Obama Promises Disappear from Web

[TransitJohn]

Obama Promises Disappear from Web
by John Wonderlich
July 25, 2013, 11:31 a.m.

Change.gov, the website created by the Obama transition team in 2008, has effectively disappeared sometime over the last month.

While front splash page for for Change.gov has linked to the main White House website for years, until recently, you could still continue on to see the materials and agenda laid out by the administration. This was a particularly helpful resource for those looking to compare Obama's performance in office against his vision for reform, laid out in detail on Change.gov.

According to the Internet Archive, the last time that content (beyond the splash page) was available was June 8th -- last month.

Why the change?

Here's one possibility, from the administration's ethics agenda:

Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.

http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/07/25/obama-promises-disappear-from-web/

[bemildred]

1. +1. Yep. nt

[lastlib]

2. they've disappeared from his agenda as well.......

[Catherina]

50. +1 n/t

[avaistheone1]

88. +1

[Enthusiast]

157. Plus a brazillion! n/t

[lamp_shade]

3. We'll probably never know who, if any, the whistleblowers are. I imagine their names are

kept confidential.

[leveymg]

53. We know who the NSA whistleblowers are: they were prosecuted.

NSA Whistleblowers William (Bill) Binney and J. Kirk Wiebe http://www.whistleblower.org/program-areas/homeland-security-a-human-rights/surveillance/nsa-whistleblowers-bill-binney-a-j-kirk-wiebe

[lamp_shade]

81. They were prosecuted?

[leveymg]

84. Prosecuted does not necessarily mean tried and convicted.

The US Attorney's office convened a Grand Jury and they were indicted - their homes were raided, they were arrested, booked, and their papers and computers seized. That's prosecuted. In 2010 the US Attorney issued them immunity in exchange for their testimony against reporters they had communicated with, and also investigated the reporters.

Prosecuted.

[sabrina 1]

109. Yes, and they had their lives, careers and reputations ruined. There was no case against

Drake, he had done everything according to the rules, but they prosecuted him anyhow, knowing they most likely could not win a case against him, and after ruining his reputation, his career and his life, the night before the case was to begin, after nearly two years of persecution, the case was dropped.

And not once did they look into the crimes he revealed. Which is why we have another Whistle Blower, and there will be more, until these invasions of people's rights are ended.

[cui bono]

146. Yep. Watch this movie...

http://www.waronwhistleblowers.com/

Not Greenwald's best work, but the information is still very good.

[n2doc]

4. Oh come on! They were just freeing up some space on the servers!

Probably just some housecleaning, removing old, outdated, archaic, useless documents.....

[KoKo]

7. yep...that's it.

[PowerToThePeople]

9. I know, hard drive space costs such a premium these days...

[n2doc]

10. Austerity strikes again! n/t

[zeemike]

23. There could be an other reason

Could be the promise has been kept, and there are no whistle blowers now....just traitors.

[FiveGoodMen]

117. Sarcasm?

[zeemike]

124. Yes.

But my list of smiles does not have that sarcasm one....don't know why that is.

[snappyturtle]

127. If you click on smilies it's not in the first group.

Down on the bottom right...last row of smilies...is a little box with three dots (more)..doesn't say more but that's what it means and voila! the sarcasm thingie! plus others.

[zeemike]

134. Thanks.

I did not know that...now I do...
got me some new ones...

[Ravens.Ransom]

139. Good to know. Thanks!

[Th1onein]

140. Let me try that. I've never done ANY smilie. Thanks for the tip.

[Jamastiene]

128. Yeah, kick has been changed to donkey or something now too.

I have to look it up each time I want to put the donkey kicking smiley into a post.

Here is the smiley.

You can click the little button at the end of the list with three dots on it or type the word sarcasm between two : symbols to use it though.

[zeemike]

133. I did not know that....

Thanks...this is not
Hell I learn something every day here...maybe it is because I am stupid.

[FiveGoodMen]

132. I feel better now

[Catherina]

51. Lol! Or inadvertently destroyed by Halliburton during the Gulf spill! n/t

[FSogol]

5. Huh, so the Obama 2008 transition team is no longer operational?

Wow! I bet they stopped printing campaign signs too. Insert nefarious reasons here __________.

[George II]

28. I agree....good points, let's move into the future folks, NOT five years ago please!

[Zoeisright]

56. Yeah, exactly.

The Obama hate on this site is sickening.

[Yavapai]

130. Obama is sickening!

After voting for Democrats for the last 48 years, I am considering not voting again!

