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If you find it morally repugnant that the government conducts surveillance operations within the law and the Constitution as a tool to fight threats in a dangerous world but find yourself worshiping at the alter of racists, fascists, and traitors who take shelter in our adversaries, your conscience is failing. If you trumpet yourself as the champion of open government, freedom and free press but feel an irresistible compulsion to sing the praise of a ruthless ruler who poisons dissidents, suppresses free press and jails gays, you may need to retrieve your conscience from the pit of a very dark hole inside of your mind.
But most of all, you are a liberal without a conscience if your focus is on being such a perfection troll that you cannot see, or close your eyes to, the most effective liberal to have entered the White House in nearly a century. If compromise is such a dirty word to you that it prevents you from seeing why it is necessary and what a given compromise does to help the ordinary person, you are an elitist liberal who needs to confront the demons of your own conscience (or lack thereof).
At the core of liberalism is community - the idea that we look out for our neighbors, or fellow Americans and ultimately, our fellow humans - and if your ideology is getting in the way of seeing the greater good, the common good, then it's a problem with your conscience.
Think about it.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2013/09/liberals-without-conscience.html
11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)It is too funny.
a real meltdown
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2013, 08:21 PM - Edit history (1)
with a refreshing margarita in hand (while THOROUGHLY enjoying the lame defense of the Crappiest of Crap Blogs) constitutes "real meltdown" in your world, you need to get out more.
Cheers!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Still sitting out, but will be heading inside to watch "Side Effects" soon. 75 and sunny in Raleigh tomorrow... can't wait!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)looking forward to nice weather!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I hear it's open to Clayton and want to check it out.
http://www.traillink.com/imagehandler.ashx?id=57987&t=640
(Aaaah, good use of tax dollars!)
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Your settling for a building not a home.
Rex
(65,616 posts)What purpose would he have to vote for Mitt Romney?
Electric Monk
(13,869 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)is pretending to be the authority on liberals! Of course this OP will get recs from the left bashing crowd.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Posted by Spandan C at 2:42 PM
... WE DID IT FOLKS, WE DID IT. YOU DID IT. Thank you to everyone who kept faith, called voters, knocked on doors, and kept on keepin' on throughout all the adversity. Congratulations to you, and Congratulations, Mr. President.
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012_11_01_archive.html
Rex
(65,616 posts)"The president is in a fighting mood. Starting today, he's barnstorming the country, getting the American people to pressure Congress to extend the middle class tax breaks, and to do so now. Yesterday, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner presented the leaders of Congress with the Administration's opening offer. That offer is heavy on revenue, tax fairness, and Medicare savings without affecting benefits. Here's a short summary of what the president has proposed, from leaked details."
How did you get something different?
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)for that
Rex
(65,616 posts)THAT is all I needed to know. Have a great day playing CYA!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Really?
Sid
Rex
(65,616 posts)then that is his right. Can you find it?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Quite easily. On your keyboard, there is this button. It's called Pg Dn (which stands for Page Down). If you press that a few times, you will also find it. Also, your mouse may have a little wheel in the center. This is for scrolling, and will serve the same purpose of the Page Down key.
Here's a hint: It's a little over 3/4 down the page. Pretty hard to miss...
Rex
(65,616 posts)Thanks for the link.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Oh wait, sorry, I was replying to the comic in your signature...
Also, how do we know YOU voted for Obama?
The voice in my head said you voted for Romney. Disprove it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Not likely to be going by michigandem58.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)madinmaryland, for example, is now in Ohio (but presumably still mad).
creon
(1,183 posts)That is your opinion.
That is all that it is.
clear?
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)And you are?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)He wont even answer questions about his identity. This Spamden character is really something.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I can only assume he voted for Mitt instead or did not vote at all.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Did you miss that part?
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)the other????
Rex
(65,616 posts)Here let us just get down to the bottom of the article where he spells it out;
'Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama.'
Good riddance, Barack Obama?
deaniac83
(165 posts)I don't plan on posting here again, but let me set the record straight.
You cited that article, which I did write at an emotional time in 2007, but you either did not read, or felt compelled not to cite, an update I wrote months later: BARACK OBAMA, A CAUTIOUS ENDORSEMENT:
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2008/02/barack-obama-cautious-endorsement.html
I guess the fact that you avoided mentioning it DOES speak to your lack of conscience. UPDATE - since you live in opposite land and think that 'endorsing' him doesn't mean I voted for him, just be completely clear, I did. And you have lost all credibility.
I'm going to update the original with the update, so that people like you aren't able to lie about me.
Someone was referring to my Linked In profile, which is no longer accurate as I haven't updated it in 5 years.
Also, I have never been banned from Daily Kos - I can still post there. I choose not to.
And no, I'm not the one that posted my article here originally, but I do thank the OP for doing so.
Okay, carry on being liberals without conscience.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Just own up to your hypocrisy is all I am saying.
SO you are going to HIDE what you said...NP I and others have it saved and will paste it in here whenever that horrible left bashing blog is brought up.
Oh and have a nice day!
deaniac83
(165 posts)I could have hidden it a long time ago if I wanted to. But I have no problem letting my reader see the path I came through. Go see it. So I just updated it with a link to the latter article, so that they aren't misguided by people like you who cherrypick the hurt but not the subsequent endorsement. I am perfectly comfortable letting people make their own judgment, as long as they have the whole story.
