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Look I hate Lindsey Graham as much as anyone here, (Original Post) redstatebluegirl Feb 2021 OP
Agree. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #1
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #31
What's behind the 180 IS important. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2021 #34
Also, Graham has a very anti-gay voting record SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #51
Even if he's gay, it's not cool to use gender based slurs DesertRat Feb 2021 #73
Allegedly, "Lady G." was what his prostitutes called him. nt Gore1FL Feb 2021 #79
I remember reading that rumor on twitter DesertRat Feb 2021 #85
I concur. Just answering the question posed. nt Gore1FL Feb 2021 #95
Thanks DesertRat Feb 2021 #128
That name is a "rumor". Anyone can make up anything and spread it around. LeftInTX Feb 2021 #89
I used the word "allegedly" when answering the question for that very reason. nt Gore1FL Feb 2021 #97
How do you feel about fat shaming Trump? BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #115
Good question. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #148
Wow, never heard that story. (n/m) BradAllison Feb 2021 #166
His "sexuality" has not caused him to do anything. cwydro Feb 2021 #59
I think the poster is saying that ... Whiskeytide Feb 2021 #121
It's not unique to Graham Shermanator Feb 2021 #72
Bingo and a hardy, hardy welcome!!! marble falls Feb 2021 #127
Good first post. ooky Feb 2021 #129
Thank you. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #145
"his sexuality MAY BE a national security risk" -- wtf? fishwax Feb 2021 #75
Exactly DesertRat Feb 2021 #88
AZ8theist JGug1 Feb 2021 #99
This is the 21st Century LeftInTX Feb 2021 #112
Agree. My Pet Orangutan Feb 2021 #2
yuk bdamomma Feb 2021 #19
I'm interested in it to the extent that it exposes her hypocrisy. BlueStater Feb 2021 #24
+100 Absolutely. bronxiteforever Feb 2021 #54
I don't see what extra-martial sex has to do with transphobia. My Pet Orangutan Feb 2021 #111
I can see you don't. You apparently think that a lawmaker bronxiteforever Feb 2021 #130
I'll rephrase the question - if someone is bigoted, should they be outed? My Pet Orangutan Feb 2021 #144
I'm interested (shudder) only because Oldem Feb 2021 #57
Damn it! I thought I was settling in for a good chunk of Sunday morning, BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #80
However, I keep saying MTG LeftInTX Feb 2021 #93
At least get his name right, and the nickname. OnDoutside Feb 2021 #3
So if it were correct it is ok? redstatebluegirl Feb 2021 #6
Whoosh. OnDoutside Feb 2021 #7
I'm surprised by it being allowed on a progressive site jimfields33 Feb 2021 #4
Me too. cwydro Feb 2021 #10
It's sad really jimfields33 Feb 2021 #11
The popcorn emojis bother me Sympthsical Feb 2021 #28
Well said, it's unfortunate that your post was so necessary Cozmo Feb 2021 #33
So true. cwydro Feb 2021 #64
Thank you. Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #81
I thought DownriverDem Feb 2021 #36
+1000 paleotn Feb 2021 #39
Progressive exclusively? paleotn Feb 2021 #40
His point is that homophobic slurs Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #60
DUers are better than this. Words can hurt, don't do it Cozmo Feb 2021 #92
I get the point. Side question. paleotn Feb 2021 #135
Yep. Iggo Feb 2021 #77
There's a fair bit of unrealized racism and homophobia on DU. intheflow Feb 2021 #165
A total shame. jimfields33 Feb 2021 #169
Yes! Peacetrain Feb 2021 #5
I still wonder what Trump and Putin have on him... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2021 #8
I think bdamomma Feb 2021 #20
Or he's up to his elbows The Wizard Feb 2021 #82
Absolutely nothing Blue_Adept Feb 2021 #74
I wonder DENVERPOPS Feb 2021 #122