First Clinton turned from the left and went Republican light, then Obama talked a good game then continued the Bush war crimes as if Bush was still in office. What happened? Did they take him into a room and show the un-edited footage of the JFK assassination?

Please note that there isn't a sarcasm smilie here...

[drm604]

159. Yes, let's all just stop voting.

That'll solve everything. Please not that there IS a sarcasm smiley here.

[freshwest]

94. Obama should have maintained that 2008 timeline, but he's been busy:

Obama, Cloning & The Coming Space War

Who is this man we call the President? Whats hidden within his name and his statements? Is he the coming Anti-Christ predicted by Nostradamus? Are we witnessing the rise of the Fourth Reich? Or are things much stranger than we thought?

http://www.artopium.com/space20/purchasepage.cgi?ID=V5045

Just reporting the latest from the infallible internet. Look everybody! Another DVD to learn The Truth©! Only $24.99 plus shipping!

The material just writes itself. Does this post need and icons? Apply liberally as needed.

[sheshe2]

104. OMG!

I read the guys Bio...

Thanks for the laugh freshwest.

[freshwest]

113. Yes, and all of two years in college to get an 'AA degree with highest honors.' Talk about grifter!

More artistic than the Infowars crowd, but been on the show many times, and he knows EVERYTHING!!11!!

Also, he's from another galaxy and picked his Earth parents himself. Oh, yeah!



As much as I wanna believe, my lack of faith keeps interfering. Will I ever get it right?

[Scurrilous]

148. ROFL!!1!

[cui bono]

147. So you agree they were just campaign promises, as in to be used only for the campaign

and not to be delivered upon. Yep. That's how I see it too.

[whatchamacallit]

6. You nailed it

unfortunately.

[TransitJohn]

11. I didn't nail it, just reposting

someone else's post.

[whatchamacallit]

12. Ok, they nailed it

Thanks for sharing.

[ProSense]

8. Spread this link around

for everyone who really wants to revisit the information: http://web.archive.org/web/20130425082834/http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/

[whatchamacallit]

13. Yes, revisit the lie. n/t

[ProSense]

18. Here:

President Signs Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act (WPEA)

by Hannah Johnson

After 13 Year Campaign, Federal Workers Get Long-Overdue Upgrades

(Washington, DC) – The Government Accountability Project (GAP) is praising President Obama's signing of S. 743, the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act (WPEA), into law earlier today. The legislation provides millions of federal workers with the rights they need to report government corruption and wrongdoing safely. The bill reflects an unequivocal bipartisan consensus, having received the vote of every member in the 112th Congress, passing both the Senate and House of Representatives by unanimous consent over the past couple of months. The text of the bill can be read here.

GAP Legal Director Tom Devine commented:

"This reform took 13 years to pass because it can make so much difference against fraud, waste and abuse. Government managers at all levels made pleas and repeatedly blocked the bill through procedural sabotage. But once there were no more secret 'holds,' the WPEA passed unanimously, because no politician in a free society can openly oppose freedom of speech. Over the years, earlier versions of this law had been called the Taxpayer Protection Act. Nothing could set a better context for fiscal cliff negotiations than a unanimous, bipartisan consensus to protect those who risk their careers to protect the taxpayers. This victory reflects a consensus ranging from President Obama to Representative Darrell Issa. The mandate for this law is that the truth is the public's business."

Among other key reforms, federal employees now are protected (in addition to already-existing scenarios) from reprisal if they: are not the first person to disclose misconduct; disclose misconduct to coworkers or supervisors; disclose the consequences of a policy decision; or blow the whistle while carrying out their job duties.

<...>

Devine continued, stating

"The victory reflects strong bipartisan teamwork, as well as advocacy within the party, as Republicans often had to work harder at convincing wary colleagues. And it reflects relentless pressure from conservative stakeholders – like the National Taxpayers Union – throughout the last 13 years. Crucial support came from President Obama, who was committed from day one of his term to signing this bill into law. Most Presidents have offered lip service for whistleblower rights, but President Obama fought to give them more teeth."

- more -

http://www.whistleblower.org/blog/42-2012/2380-president-signs-whistleblower-protection-enhancement-act-wpea-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021890422

[whatchamacallit]

19. Lol!

[ProSense]

20. LOL!

[Logical]

22. Only you would not say "this is wrong"! n-t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

83. no. I will say it too. there's no need to keep change.gov up after 5 years.

