A Shout Out To DU's Prosense-

[KittyWampus]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Hassin Bin Sober (a host of the General Discussion forum).

For posting information day after day and never losing her cool. Even after all the insults, mockery and accusations of getting paid or being multiple people.

It's refreshing that some DU'er still care enough to keep things on policy and try to back up their points with references.

[bigtree]

1. first rec!

[Cha]

92. 151st Rec! :)

[Lady Freedom Returns]

98. 153rd. Rec!

To Prosense- I tip my crown to a better lady than I! For she can truly handle the slinging of stones and allow the truth to be her vindication.

I, sadly, am not that calm.

[flamingdem]

102. What took you so long!

[Cha]

105. What can I say, flamingdem..

I'm old and slow..

[LordGlenconner]

2. Agreed

A voice of common sense among the rabble.

[warrior1]

3. She always does good work

[hlthe2b]

4. I can respect Prosense--even while I don't always agree with them...

So, I'll recommend this thread, just as I did for the other one that underscored the contributions of another DUer.

I'm sorry that you couldn't find it within you on that thread, Kitty, to likewise express respect for one with whom you may not always agree.

[Cha]

97. FYI, hlthe2b.. ProSense is a her.. not a "them".

[hlthe2b]

116. Not knowing, I used a gender neutral pronoun..

Not sure why so many won't complete the gender part of the profile, but when they don't I try not to assume.

Good to know, though.....

[great white snark]

5. Second rec for our infallible ProSense.

You, KittyWampus, deserve a shout out as well for the same reasons.

[iamthebandfanman]

25. an infalllible prosense

to defend the infallible president.

it only makes sense, eh ?

[great white snark]

44. That would be a straw man skippy.

Nobody thinks President Obama is perfect or beyond making mistakes.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

48. thank you for pointing it out

[treestar]

6. K&R

Always with the facts and throwing cold water on the would be fire-stirring!

[arely staircase]

7. hear, hear nt

[cali]

8. Shockingly, I recced this- as much for you Kitty as for ProSense

ProSense is indefatigable. And despite what some say, I don't believe for a moment that's she's paid. I think she believes firmly in what she espouses.

[freshwest]

9. ProSense has focus:

[awoke_in_2003]

22. You mean...

like attacking Snowden instead of attacking the issue he brought up?

[railsback]

27. That's STILL the lamest argument in the world

[Marr]

59. It really isn't. /nt

[Mojorabbit]

65. It isn't at all!

Some people make this place nice to visit and some do not. When I put those few on ignore it was like a breath of fresh air. YMMV

[railsback]

129. Well, good

I always thought we shouldn't have been attacking Bush and the Republicans for all their shennanigans. It was always about the message, not them.

[FSogol]

10. K&R. You too KittyW n/t

[leveymg]

11. Prosense: certainly the hardest working poster on this board. eom

[backwoodsbob]

15. agreed

the hardest *working* poster on the board

[BumRushDaShow]

12. I don't know how she does it

Day after day in the face of the most hateful and vitriolic attacks against her, where there are now little or no attempts at even discussing or debating the issues, and every attempt at belittlement, bullying, and lockstep mobbing and nonsensical group-speak.

Kudos to Prosense!

[iamthebandfanman]

32. its hard work

staying closed minded and not ever changing your stance on anything :p

[BumRushDaShow]

50. Plonk!

[go west young man]

78. Nailed it.

[bluestate10]

103. Are you looking in the mirror again? nt

[Number23]

89. Don't you love how some people are so threatened by her they just HAVE to post bullshit

in an appreciation thread about her?

There's another appreciation thread right now. I think the person being "appreciated" in that thread refuses to read, see or even contemplate anything that doesn't support her own agenda and will use whatever means necessary to promote it including some of the most half-assed, almost laughable sources. So guess what? I stayed out of her thread.

Wouldn't it be nice if others could do show the same level of respect or even self-control?

[Union Scribe]

100. Yeah it would but your buddies disagree

and took some mighty big shits in that thread.

[Number23]

104. And that explains what? Why it's necessary for YOUR friends to do the same in this thread?

Removed totally accurate but possibly mean-spirited comment on the quality of that poster's "friends."

[Union Scribe]

106. I'm pointing out that as usual

people decrying posters on one side fail to see the same behavior on their own. There are no one way streets here.

Oh and stay classy. "loser friends" lol.

[Number23]

108. You're the one who saw fit to jump into a conversation I started with BumRush

to talk about "my friends" doing whatever. That was completely unnecessary and I'm pretty sure that you are aware of that. Shocking to learn that your fingers will even let you spell out the word "classy" to be honest.

And I have license to point out the bad behavior in this thread which is the one that I actually read. I didn't read the other thread so I have no idea what "my friends" in that one were doing. Thanks.

[Union Scribe]

109. Lol. Perhaps you were under the impression you were using DU Mail

You were not. You were posting in GD. I will take your disproportionate anger and defensiveness as an acknowledgment that my point landed close to home.

[Number23]

113. And perhaps you are under the impression that your behavior makes you look good

Like I said, given your behavior all over this web site which you have EAGERLY demonstrated for everyone to see in this thread (thanks for that!), I am truly shocked that your fingers allowed you to even type the word "classy."

And given the fact that you can't seem to stop responding, I will take your needlessly nasty, unasked for and irrelevant responses as definitive proof that my comments have hit home. Not close to home... blew it to smithereens.

[Union Scribe]

120. My goodness.

Unleashing that wave of anger and calling someone else nasty. Seriously though, turn the gas down. You're getting kinda repetitive and overheated, and it is after all a website.

