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babylonsister

(171,035 posts)
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 05:46 PM Dec 2013

Howard Dean Goes Off On Republicans and the Media for Questioning Obama’s Competence

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/01/howard-dean-republicans-media-questioning-obamas-competence.html

Howard Dean Goes Off On Republicans and the Media for Questioning Obama’s Competence
By: Jason Easley
Sunday, December, 1st, 2013, 4:29 pm


After having to listen to Candy Crowley and Rick Santorum question President Obama’s competence, Howard Dean went off and called the whole thing right wing talking point nonsense.

Video at link~

Transcript:

CROWLEY: Senator, I think you have a differing view just because I was watching your reaction as Joe was reporting.

SANTORUM: Yes, this really feeds into the president’s competence. That’s really the question that the people have, is the president competent to do his job? And Obamacare is certainly front and center. What’s going on in the Middle East is another area. There’s a whole group of issues now that people are questioning. And you talk to anybody. I’ve talked — I talked to an insurance — some people in the insurance industry this morning. And they told me that most of the front end may be looking good. People may be able to get on and get responses, but the information coming out the back end to the insurance companies is still garbage. It’s undecipherable. And it’s requiring them to, on a case-by-case basis, actually have someone go — because there’s misinformation, there’s triplicates, there’s husbands labeled as wives. There’s all sorts of problems with the data coming into the insurance companies. So you think you may have signed up, but you may not, because the insurance company may not have the data available to actually put you in the system.

CROWLEY: And Governor, to pick up on sort of the broader point from Senator Santorum. And that is that there has been this unease that has — that started, you know, probably earlier than the launch of the website, but nonetheless has continued.

I want to show you a CNN ORC poll. This is a good track, bad track, how well do you think things are going in the country today question. And right now, 59 percent of the country thinks things are going badly.

Now, that is up from September. It is nine points above April. So there has been this steady deterioration for how people feel about the direction the country’s going. People no longer see President Obama — I think only 40 percent of people see President Obama as able to kind of run the government. Is there that kind of lasting damage? That’s certainly what Senator Santorum is talking about.

DEAN: No, I think there’s no evidence for that at all. Again, I think that’s right-wing talking points against this president. They’ve from day one when he got in there, they tried to undermine him as a human being. And I think that’s, you know, it’s not a tactic that’s good for the country. So my view is —

(CROSSTALK)

CROWLEY: Governor, it’s true you had some — it’s true that you had reservations. You didn’t like this when it first rolled out, right?

DEAN: No, this is — look, this is not from my point of view an ideal plan, but this is what passed the Congress and this is the law. And Romney did the same, something very similar in Massachusetts, and it’s worked very well. So who am I to say that the court — the Supreme Court and the Congress of the United States is wrong all the time? I think we ought to make this thing work. It’s the law. It can work. Mitt Romney proved it did work in Massachusetts, where 98.5 percent of all of Massachusetts citizens have health insurance. I fail to see this has anything to do with the president’s competence, other than the procurement process, which has been screwed up for many years, long before this president ever got into office.

So I lose my patience with this nonsense. And I do believe that the facts are going to be determined by what happens on the ground. And I think three months from now, a lot more people will have health insurance, and a lot more people will be happy with all of this
.


Former Gov. Dean finally said what Democrats should have been saying for weeks. This is all nonsense. Republicans and their media allies need to be called out on it. Candy Crowley was wrong. We do not need to wait and see if the website works when people are on it. The website has been working for weeks with people on it. Between Sunday and Tuesday of last week, 20,000 people signed up.

Only an idiot who hasn’t been paying attention, or completely insulated inside the Beltway lazy journalist wouldn’t know that. The Republicans have managed to trump up the ACA website issues to the same level as their other bogus scandals.

Howard Dean had enough of this nonsense, and he called it out. Democrats out number Republicans in this country, and they to a person should be doing the exact same thing.