I'm sorry you and the sunlight foundation are not ok with that.

[Logical]

91. And if they kept it up, and someone was complaining, you....

Would defend that also. So predictable.

[George II]

36. Better yet, spread THIS link around.........

http://obamaachievements.org/list

[Jamastiene]

129. Now, ProSense will probably copy that entire site and put it into one long

ass message. Gee, thanks, pal.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

142. Nobody's forcing you to come to the D.U. to read it.

And ProSense likely wouldn't have to so explicitly quote facts about President Obama, if so many DUers didn't constantly post lies about him.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[NealK]

158. Facts?

Lol!

[4bucksagallon]

163. Here here...........

I am positive that DU has been infiltrated by RWer's cloaked in the flag of patriotism, and they have built up large numbers of "legitimate" posts, and followers or fellow insurgents. These Manchurian DUer's have been waiting for a chance to strike, and since he was re-elected and can't run again Obama is their target. Their "trigger" was probably his re-election, not the queen of diamonds. No one needs to reply to me since this is my opinion. I have been an observer of DU for some time, don't post much but I do see what is going on. And I know the names of a few of the culprits. ProSense you go girl/boy. I am with you, and many of the others that defend what is right against this onslaught.

[Logical]

166. LOL, because 100% blind support is a great idea. n-t

[Logical]

165. lol, +1000

[freshwest]

169. Wow, I forgot this one! n/t

[Octafish]

14. Easier to shove electrons down the Memory Hole than paper.

Like a toilet, too much paper clogs the damn thing.

Thanks for the heads-up, TransitJohn.

[Dash87]

42. The opposite is true of what people might think -

While one would think simply deleting a page would erase it completely, the nature of the Internet is opposite of this.

This page is archived 1000 times over. It's impossible to scrub some items that are hours old - this page will exist forever at thousands of locations.

[Volaris]

15. oops...

look, even IF this an innocent oversight (like the campaign team ran the thing, and now their job is done), the OPTICS of this just look bad...SOMEONE over in the White House wasn't busy enough to have missed this, this was an easy one to aviod...

Come on guys, it's not THAT hard lol

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Try here

http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/change-gov-becomes-whitehouse-gov.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/change

The point being WTF have the keybooard warriors done to MAKE "change" rather than sitting back on their asses whining about what someone ELSE should be doing. It's the epitome of fucking laziness.

http://www.serve.gov/

DU has become the new Brietbart.

[George II]

37. Yes, some here sure do a good job of advancing the conservative agenda!

[BumRushDaShow]

43. +bazillion

[bobduca]

48. yeah tehre should be a forum requirement to post acts of democratic solidarity

before we let anyone in!!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR DNC LATELY?

[Oilwellian]

72. And yet...

Here you are.

[freshwest]

97. Eeerily similiar to the former in jumping to conclusions to bash Obama:

http://aattp.org/breitbart-com-loony-in-chief-ben-shapiro-launches-into-utterly-bizarre-tirade-on-air/

[marions ghost]

17. Suddenly timed out...

"Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process."

Where's that process for reviewing whistleblower claims?

[Garion_55]

21. eh whatever. Im done with this president

He has been one big disappointment after another. definitely not what I though we would be getting when i voted for him in 08.

im already looking forward to our next president. maybe they will be better on progressive issues.

[uponit7771]

26. Yeap, Warren will free snowden, end the NSA, Free gitmo prisoners, help cure cancer on day 1 or we..

...hate her too.

yeap

[MannyGoldstein]

31. Remember when Sen. Obama was as forthright and hard-fighting as Warren is now?

When, as a Senator, he stuck his neck out and voted for the right thing even if only a few colleagues joined him?

Me neither.

[uponit7771]

32. Nope, I paid half ass'd attention. I knew what to expect from Obama and he's exceeded that...

...people who are used to constantly bitching didn't pay at least half ass'd attention and are disappointed...

soooo

the bitch some more...

Given Obama's sitution, he's exceeded REASONABLE expectations.

Hell, even Chuck Todd noticed that Clinton and Carter didn't have this congress to deal with!!!

[MannyGoldstein]

35. Well, apparently you knew more about Obama than he knew about himself!

Which is why his campaign promises have been disappeared.

Ever think that Obama's fear of confrontating people with power has emboldened the crazies in Congress? That's what appeasement gets us.

[uponit7771]

38. Nah, again... I paid half ass'd attention and saw the 2010 election and knew we didn't have a ....

...functioning democracy and new Obama wouldn't be worked with no matter what.