Agreed nt Tree-Hugger Feb 2021 #9
Agree. nt Hortensis Feb 2021 #12
Some people really do want it to be okay to use slurs. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #13
It's taking a page from the trump playbook DesertRat Feb 2021 #83
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #14
Agreed - the blatant hypocracy might well be at issue. SheltieLover Feb 2021 #16
While I agree with most you say..... BigOleDummy Feb 2021 #42
THIS KPN Feb 2021 #44
So - I take it you have had a conversation with him in which he has disclosed Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #86
I chose my words precisely and carefully ... mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #90
"Likely" doesn't make the post any less offensive. n/t Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #117
Agree 100% VickiSmith Feb 2021 #15
Agree.... but suppose he votes hypocritically on personal sexual issues Rustyeye77 Feb 2021 #17
That is about his policy not his sexual orientation. redstatebluegirl Feb 2021 #21
Yes, using homophobic slurs is definitely okay in that case. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #47
He had a strong anti-gay voting record SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #53
That's why he doesn't deserve the consideration or the compassion BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #118
Very true. How about his color? judesedit Feb 2021 #18
His color is irrelevant. His racism IS relevent. redstatebluegirl Feb 2021 #25
Good point. I have not heard him say anything racist, but I'm judesedit Feb 2021 #52
His political mentor SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #58
Isn't Thurmond the hypocrite who was demeaning to poc while having a judesedit Feb 2021 #63
Not a mistress SCantiGOP Feb 2021 #66
Wow! Guilt finally got him. judesedit Feb 2021 #141
Graham makes my skin crawl. But it's because he is an Old South White Supremicist. Tommymac Feb 2021 #22
I never use any names of that manner mvd Feb 2021 #23
I know a number of gay people who say the same about him. Chicago1980 Feb 2021 #26
Gay people can do that. cwydro Feb 2021 #67
I'm gay, I have learned... Chicago1980 Feb 2021 #69
Wow. Name calling? cwydro Feb 2021 #70
No, would have said dumb ass if I wanted to name call... Chicago1980 Feb 2021 #153
That doesn't excuse the misogyny... tonedevil Feb 2021 #78
Thank you. cwydro Feb 2021 #102
This. Exactly this. MontanaMama Feb 2021 #124
However, it doesn't make it true LeftInTX Feb 2021 #103
And a number of Black people use the term n***** Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #131
Yes we do... Chicago1980 Feb 2021 #152
Let's also stop the sexist safeinOhio Feb 2021 #27
yep. Totally agree. SlogginThroughIt Feb 2021 #120
There are enough adjectives and monikers without using homophobic slurs MLAA Feb 2021 #29
Complete asshole! redstatebluegirl Feb 2021 #30
Hypocrisy matters! gibraltar72 Feb 2021 #32
BUT LG is such a hater on Gay rights..... flying_wahini Feb 2021 #35
Using homophobic slurs to expose hypocrisy on an ostensibly Democratic message board seems a little, WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #49
Exactly! One could just call him a hypocrite. femmedem Feb 2021 #61
Yes, so does the use of gender slurs on conservative and whathehell Feb 2021 #163
THat can be done without resorting to offensive, homophibic slurs. No? KPN Feb 2021 #50
Nope. cwydro Feb 2021 #68
I like a term I heard yesterday, for Lindsey;... JoeOtterbein Feb 2021 #37
I'm so stealing that. MontanaMama Feb 2021 #125
So now it's okay to fat-shame people? NurseJackie Feb 2021 #168
I am using edhopper Feb 2021 #38
That works, so does asshole Lindsey. redstatebluegirl Feb 2021 #41
Agreed. Let's not be homophobic. Or sexist. n/t KatK Feb 2021 #43
No lady would act the way that dried up turd acts. nt yaesu Feb 2021 #45
