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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLook I hate Lindsey Graham as much as anyone here,
but I am not fond of the homophobic nature of some of the posts, such as "lady lindsey". I disagree mightily with him on everything but his sexuality has NOTHING to do with it.
Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)Theres plenty of ways to insult him without resorting to homophobia or sexism.
Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #1)
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NoMoreRepugs
(9,444 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)S.C. Dems have discussed over the years whether to use Lindseys well-known closeted status during elections, and the decision has always been to take the high road.
But talk to anyone in the state, on either side of the divide, and this issue is known to everyone.
The first time he ran for Senate (for the seat that had been held by his hero and mentor Strom Thurmond) he had a pamphlet titled Family Values.
It had a typical picture on the front of his family: Lindsey and his wife and two kids. It was technically his Family, since it was his sister and her two children, with her husband conveniently off camera.
If he is going to pull this kind of dishonest bullshit, Im not sure anything about him should be off-limits.
All of this being said, I still come down on the side of not making his sexual status a campaign issue, and we didnt bring it up in the most recent election.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Why do people try to insult him by calling him "Lady"? Just call him what he is, a HYPOCRITE
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I think it's still not cool to use the alleged nickname on DU.
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)LeftInTX
(25,437 posts)There is no evidence that Lindsey has ever used it.
Gore1FL
(21,134 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)BradAllison
(1,879 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wow, shades of McCarthy ....
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... his sexuality is an appropriate topic of discussion if it is being used to blackmail him. The silly name calling isnt cool (and I say that as someone who used it some early on before I thought better of it), but its beside the point. His sexuality is - unfortunately - relevant to a discussion of his politics.
I dont care if Graham is gay. No one should. But I DO care that he is doing evil shit to the American people and our democracy because HE is afraid it will come out somehow.
Shermanator
(36 posts)It's detrimental to a republican politician's career to not support Trump because Trump controls the party. That's why many of them have done a complete 180 on Trump. You don't know anything about Graham's sexuality. You're making assumptions about it and concocting conspiracy theories about Russian blackmail. Graham is a worm. There's something we know about him. Attack him for that instead of what you perceive his sexuality to be.
marble falls
(57,134 posts)ooky
(8,926 posts)Welcome, and have my last 2 hearts.
TwilightZone
(25,472 posts)And welcome to DU.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)No. His sexuality is not a national security risk. His dishonesty and cowardice may well be. But in no world is his sexuality the problem.
The stunning turnaround of his views on trump may be a result of Russian kompromat, I don't know. They may also be just indicative of his lack of real moral conviction and his fondness for power.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)I think he needs to embrace DT to keep his Senate seat in his trump loving state.
JGug1
(320 posts)You make a good point.
LeftInTX
(25,437 posts)If Graham has done anything illegal, it will not be because he is gay or straight.
Being gay is not illegal.
Sure it could hurt a bit with his base in SC, but the odds are, Graham could just say, "I'm gay, so what, it's really nobody's business" and would be re-elected again. I don't think voters care that much..
No one but Lindsey knows if he is straight or gay...
Or at least no one on DU knows....
My Pet Orangutan
(9,288 posts)I'm not interested in Majorie Taylor Greene's sex life either.
bdamomma
(63,904 posts)who would be???
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Shes one of those revolting family values breed of Republicans.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Marjorie Taylor Greene taking her hate for LGBTs to Congress
https://www.projectq.us/marjorie-taylor-greene-taking-her-hate-for-lgbts-to-congress/
Marjorie Taylor Greene, Georgia GOP House Primary winner, has disturbing and dangerous record of anti-LGBTQ and racist rhetoric and threatening behavior
https://www.glaad.org/blog/marjorie-taylor-greene-georgia-gop-house-primary-winner-has-disturbing-and-dangerous-record
My Pet Orangutan
(9,288 posts)If someone is bigoted, their sex life should be an open book?
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)is just someone.
Is a US Representative just someone like you hairdresser or car mechanic? I dont think so. I think a federal lawmaker is someone much more powerful than a regular person. They control the US purse and make laws that impact all American lives.