Alright, bye now.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Like I said, it will ALWAYS be posted in threads linked to that left bashing blog. Alright, bye now...until next time someone lets you know someone pointed out your rank hypocrisy in a blog!
THAT in itself is very funny...your buddies on DU got your back!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)This entire thread has been so illuminating.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)Not surprising his fan that was haranguing you for the link has now disappeared. I love how these posters own up to their never ending bullshit.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Pretty self serving prose compared to how you approach others. You want the whole story told, but you treat others to summarized characterization removed from any reality.
The path I came through. Community. It's rich, it's thick, it's creamy good.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)That is information that the readers of DU need to know.
I will also keep a copy,
and post it at the appropriate times.
The People's View is a sick place,
and an embarrassment to have links to DU.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Notice how when proof was given, he showed up instantly. Kinda makes ya wonder.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)If so, you are not reading very well. There are no Putin Lovers here.
"Obabmacare" without a public option is nothing more than a handout to big insurance on the backs of working Americans. There is nothing good about it.
Fuck, I could go on if it was worth my time. This is a piece of filthy writing that would come out of the Fox News Network.
creon
(1,183 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Which explains both sides of the question being raised here. Is a person allowed to evolve, to have feelings, to decide they are wrong and then steer to the better? Are those who claim offense, refusing to change?
We don't need to react to triggers like conservatives who go postal over words that can have more than one meaning. Try saying 'conservatives have no conscience' on a board with them and they lose their minds, trying to defend a word and not argue the issues raised.
Which is what is going on in this thread. Those who cherry pick the blog, are offended that someone finds fault with the way groups think. Isn't that discussing issues on DU?
There are different kinds of conservatives, just a there are different kinds of liberals. These kind of dismissive, out of hand and vulgar attacks remind me of Monty Python skits where a person makes the sign of the cross with their fingers in front of their face to protect them from the devil...
If we want progress, we have to accept that we are going into unknown territory, and that in doing so, we ourselves will have to change. This OP is not namecalling liberals as conservatives do. No one is calling liberals baby killers, sexual deviants, godless, socialists or the hate du jour of talk radio.
This is not an attack on all liberals, but those who don't have compassion. I have met some people who label themselves as liberals, but don't have empathy. Which to me means they aren't liberals of the kind I love.
JHMO.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)We'll see how long that lasts.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And someone downthread actually suggested he was "courageous." Ha. Likely another one from the shitty blog...
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)That's your evidence?????
Marr
(20,317 posts)Huh. Not true now, eh?
My my my...all those claims seem to be...gosh...conditional! Who would have guessed?
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Us 'emoprogs' are pretty regularly accused of not having voted for Obama, just because we offer criticism.
But a self-described 'centrist' can flat out state he's not voting for Obama, and he gets a pass because it wasn't actually an election year.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Such projection. Tsk.
I guess it was easy for Spandan to "take a stand" and withhold a vote in California. He needs to do time in North Carolina.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)panzerfaust
(2,818 posts)I myself came very close to NOT VOTING at all this last time as it was clear to me that neither Obama, nor RoMoney, shared my liberal, left-wing, democratic values as to the nature and character of government and of society.
However, as I then continued to appreciate the (now sadly slipping) illusion of a free and democratic society provided by the Democrats to the open Fascism and totalitarianism of the Republican party I "Hoped" and voted for our current despot wannabe.
However my wife, having a clearer view of the future, spent the time I wasted on voting working productively in our vegetable garden. Her's was the wiser choice.
creon
(1,183 posts)full stop
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/10/is-everyone-done-freaking-out-now.html
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)with that sort of attitude. I agree that everyone should vote, even if they leave the ballot blank.
7962
(11,841 posts)I know it will piss off some folks here, but dammit I'm sick of people who don't even know who their own Senator is bouncing into the polls to cast a vote.
Everybody has the right to vote, and the right to own a weapon. Some should do neither.
tomp
(9,512 posts)....i am opposed to compulsory voting unless certain conditions are in place:
-a complete revamping of election security, i.e., paper ballots counted in the public square, digital transfers of final tallies only,
verified after transfer, etc.
-removal of corporate funding from campaigning
-public funding of campaigns, serious limitation on funding from other sources, including political parties
-mandatory extensive debate among ALL candidates with allocation of free media time
-a "none of the above" option, along with the requirement of obtaining an absolute majority of eligible voters for victory, no plurality
-simple and easily understood federal law governs all voter registration and eligibility, no state-by-state intervention
-conscientious objector status allowed, and objectors still count as eligible voters for determining absolute majority
I'm sure there's some room for fine tuning this but that's pretty much the gist.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Green candidate Jill Stein, or even Roseanne, who was on the ballot here as the candidate of the Peace & Freedom Party.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Which, really one has no right to complain if they don't vote...imo...
bvar22
(39,909 posts)That place is ALL about the "3rd Way" Republicrats.
You will know them by their [font size=3]WORKS.[/font]
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)prove it
Rex
(65,616 posts)Those are his own words.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama. - Spandan C.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama. - Spandan C.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama. - Spandan C.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)sorry, no he didn't.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I get it, you are doing damage control for the guy. Have a blast!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Courageous post by this time when it's so cool to watch RT FSB-TV.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Really?