I think of him more as a flailing alcoholic Generic Brad Feb 2021 #46
Something isn't right with him LeftInTX Feb 2021 #109
OK. OK. It's wrong. Let's stop it. RVN VET71 Feb 2021 #48
"you had better be ready for a dose of you own god damned medicine." WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #56
I think of the attacks on Graham not as oppression RVN VET71 Feb 2021 #158
I wasn't saying calling him slurs is oppressing him. Doing so perpetuates a system of oppression WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2021 #159
Yes. We agree. RVN VET71 Feb 2021 #160
It actually have a lot to do with it to me... BadGimp Feb 2021 #55
And the rest of us are just collateral damage? Boomer Feb 2021 #114
I've been fighting to make this point and I will not stop! Thanks for your OP!!! marble falls Feb 2021 #62
His fascism and lying hypocritical destruction of the constitution is what matters. lark Feb 2021 #65
Well said, thank you! DesertRat Feb 2021 #71
He's a horrible guy but his orientation should be off limits. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2021 #76
Judge him on his character, TNNurse Feb 2021 #84
Yeah we get it. tavernier Feb 2021 #87
Absolutely. Iggo Feb 2021 #106
Thank you. K&R crickets Feb 2021 #91
People usually seem to forget that those slurs are wildly sexist as well. Squinch Feb 2021 #94
Actually matt819 Feb 2021 #96
Graham's Sexuality JGug1 Feb 2021 #98
I call Lindsey VA_Jill Feb 2021 #101
Bottom line..... Chipper Chat Feb 2021 #104
+?1 n/t FreeState Feb 2021 #149
Can we call him the esteemed Senator from SC who has anal moles that he Autumn Feb 2021 #105
Seriously? cwydro Feb 2021 #134
Lot of people have moles, nothing to do with sexual orientation. I had one on my shoulder but Autumn Feb 2021 #136
I have no idea what you're talking about. cwydro Feb 2021 #137
If you have no idea what I'm talking about why the ...Seriously? Wow.? Autumn Feb 2021 #138
Whoosh. nt cwydro Feb 2021 #139
Whatever. nt Autumn Feb 2021 #140
You should see what he gets called at Joe.My.God. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2021 #107
Oh dear! Oh dear me! That's... something, isn't it? NurseJackie Feb 2021 #167
I'll just enjoy the snark coming from Teh Gays I follow then. maxsolomon Feb 2021 #108
Lindsey Graham is a FUCKING LIAR! OMGWTF Feb 2021 #110
Okay? BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #113
he is an enigma for sure... samnsara Feb 2021 #116
Agree. Just saw SNL from last night. Kate McKinnon Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #119
She's good. That made me laugh! NurseJackie Feb 2021 #146
Yes she is! Just didn't get the quirky gestures. Hate the MF Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2021 #147
I'm not fond of the name calling in general here. It's childish and we can do better. n/t Akoto Feb 2021 #123
It is not what one perceive Graham to be, it is the perception. Smackdown2019 Feb 2021 #126
You laid it out well. But the hypocrisy is highly likely. That deserves condemnation, if true. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2021 #164
Oh, lord. NurseJackie Feb 2021 #132
Does the subject not please... tonedevil Feb 2021 #142
I agree MustLoveBeagles Feb 2021 #133
Totally agree. nt Raine Feb 2021 #143
Neither am I.. it's ridiculously Cha Feb 2021 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author ecstatic Feb 2021 #151
Strongly agreed. Mike Niendorff Feb 2021 #154
Lindsey deserves how people think of him. pwb Feb 2021 #155
No you don't hate lindsay graham as much as I do. mdbl Feb 2021 #156
Agree bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #157
OK, I agree... lonely bird Feb 2021 #161
I understand and agree that homophobic comments are wrong, I just had a different interpretation wcollar Feb 2021 #162

Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
51. Also, Graham has a very anti-gay voting record
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:15 PM
Feb 2021

S.C. Dems have discussed over the years whether to use Lindsey’s well-known closeted status during elections, and the decision has always been to take the high road.
But talk to anyone in the state, on either side of the divide, and this issue is known to everyone.

The first time he ran for Senate (for the seat that had been held by his hero and mentor Strom Thurmond) he had a pamphlet titled “Family Values.”
It had a typical picture on the front of his family: Lindsey and his wife and two kids. It was technically his Family, since it was his sister and her two children, with her husband conveniently off camera.
If he is going to pull this kind of dishonest bullshit, I’m not sure anything about him should be off-limits.

All of this being said, I still come down on the side of not making his sexual status a campaign issue, and we didn’t bring it up in the most recent election.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
73. Even if he's gay, it's not cool to use gender based slurs
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:39 PM
Feb 2021

Why do people try to insult him by calling him "Lady"? Just call him what he is, a HYPOCRITE

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
85. I remember reading that rumor on twitter
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:54 PM
Feb 2021

I think it's still not cool to use the alleged nickname on DU.

LeftInTX

(25,437 posts)
89. That name is a "rumor". Anyone can make up anything and spread it around.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:00 PM
Feb 2021

There is no evidence that Lindsey has ever used it.


Whiskeytide

(4,461 posts)
121. I think the poster is saying that ...
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:46 PM
Feb 2021

... his sexuality is an appropriate topic of discussion if it is being used to blackmail him. The silly name calling isn’t cool (and I say that as someone who used it some early on before I thought better of it), but it’s beside the point. His sexuality is - unfortunately - relevant to a discussion of his politics.

I don’t care if Graham is gay. No one should. But I DO care that he is doing evil shit to the American people and our democracy because HE is afraid it will come out somehow.

Shermanator

(36 posts)
72. It's not unique to Graham
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:38 PM
Feb 2021

It's detrimental to a republican politician's career to not support Trump because Trump controls the party. That's why many of them have done a complete 180 on Trump. You don't know anything about Graham's sexuality. You're making assumptions about it and concocting conspiracy theories about Russian blackmail. Graham is a worm. There's something we know about him. Attack him for that instead of what you perceive his sexuality to be.

fishwax

(29,149 posts)
75. "his sexuality MAY BE a national security risk" -- wtf?
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:41 PM
Feb 2021

No. His sexuality is not a national security risk. His dishonesty and cowardice may well be. But in no world is his sexuality the problem.

The stunning turnaround of his views on trump may be a result of Russian kompromat, I don't know. They may also be just indicative of his lack of real moral conviction and his fondness for power.

LeftInTX

(25,437 posts)
112. This is the 21st Century
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:31 PM
Feb 2021

If Graham has done anything illegal, it will not be because he is gay or straight.

Being gay is not illegal.

Sure it could hurt a bit with his base in SC, but the odds are, Graham could just say, "I'm gay, so what, it's really nobody's business" and would be re-elected again. I don't think voters care that much..

No one but Lindsey knows if he is straight or gay...
Or at least no one on DU knows....

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
24. I'm interested in it to the extent that it exposes her hypocrisy.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:36 PM
Feb 2021

She’s one of those revolting “family values” breed of Republicans.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,288 posts)
111. I don't see what extra-martial sex has to do with transphobia.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:30 PM
Feb 2021

If someone is bigoted, their sex life should be an open book?

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
130. I can see you don't. You apparently think that a lawmaker
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 03:23 PM
Feb 2021

is “just someone”.
Is a US Representative just someone like you hairdresser or car mechanic? I don’t think so. I think a federal lawmaker is someone much more powerful than a regular person. They control the US purse and make laws that impact all American lives.

I do understand that there are people who would defend the sexual privacy of an anti Semitic, violence inciting, homophobic us lawmaker who was a major believer in the theory that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring and that the Parkland shooting was a “false flag” with crisis actors not dead kids. Indeed the Q conspiracy is all about sexual conspiracies. She stalked David Hogg and trans people.
I know what she is and I don’t give a rat’s tuckus about defending her privacy at all. I know what she would do with her power. She already told us.

My Pet Orangutan

(9,288 posts)
144. I'll rephrase the question - if someone is bigoted, should they be outed?
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 08:09 PM
Feb 2021

It's the same question - should their sex lives be an open book - no privacy whatsoever - if they are closeted - outed. That is what the OP is about after all.

Oldem

(833 posts)
57. I'm interested (shudder) only because
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:22 PM
Feb 2021

she has three children. Usually, the leaf doesn't fall far from the tree, and I pale to think of three more MTGs. Of course, there are exceptions: Ron Reagan, for instance. Still....

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
80. Damn it! I thought I was settling in for a good chunk of Sunday morning,
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:50 PM
Feb 2021

culminating, as always with LOLCATS.

Now I feel queasy. That the word begins with a "Q" is pretty appropriate.

LeftInTX

(25,437 posts)
93. However, I keep saying MTG
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:02 PM
Feb 2021

Should fly to Mar A Lago and through herself at Trump.

I would like to see her get rejected!

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
10. Me too.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:18 PM
Feb 2021

but I've seen that "nickname" as recently as today.

4th grade humor and it speaks volumes about those using it.