It is time to stand up, fight back, and kill this lie.
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Howard Dean Goes Off On Republicans and the Media for Questioning Obama’s Competence (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2013 OP
weakening the commander in chief is particularly dangerous, IMO. grasswire Dec 2013 #1
They've been trying to project Bush's* shortcomings onto Obama since day 1. eom TransitJohn Dec 2013 #2
Exactly. Except they tried to portray Biden as the one who is always making "gaffes" arcane1 Dec 2013 #7
Thank you! Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #20
I agree nikto Dec 2013 #67
George W. Bush was the most incompetent President we've ever had DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2013 #3
YES, YES and YES. QuestForSense Dec 2013 #18
K & R Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #24
I'm pretty put out by all this shit too doctor Dean madokie Dec 2013 #4
It sure is! mimi85 Dec 2013 #65
He has long been one of the most articulate Democrats who is allowed airtime BeyondGeography Dec 2013 #5
i still have my 2004 Dean signs should he run again... The Dr. dionysus Dec 2013 #48
k&r for Dr. Dean. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #6
The Republicans would like to destroy Social Security, too. Enough said. pacalo Dec 2013 #8
Of course, the US rwmediawhore$$$$$ are flailing Cha Dec 2013 #9
What about Republican competence? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #21
Exactly, but the gopropaganda US mediawhore machine aren't Cha Dec 2013 #27
At least we have some more representation Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #32
Here's to the Social Media News- Cha Dec 2013 #38
Here's a kick and a rec for the good Doctor. n/t R. P. McMurphy Dec 2013 #10
K&R for Dr Dean NastyRiffraff Dec 2013 #11
Santorum have the nerve to call Pres O incompetent Iliyah Dec 2013 #12
As Yoda might say: Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #33
Couldn't agree more. nt octoberlib Dec 2013 #13
The definition of incompetence: AlbertCat Dec 2013 #14
No Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #34
No one could have foreseen the plants dying of thirst! AAO Dec 2013 #50
How can you call Condi Rice an incompent... bayareaboy Dec 2013 #64
santorum is a sick man. want to talk incompetence for chrissake spanone Dec 2013 #15
Competence is always refering to a comparision. rustbeltvoice Dec 2013 #16
People-powered Howard still speaks for me! ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #17
+++ mopinko Dec 2013 #29
The GOP is the new KKK 47of74 Dec 2013 #19
It's actually the old KKK The Wizard Dec 2013 #23
Their entire platform is rooted in restoring slavery and the Confederacy. AlbertCat Dec 2013 #42
Like I care The Wizard Dec 2013 #43
I wish the slave states would secede. AlbertCat Dec 2013 #45
AMEN!! The KKK was first implemented to keep blacks from voting Republican, now Republicans are play uponit7771 Dec 2013 #61
dean was horrible hourglass1 Dec 2013 #22
Just watched this below... Ummmm, I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Sorry. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #26
From the transcript -- Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2013 #68
He was good and said the right things. Delivery could have been a little better, but he was GOOD. RBInMaine Dec 2013 #37
Pointing out the president is getting streamrolled? Don't think so. Just because Democrats do not Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #40
Well, we can't have him yell anything.... AlbertCat Dec 2013 #44
You don't sound sorry, you seem pleased, but he wasn't "horrible" at all. MADem Dec 2013 #59
VIDEO: Howard smacks GOP toadies. Rick, go back to World Nut Daily. Candace, adopt a rapist! freshwest Dec 2013 #25
A bunch of hooey!!! dicksmc3 Dec 2013 #28
Yeah Ricky FROTHY, you are so competent aren't you? How did your last TWO elections go? ASSHOLE ! RBInMaine Dec 2013 #30
Well, according to Romney, et. al Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2013 #36
Free stuff like the free stuff a company he did vulture capitalism on received $44M to replace the Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #41
We are in a post truth period Dorn Dec 2013 #31
HOWARD IS AWESOME. He is saying just what EVERY Democrat/Progressive SHOULD be saying NOW ! RBInMaine Dec 2013 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #39
Dean is so far above those two nitwits it's almost embarrassing. mountain grammy Dec 2013 #46
Santorum calling anybody incompetent is really rich Jack Rabbit Dec 2013 #47
Ten years after he was front page material DFW Dec 2013 #49
Take it to 'em Howard! JNelson6563 Dec 2013 #51
LISTEN TO HOWARD DEAN, PEOPLE. He's got the goods on the GOP. Nt Hekate Dec 2013 #52
Howard's Right. Again. TDale313 Dec 2013 #53
Obama, incompetent? Stellar Dec 2013 #54
They never identify The Wizard Dec 2013 #56
this ish still piss me off! Stellar Dec 2013 #62
Does Candy Crowley Not Have A Brain? Seriously. DallasNE Dec 2013 #55
What is the GOP going to call Obamacare when it works? wally baby Dec 2013 #57
RepublicanCare riversedge Dec 2013 #66
There are a small cadre of people--and we see them everywhere, including here--who delight in MADem Dec 2013 #58
It is easier to tear down than build up PowerToThePeople Dec 2013 #60
Maybe if Obama INVADES THE WRONG FUCKING COUNTRY Qutzupalotl Dec 2013 #63