Even MJ notices the GOP wont work with Obama

Which is why his campaign promises have been disappeared.

This is false, Obama promise meter is still up

Ever think that Obama's fear of confrontating people with power has emboldened the crazies in Congress? That's what appeasement gets us.

I don't think he has a fear, he blow people up all the time and I don't like the way he's doing it but ... but... unlike those who bitch CONSTANTLY... CONSTANLY I think I can work with Obama via congress.

Do you think if Obama had an 83% progressive congress, like FDR did, he'd fight against them too?!

regards

[MannyGoldstein]

44. Obama is only afraid of people with power

When it comes to the powerless... Victims of signature drone strikes, poor 80 year olds on Social Security... He has the cojones to make the tough decisions.

[Capt. Obvious]

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[MannyGoldstein]

87. Thanks.

I appreciate your letting me know!

[Hydra]

92. Glad your post didn't get sunk

These bastions of "Reasonableness" who say we need to settle for bad policies need to get a new shtick- breaking the law is breaking the law.

[morningfog]

62. Today is number 1647 of Obama's Presidency.

[phleshdef]

86. Warren would probably still be teaching if it wasn't for President Obama elevating her.

[George II]

40. With additudes like that, the next president may unfortunately have (R) after his name.

[bunnies]

63. And I think that would be just fine with Garion.

(s)he admitted to voting for Gary Johnson in the last election.

[Garion_55]

68. johnson is not a republican

[bunnies]

71. Right. He was only going to run as a Republican.

Because he's not a republican.

[Garion_55]

78. and they told him to go fuck off.

you'd think that would be a plus on this board. crazy.

[bunnies]

79. And when he was the Repubican Gov. of NM?

Was he not a repulican then too?

[Garion_55]

69. because of all the progressives in the gop?

because thats who i am looking to support. a true progressive. if you think you can find one in the gop, share with the rest of us.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

102. Not if Jeb Bush, or the next Republican front-runner, changes his designation to a (D).

In which case, some people will be perfectly happy to cheer on whatever policies that they have.

All that matters to some is the &quot D)" designation regardless of their actions.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

82. bahahha. you are so transparent.

[JaneyVee]

25. There's always this list:

http://obamaachievements.org/list

[George II]

30. You could get thrown off DU for posting something POSITIVE about Obama's accomplishments!!!

[treestar]

47. It's funny the same people who complain about "the list"

have no problem posting their negative, hyperbolic lists of how everything is going wrong.

[cui bono]

150. I think it's more that people trot out "the list" in an attempt to prove there's nothing

to criticize about Obama. That is so clearly not the case that it's sort of akin to putting one's fingers in one's ears and saying "lalalalalalala, I can't hear you..."

Why can't they just respond with a reasonable argument - related to the issue being discussed - as to why the criticism is not valid? Why the need to bring up unrelated issues with "the list"? Why complain about the criticism itself?

[treestar]

160. LOL

So only being negative is valid at all. It only means there are some things to be happy about, positive about.

Whenever I push back against any criticism because I don't agree with it, it's called "cheerleading" and the like. Some people are so negative they don't want to hear about Obama's positive contributions, and expect total lock step agreement of their "criticism" which is supposed to be valid just because it is negative.

Why is "the list" so bothersome? Why, just because it's positive. Why is are the "criticisms" always valid and wrong to question them? Why, just because they are negative.

These are the same people for whom there is nothing that can be done, everyone with a job practically is a corporatist or a bankster, all leaders are corrupt, the US is the worst country in the history of the world, and they are just so cool because they don't like any of it.

[cui bono]

162. I could LOL at you too, but I thought I was having a discussion.

The rest of your post became a blah blah blah to me after that. In fact, I don't understand your first sentence at all, perhaps you mistyped?

People are people, just discuss the issue at hand and you won't have to point to the list, unless there's something on "the list" that negates a point someone is making, but even then, you need not mention "a list", you need only refute the point being made.

My experience is that too many people on this board defend Obama blindly and simply won't/can't accept that any criticism of him is valid at all, and so all they can do is respond with "the list" or with something positive Obama did. Problem is that has nothing to do with what was being criticized. Or the response is what you are saying above, that all they hear is criticism. Fact of the matter is, there is way too much to criticize about Obama, and unless you want to play a team sport where your team must always be defended no matter what, you must stand for principles and criticize when elected officials don't.