I do understand that there are people who would defend the sexual privacy of an anti Semitic, violence inciting, homophobic us lawmaker who was a major believer in the theory that Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring and that the Parkland shooting was a false flag with crisis actors not dead kids. Indeed the Q conspiracy is all about sexual conspiracies. She stalked David Hogg and trans people.
I know what she is and I dont give a rats tuckus about defending her privacy at all. I know what she would do with her power. She already told us.
My Pet Orangutan
(9,288 posts)It's the same question - should their sex lives be an open book - no privacy whatsoever - if they are closeted - outed. That is what the OP is about after all.
Oldem
(833 posts)she has three children. Usually, the leaf doesn't fall far from the tree, and I pale to think of three more MTGs. Of course, there are exceptions: Ron Reagan, for instance. Still....
BobTheSubgenius
(11,564 posts)culminating, as always with LOLCATS.
Now I feel queasy. That the word begins with a "Q" is pretty appropriate.
LeftInTX
(25,437 posts)Should fly to Mar A Lago and through herself at Trump.
I would like to see her get rejected!
OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)OnDoutside
(19,962 posts)jimfields33
(15,863 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)but I've seen that "nickname" as recently as today.
4th grade humor and it speaks volumes about those using it.
jimfields33
(15,863 posts)But its been said for longer then it should.
Sympthsical
(9,085 posts)Instead of being an ally and speaking up, some people seem to think it's entertaining. "Oooh, the gays are gonna get pissed! This is going to be great!"
Yeah. Glad we amuse you. It's honestly why I wake up in the morning. "What homophobia can I react to today so a straight person is entertained?"
Or they could, you know, say something. A simple, "Please don't do that. LGBT people here have said they don't like it. Thanks."
I've stayed out of those threads. Too much effort. The whole, "My friend, son, third-cousin-but-only-on-Wednesdays, etc. said it's ok, so it's ok!" has to be my least favorite. My partner is Filipino and best friend black. Lemme go ask them permission to use anti Asian and Black slurs. I'll then come back here and start dropping them. Hey, they said it's ok!
Somehow don't think the reactions will be the same.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)And its always the same people.
Its funny to them.
Ms. Toad
(34,080 posts)When I have the energy, I join them - because remaining silent while homophobid/tranhostile/sexist name calling goes on condones it in the same way we accused Republicans who remained silent of condoning Trump.
BUT it is exhausing. And increasingly there are times that I just have to close my eyes. It's time for more allies to step up and carry the weight of this work.
DownriverDem
(6,230 posts)this was a Democratic Party site. Progressives are a welcomed part of the Democratic Party, right?
paleotn
(17,936 posts)paleotn
(17,936 posts)What gave you that idea?
Turin_C3PO
(14,016 posts)shouldnt be used on this site whether we call ourselves Democrats, progressives, or both, homophobia has no place here.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)paleotn
(17,936 posts)Its not appropriate to gay bash just because you dont like the gay person in question.
Its really that simple.
Just stop being assholes.
intheflow
(28,484 posts)It's in US culture and so of course it sometimes manifests itself here.
jimfields33
(15,863 posts)Peacetrain
(22,877 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)To turn Lindsey Graham from Trump critic to Trump ass-kisser and chief defender.
bdamomma
(63,904 posts)it's a incriminating rendezvous or e-mails with male pagers. Just a speculation.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)in Russian bribes going to his offshore money laundry.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)He's just drawn to power. It's why he was aligned with McCain for so long. He just clings to whatever power base he can.
It's really that simple.
DENVERPOPS
(8,843 posts)if this complete and total allegiance of Trump by most of these Republican Senators doesn't have something to do with:
Trump/Epstein/Maxwell.................
Putin has been collecting Kompromat on Trump since the 90's, I'm sure he is not the only one.................
Most people have known about Graham's personal life for some time and could care less.