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
1. weakening the commander in chief is particularly dangerous, IMO.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 05:50 PM
Dec 2013

What are they thinking?

Where is their concern for the best interests of the country?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
7. Exactly. Except they tried to portray Biden as the one who is always making "gaffes"
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:03 PM
Dec 2013

They don't do much of that anymore, but it was obvious they were trying to wipe Bush's language-mangling onto Biden.

 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
67. I agree
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 05:19 AM
Dec 2013

For the GOPers, it's just a game of 1-Upmanship, and hitting-back,
reality-be-damned.

The mass-criticism of Dubya evidently hurt their feelings a lot.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
3. George W. Bush was the most incompetent President we've ever had
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 05:50 PM
Dec 2013

Candy Crowley is a sack of paid-for uselessness.
Rick Santorum is a failed piece of shit.


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
24. K & R
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:09 PM
Dec 2013

The GOP is incompetent bunch who praises the likes of George W Bush, I don't know how they can judge Obama as incompetent after Bush. Maybe they do not know the definition of incompetent.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
4. I'm pretty put out by all this shit too doctor Dean
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 05:52 PM
Dec 2013

From day one the republiCONs have been undermining this President. Its past time to start calling them out on it too.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
65. It sure is!
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:21 PM
Dec 2013

Damn, if the President used the wrong kind of toilet paper, they'd come unglued. I'm sick and tired of him getting blamed for everything. Rainy day? Well, we know whose fault THAT is. What a bunch of shit sandwiches!

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
5. He has long been one of the most articulate Democrats who is allowed airtime
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 05:54 PM
Dec 2013

Very sure-footed; scores his points quickly and effectively, in the New York City manner.

Cha

(296,861 posts)
9. Of course, the US rwmediawhore$$$$$ are flailing
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:30 PM
Dec 2013

for any purchase they can make on "the President's competence".. when they should be muttering aloud about their own fooking COMPETENCE!!

Mediawhore$$$ are a dime a dozen.. the boring chattering empty headed assholes.

Thanks Dean for showing those Dems how to react.. the ones who were running like scared little pos rabbits.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
21. What about Republican competence?
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:06 PM
Dec 2013

What have they achieved since 2001? What have they done since Obama was elected President? We need to start calling THEM out on THEIR competence (lack thereof)

Cha

(296,861 posts)
27. Exactly, but the gopropaganda US mediawhore machine aren't
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:17 PM
Dec 2013

calling themselves out.

Thank goodness for shows like Rachel, Rev Al, and L'OD.. can't forget Jon Stewert and Steve Colbert!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
32. At least we have some more representation
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:57 PM
Dec 2013

and, frankly, more and more people are getting their news from lots of different sources nowadays, which is only going to help us win in the end.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
12. Santorum have the nerve to call Pres O incompetent
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:55 PM
Dec 2013

LOL LOL LOL

No wonder CNN is losing its viewers, ugh.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
33. As Yoda might say:
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:59 PM
Dec 2013

"Competence? What know he of competence? My own counsel I will keep about who is competent."

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
14. The definition of incompetence:
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

Condi Rice
Donald Rumsfeld
Richard Pearl
John Bolton
Paul Wolfowitz
John Yoo
John Ashcroft
Dick Cheney
Dubya Bush







P.S. Would you ask any of these people to water your plants while you were on vacation?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
34. No
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:02 PM
Dec 2013

Condi: "I had no idea that they would die if I didn't water them everyday!"
Neocons/Bush/Cheney: "Those plants have WMDs and will kill all of us unless we invade your house and destroy them now!"

