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nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:15 PM Dec 2013

Ah the holidays, and loss.

After my brother died I said it would be a good idea to do a virtual irish wake (bring all the virtual drink you wish) to remember those who have gone before us, and how we will remember them.

So let me start this, with both my dad and my older brother.

Suffice it to say, they never had a good relationship, and I fear they never really learned to appreciate each other's quirks. Dad wanted Max to have a stable job, a good life, and all that. These were the things my brother really could not do fully.

So what are the things I remember both for?

My dad, well, we got fairly close near his death. One time we flew down there, he had to be in the Hospital on an emergency basis, for blood transfusions and my mom had a surgery in a completely different hospital, so I took care of dad.

That was somewhat special, watching weird foods with Zimmerman with dad and Bear Grills Survival program, and hearing war stories from WW II. Some of them he never told anybody but my husband and ironically my older brother, who could not believe them. He told me those since he said I would also get it since I have been in a few shoot outs. While they were never as intense, I did get it. What he did, he did to survive, fully. I will leave it at that.

My brother, well over the years he became increasingly right wing. Oh I must admit, he truly hated the fact that Americans elected that man in the WH. If he had been in the States he would have been your archetypical white male, aka tea party. His emais, I stopped reading them a long time ago, included jokes that were on the far right of the spectrum, and he sent those to my mother too, so that did not help. Nevertheless, when one day I managed to get on the phone with him four months ago, and he started to spout those jokes, I went he must be doing better. So yes. I will remember him for those jokes and it is a mixed memory.

He was my little window into RW ideology and how pervasive it is. He was also very jealous of the rest of his siblings, especially my brother since well, he is very successful in his field, and I mean extremely successful. He works seven days a week, and if he did not have vacation he would do this 365 days of the year. So when people people start talking about doctor pay, he has earned every red cent of what he gets paid, and as an employee he hardly makes that much. But due to those jealousies my older brother really never asked. People travel from all over the world to see my other brother, but my older brother never dared ask. My other brother kept up with it, and talked with his doctors, but such is life. He was willing to use an air ambulance, but my older brother never said yes.

So things that I will remember, my dad's sense of humor and going on with life, and his...let's call it what it is, atheism. Where was god when his family got massacred during the holocaust? Yet he still sent us to a Jewish School and we attended temple every year. He loved the music. Oh and he did listen to midnight mass every year on the TV from the Vatican. He loved religious music, and Yddish songs.

My brother for his love of pure bred dogs. I got the photo of the only one that staid at home. His love for his daugher and wife, and yes, his bad right wing humor. I might not have been able to stand it, but it was what made him what he was.

So, to the both of them,

And for those who need it, here is the coffee, virtual and all,

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Ah the holidays, and loss. (Original Post) nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 OP
K&R murielm99 Dec 2013 #1
Happy Holidays, nadinbrzezinski! NYC_SKP Dec 2013 #2
Same to you nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #3
loss and grief during the holidays irisblue Dec 2013 #4
Good, memories are good nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #5
Good, memories are good nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #5
A toast to your Dad and brother. A beautiful tribute nadin livetohike Dec 2013 #7
Interesting... 2naSalit Dec 2013 #8
Cheers nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #9
I had to edit my post 2naSalit Dec 2013 #10
They are nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #11
And you were right! 2naSalit Dec 2013 #13
Thank you for your unfailing honesty, Nadin. And Happy Chanukah! Raksha Dec 2013 #12
Happy hannukah to you too nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #14
Comforting words on loss from Shakespeare & A. A. Milne: Divernan Dec 2013 #15
A lovely tribute! Paka Dec 2013 #16
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #17
Beautiful! Phlem Dec 2013 #18
Leaves of memory make a mournful rustling in the dark... countryjake Dec 2013 #19
Thanks nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #24
It's a weird feeling looking back so many years. My mom died liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #20
I am sorry nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #25
thank you. I'm sorry for your loss as well. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #29
Great post Omaha Steve Dec 2013 #21
Hug...Nadin... Ahh...Families... KoKo Dec 2013 #22
They are special, and full of contradictions. nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #23
sorry for your loss. nt DesertFlower Dec 2013 #26
Hadn't seen you around, good to see you. n/t UTUSN Dec 2013 #27
I was off the web mostly nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #28
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Happy Holidays, nadinbrzezinski!
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:23 PM
Dec 2013

These are always wonderful and weird times with friends and family and, hopefully, more fun than drama.

irisblue

(33,054 posts)
4. loss and grief during the holidays
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:31 PM
Dec 2013

ach, achingly sweet memories, wishes, then colder more bland days...ach...and part of the human condition, we all carry our own holiday with us.
thanks nadine, your post gave me memories again

2naSalit

(86,935 posts)
8. Interesting...
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:56 PM
Dec 2013

I have more than one to share...

My father passed over a decade ago but it was a major event in my psyche and still is. He was a war veteran to his peers and a terrorist/ogre to his family. If he weren't related to me I would have crossed the street to avoid him in public. But when he was dying, I traveled across the continent to visit him one last time. It was a horrid, long death and I feel I wished it on him back in my childhood when I was enslaved in his home and longing to be free of him and all that he was. On my last visit, I saw a withered person, a literal sack of bones and tumors, scared of dying and meeting his maker (in his belief system) because he knew what damage he had done to the lives of numerous individuals. I told him that I forgave him and that he had nothing to fear in dying, as is my understanding of how the life/death transition works. We made our peace and he asked me to stay and talk to him about my adult life and experiences... what he wanted to hear were my comical tales and misadventures on the road as a truck driver, I had many to tell and he was satiated by them. that day is what I would prefer to remember, unpleasant as it was, although there were a few memorable times in my childhood when he was in a mood to impart important knowledge, they were intermixed with the terror sessions and I would rather not bring those to mind.