Squinch
(51,004 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Me-ow.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I'm not familiar with this person.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Evidently it is a former DUer, Deaniac83 (have no idea with they got TSd or quit).
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2639282
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Well that's kind of cool!
He certainly has a way with words.
Rex
(65,616 posts)He fits right in since he refused to vote for Obama.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I think the blog poster is definitely a Dem, but I wouldn't call him a liberal basher. He has high praise for a number of policies including the repeal of DADT, ACA, Wall Street reform, economic stimulus, and other bills.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I think the blog poster is definitely NOT a Dem. He bashes liberals and that is good enough for some people here.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)like the ones I mentioned above.
Not sure why he wouldn't vote for Obama though.
Did he offer some kind of explanation?
Rex
(65,616 posts)issues. Which is why I have a hard time believing a single word written on that blog site.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Did he say Obama didn't go far enough or too far?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Which sent red flags up for me, since Obama has done more for the LGBT community then any other POTUS before him.
HERE is a link to his statement; http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2007/10/obama-lost-my-vote-general-election-too.html?m=0
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)McClurkin but decided Obama was the best candidate after all
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)one day. But Ive voted a straight Democratic ticket since my first ballot in 1968 ..."
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2011/12/vote-chasing-perspective.html
Rex
(65,616 posts)'The time has come for us to start concerning ourselves with how people will vote in 2012. Ive noticed a fair amount of panic setting in online. Who hasnt read this blog comment/tweet: "The Dems better get it together and get out the vote!"? Its understandable given what happened in 2010. Its important to remember, however, that 2010 was not a National Election. 2010 was 50 elections, and each State Democratic Party was responsible for their own GOTV efforts. Im lucky to live in a safe blue State with a very strong Party apparatus that had a very good strategy revolving around one sub-group of voters referred to as lazy voters. We spent every single day leading up to the election reaching out to lazy voters, not to the exclusion of all others, but as a primary focus. We were successful on the Federal level and had mixed results on the State and local level. Far too many State races came down to fewer than 200 votes.
2012 will be completely different. Presidential elections are the headline election that many more people pay attention to as voters. Plus it is the one race that is not decided by the popular vote. There is only one thing that matters in the Presidential race: The Electoral College. 270 votes. When it comes to wondering if the President will win reelection, it honestly doesnt even matter who the opponent is; all that matters is how do we get 270 Electoral College votes.'
Not even close.
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)And you say I need tech support?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)the vote out for him, if we give it everything we've got, an Obama landslide is more than possible ..."
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2012/10/why-obama-landslide-is-more-than.html
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Barf.
I don't believe Obama has always had my back. In fairness, I don't believe the majority of politicians have our backs.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Let them play CYA it is making me LMAO.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)this hack Spandan never ceases to amaze me. OK, not amaze, but yes, high entertainment value...
Rex
(65,616 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)from Kaplan University. At least according to his LinkedIn. A quick Google turns up many results -- he's all over the place.
Evidently he was deaniac83 at one time, and has been banned from reputable blogs. I guess DU is his last refuge.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Well he bashes liberals...and as we can see that is good enough for some here. Sad ain't it?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)and am not sure if he actually posted here under deaniac83. But he did at Kos (and elsewhere) and was banned. Sort of like AngryBlackLady getting booted from the Raw Story blog roll. This Michigan dude could be Spandan, who knows. Regardless of the screen name, it's crap originating from a pudgy little scold. It's all manipulative bullshit, but the BOGers have hitched their wagon to him. Giddyup!
Rex
(65,616 posts)WOW. You cannot make this kind of shit up! Priceless!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Ol' Spandan/deaniac83 has quite a flair for the dramatic. He LOVED Dean, until he didn't. Then he announced, with great fanfare, that he wouldn't vote for Obama. Guess since deep-pocketed librul Hollywood put the screws to Obama and he evolved on "gay marriage," he's off of Spandan's shit-list. Phew. How lucky for Obama!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
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Rex
(65,616 posts)toward the POTUS. I GUESS some here will believe him, dunno why.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)so to speak. Wonder who tipped him off?
Rex
(65,616 posts)And now he is going to alter what he wrote so I cannot cite his horrible, yet honest, feeling on Obama.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)It was an emotional time!
Rex
(65,616 posts)To let us know he endorsed Obama! NOT voted for him mind you...but he got a nod so I guess that is half as good.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)He was spared any further wrath of Spandan, armed with his mighty pen.
Rex
(65,616 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Or perhaps the OP is just pimping for Spandan/deaniac83.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)The posts generally contain strong language that would likely result in an alert, since they insult a portion of DU's other posters. My theory is that he is using links to The Peoples View as a way to circumvent the jury system.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)wouldn't have ended well for the person attacking. Now it's coming from (supposedly) within the Democratic Party, and it's A-OK. Must be that "neo-DU" I keep hearing about.
Amazing what a difference +/- 5 years makes.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)and I include the self proclaimed writers/journalists in that number.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Have you beaten that pretzel yet?
KG
(28,752 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)The word "view" in the name of this site is not meant to define "opinion." For any blog or blogger to claim to represent "the people's" opinion would be foolish. The word view here is view as in a "bird's eye view" - in other words, perspective. Our goal is to analyze issues with the primary perspective of how totalities policies affect ordinary people, and what it means from that view, or perspective.