So, if there is a post criticizing the NSA operations, or the drone strikes, there's no point bringing out the list since that does nothing to add to a discussion of those programs. And responding by stating that some people just want to criticize isn't discussing either of those programs at all either. All you have to do is refute those things with discussion about those things. If you find yourself being called a "cheerleader" that's not good for discussion and shouldn't be done. I would hope that you aren't one, but there are a lot of people on here who are defending unconstitutional behavior and republican policies just because Obama is doing it, so I can understand why people feel there are "cheerleaders" on here. I certainly do. I mean I've had people tell me he never did things that had already been reported as having been done, then when a link was provided they STILL denied it happened. That's just not rational.

[George II]

27. ANOTHER misleading subject line....

"Obama Promises Disappear from Web" - that is not true. The Obama promises are no longer shown on a SINGLE website, not from "the Web", implying that they no longer appear anywhere on the internet.

We're five years from when that site initially showed that information. Let's move along and STOP trying to mislead!

[Oilwellian]

73. "STOP trying to mislead!"

Oh, the irony of it all.

[truedelphi]

96. Quite ironic, isn't it? n/t

[cui bono]

151. That is quite a stretch. I'm not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic.

But it is funny either way.

[markiv]

29. 'four legs good two legs better'

anyone else notice the paint on the word 'better' looks kinds fresh?

Yes, it was Squealer. A little awkwardly, as though not quite used to sup-
porting his considerable bulk in that position, but with perfect balance, he was
strolling across the yard. And a moment later, out from the door of the farm-
house came a long le of pigs, all walking on their hind legs. Some did it better
than others, one or two were even a tri
e unsteady and looked as though they
would have liked the support of a stick, but every one of them made his way
right round the yard successfully. And nally there was a tremendous baying
of dogs and a shrill crowing from the black cockerel, and out came Napoleon
himself, majestically upright, casting haughty glances from side to side, and
with his dogs gambolling round him.
He carried a whip in his trotter.
There was a deadly silence. Amazed, terried, huddling together, the an-
imals watched the long line of pigs march slowly round the yard. It was as
though the world had turned upside-down. Then there came a moment when
the rst shock had worn o and when, in spite of everything | in spite of their
terror of the dogs, and of the habit, developed through long years, of never
complaining, never criticising, no matter what happened | they might have
uttered some word of protest. But just at that moment, as though at a signal,
all the sheep burst out into a tremendous bleating of |
`Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs
good, two legs better!'
It went on for ve minutes without stopping. And by the time the sheep
had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed, for the pigs had
marched back into the farmhouse.
Benjamin felt a nose nuzzling at his shoulder. He looked round. It was
Clover. Her old eyes looked dimmer than ever. Without saying anything, she
tugged gently at his mane and led him round to the end of the big barn, where
the Seven Commandments were written. For a minute or two they stood gazing
at the tatted wall with its white lettering.
`My sight is failing,' she said nally. `Even when I was young I could not have
read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks dierent.
Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be, Benjamin?'
For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her
what was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single
Commandment. It ran:
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

[BumRushDaShow]

45. Try Lennon

[woo me with science]

60. Reccing this post. nt

[truedelphi]

98. Thank you for psoting this -

And George O for coming up with it.

[leftstreet]

110. +1

[truth2power]

33. Obama promises disappear? Well, conveniently, I happened on a video

which lays it out nicely.

Someone over at Common Dreams posted the url for the video in the comments section. I don't know if this is new or has been around for a while, but I don't remember seeing it. On the other hand, I can't keep up with the outrages anymore.

I watched it yesterday. Lots of pics of kids horribly injured, burned, and DEAD as a result of the Obama Administration's foreign policy. Some with a voice-over of Mr. Obama making a joke (ha ha!, so cute) about the Jonas Bros., his daughters, and "predator drones". Well, a little levity is ok, right?

I look at what I wrote, above, and I think I'm becoming more bitter by the day.

"Lifting the Veil"

http://vimeo.com/20355767

Can't wait to see the spin!


edit> Sorry, I tried to post an actual web address but got two copies of the video picture. Deleted one. Never mind.

[questionseverything]

112. xcellant post

worth the time to watch

[Jamastiene]

156. Funny how "the list" never includes the names of all the maimed and killed children

or footage of blood spurting out of a person's neck from the wounds. Hardy har har, threaten the Jonas Brothers with predator drones, so funny...until you actually see what those drones are doing to the innocent civilians, most notably children.