Sympthsical

(9,085 posts)
28. The popcorn emojis bother me
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:41 PM
Feb 2021

Instead of being an ally and speaking up, some people seem to think it's entertaining. "Oooh, the gays are gonna get pissed! This is going to be great!"

Yeah. Glad we amuse you. It's honestly why I wake up in the morning. "What homophobia can I react to today so a straight person is entertained?"

Or they could, you know, say something. A simple, "Please don't do that. LGBT people here have said they don't like it. Thanks."

I've stayed out of those threads. Too much effort. The whole, "My friend, son, third-cousin-but-only-on-Wednesdays, etc. said it's ok, so it's ok!" has to be my least favorite. My partner is Filipino and best friend black. Lemme go ask them permission to use anti Asian and Black slurs. I'll then come back here and start dropping them. Hey, they said it's ok!

Somehow don't think the reactions will be the same.

Ms. Toad

(34,080 posts)
81. Thank you.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:50 PM
Feb 2021

When I have the energy, I join them - because remaining silent while homophobid/tranhostile/sexist name calling goes on condones it in the same way we accused Republicans who remained silent of condoning Trump.

BUT it is exhausing. And increasingly there are times that I just have to close my eyes. It's time for more allies to step up and carry the weight of this work.

DownriverDem

(6,230 posts)
36. I thought
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:52 PM
Feb 2021

this was a Democratic Party site. Progressives are a welcomed part of the Democratic Party, right?

Turin_C3PO

(14,016 posts)
60. His point is that homophobic slurs
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:25 PM
Feb 2021

shouldn’t be used on this site whether we call ourselves Democrats, progressives, or both, homophobia has no place here.

Iggo

(47,561 posts)
77. Yep.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:44 PM
Feb 2021

It’s not appropriate to gay bash just because you don’t like the gay person in question.

It’s really that simple.

Just stop being assholes.

intheflow

(28,484 posts)
165. There's a fair bit of unrealized racism and homophobia on DU.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 11:37 AM
Feb 2021

It's in US culture and so of course it sometimes manifests itself here.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,786 posts)
8. I still wonder what Trump and Putin have on him...
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:16 PM
Feb 2021

To turn Lindsey Graham from Trump critic to Trump ass-kisser and chief defender.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
74. Absolutely nothing
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:40 PM
Feb 2021

He's just drawn to power. It's why he was aligned with McCain for so long. He just clings to whatever power base he can.

It's really that simple.

DENVERPOPS

(8,843 posts)
122. I wonder
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:48 PM
Feb 2021

if this complete and total allegiance of Trump by most of these Republican Senators doesn't have something to do with:

Trump/Epstein/Maxwell.................

Putin has been collecting Kompromat on Trump since the 90's, I'm sure he is not the only one.................

Most people have known about Graham's personal life for some time and could care less.

Whatever Trump showed Graham on that now nefarious "weekend meeting" scared the living shit out of Graham......and it was far beyond that Graham was gay...............

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
83. It's taking a page from the trump playbook
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:51 PM
Feb 2021

Name calling, personal insults and slurs shouldn't be part of the dialogue.

Response to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
42. While I agree with most you say.....
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:57 PM
Feb 2021

It can be said in a more tolerant manner imo. Why not, "I wonder if they have pictures of him with a male escort" Instead of "Lady Lindsey"?

Ms. Toad

(34,080 posts)
86. So - I take it you have had a conversation with him in which he has disclosed
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:56 PM
Feb 2021

his sexual orientation?

Otherwise, you don't know his sexual orientation. EVEN if you had ironclad proof that he has had sex with male sex workers, that no more proves he is gay than the fact that a whole lot of gay men married and had sex with women proves they were straight or bisexual.

Only Graham, himself, can determine his sexual orientation - and as far as I know he hasn't shared it.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
90. I chose my words precisely and carefully ...
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:00 PM
Feb 2021

And I don't think you read them precisely and carefully, all due respect

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #100)

VickiSmith

(32 posts)
15. Agree 100%
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:24 PM
Feb 2021

there are so many other ways to describe him! Have you seen the video of him describing Joe Biden as "the best man God created"? He constantly flip flops back and forth.

 

Rustyeye77

(2,736 posts)
17. Agree.... but suppose he votes hypocritically on personal sexual issues
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:29 PM
Feb 2021

Such as gays or transsexuals in the military ?