This blog is devoted to examining issues from a liberal perspective, on factual bases and on fair analysis. This site is also deeply zealous about liberal Democratic activism. At The People's View, we are committed to giving readers as much additional resources (mostly via links) as possible to educate as well as activate. The People's View is also a public policy blog for reasoned debate and discussion. At the moment, it is primarily covering issues of economic policy, health policy and civil rights issues. However, other issues of local, state or national interest will also be addressed. I am based in Silicon Valley, California; so Bay Area and California state issues may sometimes be of interest.
With respect to other areas of interest, one of the strategies we will pursue is asking guest bloggers with expertise and interest to blog here. You can see a list of current contributors to this blog on the right column, under the heading "contributors." If you are someone who would like to contribute, please choose a following method of contact:
Send an email to:
deaniac83@thepeoplesview.net
The archives of the site dispells the charges that The People's View is a homophobic or hate website:
Support Marriage Equality: Exposing the Bullshit of iProtectmarriage.com
...One, the most insidious of their lies: that homosexuality is a choice, that people can change it and as such the prohibition against same sex marriage should not be seen as akin to the prohibition against interracial marriage. The first counter on this is that this is a flat out lie.
I am gay, and I can tell you emphatically that it is as engrained in me as my race (Asian Indian), my gender (male) and my number of toes (10)...
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2008/09/exposing-bullshit-of.html
Other same sex issues at this link there:
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/p/search.html
Many bought into the assumption something is wrong with this blog or the author, that posting from it is wrong, without checking the blog out.
I understand this motive. Just like I take the word of the SPLC, who I have been familiar with for many years. They have lot of hate blogs, groups and leaders:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_Southern_Poverty_Law_Center_as_hate_groups
http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do
No one wants to be associated with anyone against the equal rights here at the DU.
And I make no apologies for attacking groups that do not support full rights in every regard, such as the Pauls, Tea Party or the Libertarians or GOP who seek to restrict who is a citizen or deserves full rights, knowing that I and those I care about are in their crosshairs.
I hope that answers your question and I feel strong opinions such as this man's are needed and required for full debate. We're here to discuss as Skinner says.
The TOS is clear that the mission of DU is to work within the system to elect more Democrats to office as a good thing.
Supporting Democrats in office, running for office, and the Democratic Party is to be expected at a site named Democratic Underground.
The owner of the blog does that, even if some think his language and tone is rough. See you later.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Seriously. Think about that.
The mighty Spandan v. Stiglitz.
To borrow from the BOG:
sheshe2
(83,898 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)but deaniac himself appears upthread in a convo
I am not in it but to summarize it went
duer:i have links to your archives that show you saying exceptionally over the top things about president Obama
deaniac:i have been changing them and will change the ones you cite
this is of course not verbatim but I think it shows that at the blog linked history is shifting to fit the narrative
I don't understand why anyone would give credence or support to such a one as this
this blog has no credibility and is a political ad trap
freshwest
(53,661 posts)And due to the way you formatted your reply, perhaps because of the device used, I cannot make heads or tails of who said what.
And you are still making the assumption that the OP author is the blog author. Deaniac is not here on DU.
I've gone over there to research this. The 'cash trap' accusation is in error, no matter how many times it is repeated.
I wonder why it is being brought upm instead of discussing the topic. It seems that posters are running away from the questions raised in the blog article.
It is the ideas in the blog that interest me, and the topic of the OP, not the personas. You responded to my answer to a poster who said they did not know who that was, and I answered with what I found on the blog itself. I spent a while, thinking about the ideas, going to all the embedded links and following those out.
Several serious charges have been made about the OP writer and blog writer, who are not the same person. One, that it is spam and being posted for money; two, that the blog author is a bigot, that is, a homophobe, when he is gay; and if you go to the link, there are comments where the blog author explains he had a change of heart over anger from Prop 8 passing in CA. I'm unsure if that is what you are referring as changed.
The blog author and the OP author have distinct writing styles. They are not the same person and the blog author lives in CA, not MI. Even if they were the same, and I have written and they are not, will we be calling Thom Hartmann and Alan Grayson spammers now for posting?
I will add an additional point, that the OP writer knows better than to post more than four paragraphs. The blog writer would post all of his material, if he needed the views. He was at Kos for a long time until he decided to start his own blog.
I contend it is the ideas at the link that is found objectionable, not these other things. No one has spoken seriously to them it has just been dismissed out of hand. He's not a RWer but is a pragmatic Democrat, just as Howard Dean was and still is. Dean has made statements as of late that might not be considered Left enough. But he is a pragmatist.
The blog expresses what DU used to be about, helping people through the Democratic Party and good governance.
The link in the article of the OP leads to many links he did not write and are not garbage. His conclusions are his own, and I agree with many, some I don't. They are all good food for thought.
We must get to the end result of actions, back to taking care of people and not be so much about ideology or winning as to disregard real people.
I have had to deal IRL with people on the Left and Right who were so focused on their win, or their ideology, that real people died. They felt they were correct and did not see the human beings that suffered from their rigid postitions. I cannot support this and I feel this is part of what the blog author means. Like the words here:
Easy To Be Hard
by Three Dog Night
How can people be so heartless
How can people be so cruel
Easy to be hard, easy to be cold
How can people have no feelings
How can they ignore their friends
Easy to be proud, easy to say no
Especially people who care about strangers
Who care about evil and social injustice
Do you only care about bleeding crowd...