If you are "bitter" for being pissed off about that, I must be too. Oh well, let them call us "bitter." It is a bitter pill they expect us to swallow and then they expect us to never speak up against atrocities. They are fooling absolutely no one. The truth is right there in the video for all to see. Of course, we know the ones who won't bother to watch. It is truly disgusting.

[snooper2]

34. threads like this are like flypaper for trolls

[MannyGoldstein]

39. Then perhaps the President should stop causing them nm

[uponit7771]

41. The trolls!? Obama causes trolls now!? Come on, this gets silly

[snooper2]

49. you should actually listen to our President once in a while

[morningfog]

64. I quit listening long ago. I watch the actions and inaction now.

[frylock]

106. case in point

[treestar]

46. It's part of the conspiracy

Seriously though does "protect whistleblowers" mean every person who dumps documents should be considered one? That defies logic. Obama does not agree with you on Snowden.

This country has more protections than any other for people who leak information on its bad doings. Snowden could have taken advantage of that. Plus he's in Russia. He just might not qualify as a whistleblower in Obama's opinion. Therefore it is not inconsistent.

[emulatorloo]

52. I notice huge sections of the Romney-RyaN and McCain-Palin's campaign websites are gone as well!

They must be in on it too.

[freshwest]

115. No, Obama did it! He sees all, knows all! He's watching you now! Put your clothes back on!

[PATRICK]

54. "full access to courts"

Probably just down for some editing.

[AtheistCrusader]

108. By 'full access' he meant specifically the detainee area and defendant table.

[PufPuf23]

55. Also in the News, The Emperor Wears no Clothes

The propagandists at DU have no shame nor the ethics or values of the Democratic Party of the first 50 years or so of my life.

They are the rainbow have and have mores with "politically correct" GOP-style bloodlust.

[emulatorloo]

58. Agreed, the Republican and Libertarian trolls posing as "progressives" have no shame or ethics.

They will engage in every tactic in the Karl Rove playbook in order to sow division. They specialize in coming to progressive websites and stirring the pot.

They post endless misleading headlines/hit pieces about Democrats, and never say a bad word against any Republican.

Their goal is Divide and conquer. The more division and divisiveness there is on DU the happier they are. End goal is to support and elect more Republicans or Libertarian Teabagger Republicans, depending on their orientation or who is signing their paychecks.

BetterBeleiveIt is an example of this kind of troll. She posted endless articles that were hatchet jobs against Dems based on half-truth and innuendo. When members debunked the posted articles, she accused them of attacking her personally.

Eventually she screwed up and revealed her true intentions by posting anti-Democratic articles from Right-wing sources. At that point,the admins banned her.

This is nothing new, Enrique posted about a particularly egregious one from 2004. He was quite good, and was never caught. However he revealed what he really was on election night 2004:

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3345521

You werent here for seventhson

an ACTUAL troll who was allowed for some reason to rack up thousands of posts accusing John Kerry of ridiculous conspiracy theories, while he was our party's nominee against Bush in 2004.

He was only banned when he outed himself as a troll. How he survived I don't know, he appears to have been really good at working the system, for example sucking up to Will Pitt and Skinner.

He wasn't the only one either. There was a little group of trolls that might have been the same person, their posts amounted to propaganda, like posting photoshops of dems in "pink tutus", the same photoshops that appeared on right-wing sites. No substantive criticisms, just content-free bashing.

And again, they were allowed to rack up thousands of posts and not many people seemed to mind.

DU today is NOTHING like what it used to be, but it is exactly the opposite of what you are saying.


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[PufPuf23]

65. Don't you waste your time on me.

[emulatorloo]

67. I'm not

[BumRushDaShow]

75. Didn't realize that

BBI was a female. Lots of BBI sock puppets around now though. I had something like 4 pages of ignores on DU2 and only in the past week decided I had had enough and started up a new list after going ignore-free ever since DU3 went live.

[emulatorloo]

77. oh I dont know - sometimes I use he generically, sometimes I use she generically.

I used to use s/he when I didnt know, but that started to look dumb. So I randomly pick one or the other.

I tend to put my suspected rw trolls on my jury block list. Have to occasionally update it - for example, 6 out of my allowed 10 have been PPR'ed since I last set it up.

[Fumesucker]

111. Just recently graham4anything, a big Obama supporter and word salad impresario was banned

Banned for being troll.

LoZoccolo was another big Obama supporter and long term poster who was banned for being a troll. (K&R if you love Obama!)