Whatever Trump showed Graham on that now nefarious "weekend meeting" scared the living shit out of Graham......and it was far beyond that Graham was gay...............
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Name calling, personal insults and slurs shouldn't be part of the dialogue.
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SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)BigOleDummy
(2,272 posts)It can be said in a more tolerant manner imo. Why not, "I wonder if they have pictures of him with a male escort" Instead of "Lady Lindsey"?
Ms. Toad
(34,080 posts)his sexual orientation?
Otherwise, you don't know his sexual orientation. EVEN if you had ironclad proof that he has had sex with male sex workers, that no more proves he is gay than the fact that a whole lot of gay men married and had sex with women proves they were straight or bisexual.
Only Graham, himself, can determine his sexual orientation - and as far as I know he hasn't shared it.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)And I don't think you read them precisely and carefully, all due respect
Ms. Toad
(34,080 posts)Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #100)
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VickiSmith
(32 posts)there are so many other ways to describe him! Have you seen the video of him describing Joe Biden as "the best man God created"? He constantly flip flops back and forth.
Rustyeye77
(2,736 posts)Such as gays or transsexuals in the military ?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)Which is typical of closeted people who are trying to keep their status hidden to their right wing constituency.
BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)judesedit
(4,440 posts)We assume he is racist.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)judesedit
(4,440 posts)sure his votes could signify that. I'll be looking for that. I am not defending people who are using the homophobic slurs. There's been so much legal stuff lately and it can be very confusing. I am very grateful for the knowledgeable people on this site explaining things.
I do remember Graham saying something like black people can go anywhere in the south if they are conservative.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)and hero was Strom Thurmond.
Nuff said?
judesedit
(4,440 posts)mistress who was a poc, and who bore him a daughter?
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)but a household maid who he raped.
He was in his 20s and she was 16, so there is no way sex could have been consensual.
He never acknowledged her while he was alive, but many in S.C. think it is commendable that he sent money to the girls mother and paid for her to go to college. She was acknowledged in his will, which came as a surprise to his 5 legitimate children.
judesedit
(4,440 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)I get ill just thinking of him having any kind of sex...TMI so please stop bringing that stuff up.
His political antics are gross enough and he doesn't need any other embellishment of any kind.
mvd
(65,178 posts)Plenty of other, better ways to get out our contempt.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)You may have to live and let live.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Please learn.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Smart ass.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Tsk tsk.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)I said smart ass... So take it as a badge.
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)It doesn't matter gay or straight the reason the nickname Lady G is a slur is because it assumes the worst insult to a man is to be identified as a woman. Gay people are wrong to do that just as much as not gay people are.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)There are some who just dont get it.
MontanaMama
(23,333 posts)It happens all the time...I dont know why this concept is difficult. It is meant to be a put down to call a man a woman.
LeftInTX
(25,437 posts)The gay community in Austin spread rumors about Rick Perry.....LOL
I very highly doubt that Rick Perry is gay and those rumors were meant to bump him down a notch among social conservatives in the primary.
Once Perry had his "oops" moment, all was forgotten.
If Perry was going to bars without his wife, (gay or straight) there would be pictures of him going to bars. There are no pictures of Rick Perry going to bars in Austin without his wife.
Republican opponents also get involved in this. Remember Lindsey ran for president in 2016
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2011/06/would_rumors_about_his_marriag.html
Ms. Toad
(34,080 posts)That doesn't make it OK to use as an insult or for people who aren't Black to use it at all.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)I've got that plackard too.
safeinOhio
(32,706 posts)Jokes about guns and mens dick size.
I hate that one also.
SlogginThroughIt
(1,977 posts)The last four years Trump has brought out the worst in is as well.
I mean it started ling before but everything was heightened the last 4 years.
MLAA
(17,309 posts)Sickening sniveling sycophant (SSS), Pus of Perfidy (POS), Pusillanimous Poltroonish Overbearing Oafish Papula (PPOOP)
Okay enough from me, you try.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)gibraltar72
(7,508 posts)flying_wahini
(6,626 posts)Expose him for the hypocrisy, if nothing else.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)uh, hypocritical.
femmedem
(8,204 posts)People who read Lady G aren't going to ponder and think, "Maybe what they're really calling him out on is his hypocrisy."
whathehell
(29,069 posts)other 'disliked' women.
