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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:53 PM Sep 2013

Concealed carry holder arrested for threatening President Obama

Well done.

A Clarks Summit man accused of threatening to kill President Barack Obama had two weapons, one of which was a loaded AR-15, 11,000 rounds of ammunition, a long-range scope and training manuals on long-range shooting, federal court records show.

Nicholas D. Savino, 42, 328 Melrose Ave., was indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury in Scranton on charges of threatening to kill the president of the United States and transmitting communication in interstate commerce because he threatened the president via email.

Mr. Savino also held a permit to carry concealed firearms, issued by Lackawanna County in November. The license will be revoked, Dominick Manetti, chief deputy of the Lackawanna County sheriff's office, said Friday. Revocation is standard for anyone accused of a crime, he said.

The U.S. attorney's office for the Middle District of Pennsylvania said Thursday that Mr. Savino sent an email to the White House on Aug. 16 that read: "President Obama is the Anti-Christ. As a result of breaking the constitution you will stand down or be shot dead. This will be sent to militias throughout the country and the media. Nick Savino."

http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/officials-clarks-summit-man-accused-of-threatening-obama-kept-loaded-ar-15-1.1552144
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Concealed carry holder arrested for threatening President Obama (Original Post) Robb Sep 2013 OP
This asshole should never be allowed to own a gun again. n/t hlthe2b Sep 2013 #1
I don't think that's going to be a problem. wild bird Sep 2013 #6
So...... you are all for better vetting of CCW permit holders? rdharma Sep 2013 #27
Ooops. CCWer acting "responsibly" and like a bigoted militia type (common among toters). Hoyt Sep 2013 #2
And how, exactly, do you know that? Bake Sep 2013 #11
Grew up with the losers. How do you know otherwise, you think Hoyt Sep 2013 #16
The system works. Arrested, weapons seized, license revoked. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #3
"But, but, but, but........... TheCowsCameHome Sep 2013 #4
Thanks for signing your name to your death threat asshole. nt TeamPooka Sep 2013 #5
In America it seems a.o.k. to own an AK-15, 11,000 rounds of ammunition, a long-range scope, indepat Sep 2013 #7
You're right. Bake Sep 2013 #12
Because Second Amendment, billh58 Sep 2013 #34
A people who don't even flinch over a reported 30,000 guns deaths a year, but who shake in their indepat Sep 2013 #48
... sarisataka Sep 2013 #8
He was indicted for threatening to kill the president. cui bono Sep 2013 #9
Why I don't support open of AR-15s. It's training us to accept RW warlords. freshwest Sep 2013 #10
This should be an OP malaise Sep 2013 #13
+100000. Hoyt Sep 2013 #17
This should totally be its own post. Robb Sep 2013 #18
Take it and anything from my Journal, edit as necessary and run with it... freshwest Sep 2013 #19
Please note who and what these guys represent: freshwest Sep 2013 #22
+100 billh58 Sep 2013 #32
11,000 rounds of ammo. How many people do you think will have to die at one time in order liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #14
What leads you to believe that all that ammo was loaded into magazines? ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #20
Sure, he's an insane would-be assassin -- but he's thrifty! Robb Sep 2013 #21
Probably more lazy than thrifty. ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #23
Who could ask for better than a lazy psychopath? Robb Sep 2013 #24
In an attempt to bring this subthread back on topic, ManiacJoe Sep 2013 #31
Actually, shooters do frequently exchange coupon codes NickB79 Sep 2013 #43
That's approximately 300 pounds of ammo NickB79 Sep 2013 #41
Apparently the laws we have worked (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2013 #15
After the fact.......... nt rdharma Sep 2013 #28
Aren't most laws based on actions? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #29
Isn't the CCW permit system meant to weed out the crazies beforehand? rdharma Sep 2013 #33
Ok, what do you want it to contain? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #35
If someone who had mental issues in the 90's (overdosed/whatever) should that person be branded .... rdharma Sep 2013 #36
And what other rights do you want to deny people - voting, free speech The Straight Story Sep 2013 #37
Form 4473 rdharma Sep 2013 #38
So can you point to what he did to be denied a ccw before hand? (nt) The Straight Story Sep 2013 #39
You think he should have had a CCW? rdharma Sep 2013 #40
Again, can you point to an episode/reason prior to this to deny him? The Straight Story Sep 2013 #42
So I see you think he should have been qualified for a CCW! rdharma Sep 2013 #44
Still waiting on you to make the case The Straight Story Sep 2013 #45
You're the one defending this psycho's right to a CCW! rdharma Sep 2013 #46
That's cute The Straight Story Sep 2013 #47
Good. nt LWolf Sep 2013 #25
Just another law-abiding gun-owner RetroLounge Sep 2013 #26
The NRA and Ted Nugent billh58 Sep 2013 #30
 

wild bird

(421 posts)
6. I don't think that's going to be a problem.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:25 PM
Sep 2013

This asshat will probably be spending some quality time courtesy of the Fed. Govt. in Club Fed for the next 20 years or so.