It really goes both ways, it's also sometimes impossible to tell over the top enthusiasm trolls from actual Obama supporters, I have my own suspicions about a few posters and I spotted g4a and LZ a long time before they were banned.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

136. Graham was a troll?

I honestly thought he may be mentally ill. No one could spew word salad like him.

[cui bono]

153. Yeah, I thought the same. He was full of praise for Obama,

what got him banned?

[cui bono]

152. What's worse is the trolls who denounce Repubs but praise POTUS enacting

Republican policies and continuing and expanding and making legal BushCo policies that were denounced by same trolls when GWB was POTUS. Politics is not a team sport. Integrity and principles matter. Or they're supposed to anyway.

[quinnox]

57. Time to rewrite history, and have the Ministry of Truth put out a new version

[mick063]

59. The complainers need to get off their ass

Bitching on a message board solves nothing.

Now get out there and start swallowing pepper spray!

[PennsylvaniaMatt]

61. It's somewhat hard to deliver on some of those promises...

When the Republican lead House of Representatives is hell bent on blocking anything and everything you support.

[truedelphi]

99. I am still waiting -

I have asked for eighteen months for some proof that the Republicans forced Obama to say he approved of Paulson (Circa mid-November 2008, right after winning the election.)

I am still waiting for some ne here to show me that the Republicans forced him to appoint:

1) Geithner
2) to leave Bernanke in his position
3) to re-appoint Ben Bernanke
4) the Monsanto Appointments - including the dean of the new theory of "It's all good cuz I say so" Mike Taylor to a spot of power within the FDA.
5) The Republicans who forced Mr Obama last summer to march 10 staff folks from the Oval Office over to Valsick's office at Dept of Agriculture, as it looked like Valsick was going to agree with activists and insist on having a buffer zone between the GM alfalfa crops and the conventional and org alfalfa

Anyway, you may have photos of how the Republicans forced his appointments. I have been waitin a long time to see the proof that it is the evil Republicans that have forced Mr Obama to do this to our nation.

Feel free to post here or PM me.

[sheshe2]

107. But, but, but they say he has no opposition...

Don't be a meanie and tell them the truth. Fantasy is fun~

Matt!

[cui bono]

154. You should have read just one more post...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3348641

[bvar22]

66. I have noticed that too.

I've kept a good library of YouTube links to most of his important pomises to the Working Class in Campaign 2008. I have found that it comes in useful when arguing with The BOG.
It is pretty hard to DENY Obama promised something when you have The VIDEO
for backup, though some still try.

I've noticed over the last several months that some of the links have stopped working,
so I found a FireFox AddOn that lets me download the Video to my Hard Drive,
and I have done so to protect the whole library.

I'm especially protective of the Video Clips of the debates where Candidate Obama embarrassed and ridiculed Hillary over things like
Not Raising the Cap to protect SS,
and Insurance Mandates without a Public Option.

[emulatorloo]

70. Yes, your use and misuse of your YouTube collection has been duly noted.

[bvar22]

93. YES!!!

And there is nothing more entertaining than watching The BOG tell President Obama that he didn't really mean what he said.
That was PERFECT.
There was nothing I could add.

[emulatorloo]

105. Sorry bro, it was Your Hannity-style hack misrepresentation vs the Actual Quote.

We see that kind of shit on Fox News all the time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3342292 and posts following.

Yeah what more is there to add?

A textbook case of intellectual dishonesty.

So nice to see you doubling down on it and declaring victory. Like I said, takes a lot of balls.

I would not believe you if your tongue came notarized.

[JoePhilly]

74. Oh no ... more proof Obama hates America.

[cantbeserious]

76. Plus Infinity - Who Knew - A Politician Of Empty Promises

eom

[uponit7771]

85. ***********THIS OP IS MISLEADING*************** Bashers could care less

[FSogol]

100. There is now a 2nd thread with the same misleading info.

The 2014 midterms aren't going to rat fuck themselves, I guess.

[freshwest]

114. Damn straight! It's hard work! (Warning: Graphic Image)

[Cha]

118. Greenwald regurgitators don't give a shite.

They need a daily feed of snarl.

"Pres Obama is just like bush"

[avaistheone1]

89. Reminiscent of the Bush regime.

They loved to scrub their websites too.