I think Deaniac is much like Howard Dean. And Barney Frank said:
Understand that the more deeply you hold your ideals, the more you are morally obligated to be pragmatic... Idealism without pragmatism is just a way to flatter your ego.
When I was very young, that word pragmatism seemed like a cop-out. And when I first read that statement, it was mildly offensive to me again.
Then I thought of what I'd seen and how the 'idealism' of some cost lives of those who they thought were worth the sacrifice for their utopian vision. I can't do that.
That is what the OP's link is about, compassion. It speaks of the millions who have been helped, instead of a perfect plan according to ideology. And what Obama did for women and others, that are real people.
No one seems to want to talk about ideas here now, just taking sides, making accusations and not talking about IRL solutions. It makes DU unproductive and is not why I joined DU or why I became a Democrat.
Peace Out.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)You address a subthread I didn't see, thanks, but it shows it was not DUer 'Michigan Dem' who is 'flogging his blog' here, as a 'cash trap.'
From the link:
And no, I'm not the one that posted my article here originally, but I do thank the OP for doing so.
The charges being made here are MichiganDem is spamming, that TPV is his blog and that the blog author is a homophobe and his blog a hate site.
You have not shown that MichiganDem is here to spam the board and make money off posting stories from TPV.
You have not shown that Deaniac is a homophobe or a bigot.
Posters are scratching the outside of the shoe to get to what is making their feet itch so much, which is because they have no answer to the charges made in the blog.
You disregarded my concern, looking for a 'win,' not a discussion of ideas and values. Most posts on this thread are about personas and unfounded allegations, and not about ideas.
Which is pretty sad at a board devoted to discussion.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)them with LINKS to the blog post he made a few months later where he decided to put his support behind Obama. The original text was NOT changed, he added a link at the end. Because some people feel that cherry picking a blog entry from 2007 where someone didn't want to vote for Obama (and then later changed their mind in 2008) equates to voting for Mitt Romney in 2012...
Once again, the ORIGINAL text is intact. There is just a link added that leads to his post about changing his mind less than a year later. Rex would like you to think otherwise, however. If anyone had actually bothered reading these threads and the links provided, you'd have all the information.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)Why would you post anything from it?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Although I don't agree with everything in the blog, it's nice to not have an echo chamber where everyone is preaching to the choir.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)It's interesting to read something a little different for a change.
MuseRider
(34,119 posts)There is a LOT of preaching to the choir here and this fits right in with those who excel at it.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Check out the Twitteresque comments -- there's never any dissent. Creepy.
TPV exists to name-call and bash libruls. Is that what's considered "interesting perspective" these days? I mean, I'd expect it from Freepers and cave-dwellers, but so-called Democrats? Yeah, something is very off about ol' Spandan...
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)Straw Men all over that turd post.
It is not compromise when the right gets everything and the left gets tossed out with the trash.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)to have that moral blindness coupled with an inability to reason that there are more than one side to any story.
cali
(114,904 posts)Is Senator Leahy a "liberal without a conscience"? He is firmly opposed to the activites of the NSA that have have recently been revealed.
I like President Obama though I certainly oppose some of his policies, but calling him a liberal is ridiculous. He is not.
Rex
(65,616 posts)So I really don't see what authority they have on any political view that is between a voter and the POTUS. Since they decided NOT to vote!
I mean...who decides NOT to vote, then pretends to be a political guru? Besides freepers...
struggle4progress
(118,338 posts)http://www.thepeoplesview.net/2008/02/barack-obama-cautious-endorsement.html
Rex
(65,616 posts)Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama. - Spandan C.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)that was later recanted...
Rex
(65,616 posts)Keep trying somebody will buy it.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And the look on that woman's face in that video is absolutely PRICELESS!!!
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)The first time I saw that video was on The Daily Show. And Jon Stewart kept up the "keep fucking that chicken" meme for awhile... I've just typed it here a few times and even had a post hidden over it (it was thought I was implying the poster was into bestiality). I was surprised that it wasn't more popular on this board, especially with the popularity of Jon Stewart here. I've decided to just post the video from here on out.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Good stuff again.
Sid
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)"I'm digging at people on the Left that have suddenly found the anarchist Rand Paul and the statist Vladimir Putin to be their concurrent heroes, and you'd be right about that, too"
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)And finally, who here sees Putin as a hero? Can you point me toward some examples? Thanks!
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Examples?
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023662378
michigandem58
(1,044 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)panzerfaust
(2,818 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
freshwest
(53,661 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Don't let the door hit ya, and all that.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Please excuse my language but GODDAMN that is going to leave a mark!!!
Now that this has finally (FINALLY!! FINALLY!!!!) become a bannable offense, wonder what's going to happen next??
MADem
(135,425 posts)I suspect some very vocal people will tone it down once they pick up the vibe--I hope so, anyway. I'm tired of the vitriol.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)REC someone that refused to vote for Obama! Oh what a tangled web they weave.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)repeatedly throughout this thread. Do you have a link, or are you just relying on sheer repetition?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I have a suggestion for that involves twisting for you as well.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2013, 05:49 PM - Edit history (1)
You getting all excited and then the letdown...
