Streaming Now - Intelegence Debate - 2nd Ammendment

[otohara]

http://www.ammoland.com/2013/11/constitutional-right-to-bear-arms-has-outlived-its-usefulness/#axzz2kfTZohQF

New York, NY - -(Ammoland.com)- Award-winning NPR series Intelligence Squared U.S. (IQ2US)— the Oxford style debates championing the art of debate and intelligent discussion—will take up one of America’s most hotly contested and timely issues with a panel of some of academia’s top thinkers on November 14th 2013 with “The Constitutional Right to Bear Arms Has Outlived Its Usefulness.”

Recent mass shooting tragedies have renewed the national debate over the 2nd Amendment. Gun ownership and homicide rates are higher in the U.S. than in any other developed nation, but gun violence has decreased over the last two decades even as gun ownership may be increasing. Over 200 years have passed since James Madison introduced the Bill of Rights. The country has changed and so have its guns.

Is the right to bear arms now at odds with the common good, or is it as necessary today as it was in 1789?

Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz with University of Texas Law and Government Professor Sanford Levinson will argue for the motion. David Kopel, Research Director of the Independence Institute and Associate Policy Analyst with the Cato Institute will argue against the motion with UCLA Law Professor, Eugene Volokh.

WHAT: Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates “The Constitutional Right to Bear Arms Has Outlived Its Usefulness”
WHEN: Thursday, November 14, 2013 / Reception 5:45-6:30 / Debate 6:45-8:30 PM
WHERE: Kaufman Center/129 W. 67th Street (bet. Broadway and Amsterdam)/New York, NY 10023
TICKETS: $40 ($12 for students w/ ID). To purchase, visit http://www.intelligencesquaredus.org/

The debate will take place in front of a live audience at Kaufman Center in New York City. Before the debate, audience members will vote on the motion; afterward, the audience votes again. The team that moves the most voters to its side will be the winning team in this provocative debate.

ABOUT INTELLIGENCE SQUARED DEBATES (IQ2US)
Winner of the 2013 Silver Radio Award for Best Public Affairs Program and named one of “Five Podcasts that Will Change the Way You Think” by Forbes Intelligence Squared U.S. was founded in New York City in 2006 by Robert Rosenkranz, and has grown into an internationally syndicated series heard and watched by millions. The debates have attracted some of the world’s top thinkers including Paul Krugman, Karl Rove, Malcolm Gladwell, Alan Dershowitz, Peter Thiel and Arianna Huffington. Intelligence Squared U.S. has presented 80 debates on a wide range of provocative topics including global warming, genetically engineered babies, science refuting God, and legalizing drugs. Author and ABC News correspondent John Donvan has moderated IQ2US since 2008. The executive producer is Dana Wolfe.

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[otohara]

1. There Are 300 Million Guns

that aren't going anywhere.

They are here to stay... because they have the guns.

[Hoyt]

3. Doing nothing for another decade will make it 400 million. Sooner or later, have to bite bullet and

adopt laws like those tough Australians did in 1996.

[otohara]

4. How Many Gun Deaths Are Acceptable?

I think the sky is the limit here for another couple of decades.

This is pretty interesting - good debate.

[Hoyt]

5. As long as gun cultists can carry a pistol in public and have unlimited number of AR15s, etc.,

gun deaths don't really matter. They are price we pay to keep those steeped in gunz happy.

[krispos42]

7. And that why gun owners fight gun control tooth and nail

They know, and I know, that when you support at all political costs ineffective and intrusive gun-control laws, what your side is doing is trying to is:

a) wage a culture war by discouraging gun ownership through social pressures;

b) wage a legal war by exploring the very limits of this particular right and using government pressure discourage gun ownership;

c) acclimate people to the idea of arbitrary bans on some styles of guns so that future restrictions go unchallenged;

d) form a database of all guns, and their owners

e) with nationwide bans in effect and informatoin, collect and destroy weapons of styles that have been declared illegal


Australia's government confiscated and destroyed vast quantities of guns that were declared illegal to own. Not just sales of new guns that were outlawed, not just preventing the transfer of currently-owned guns that have been declared illegal, but actively hunting down the owners of the now-illegal guns and seizing them for destruction.

That's what you personally want, and when you support any gun law you want it to be the next step towards the government confiscating and scrabbing pretty much all the privately-owned guns in the country.

You don't care if a law is ineffective, you just want it passed to it can be the foundation for the next step in the process of seeing AR-15s and Glocks being bulldozed into massive furnaces and melted down into soda cans and paper clips.

[Hoyt]

8. Whew, sounds so dreary. Like reading Atlas Shrugged or something.

Your nightmare of loosing your gunz, seems to horrify you.

[krispos42]

9. I notice you don't deny anything.

Of course, because it's a right that you approve of being neutralized, you really don't care about the means or methods, do you?

[Hoyt]

10. I do not love your gunz or care about your irrational attachment to them.

It's really that simple. They need to go. Keep one at home if you can't live without them, but the others negatively impact our society. It's not wott the cost. If you were truly responsible, you'd be encouraging gun cultists to give them/it up.

[otohara]

2. Alan Dershowitz Rocked It

got the most applause..

[krispos42]

6. Then repeal and replace the 2nd Amendment

State explicitly that gun ownership is a privilege controlled and extended by the State governments at their sole discretion, under any conditions and costs they see fit to impose.

[K.O. Stradivarius]

11. "With the common good" - easily the most frightening political and social agenda I can think of

"For the common good", is one of the most vile, obscene and abused political and social monstrosities ever conceived.

The "common good" is all dependent on whom is in charge, their political aspirations and the populaces willingness to accept compliance all in the name of "the common good"

Think about it.