[Scurrilous]

143. Yeah! Obama = Bush!!1!

[avaistheone1]

144. Bush Scrubs White House Web Site, Removes Embarrassing Material

Profoundly embarrassed by George W. Bush's inability to keep straight whether he considers Osama bin Laden important to the war on terrorism, administration officials have begun to systematically remove from the White House's web site any material that might prove damaging or embarrassing in the future.

Brad Friedman reports:
The idea that the White House may be using their governmental website (which is owned by the People, not by George Bush or the Republicans) for potential partisan advantage is troubling at best and strictly illegal at worst. There is a strict legal line drawn that disallows the use of such public facilities (White House phone lines, etc) for blatant partisan/campaign activities.

It seems clear that the use of the White House website for this purpose would fall under that strict statute and monkeying with it -- and the historical documents it had previously provided -- for political/partisan/campaign gains, I'd think, would be strictly off-limits. I welcome the input from any political legal eagles on this.
Brad lists several things that have been positively identified as no longer available on the White House's site - press conference transcripts, graphics, and more. All of it contains information that contradicts things that Bush has been claiming during the campaign. Of course, only people in the reality-based community would care about such things as consistency and honesty, right?

http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/10/25/bush-scrubs-white-house-web-site-removes-embarrassing-material.htm



New boss looking like the old boss.

[Scurrilous]

149. Nice cartoon.

More from that Freeper:

http://www.mikelester.com/editorial.html

[Doctor_J]

90. that's because they contained promises for "ponies for everyone"

that weren't delivered. And that's why all of the "Glen Greenwald left" are unhappy.

[jazzimov]

95. You mean, someone actually cleaned-up the servers?

[AnotherMcIntosh]

101. Didn't George Orwell already anticipate that a Ministry of Truth would revise history?

1984 was not supposed to be used as a guide.

[bananas]

103. In the book 1984 what is a memory hole?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/In_the_book_1984_what_is_a_memory_hole

In the book 1984 what is a memory hole?

Answer:

In Nineteen Eighty-Four, a Memory Hole is a small chute in the wall that is used to carry documents down a warm current of air into an incinerator. These devices are found in the Ministry of Truth, where Outer Party members can destroy evidence of a different past using them. For example, a newspaper article that proves that the Party broke a promise will be destroyed using a Memory Hole. There is also a use of Doublethink in this device's name, as it is used to destroy memories of the past.

[Cha]

116. Good. Something for the Greenwald regurgitators to

twist their little tinfoil hats about. Keeps 'em busy with ODS while the rest of us do the work of exposing republicons.

[AzDar]

119. K&R

[obxhead]

120. I'm sure Congress is to blame. nt

[rug]

121. Why, was it being compared to The List?

[Progressive dog]

122. I'm trying to figure out which reason for

whistle blowing Obama didn't like Let me see, they were waste, fraud , and abuse, so the Obama administration didn't include personal morality in there. I can't find the part where it's OK to break laws, either. Maybe they just had something else to hide and we better figure it out before they erase it from the internets.

I'll bet the Obama administration doesn't realize that people could archive it's website either.

[MisterP]

123. huh--how can they accuse critics of ingratitude at the "vigintillions of dollars saved"

by the "signature programs" if they can't generate any blue links to what those fulfilled promises ARE?!

does that mean their flacks will be going dark until 2016, when they can start concern trolling for the election?

[Fumesucker]

161. We should be so lucky

[DeSwiss]

125. K&R

"Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." ~I.F. Stone

[Purveyor]

126. Well. It is what it is. Senate goes GOP in 2014. Mark this thread. Of course then, he will

'reach across the aisle'...

[Lucinda]

131. Maybe they are just repurposing the website,

since it was setup as a transitional information source, and it's not needed in that capacity anymore.
They could be planning to roll something else out and take advantage of the great url.

[Fire Walk With Me]

135. "1984" is alive and well. n/t

[Demeter]

137. "I have no hope, I see no future"--DU's very own Hotler

and there is no meaningful change left. It's gone in a refresh cycle.

[NealK]

138. K&R

[blkmusclmachine]

141. Campaign Obama was nothing but a pitch, a sales gimmick, a slick illusion.

The real real is on full display. Still slick, tho.

[Warren DeMontague]

145. Oh, there are no promises he made that he's broken.

cough.

[dipsydoodle]

155. Well at least you now all know

to keep a copy of the missing info by storing the link detailed here : http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3344991o and they keeping an eye on the next round of promises associated with whoever the candidate is in the next presidential elections.

[WillyT]

164. K & R !!!

[woo me with science]

167. Kick

[woo me with science]

168. kick