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
64. How can you call Condi Rice an incompent...
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:16 PM
Dec 2013

I mean she has her name in great big letters on the tail end of a Standard Oil Tanker!

spanone

(135,795 posts)
15. santorum is a sick man. want to talk incompetence for chrissake
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 07:02 PM
Dec 2013

and she's a partisan hack.

he's THE FUCKING PRESIDENT.

rustbeltvoice

(429 posts)
16. Competence is always refering to a comparision.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 07:08 PM
Dec 2013

We have had in the last few years a twice legally elected president by two majorities of the electorate. We did not have that immediately previous to him. Now, in the persons of Barack Obama and georgebushjr, the entire world outside of the Republican party in the United States will say, "Yes, Obama is the competent one". Now, the Republican partisans pretty much acknowledge that too; but they are loathe to say so, and they are mendacious to begin with. One trouble with professional Democrats is their public courage is lacking.

"Competence?, competence!, you thrust george junior on the world for eight years; you care nothing at all about competence. You care only for control". Their noses need to be shoved into bushjr constantly? What, did those eight years of the busheviks disappear from history. The despicable Dick Cheney will not shut up, and when was he correct on anything?

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
23. It's actually the old KKK
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:08 PM
Dec 2013

in a cheap disguise, be it a teabag festooned tri-cornered hat or a business suit. Their entire platform is rooted in restoring slavery and the Confederacy.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
42. Their entire platform is rooted in restoring slavery and the Confederacy.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 10:35 PM
Dec 2013

How is AZ, AK, SD, ND, OK, WI, MI, NJ, PA..... rooted in restoring the Confederacy?

Bigotry is not a Southern exclusive, y'know.

If you think the South is the problem, you're not paying attention.



The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
43. Like I care
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 10:38 PM
Dec 2013

about some red neck crackpots. I wish the slave states would secede. Civil War reconstruction should have ended 100 years ago.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
45. I wish the slave states would secede.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 10:42 PM
Dec 2013

You'd still have plenty of bigots to deal with, Dear.

Like those who are bigoted against the South... you for instance.


I suppose you think the Kochs are from the South. They're from KS. How about the West secede?

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
61. AMEN!! The KKK was first implemented to keep blacks from voting Republican, now Republicans are play
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 11:47 AM
Dec 2013

...playing the new role of the KKK to keep all people of color for voting in the first place

hourglass1

(175 posts)
22. dean was horrible
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:07 PM
Dec 2013

i am sorry all - but i saw this and dean looked horrible ... there was steamed but polite dr. dean stopping in mid-sentence every time candy or sanctimonious cleared their throats ... why do democrats always allow themselves to get steamrolled in interviews?

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
26. Just watched this below... Ummmm, I'm not seeing what you're seeing. Sorry.
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:14 PM
Dec 2013

But that was a valiant effort. Next time, use caps!

I thought it was amazing how Dean kept drawing lines to RomneyCare in Massachusetts.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
68. From the transcript --
Wed Dec 4, 2013, 09:03 AM
Dec 2013
Mitt Romney proved it did work in Massachusetts


Whose side is Dean on? I know his intent but he made this point more than once and it comes off sounding like we should have hired Romney to oversee implementation of the ACA.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
40. Pointing out the president is getting streamrolled? Don't think so. Just because Democrats do not
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:42 PM
Dec 2013

Give typical RW talking points does not make a steam roll.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
44. Well, we can't have him yell anything....
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 10:40 PM
Dec 2013

.... like a Repug would do. They'll call him unhinged..... again.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
59. You don't sound sorry, you seem pleased, but he wasn't "horrible" at all.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:57 AM
Dec 2013

He was Howard, he was SUPERB, and he told it like it is. And you do know, the video is there for us all to see? "I lose my patience with this nonsense" isn't getting steamrollered--it's a hearty "FU, Santorum, and those of your ilk."



This is how it came out to me:

Santorum: Smarmy, smarmy lies and bullshit...

Candy: Smarmy, smarmy insinuation and negativity...