How the fuck did this nut get a permit in the first place, that should be investigated also.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Ooops. CCWer acting "responsibly" and like a bigoted militia type (common among toters).
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
Sep 2013

Yeah, I know there are exceptions, but I guarantee most toters are callous right wingers.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
11. And how, exactly, do you know that?
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:17 PM
Sep 2013

Fact is, you DON'T know that.

The perp is obviously warped or stupid or both, and I don't think he'll be carrying any weapons for a long time, concealed or otherwise.

Bake

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. Grew up with the losers. How do you know otherwise, you think
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:29 PM
Sep 2013

Democrats are the majority of those who arm up?

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
3. The system works. Arrested, weapons seized, license revoked.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 02:57 PM
Sep 2013

It gives me faith that our laws are working and that our enforcement, while spotty, worked in this case.



indepat

(20,899 posts)
7. In America it seems a.o.k. to own an AK-15, 11,000 rounds of ammunition, a long-range scope,
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
Sep 2013

training manuals on long-range shooting, and even be a member of one of the referenced militia groups, but it is not a.o.k. to threaten our President. This incident is enough to make one wonder how many Nick Savino-types/wannabees are out there considering the large number of domestic gun-toters, spewers of hate, and militias. One wonders the combined threat domestic haters pose to our national security as opposed to the threat posed by any/all foreign groups. One also wonders if the resources devoted to domestic threats to our national security are sufficient when compared to the resources devoted to foreign al Que-da-types.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
34. Because Second Amendment,
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 09:10 PM
Sep 2013

Freedom, and My Rights. Guns 'R Good. America is number one in gun violence, and damned proud of it!

indepat

(20,899 posts)
48. A people who don't even flinch over a reported 30,000 guns deaths a year, but who shake in their
Sun Sep 15, 2013, 09:37 PM
Sep 2013

boots and willingly give up much of their freedom to be kept absolutely safe from any foreign terraist threat are a very special people indeed. But for food for thought: Benjamin Franklin mused contemptuously of those willing to give up their liberty for a little safety.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. Why I don't support open of AR-15s. It's training us to accept RW warlords.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:04 PM
Sep 2013

I'm on their 'domestic enemies' list. I know what their hyped 2nd Amendment Solution means for me.

The list is posted publicly everyday on hate radio and websites. The poor, disabled, minorities and those who don't go with their religion or ideology, are on that list.

Life in a war zone is no good. Fascists do no stop being fascists just because they use the language of the Constitution or are waving the American flag.

They are still fascists and are itching for violence to rob us of our rights and lives under the cover of war. The greatest fortunes in history were made this way. They talk openly of how it is their god-given right to have the land and wealth of this nation, that others should be enslaved or die to get out of their new, but really old, way of doing things.

I'm not in denial, no one should be. This guy is just one of millions who seek a new identity and cause since their privilege has been discredited. But they have enclaves from which they operate, in media, in states controlled by TP legislators and governors. They hold majority in the HoR in D.C.

I don't want to see liberal government come down on these guys, giving them the slightest moral standing for what they are doing. We'd better unify and be strong or they'll tear this nation apart for those who are ready to divide it up into fiefdoms.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. Please note who and what these guys represent:
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 07:57 PM
Sep 2013
An Ominous Alliance: Militiamen Showing Up in Wisconsin as Mining Co. 'Security'



Imagine taking a hike in your local woods and coming upon characters toting semi-automatic weapons, dressed in camo and wearing masks. Then imagine finding out they are militia-movement followers hired by a mining operation to protect against "eco-terrorists." That's what's been happening to people living in northern Wisconsin lately...Kate Sheppard at Mother Jones has been on the scene and monitoring these developments:

Local activist Rob Ganson, 56, first came upon three heavily armed guards while leading a small group on a hike to view the mining site. (The drilling site is on private land, but the owner has been given a tax break in exchange for keeping it open to public use.) The guards, said Ganson, carried semi-automatic guns, were dressed in camouflage, and wore masks covering their faces...After they determined that the guards worked for Arizona-based Bulletproof Security, Ganson and the other activists posted their photos of the guards online, drawing local and national news coverage of the mine, a proposed four-mile-long, 1,000-feet-deep open pit operation in Ashland and Iron counties. In June, the company began exploratory drilling in the region for taconite, a type of iron ore used in steel.

Last Wednesday, the mining company, Gogebic Taconite—G-Tac for short—a subsidiary of the West Virginia-based Cline Group, pulled the armed guards after finding that the security firm lacked permits to work in the state. A spokesman for the company has said that the Bulletproof guards will be back once they're properly licensed.