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
53. He had a strong anti-gay voting record
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:20 PM
Feb 2021

Which is typical of closeted people who are trying to keep their status hidden to their right wing constituency.

judesedit

(4,440 posts)
52. Good point. I have not heard him say anything racist, but I'm
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:16 PM
Feb 2021

sure his votes could signify that. I'll be looking for that. I am not defending people who are using the homophobic slurs. There's been so much legal stuff lately and it can be very confusing. I am very grateful for the knowledgeable people on this site explaining things.

I do remember Graham saying something like black people can go anywhere in the south if they are conservative.

judesedit

(4,440 posts)
63. Isn't Thurmond the hypocrite who was demeaning to poc while having a
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:28 PM
Feb 2021

mistress who was a poc, and who bore him a daughter?

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
66. Not a mistress
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:32 PM
Feb 2021

but a household maid who he raped.
He was in his 20s and she was 16, so there is no way sex could have been consensual.

He never acknowledged her while he was alive, but many in S.C. think it is commendable that he sent money to the girls mother and paid for her to go to college. She was acknowledged in his will, which came as a surprise to his 5 ”legitimate” children.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
22. Graham makes my skin crawl. But it's because he is an Old South White Supremicist.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:35 PM
Feb 2021

I get ill just thinking of him having any kind of sex...TMI so please stop bringing that stuff up.



His political antics are gross enough and he doesn't need any other embellishment of any kind.

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
153. No, would have said dumb ass if I wanted to name call...
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 01:55 AM
Feb 2021

I said smart ass... So take it as a badge.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
78. That doesn't excuse the misogyny...
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:45 PM
Feb 2021

It doesn't matter gay or straight the reason the nickname Lady G is a slur is because it assumes the worst insult to a man is to be identified as a woman. Gay people are wrong to do that just as much as not gay people are.

MontanaMama

(23,333 posts)
124. This. Exactly this.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 03:11 PM
Feb 2021

It happens all the time...I don’t know why this concept is difficult. It is meant to be a put down to call a man a woman.

LeftInTX

(25,437 posts)
103. However, it doesn't make it true
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:07 PM
Feb 2021

The gay community in Austin spread rumors about Rick Perry.....LOL

I very highly doubt that Rick Perry is gay and those rumors were meant to bump him down a notch among social conservatives in the primary.
Once Perry had his "oops" moment, all was forgotten.

If Perry was going to bars without his wife, (gay or straight) there would be pictures of him going to bars. There are no pictures of Rick Perry going to bars in Austin without his wife.

Republican opponents also get involved in this. Remember Lindsey ran for president in 2016
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2011/06/would_rumors_about_his_marriag.html

Ms. Toad

(34,080 posts)
131. And a number of Black people use the term n*****
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 03:24 PM
Feb 2021

That doesn't make it OK to use as an insult or for people who aren't Black to use it at all.

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
120. yep. Totally agree.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:46 PM
Feb 2021

The last four years Trump has brought out the worst in is as well.

I mean it started ling before but everything was heightened the last 4 years.

MLAA

(17,309 posts)
29. There are enough adjectives and monikers without using homophobic slurs
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:41 PM
Feb 2021

Sickening sniveling sycophant (SSS), Pus of Perfidy (POS), Pusillanimous Poltroonish Overbearing Oafish Papula (PPOOP)

Okay enough from me, you try.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,370 posts)
49. Using homophobic slurs to expose hypocrisy on an ostensibly Democratic message board seems a little,
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:11 PM
Feb 2021

uh, hypocritical.

femmedem

(8,204 posts)
61. Exactly! One could just call him a hypocrite.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:26 PM
Feb 2021

People who read Lady G aren't going to ponder and think, "Maybe what they're really calling him out on is his hypocrisy."

whathehell

(29,069 posts)
163. Yes, so does the use of gender slurs on conservative and
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:51 AM
Feb 2021

other 'disliked' women.

Much of homophobia is rooted in contempt for women.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
168. So now it's okay to fat-shame people?
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 02:44 PM
Feb 2021

As Democrats, we should all strive to be better than that. When will the madness end?

