are to be

a dashboard believer (my name for Fox News the RW radio crowd).

I hear people say and you can tell it is just what they say...okay.

I say Happy Holidays most of the time.

[libodem]

101. Nothing like

Intolerant vitriol as a seasonal greeting. Sorry you got yelled at. Eff 'em.

[randr]

102. It is the intent of faux news to warp the meaning of Christmas

After all, if people celebrated the meaning of Christmas they may develop a sense of compassion and empathy for all mankind. This is against all that the Bullshit Mountain stands for and they have practically successfully achieved their goal.

[liberal N proud]

103. Happy Holidays has been used for as long as I can remember

And that is a long time - long before FOX was around to pump the propaganda.

It is appropriate because it covers all the holidays this time of year, both religious and not, regardless of the religion. It covers New Years holiday as well.

The FOX news fabricated War on Christmas s bullshit devised to device people.

Happy Holidays everyone!

[HoosierCowboy]

104. Yet on "Family Guy"

Fox did a parody on the birth of Jesus that would make an atheist cringe and a Bible Thumper go blind.

[lunasun]

105. These people are haters and it would not matter what some people said to them

comment from an article I was reading .........

"That said, as a believer, I get a little annoyed when people say they are "celebrating Christmas" but they are atheists, or agnostics - heck, even my Muslim neighbors put up a tree and lights and say they are celebrating Christmas. My Muslim neighbors bring me Christmas cookies and a Christmas card, they play Christmas music (actual Christmas music - gospel songs, classic celebrations of the birth and the 3 kings, etc - not pop songs that could be better classified as winter music), they have a grand old time and I'm certain that in certain parts of the world they would be in serious trouble as Muslims for this. Am I offended by this? Yeah, I kinda am...


I get it, it's my issue, and I'm not trying to put a damper on anyone else's enjoyment of a celebration near the winter solstice - I just wish they'd not say they were celebrating Christmas when their celebrations have nothing to do with the birth of Christ and/or they don't believe in him (as in either believe he existed at all, or believe that he died for the sins of humans)."

Either way the loonies will be mad as a hatter.....sorry you got yelled at by some asshole for a season greeting - jeez wtf

[tavalon]

127. Haters gonna hate

Silliness abounds around this topic.

[lunasun]

138. True & if those non Christians they do not like greet them with "Merry Christmas!" enough

they will move on from their War on Christmas to
Christmas is being stolen from the Christians Crusade !

[niyad]

106. when I have to interact with the "merry christmas" crowd, which I try to avoid, not out of fear,

but because they annoy me, I respond, "since you appropriated my holidays, I would prefer that you use their proper names, so happy yule, blessed solstice, merry saturnalia."

In listening around this year at various retail venues, I have heard several of the whiners almost literally screaming at the cashiers or other employees. since the employees cannot fight back, I do.

happy, merry christsticechanzaa.

[Erose999]

107. I'm goign to just start saying "bah humbug" to people. With a smile, of course.

[treestar]

108. educational thread

It was fine, even in the days when most Americans were Christians. So the objection only comes from the idea of not excluding non Christians.

[The Wizard]

114. Everyone at that

Nazi propaganda outlet deserves a good beating.

[Thespian2]

117. Did anyone consider?

People, driven by corporate propaganda, have evolved December 25 into a day of Greed. Did early Christians celebrate Christ's birth in this way? No. Read the ancient Christian writings. No need to blame just Far-Fetched Fux...Corporations destroyed the meaning of Christ's birth. What most posters have missed is the following:

If Jesus Christ wasn't born on December 25, does the Bible indicate when He was born?

The biblical accounts point to the fall of the year as the most likely time of Jesus' birth, based on the conception and birth of John the Baptist.

Since Elizabeth (John's mother) was in her sixth month of pregnancy when Jesus was conceived Luke 1:24-36
we can determine the approximate time of year Jesus was born if we know when John was born. John's father, Zacharias, was a priest serving in the Jerusalem temple during the course of Abijah Luke 1:5

Historical calculations indicate this course of service corresponded to June 13-19 in that year ( The Companion Bible, 1974, Appendix 179, p. 200).

It was during this time of temple service that Zacharias learned that he and his wife Elizabeth would have a child Luke 1:8-13
After he completed his service and traveled home, Elizabeth conceived Luke 1:23-24

Assuming John's conception took place near the end of June, adding nine months brings us to the end of March as the most likely time for John's birth. Adding another six months (the difference in ages between John and Jesus) brings us to the end of September as the likely time of Jesus' birth.

Taken from the Good News magazine. Thank you for reading.

[tblue]

119. Jesus would barf

I seriously doubt He would condone all this commercial madness. I also doubt that everybody making a big deal out of His birthday was all that important to Him. I'm no biblical scholar, but I kinda think He'd have us focus on more meaningful pursuits.

[dembotoz]

120. they should just be happy i don;t say FUCK OFF

i have several times now
great fun

only do it to the Its christmas trolls

[tavalon]

121. We were talking about this at work

and most of us are very careful to say Happy Holidays because, well, we take care of diverse people, many of whom have a different holiday and even, in the case of many people from India, their holiday was in November so why say Merry Christmas? My fellow pagans (yes, we do have a secret handshake) all wished one another a happy solstice but we wouldn't push that on anyone else.

Alas, this year, I wasn't able to celebrate my holiday because I'm working insane overtime. My son, who is autistic, celebrates Christmas (all year long, if he could) so tomorrow I will say Merry Christmas while he opens his gifts.

In other words, Faux "News" may be trying to ruin this time of year, but from where I'm sitting, no one is listening.

I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you have a wonderful holiday of your choosing.

[louis-t]

128. Ahh, Christian fundie fox news watchers....

Bringing such joy to the planet.

[LynneSin]

129. That's what Faux News hopes to do - make us feel dejected or stupid for being all inclusive

Don't let them win.

The woman was an asshole. She's worthy of about a millisecond of your caring then just brush it off and move on for life. For every asshole like that woman there are probably dozens of people who were grateful that you didn't assume their faith and wanted to include them in all of your holiday wishes.

You've done well!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

130. Eventually, someone Jewish is going to get pissed.

[grahamhgreen]

132. K&R 200:) happy Holidays (which means Holy Days, right???)

[santamargarita]

133. Christmas doesn't take the asshole out of a Republican.

[RedstDem]

135. usually i just come back with

oh, I'm sorry, i meant to say happy FUCKING holidays.......

[tofuandbeer]

139. My mother (RIP) shocked me when I went over to her house

one Christmas (about 10 years ago), when she asked me: "Isn't that awful the way people are going around saying "Happy Holidays?"
I was dumbfounded. We were raised with the phrase, sang along with the phrase in songs like Bing Crosby's "Happy Holidays" and a list of others. I think I just said, "Oh. Why?"

I found out a few years later, that she had Fox News on 24/7.

Sad.

[Moonwalk]

143. Holiday means "holy day" so when you wish someone "happy holidays" you're wishing them--

"Happy Holy Days." I had an discussion with some guy a few days ago, and he was saying, "Holiday is a vacation you go on...!" I not only pointed out that it also meant "holy day" but also said, "Are you saying you're not getting Christmas day or New Year's off? That you're not going to be on "holiday" on those days?"

It's silly beyond belief, and I, for one, am not going to let Fox dictate the rules of the game. I'm saying "Happy Holidays" to spite them and to maintain my Yuletide spirit and if someone takes offense....

I'm going to laugh at them. Loudly. And point. And tell them I stopped having such stupid arguments when I left kindergarden.