One of the activists in the area, however, told Mother Jones on Monday that a new group of armed guards—including one whose shirt bore the insignia for Watchmen of America, a militia group active in at least 21 states—was on patrol last Thursday, the day after Gogebic Taconite pulled the Bulletproof guards. This was followed shortly by heated denials from the Watchmen...

As Mary Catherine O'Connor at Outside reports, this is all taking place in a context where the mining officials are labeling local protesters "eco terrorists" and using the flimsiest of pretexts to bring in militia-style thugs to intimidate the locals.

Let's hope Americans remember that in Italy and Germany, fascists first gained political traction and moved out of the fringe of politics in the 1920s when they were hired by large landowners and businessmen as thugs to beat up and harass union organizers and land reformers, all under the rubric of calling them "communists". This is an ominous development indeed.

http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/ominous-alliance-militiamen-showing-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023340239

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
14. 11,000 rounds of ammo. How many people do you think will have to die at one time in order
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 06:21 PM
Sep 2013

for us to limit magazine clips? 20, 50, 100, 200, 250? With people carrying this much ammo we will eventually have an incident where hundreds die all at the same time. I wonder if we will be ready to limit magazine clips then?

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
20. What leads you to believe that all that ammo was loaded into magazines?
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 07:46 PM
Sep 2013

11000 rounds of ammo would take 367 30-round magazines. In reality, that ammo was probably in cardboard cases of 1000 rounds (or 500 rounds) stacked on his garage floor. Since ammo does not have expiration dates, buying in bulk (by the case) is cheaper than buying by the box (20 rounds) just like for most other items.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
23. Probably more lazy than thrifty.
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 08:01 PM
Sep 2013

Buying 11000 rounds of ammo by the box (550 boxes) is much more work than having 22 cases shipped to your house. Never mind the cost savings.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
31. In an attempt to bring this subthread back on topic,
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 09:06 PM
Sep 2013

was there something of substance you wanted to add to the conversation? (Not that there is anything wrong with you bringing some comic relief to the thread.)


NickB79

(19,253 posts)
43. Actually, shooters do frequently exchange coupon codes
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:27 PM
Sep 2013

On many forums for gun owners, you can find all sorts of coupon codes for discounts at online shooting supply stores.

And with the cost of ammo skyrocketing, yes, most high-volume shooters these days have become very thrifty. All the AR-15 shooters have switched to cheap .22LR, which means I can't find any .22LR for my bolt-action squirrel-hunting rifle. So, a lot of .22LR shooters like myself have switched to high-velocity pellet rifles. Now, quality air rifle pellets are drying up.

NickB79

(19,253 posts)
41. That's approximately 300 pounds of ammo
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:19 PM
Sep 2013

I don't think ANYONE is gonna be carrying around that kind of load-out to a firefight anytime soon.

Hell, the standard load-out for a US Marine is 300 rounds.

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
33. Isn't the CCW permit system meant to weed out the crazies beforehand?
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 09:08 PM
Sep 2013

Through an adequate vetting process?

Obviously ........ a FAIL!

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
35. Ok, what do you want it to contain?
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 09:31 PM
Sep 2013

An entire history of a person? What happens if you get one and then later have issues? If someone who had mental issues in the 90's (overdosed/whatever) should that person be branded for life from being able to get a gun or ccw?

And what role did ccw play in this case? How many with a ccw do such things compared to the total amount of people with one - and should we base how we treat the many based on the few (which the RW does with muslims)?

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
36. If someone who had mental issues in the 90's (overdosed/whatever) should that person be branded ....
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 09:37 PM
Sep 2013

Yup! As far as being issued a CCW is concerned.

Look at the questions on ATF Form 4473!

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
42. Again, can you point to an episode/reason prior to this to deny him?
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:23 PM
Sep 2013

I am not seeing anything, possible I missed the reason to deny him previously - but since he had to have a check prior to getting it am guessing there was not previously a reason.

Please attempt to explain what would have prevented him, in your mind, from getting one up until this incident (if you can).

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
45. Still waiting on you to make the case
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 10:44 PM
Sep 2013

that at the time he got one he should not have had one.

I know this is am emotional issue for you (versus a rights issues) but try to at least make an attempt to explain why, until now, he should have been denied one.

Maybe I missed something in the story that he got one using fraud, a problem in the system, etc. He should not have one now, we can agree on that, but unless we employ psychics when issuing such permits I don't see how the system did not operate as it was designed to do.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
47. That's cute
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 11:09 PM
Sep 2013

I have been merely asking why, prior to this, he would have been denied one.

You obviously have no reason, so the system functioned as it was designed to and this case is not about ccw at all and has no bearing on it.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
30. The NRA and Ted Nugent
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 09:00 PM
Sep 2013

must be so proud that one of their acolytes is getting lots of press coverage for them.

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