Much of homophobia is rooted in contempt for women.
KPN
(15,647 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wrong.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)..."Pillsbury Proud Boy."
MontanaMama
(23,333 posts)perfect for Graham.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)As Democrats, we should all strive to be better than that. When will the madness end?
edhopper
(33,595 posts)"Graham Cracker" instead.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)KatK
(185 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)Every time I see him I am overwhelmed with the sensation of stale bourbon breath that seems to emanate from his pores. While I have never seen him with a drink, he often sounds impaired or appears hung over.
LeftInTX
(25,437 posts)His excessive loyalty to Trump is strange
RVN VET71
(2,694 posts)But I do not think the use of the insult was necessarily homophobic. In most cases, I believe the insult was directed at Graham and the rest of the GOPs publicly professed and extraordinarily hypocritical homophobia. It says to Mr. Graham, in essence, if you and your party want to join with the ignorant and homophobic Evangelical extremists, you had better be ready for a dose of you own god damned medicine.
That was how I always viewed the references to Lady Lindsey. Not as a smack at homosexuality but, rather, at the utter hypocrisy of closeted homosexuals on the Right who would eagerly and willingly watch their brothers and sisters burn at stakes set aflame by people of their own Republican Party.
But even so, the point is well taken: attacking Grahams presumed sexual orientation with mockery is wrong. And I think its inefficacy as a rhetorical device has been proven by the complaints herein.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)When the "medicine" is oppression, perpetuating it helps no one.
RVN VET71
(2,694 posts)but as a bag of shit dumped unceremoniously on his head or, if you will, a custard pie being splatted repeatedly in his arrogant and hypocritical face. He is not being oppressed. He is being insulted. And he deserves it.
But, as I said, this particular insult hurts other people -- and its use may actually dampen others to its hurtful affects on others. It is therefore to be eschewed both publicly and privately.
But as for Grahams feelings, I believe he is a scumbag deserving neither mercy nor respect in the public forum.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,370 posts)by making slurs acceptable, that's all, which I believe we agree on.
RVN VET71
(2,694 posts)That is the point of it all. Using it to attack a scumbag like Graham can (and does) have a numbing effect on people who otherwise do not see sexual preference as an issue.
There may be a corollary here regarding why white people should not use the n-word even to make a political point of solidarity.
(Hippies in the 60s caused themselves a world of hurt when identifying themselves using the full word prefaced by white. The Black community, especially the activist Black community, took serious, justified, and angry exception to it. I cannot remember who the spokesperson was who shut the white-n-word bullshit down, but he used a very pithy and hit-on-your-head truth when he pointed out to a hippy activist, it may have been Jerry Rubin, you just have to take a shower and cut your hair and you are no longer a target. We dont have that option. So shut the fuck up.
Ironically, Rubin, one of the most prominent of the yippee movement, did, in fact, cut his hair and shower and joined a Wall Street company planning and catering social networking meetings for financiers and wannabes! Talk about a philosophical turn-around! Sadly, at age 56, he was hit by a car, jaywalking across a Los Angeles street, presumably in his 3 piece suit, and died from his injuries.)
BadGimp
(4,016 posts)It's part of his parade of hypocrisy and dishonesty.
Boomer
(4,168 posts)Using demeaning insults about Graham's (alleged) homosexuality may feel like it's justified because he's such a worm, but this practice reverberates more widely than an attack on Graham. It basically validates that the use of homophobic slurs is just fine under certain circumstances. which leaves all gay people vulnerable to that judgment.
It is NOT okay. For any reason.
marble falls
(57,134 posts)lark
(23,134 posts)He is utterly and completely useless and despicable - just plain disgusting.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)TNNurse
(6,928 posts)his attaching himself to whomever thinks he can give him power and his complete insincerity from day to day..
tavernier
(12,394 posts)Is it ok to call him an asshole?