EDIT - *crickets?*
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Sorry to disappoint.
To the OP:
K&R
Rex
(65,616 posts)nt.
What does that even mean?
Marr
(20,317 posts)or proves you wrong.
No real response to the fact you demanded proof for, eh? Still like that blog?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I've noticed some things about you as well.
You're pretty selective with the self- righteous indignation.
But then again, who gives a shit. Make a note of that while you're at it.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Just another spasm of belligerence.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)The poster I was responding to has been posting snide remarks up and down this thread.
I asked for a link to back up for the 15th version of the same damn post.
WTF is your deal, exactly? I dared to question the Heathers circling this thread?
There's plenty of "belligerence" to police on this forum, take your squad car on up the road.
Marr
(20,317 posts)I asked you if you still like that blog, even after discovering the owner doesn't support Obama.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I'm perfectly calm, I just have a low tolerance for passive aggressive nonsense.
If I thought you were the least bit interested in what I thought....about anything, we wouldn't be having this ridiculous exchange.
Calm down.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Not worth my time.
Not you Marr. The subject at hand.
cali
(114,904 posts)he/she lies constantly.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)Let me get this straight - you assume mainstream liberal Democratic civil libertarians actually love Assad and Putin?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)- Repeal of DADT
- Economic stimulus
- Wall Street reform
- Affordable Care Act
Would Hannity or Coulter support those policies?
I think not.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Funny how nobody wants to bring that up...I understand it would kill the narrative.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Let's continue our conversation up there.
cali
(114,904 posts)and reportedly didn't even vote for Obama.
the author of that blog is vile little troll.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)That's a good thing IMO.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Sorry, not buying it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)talking about the issues.
And yet it was so wrong to attack the messenger when it was Snowden.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I don't know anything about the author, but as you mentioned it was "wrong", according to some here, to attack the messenger, Snowden, who was a Ron Paul supporter, because it was the "message" about the NSA spying on "everyone" in the country that was important.
Well this guy does make some good points about those who don't want compromise, but instead want everything "their way", pretty much like the tea party seems to be, no compromise. I find it hard to believe that anyone could think that a president, any president, could get thing done without compromising when there are people in both parties that are not going to agree with everything a president wants to do. Republicans used to be pretty much in lock step, but now with the extreme right tea party members that is not true anymore, nor would it be true if a republican was in the WH and tea party members were still in office.
I know from experience over the years the compromise gets more done than the "my way or the highway" attitude. It may not be exactly what a person wants, but it is usually better than nothing at all. I know that people are angry we didn't get a single payer system for health care reform, but since there was no way republicans would have voted for on, and some democrats would not have either, we got the best thing we could, which I believe to be a foundation for a real universal health care program in the future.
creon
(1,183 posts)you make the accusation
you prove it
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)equality, does that make them liberals? I think not.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Wall Street reform and the economic stimulus?
Would Cheney support those policies?
I think not.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)to deliver the larger message 'Liberals are bad, bad and war is good, good'. Anyone bad mouthing liberals is not a liberal nor a friend to liberals.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and LOVE the implementation of the Mandate to BUY Health Insurance without a Public Option.
Wall Street LOVES it too.
Stock in most For Profit Health Insurance Corporations has MORE than DOUBLED in the past 3 years.
So, there is that!
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)This, I am sure, we can agree upon. If Obama came up with a bill saying puppies were good, McConnell and the other dickless weasels on the right would oppose it.
So while I'm glad ACA was passed in the sense that it was far better than nothing, all you have to do is remember that this was the fucking Heritage Foundation proposal in answer to HillaryCare.
That's how far right our Democrats have allowed this country to move-- when we pass a Republican backed proposal from the 90's we call that a victory, rather than fight for actual Democratic ideals.
That's where we disagree Cali_Democrat. I don't see warmed over repuke ideas like the ACA and NSA spying on Americans as great Democratic victories, no matter the letter behind the the name of the current occupant (or his race) of the White House.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)How many hidden posts are allowed, before one gets shit-canned around here?
ocpagu
(1,954 posts)As a tool to fight threats? Which threats are they fighting by phone tapping presidents of sovereign countries, spying allied governments, collecting data of regular citizens, of private companies?
"...but find yourself worshiping at the alter of racists, fascists, and traitors who take shelter in our adversaries, your conscience is failing.
Yep. It's terrible to wake up in the morning worshipping at the altar of racists, fascists and traitors...
...who take shelter in our adversaries.
warrant46
(2,205 posts)sagat
(241 posts)Response to sagat (Reply #64)
HangOnKids This message was self-deleted by its author.
Rex
(65,616 posts)"Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama."
Sure, that sounds like someone that supports Obama...NOT...
treestar
(82,383 posts)that was just ridiculous.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)"the most effective liberal to have entered the White House in nearly a century"
Ooookay.
"a given compromise does to help the ordinary person".
Right. it's all about the ordinary person for Obama and this jackweasel blogger.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)so the OP won't get alerted on for being a jerk.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Exactly!
Rex
(65,616 posts)Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama. - Spandan C.
demosincebirth
(12,543 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)That is some funny shit right there.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)And all I could come up with is disassembling.
It is an attempt to disassemble what a liberal and a progressive means...and make DU safe for the anti liberal wing of the party.