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
46. I think of him more as a flailing alcoholic
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:07 PM
Feb 2021

Every time I see him I am overwhelmed with the sensation of stale bourbon breath that seems to emanate from his pores. While I have never seen him with a drink, he often sounds impaired or appears hung over.

RVN VET71

(2,694 posts)
48. OK. OK. It's wrong. Let's stop it.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:10 PM
Feb 2021

But I do not think the use of the insult was necessarily homophobic. In most cases, I believe the insult was directed at Graham and the rest of the GOP’s publicly professed and extraordinarily hypocritical homophobia. It says to Mr. Graham, in essence, if you and your party want to join with the ignorant and homophobic Evangelical extremists, you had better be ready for a dose of you own god damned medicine.

That was how I always viewed the references to “Lady Lindsey”. Not as a smack at homosexuality but, rather, at the utter hypocrisy of closeted homosexuals on the Right who would eagerly and willingly watch their brothers and sisters burn at stakes set aflame by people of their own Republican Party.

But even so, the point is well taken: attacking Graham’s presumed sexual orientation with mockery is wrong. And I think it’s inefficacy as a rhetorical device has been proven by the complaints herein.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,370 posts)
56. "you had better be ready for a dose of you own god damned medicine."
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:22 PM
Feb 2021

When the "medicine" is oppression, perpetuating it helps no one.

RVN VET71

(2,694 posts)
158. I think of the attacks on Graham not as oppression
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:27 AM
Feb 2021

but as a bag of shit dumped unceremoniously on his head or, if you will, a custard pie being splatted repeatedly in his arrogant and hypocritical face. He is not being oppressed. He is being insulted. And he deserves it.

But, as I said, this particular insult hurts other people -- and its use may actually dampen others to its hurtful affects on others. It is therefore to be eschewed both publicly and privately.

But as for Graham’s feelings, I believe he is a scumbag deserving neither mercy nor respect in the public forum.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,370 posts)
159. I wasn't saying calling him slurs is oppressing him. Doing so perpetuates a system of oppression
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:32 AM
Feb 2021

by making slurs acceptable, that's all, which I believe we agree on.

RVN VET71

(2,694 posts)
160. Yes. We agree.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:55 AM
Feb 2021

That is the point of it all. Using it to attack a scumbag like Graham can (and does) have a numbing effect on people who otherwise do not see sexual preference as an issue.

There may be a corollary here regarding why white people should not use the “n-word” even to make a political point of solidarity.

(Hippies in the ‘60s caused themselves a world of hurt when identifying themselves using the full word prefaced by “white”. The Black community, especially the activist Black community, took serious, justified, and angry exception to it. I cannot remember who the spokesperson was who shut the “white-’n-word’” bullshit down, but he used a very pithy and hit-on-your-head truth when he pointed out to a hippy activist, it may have been Jerry Rubin, “you just have to take a shower and cut your hair and you are no longer a target. We don’t have that option. So shut the fuck up.”

Ironically, Rubin, one of the most prominent of the “yippee” movement, did, in fact, cut his hair and shower and joined a Wall Street company planning and catering social networking meetings for financiers and wannabes! Talk about a philosophical turn-around! Sadly, at age 56, he was hit by a car, jaywalking across a Los Angeles street, presumably in his 3 piece suit, and died from his injuries.)

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
114. And the rest of us are just collateral damage?
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:33 PM
Feb 2021

Using demeaning insults about Graham's (alleged) homosexuality may feel like it's justified because he's such a worm, but this practice reverberates more widely than an attack on Graham. It basically validates that the use of homophobic slurs is just fine under certain circumstances. which leaves all gay people vulnerable to that judgment.

It is NOT okay. For any reason.

lark

(23,134 posts)
65. His fascism and lying hypocritical destruction of the constitution is what matters.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:32 PM
Feb 2021

He is utterly and completely useless and despicable - just plain disgusting.

TNNurse

(6,928 posts)
84. Judge him on his character,
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 01:51 PM
Feb 2021

his attaching himself to whomever thinks he can give him power and his complete insincerity from day to day..

Squinch

(50,958 posts)
94. People usually seem to forget that those slurs are wildly sexist as well.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:02 PM
Feb 2021

They perpetuate the mindset that comparing Graham to me is an insult.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
96. Actually
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:03 PM
Feb 2021

His sexuality is likely to be the crux of the matter.