The other person I would like to honor with a memory was the love of my life who passed last year. My love, after leaving a spouse I married for business purposes and regretted, was the one but was taken from me in a sad way. We were playing at a friend's 6' deep above ground pool and my love jumped out over the water, about two feet above the surface, curled into a cannonball and went in, sank to bottom, hit their right shoulder on the bottom and suffered a C5 burst paralyzing them for life. That life lasted another 30 years with one medical horror story after another. But my lover loved and respected me to the end, and I them. I never remarried and never really had another serious relationship, now I feel too old for that sort of thing. But I do remember the love and respect after a horrible life devoid of that before we met and I will raise a virtual glass to that wonderful person who taught me the value of love and respect.

>>>

Edited to add: I send you tidings over your family transitions and hope that the better memories are what come to mind first when you are in the remembering frame of mind.


2naSalit

(86,935 posts)
10. I had to edit my post
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 07:05 PM
Dec 2013

because I omitted a toast to our memories of loved ones!

I hope you are well and that daily life endeavors settle down for you soon.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
11. They are
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 07:07 PM
Dec 2013

while people did that beautiful tribute (thanks Malaise) I said I would start this thread.

I figured a virtual Irish wake would be good for all of us.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
15. Comforting words on loss from Shakespeare & A. A. Milne:
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 07:47 PM
Dec 2013


“How lucky I am to have something that makes saying goodbye so hard.”
― A.A. Milne, Winnie-the-Pooh

SONNET 30

When to the sessions of sweet silent thought
I summon up remembrance of things past,
I sigh the lack of many a thing I sought,
And with old woes new wail my dear time's waste:
Then can I drown an eye, unused to flow,
For precious friends hid in death's dateless night,
And weep afresh love's long since cancell'd woe,
And moan the expense of many a vanish'd sight:
Then can I grieve at grievances foregone,
And heavily from woe to woe tell o'er
The sad account of fore-bemoaned moan,
Which I new pay as if not paid before.
But if the while I think on thee, dear friend,
All losses are restored and sorrows end.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
19. Leaves of memory make a mournful rustling in the dark...
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:28 PM
Dec 2013

so I'll add my voice to your wake, bringing up memories of what we've lost. I've been swamped by them this year, mostly the negative ones, and it is just recently that the good ones have come flooding in (probably due to the season, I don't know), so here's a toast to you and yours and what our lives have been.


My Grandma used to speak this from memory...she died 58 yrs ago.

The Fire of Drift-Wood by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

We sat within the farm-house old,
Whose windows, looking o'er the bay,
Gave to the sea-breeze damp and cold,
An easy entrance, night and day.
Not far away we saw the port,
The strange, old-fashioned, silent town,
The lighthouse, the dismantled fort,
The wooden houses, quaint and brown.
We sat and talked until the night,
Descending, filled the little room;
Our faces faded from the sight,
Our voices only broke the gloom.
We spake of many a vanished scene,
Of what we once had thought and said,
Of what had been, and might have been,
And who was changed, and who was dead;
And all that fills the hearts of friends,
When first they feel, with secret pain,
Their lives thenceforth have separate ends,
And never can be one again;
The first slight swerving of the heart,
That words are powerless to express,
And leave it still unsaid in part,
Or say it in too great excess.
The very tones in which we spake
Had something strange, I could but mark;
The leaves of memory seemed to make
A mournful rustling in the dark.
Oft died the words upon our lips,
As suddenly, from out the fire
Built of the wreck of stranded ships,
The flames would leap and then expire.
And, as their splendor flashed and failed,
We thought of wrecks upon the main,
Of ships dismasted, that were hailed
And sent no answer back again.
The windows, rattling in their frames,
The ocean, roaring up the beach,
The gusty blast, the bickering flames,
All mingled vaguely in our speech;
Until they made themselves a part
Of fancies floating through the brain,
The long-lost ventures of the heart,
That send no answers back again.
O flames that glowed! O hearts that yearned!
They were indeed too much akin,
The drift-wood fire without that burned,
The thoughts that burned and glowed within.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
20. It's a weird feeling looking back so many years. My mom died
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:52 PM
Dec 2013

in early Dec 1979. I was 3 at the time. Sometimes I find myself thinking about how hard it must have been for me, for her, and for everybody else. It's like I feel empathy for my younger self, for what she went through, and what the rest of my family went through. Being a toddler, I don't really have any memories of her or of losing her. I just remember all those lonely years after losing her and being sad for most of my life. My dad tells me she was a fiery, stubborn Irish woman. I wish I could have known her and I wish I could have seen her with my kids.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. I am sorry
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:20 PM
Dec 2013

I am lucky and blessed that I have had family till now. And still do.

I am sure that deep in your psyche something of your mom is still around.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
22. Hug...Nadin... Ahh...Families...
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:12 PM
Dec 2013

They are a burden and sometimes a joy for those of us who have extended families.

Things so mixed up these days. Loyalties often are chosen not for family togetherness but but distance in ideology which becomes hurtful.

Sorry for your loss...and thanks for sharing the piecing together of a narrative that brings some of the better into view as you heal.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
23. They are special, and full of contradictions.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:18 PM
Dec 2013

I always tell people, even if you have an obnoxious relative you rarely agree with, find common ground. We sort of did, my brother and I. We managed to connect, just not in the world of politics. He was also very critical of all that was wrong in Mexico (like any other country, it has issues), so one day I got extremely frustrated and asked him why he did not get involved where he might make a difference?

He was surprised at my call to action.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
28. I was off the web mostly
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 11:10 PM
Dec 2013

For two weeks. I was able to put in a total of two hours into my fiction.

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