Shocking to me that so many here find it something to be recommended.
But for me it is not so and more like
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)By using frames which appeal to conservative/authoritarian personalities, it can capture the many who lack true understanding of liberal/conservative ideology, and as such, misidentify themselves as "liberal."
Only the really stupid will agree with that garbage, so it's not like it's a great loss.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)"If you find it morally repugnant that the government conducts surveillance operations within the law and the Constitution as a tool to fight threats in a dangerous world"
You want to build community, as a "true" liberal? Look in your own trashy back yard. Start there, hater.
post is ignoble
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)What a cutie!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)that has a certain sachet about it. A bullshit sachet.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)a gated community
creon
(1,183 posts)Got it in one.
non sequitur
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)or the Rx that aids digestion?
QC
(26,371 posts)It's supposed to be Crayon, for his favorite writing implement.
Sorry but this is just funny. QC!!!
QC
(26,371 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)sounds like something someone who spends too much time gaming in the basement might toss out.
But Crayon works, too.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)And a poster of equal value.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)You're nothing but an egg-headed, panty waist chicken, chicken, chicken!
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)tossing chained cpi onto the table wasn't as I recall, part of any compromise, nor was this http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CD4QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Farticles.washingtonpost.com%2F2013-09-07%2Fworld%2F41852332_1_obama-administration-americans-search-authority&ei=QpIzUsi1F9CUqwGw0IDAAQ&usg=AFQjCNG4jr30yjo3nFhotrT4NiX7BgvlwA&bvm=bv.52164340,d.aWM Gee, are you saying that all of the charges of illegality and/or unconstitutionality are completely meritless where the NSA are concerned?
And who's "worshiped at the alter of racists..." or "sung praises of a ruthless ruler..."?
Oh, that's right, that's merely the same kinda distortions/exaggerations the common rightwingnut would employ/deploy when they don't have a real argument.
That's what most of us find repugnant.
How long has this author been a kissing cousin of that crew?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)All you have to do is replace the name Obama with Bush and Assad with Saddam and the People's View sounds pretty much exactly like Free Republic in the lead up to the Iraq War.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Trashing liberals seems to be a campaign theme...more crap from the homophobic rgh known as the peoplesview, probably a DNC-run rag, funded by the Koch brothers.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)A big ol' steaming pile of Strawman.
Oh wait, it's from "the peoples view" third way propaganda website.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Talk about principles and values, there it is, and badly needed.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)OP is not interested in debate, just advertising dollars.
Rex
(65,616 posts)when the blog owner himself, couldn't bring himself to vote for Obama and said "good riddance" to his presidency. Funny that.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,036 posts)For some reason I don't see his spam in my Inbox any more and I don't get spam from him. I don't think I've ignored him because I don't think I've ignored anybody and my Ignore list seems empty.
Were his emails deleted system-wide? Has his mailing privilege been revoked?
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)And a bit desperate.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Learned that one today - chattering class - gonna use it, but not in the way it was intended.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Wiki to the rescue!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chattering_classes
Rex
(65,616 posts)And from a supposed liberal...tsk tsk tsk I will have to bring that up. Thanks for the history lesson, it was NOT used properly in the OP I saw it and THAT is not a surprise either!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)they just want to get in their little digs.
They've been tossing out "nattering nabobs of negativism," too.
Agnew was often characterized as Nixon's "hatchet man" when defending the administration on the Vietnam War.[22] Agnew was chosen to make several powerful speeches in which he spoke out against anti-war protesters and media portrayal of the Vietnam War, labeling them "Un-American". However, he did speak out publicly against the actions of the Ohio Army National Guard that led to the Kent State shootings in 1970, even describing their action as "murder." Agnew toned down his rhetoric and dropped most of the alliterations after the 1972 election, with a view to running for president himself in 1976.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nattering_nabobs_of_negativism#Vice_Presidency
My guess is very few of Spandan's minions even know who Agnew and Safire were...
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)was used in a reply and I was jealous of the person it was aimed at
if you were there when agnew said it you knew who he was talking about
marmar
(77,090 posts)Nor is it attacking actual liberals with PNAC talking points. ....... This OP is a rancid pile of mierda.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Funny shit!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)My librul conscience is just fine.
And it's "altar," not "alter," genius.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Hilarious!
Rex
(65,616 posts)The rest seem to have fallen silently ill (wink wink) with buyers remorse.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)the new ones with the military commands caught my eye
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)I'm having a sweet Heffe Weissen beer to celebrate... I'd share one with ya if I could friend.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)People digging through other postings of mine trying to fish. It is amusing. Baiting is not their gig it appears. They try hard though.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)who have very little brain matter between their ears... perfect programmable tools.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Are you going to Janie's locker after Math? I heard she called you a....... lol lol
Hilarious, indeed.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
rury
(1,021 posts)You speak the truth and I thank you for that, michigandem58!!!!!!!!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm just going to roll my eyes at the source , the material , and the poster before moving on and letting other people explain why.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Trash thread
alsame
(7,784 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Propping up the very corporations destroying our neighbors. Funding climate change deniers. Funding takeover of our government. Getting in the way of the common good for the chance to share in the proceeds.