That doesn’t necessarily mean that he should be the object of slurs. But he well deserves bring the object of scorn. And likely because of his sexuality.

JGug1

(320 posts)
98. Graham's Sexuality
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:04 PM
Feb 2021

You are correct. It doesn't have anything to do with his politics. The problem is the immense frustration over the son of a bitch standing there and spouting off his bullshit. They are going to impeach Harris if they take back the House. The rotten son of a bitch. He is as complicit as Trump is in the horrific last four years. So, it's hard to stop. Your post is correct.

VA_Jill

(9,990 posts)
101. I call Lindsey
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:07 PM
Feb 2021

a REMORA. The remora, or suckerfish, is a fish that attaches itself to a larger fish. It used to be thought that the remora survived by cleaning the parasites from the larger fish. Not so, apparently. The remora's diet consists almost exclusively of its host's fecal material.. When the host dies, the remora goes looking for another large, powerful fish to attach itself to. Now how appropriate is THAT?

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
105. Can we call him the esteemed Senator from SC who has anal moles that he
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:13 PM
Feb 2021

affectionately calls his Little Ladybugs? Kind of long but...

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
136. Lot of people have moles, nothing to do with sexual orientation. I had one on my shoulder but
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 05:55 PM
Feb 2021

had it removed. Graham was the one who named his.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
137. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 05:58 PM
Feb 2021

But I certainly can see where you’re coming from.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
108. I'll just enjoy the snark coming from Teh Gays I follow then.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:19 PM
Feb 2021

They say the same things and the same catty nicknames homophobes do, in many even worse, but it's OK.

I guess.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
119. Agree. Just saw SNL from last night. Kate McKinnon
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 02:43 PM
Feb 2021

as Graham. Maybe I missed it but never seen him act that way

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
147. Yes she is! Just didn't get the quirky gestures. Hate the MF
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 11:26 PM
Feb 2021

but have never seen him like that.

Did you watch the episode? On the news part had a clip of cruz crying on side of road. I immediately thought it was a reference to cruz's wife? She had breakdown near their home in Austin, and they found her sitting and crying by mopac in austin. Na, probably too obscure

Smackdown2019

(1,188 posts)
126. It is not what one perceive Graham to be, it is the perception.
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 03:13 PM
Feb 2021

Proof Graham likes other men? Nada!

Wierd Vibes on Grahman being in the closet, YES!

Does it matter to you or I? NO

Does it matter to his constituents? PERHAPS!

Why? Republicans believe in the bible and political GODS they nominate.

Democrats believe in the bible as well, but we also believe in the best candidate for the job.... no imposter!

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
164. You laid it out well. But the hypocrisy is highly likely. That deserves condemnation, if true.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 11:06 AM
Feb 2021

I suspect Graham is a hypocrite who had a few "encounters" & now uses gay porn. He is welcome to both.

But if he does either and votes against LGBT+ rights, then his hypocrisy must be condemned in the strongest terms. Until there is some proof, it is only speculation.

I have stopped referring to him in any feminine way well over a year ago.

Response to redstatebluegirl (Original post)

Mike Niendorff

(3,462 posts)
154. Strongly agreed.
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 08:25 AM
Feb 2021

The issue is his character -- or, to be more exact, his complete lack thereof.

Don't give a rat's ass who he sleeps with in his off time.


MDN

lonely bird

(1,687 posts)
161. OK, I agree...
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 09:55 AM
Feb 2021

I don’t care if he doesn’t measure up to the stupid macho stereotype. There are many men who are not “macho” or “manly-men” whatever the fuck that means. I don’t care if he is gay.

I do care if he is gay and supports anti-gay policies of his party.

wcollar

(176 posts)
162. I understand and agree that homophobic comments are wrong, I just had a different interpretation
Mon Feb 15, 2021, 10:08 AM
Feb 2021

I just viewed it as comparing him to a "Southern Belle and member of the Daughters of the Confederacy", with all the histrionics,
hissy fits, and fainting couch. Much like Carrol Burnett in her "Went with the Wind" skit, albeit without the intentional humor.

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