Howard: Fuck y'all. You're a bunch of lying bullshitters, get real, get over it, and grow the fuck up. You aren't going to get your way, no matter how much you try to whine about it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
25. VIDEO: Howard smacks GOP toadies. Rick, go back to World Nut Daily. Candace, adopt a rapist!
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:10 PM
Dec 2013


STHU, GOPigs.


dicksmc3

(262 posts)
28. A bunch of hooey!!!
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:20 PM
Dec 2013

What a bunch of hooey spread by the clowns in the Teapublican party!! Sanitarium is probably the biggest clown in the whole circus!!
Yesterday was the deadline to meet the expectations that the website would be running really well with fewer problems and waiting periods. That's happening now. So, Apparantly something is going well with the website because I HAVEN'T NOTICED ONE MEDIA ASSHOLE TALK ABOUT THE FAILURES ANYMORE!!! So, Here it is December the first and not one peep from these buttheads!!!

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,396 posts)
36. Well, according to Romney, et. al
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:06 PM
Dec 2013

he lost because he didn't offer enough people enough "free stuff".

Of course, Romney was offering.............um...........what????? I still have no clue about what he would have done or what he hoped to accomplish if elected- other than the fact that he wouldn't have been Barack Obama.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
41. Free stuff like the free stuff a company he did vulture capitalism on received $44M to replace the
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 09:50 PM
Dec 2013

Pension fund he raided.

Dorn

(523 posts)
31. We are in a post truth period
Sun Dec 1, 2013, 08:43 PM
Dec 2013

Lie enough times and people will believe it. When I was a kid I can't tell you how many times I heard

"Winston tastes good like a cigarette should"
and like that lie the whole conservative mantra that the ACA is a bad idea implemented badly is like Winstons -- crap.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
47. Santorum calling anybody incompetent is really rich
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 12:07 AM
Dec 2013

C'mon. I can't take anything that rich just two days after Thanksgiving.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
49. Ten years after he was front page material
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 01:13 AM
Dec 2013

Howard STILL says it better, clearer and more concisely than ANYBODY, and isn't afraid to, either.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
54. Obama, incompetent?
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 03:55 AM
Dec 2013

Yet they are the party of TeaBaggers, competing on who is the most conservative, or the biggest...Nut-jobs... the party of the crazy.

In other words, anyone that doesn't act the way that they do must be incompetent.

The Wizard

(12,536 posts)
56. They never identify
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 09:59 AM
Dec 2013

where the incompetence is located. It's just a broad brush, cheap generalization used by propagandists and Republican partisans. Candy tried to save Romney from embarrassing himself in the debates but the damage was already done. That CNN air staff is primarily propagandists for the GOP. They just use Pox News blatant propaganda for cover.
They tipped their hand during the Clinton witch hunt in 98 and really showed who they were in the 2000 presidential campaign when they embraced the Al Gore is a serial liar meme and again in 2004 when they repeatedly aired the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads as news.
Pox News in a baseball hat and sun glasses cheap disguise. Is it any wonder their ratings have tanked?

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
55. Does Candy Crowley Not Have A Brain? Seriously.
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 04:14 AM
Dec 2013

The month Obama came into office this country shed 813,000 jobs, making this the most severe downturn since the Great Depression. By the middle of 2009 the recession had ended (although lack of cooperation from Republicans has made the recovery sluggish). He ended the war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan is rapidly coming to an end. He passed a signature health care law that is already showing great dividends and health care costs are going up at their slowest rate in 50 years. He has cut the annual government deficit in half. He got the Lilly Ledbetter equal pay law passed. He has the country headed in the right direction. So show me where this alleged incompetence is showing. Governor Dean was right to get up on his high horse when faced with the garbage coming from Santorum and left unchallenged by Candy Crowley. They had it coming.

wally baby

(17 posts)
57. What is the GOP going to call Obamacare when it works?
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:13 AM
Dec 2013

Once all the bugs are out, they'll have to rename it, right?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. There are a small cadre of people--and we see them everywhere, including here--who delight in
Mon Dec 2, 2013, 10:45 AM
Dec 2013

inventing fantasies of discord.

They're clumsily trying to divide and conquer. They love to shitfling at POTUS. They are relentless, shameless, and they'll happily put the truth on hold to serve their ends:

They’ve from day one when he got in there, they tried to undermine him as a human being.



Tell it like it is, Howard!!!!
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