People without a conscience are scary enough. Add in someone who claims to be for the 99% but then proceeds to fund attacks against them, the depths of hypocrisy astound.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Lest you think this is because I was personally offended as a gay man, you are right. But it wasn't only because of that that I made this decision. I draw the line in the sand when politicians pander to any group and sacrifice their stated goals of equal dignity under law and associate themselves, willingly, with known bigots of any kind, be they racists, sexists or homophobes. This is such a line. Obama has crossed it. Good riddance, Barack Obama. - Spandan C.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)These are the voters who believed voting for the Democratic presidential candidate would mean the end of welfare for the wealthy and wars for profit. They've waited five years and things remain the same.
Here in Detroit, it's going on 45 years.
How long have you waited in Toronto, SidDithers?
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Five years of purging.
The teachers, unions, labor, seniors, women, the "professional left..." all under the bus. Now it's time to go after liberals.
Interesting to note that DU USED to be the "premier left-wing discussion board on the web," which changed with DU3 and, not coincidentally, the election of a centrist Democrat to the WH; now DU is for liberals, rather than the left.
Until, apparently, it's time to throw liberals under the bus as well.
Who will be left?
The BOG echo chamber, Chuckles and the "pragmatic liberals," the neoliberals, and who else?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I've never been accused of being very perceptive, and rightly so.
So if *I* can see how both you and your audience of low-post-count cheerleaders have outed yourselves, you may want to collect any chips you think you posses, and leave the table before the pit boss takes you into the basement.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)They are so trite.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)we always knew, but for those not sure, well there it is. I love it!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)There exists a portion of the community that seems to have one purpose: to rant and shriek that the rest of us aren't liberal enough. Instead of actually doing something, like voting, they bleat that we haven't got good enough candidates. Well, we've got to work with what we have.
I am not a perfection troll. I will go forward and make something new if I need to.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . are lacking in conscience is truly the epitome of a dishonest, bad faith argument. It is nothing more than a cheap attempt to quash serious discussion of dissenting views without substantively engaging those views. Rational adults understtand that other rational adults can, and often do, arrive at different interpretations and opinions about tbings, and so conscientiously and in good.faith.
The 'heart of liberalism' is the informed, rational person who brings to bear a full xomplement of intellect, experience a.d compassion as he or she evaluates an issue, while remmbering that 'community' is a far more profoumd concept than a mutual admiration society of the like-mimded.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Begging for recs...how tacky.
xfundy
(5,105 posts)WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)to use the ignore email function (block function, whatever it's called...).
eridani
(51,907 posts)--is to do even more evil.
neverforget
(9,436 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Eko
(7,351 posts)(post and comments alike) was that you were bad if you were too liberal or bad if you weren't liberal enough. But no T-shirt. Kind of reminds me of what is going on in the conservative party right now. Them, they have a reason but what about us?
Precisely
(358 posts)is gated
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)recognize a liberal or a conscience considering that you constantly link to this pit of evil
what a disgusting world view the blog shows and what a seriously poisoned mind it must take to write such shittery on a regular basis
if you are influenced by contact with this site I doubt it is to your better good
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Why does this right-wing bullshit get posted on DU?
This is a feeble attempt to redefine liberals, yet again, by the wingnut blogosphere.
Rex
(65,616 posts)anything that bashes liberals. You never noticed before?
QC
(26,371 posts)than our very own Pep Squad does.
Funny how that works, isn't it? And it's nothing new.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Isn't that rice?
QC
(26,371 posts)even when banned for doing shit like referring to LGBT equality as "a fabulous pink pony."
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)be judging them so fast...
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Same old crap. They are reccing venomous right wing bullshit. Feel free to join them.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)what your word salad is all about so what can I say? Except cheers!
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Ok I will try to rephrase : if you look the profile of those who clicked on "rec", we find that many are members of this community for a long time, so maybe we should not judge them so fast...
Puglover
(16,380 posts)Believe me, the people that clicked this "rec list" have been judged by me and about 85 percent of the members of this site a long long time ago.
Thanks for rephrasing.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)TS=Tombstoned=booted off the site. Your profile showed a granite tombstone that said, "He disrupted poorly." Very clever.
A little more amusing and creative then the now used PPR. Posting Privileges Revoked.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Participation in jury, and some are hosting forum and group...
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I can think of a couple right offhand, LoZoccolo and OperationMindCrime.
And LZ was a major contributor to the Obama pep squad so you never can tell.
Sand Wind
(1,573 posts)Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)Raksha
(7,167 posts)I should have saved the outrage in my last reply for a more deserving object, and just settled back with a bag of popcorn like everyone else.
Response to michigandem58 (Original post)
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Raksha
(7,167 posts)YOU are a "liberal without a conscience" if you attempt to whitewash Obama's record by cherry-picking Putin's sins or Assad's while ignoring his.
Obama isn't "the most effective liberal to have entered the White House in nearly a century." He isn't any kind of a liberal at all, nor any kind of a democrat (not the small-d kind anyway), nor any kind of a humanitarian. He is a puppet for the oligarchs and the warmongers and that's all.
Granted, he's an amazingly effective puppet, to have fooled so many people for so long. But once the blinders are off, they aren't going back on again. So take your fake outrage and peddle it somewhere else--or better yet, stick it where the sun don't shine.
There isn't one goddamn fucking thing wrong with my conscience, no matter how much you wish there were.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Nah, we all love FDR.