Ultra-Orthodox protesters attack buses in Israel after woman refuses to move to back of a bus

[The Straight Story]

JERUSALEM — Israeli police say they have arrested an ultra-Orthodox Jewish man for demanding women move to the back of a bus, sparking protests that saw bus windows smashed.

Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld says Wednesday’s incident occurred in the devoutly religious neighborhood of Beit Shemesh. He says ultra-Orthodox demonstrators in the neighborhood smashed the windows of three nearby buses while protesting the arrest. There were no injuries and no further arrests.

Ultra-Orthodox practice forbids men from touching women, except for their wives, and calls for separating the sexes in public. In recent years, however, hard-liners in the insular ultra-Orthodox community have tried to forcefully impose their will on others.

The ultra-Orthodox represent less than 10 percent of Israel’s Jewish population, but they have tremendous influence in politics.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/ultra-orthodox-protesters-attack-buses-in-israel-after-woman-refuses-to-move-to-back-of-a-bus/2013/07/31/9bd8a7be-f9f1-11e2-89f7-8599e3f77a67_story.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost

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1. I don't often advocate violence to counter violence...

But these assholes deserve a serious ass whooping.

We will probably never gain their respect. But we might yet be able to have their fear.

[Ron Obvious]

2. Yes

A serious ass whooping by female soldiers. Hopefully someone would record it.

[Gravitycollapse]

3. Can we have the female soldiers assault them with giant dildos?

[Ron Obvious]

5. Excellent!

By conscripted female soldiers with giant dildos, and with a grudge for having to serve in the first place while certain other ungrateful types are exempt.

[Raksha]

7. I have a better idea: Make them unclean, like this:

Every Israeli woman who rides the buses, whether she's a soldier or not, should carry a used sanitary pad in her purse and shove it in the face of any ultra-Orthodox asshole who tries to put her in her place, or what he thinks should be her place.

I made this same suggestion a few months back on a Jewish discussion board where I am a regular, in the presence of a couple of haredim (ultra-Orthodox). If these bastards want to use religion as a weapon in their war on women, well...both sides can play that game.

[HiPointDem]

9. actually, a lot of the ultra-orthodoxy is coming from women rather than their men. burqa-like

veiling, for example, is promoted by women.

[Eleanors38]

4. These guys are into neither history nor modern metaphor

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6. Hitchens was right: Religion poisons everything.

It can do good in the world, but it mostly does bad. These are the things that religion does which are extraordinarily bad.

[HiPointDem]

8. There's a splinter group of haredi that has adopted the burqa, as well. They look like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haredi_burqa_sect

The other haredi are fighting them; apparently women at the back of the bus is ok but veiled women are anathema. and the government is fighting them too. i can guess why.

Two Distinct Groups with Similar Goals

Currently, there are two more or less distinct groups of hyper-modest women...

1.Women who wear shalim. Most of the women who wear them have been influenced by the books of Michael Uri Sofer, a rabbi from Bnei Brak. His wife wears neither a veil nor a shal, and I did not see shalim when I visited the clothing store that operates in his house. Sofer prohibits exposing the neck, wearing high heels, and talking on cellphones (all for women, of course). While the book doesn’t advocate shalim, it praises them and recommends layers. It’s likely that most of the pamphlet’s quotes and arguments come from Sofer’s books. Shalim are already common in certain parts of the country. I haven’t seen any pashkevilim condemning shalim, although I know many husbands don’t like them.

2. Women who cover their faces with veils, wear shalim, and and have taken on additional practices that are in contradiction to Jewish law. These include not bathing more than one body part at a time, not using soap, not breastfeeding, and limiting sexual relations to fertile times (not during pregnancy, for example).

The two groups come from the same population, use similar language, and have similar motives and resources. They both proselytize via pamphlets and even home visits, and there may be easy passage from the first group to the second. But the veil-wearers have become a full-fledged cult with all that it entails. Perhaps the shal-wearers are headed in that direction.

The concept of tzniut has been drummed into the heads of these women with a hammer since they were children: tzniut is the most important commandment for women, it will bring the messiah, and so on. Both groups have taken the concept of tzniut (modesty) to its logical conclusion. Now the established community will try to stop a moving train that has long ago left the station.

http://www.amotherinisrael.com/is-hyper-tzniut-a-twisted-form-of-feminism/

[The Straight Story]

10. Reminds me of this:

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

12. Funny, she doesn't look Jewish

[hobbit709]

11. You can't tell a fundy from any one religion apart from one from any other religion.

The only real difference is the name they call their god, the attitudes are identical.