Iggo
(47,561 posts)Also, theres a whole bunch of people who dont get it. So get used to it.
crickets
(25,981 posts)Squinch
(50,958 posts)They perpetuate the mindset that comparing Graham to me is an insult.
matt819
(10,749 posts)His sexuality is likely to be the crux of the matter.
That doesnt necessarily mean that he should be the object of slurs. But he well deserves bring the object of scorn. And likely because of his sexuality.
JGug1
(320 posts)You are correct. It doesn't have anything to do with his politics. The problem is the immense frustration over the son of a bitch standing there and spouting off his bullshit. They are going to impeach Harris if they take back the House. The rotten son of a bitch. He is as complicit as Trump is in the horrific last four years. So, it's hard to stop. Your post is correct.
VA_Jill
(9,990 posts)a REMORA. The remora, or suckerfish, is a fish that attaches itself to a larger fish. It used to be thought that the remora survived by cleaning the parasites from the larger fish. Not so, apparently. The remora's diet consists almost exclusively of its host's fecal material.. When the host dies, the remora goes looking for another large, powerful fish to attach itself to. Now how appropriate is THAT?
Chipper Chat
(9,684 posts)As a gay man I detest seeing any homophobia in print.. period
Even directed at Lindsey.
FreeState
(10,575 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)affectionately calls his Little Ladybugs? Kind of long but...
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Wow.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)had it removed. Graham was the one who named his.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)But I certainly can see where youre coming from.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,539 posts)February 14, 2021
Of course, they have a license to do that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Land!
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)They say the same things and the same catty nicknames homophobes do, in many even worse, but it's OK.
I guess.
OMGWTF
(3,968 posts)I DGAF about anyone's sexual orientation.
BannonsLiver
(16,411 posts)samnsara
(17,625 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)as Graham. Maybe I missed it but never seen him act that way
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)but have never seen him like that.
Did you watch the episode? On the news part had a clip of cruz crying on side of road. I immediately thought it was a reference to cruz's wife? She had breakdown near their home in Austin, and they found her sitting and crying by mopac in austin. Na, probably too obscure
Akoto
(4,267 posts)Smackdown2019
(1,188 posts)Proof Graham likes other men? Nada!
Wierd Vibes on Grahman being in the closet, YES!
Does it matter to you or I? NO
Does it matter to his constituents? PERHAPS!
Why? Republicans believe in the bible and political GODS they nominate.
Democrats believe in the bible as well, but we also believe in the best candidate for the job.... no imposter!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,020 posts)I suspect Graham is a hypocrite who had a few "encounters" & now uses gay porn. He is welcome to both.
But if he does either and votes against LGBT+ rights, then his hypocrisy must be condemned in the strongest terms. Until there is some proof, it is only speculation.
I have stopped referring to him in any feminine way well over a year ago.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)your majesty?
MustLoveBeagles
(11,626 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)Cha
(297,401 posts)myopic.
It's wrong.
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Mike Niendorff
(3,462 posts)The issue is his character -- or, to be more exact, his complete lack thereof.
Don't give a rat's ass who he sleeps with in his off time.
MDN
pwb
(11,280 posts)He is scum.
mdbl
(4,973 posts)and I don't care what his sexuality is.
bucolic_frolic
(43,235 posts)but are Republicans and their social policies cutting LGBTQ the same break?
lonely bird
(1,687 posts)I dont care if he doesnt measure up to the stupid macho stereotype. There are many men who are not macho or manly-men whatever the fuck that means. I dont care if he is gay.
I do care if he is gay and supports anti-gay policies of his party.
wcollar
(176 posts)I just viewed it as comparing him to a "Southern Belle and member of the Daughters of the Confederacy", with all the histrionics,
hissy fits, and fainting couch. Much like Carrol Burnett in her "Went with the Wind" skit, albeit without the intentional humor.