[Number23]

123. Don't come in the kitchen if you can't stand the heat. And I wish you'd find someone else to bother

[Union Scribe]

124. Yes, well I do seem to have encountered some hot air.

I'll leave you to cool down.

[Number23]

125. Must be from your upper lip. And thank God you're going away.

[Bobbie Jo]

136. I just have to say...

nailed it.

[truebrit71]

134. The paycheck probably helps..

...glad that the sycophants have outed themselves..i'm sure one of them will alert as usual on this post in 5...4...3.....

[Zorra]

13. K&R for her admirable dedication and persistence under fire. nt

[ProSense]

14. Thank you, all

[BumRushDaShow]

21. Well deserved!

You and others who keep taking the licking from the haters and keep on ticking!

[Pretzel_Warrior]

40. kudos to you

[BlancheSplanchnik]

77. I admire your insistence on good SOURCING practices!!

it's the only way to maintain a credible argument.

I admire your thick skin, too---I couldn't do it!

[Number23]

90. Yes, I see your emphasis on SOURCING and I couldn't agree more

[Cha]

95. And, Mahalo to you, ProSense! :)

[Just Saying]

16. I really appreciate the rational arguments you bring to DU.

Thank you!

[Whisp]

17. Hearty K&R. If not for Prosense

I would have ditched this popsicle stand a long time ago.

[flamingdem]

18. Thanks for what you do to keep us informed

and sane!

[BumRushDaShow]

24. And I don't know how you do it either

You are so calm responding to the crazies when they come swarming in like a flock of vultures. Maybe it's that Big Bird "I'm bigger than you" thing.

[longship]

19. Happy to R&K for a good worker.

Who puts a lot of effort to provide related sources for all her posts.

Incredible work, ProSense.

And I don't care if I might disagree with your posts or not. They remain valuable.

[kentuck]

20. I will rec this post.

Even though I seldom agree with ProSense. I think she works very diligently with her research.

[closeupready]

23. She's a DU treasure - I don't 100% agree with her all the time,

but can definitely K&R this thread enthusiastically. K&R

[Apophis]

26. You mean the person who focuses on the man (Snowden) and not on the policy (spying)?

[NRaleighLiberal]

28. Kick and Rec. I love the size of our tent at DU - it is necessary. It is important to think...

and process lots of different information and points of view. It helps us all grow.

[Sheepshank]

29. I amazed at the insults lobbed at someone over a post

the effort at writing personal attacks could clearly be redirected to refuting articles and with discussion about the topic at hand. The support of those that make the personal attacks clearly gives license to escalate the behaviour, rather than putting it to rest.

[ucrdem]

30. Kick for the grown-ups

[Pretzel_Warrior]

31. K&R....DEFINITELY!

Thank you so much.

[Fearless]

33. Funny. Snowden isn't policy.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

45. the whole thing about Snowden is policy

deal with it

[rhett o rick]

139. Ahh the attitude. "deal with it'. Gotta love that. nm

[L0oniX]

34. Well ...it is Sunday isn't it. n/t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

35. yes it is

[msanthrope]

36. K&R. Always cool under fire. nt

[Pisces]

37. Rec and kick

[Bobbie Jo]

38. K&R

Picking off the teabagging bullshit with grace.

[animato]

39. k an r

[Skidmore]

41. k&r

[jazzimov]

42. Enthusiastic K&R! Thank you, Prosense!

[Nye Bevan]

43. I just wish that she was a little more positive about President Obama (nt)

[darkangel218]

70. Bwahahahahahaha!!

[Scurrilous]

137. ROFL

[SunSeeker]

46. Absolutely. And to you too, KittyWampus.

You have been battered and abused too, but the vitriol heaped on ProSense really is astonishing. She is actually mocked for providing links. She and you are what make DU great. Reasoned, grown up discussion of the issues using facts, with supporting links and references. Keep up the good work.

[octoberlib]

47. K & R ! And thanks for your help, Prosense !

[Pretzel_Warrior]

49. this thread deserves at least 100 recs.

[UTUSN]

51. R#96 & K for, a model of respect and civility for differing opinions!1 n/t

[dionysus]

52. +1000

[UnseenUndergrad]

53. KnR

She always makes for a good sign on where to go to wait out the madness.

[BenzoDia]

54. I disagree with some of Prosense's posts. But there is generally good stuff in them that are backed

with links and facts.

[trumad]

55. Fucking A...

[Pretzel_Warrior]

57. good to see the older posters joining this

[whatchamacallit]

56. And I will contribute rec 100 to taint the list :)

All hail ProSense!

[pnwmom]

58. Thank you, Prosense! n/t

[The Magistrate]

60. She Makes A Splendid Cpntribution To The Forum, Ma'am

[Brewinblue]

61. ProSense, if not one now, has the makings of a very successful

criminal or corporate civil defense attorney. When faced with a set of facts clearly unfavorable to his or her client, a good defense attorney will do everything possible to deflect the attention of the court away from the actual issues at hand. Instead, he or she will first set out to impugn the character of the victim and the veracity of opposing witnesses by any means that may raise questions as to the character, reputation, or courtroom appearance and behavior of the witnesses. This is often done through revelation of prior acquaintances or colleagues alleged to be unsavory characters, testimony of witnesses secured solely or primarily to give their unfavorable opinion of the witness, or any potentially damaging prior statements, conversations, or communications.

The defense may also try to overwhelm the court with tangentially or non relevant evidence, case citations, briefs, motions, and mountains of documents alleged to support the case of the defendant. The ultimate goal is to create such a distraction from any actual evidence of guilt, as to create even the slightest reasonable doubt in the mind of at least one juror.

For those skills and efforts I commend her.

[Cleita]

62. Maybe that's her day job. n/t

[Pretzel_Warrior]

117. This post should be hidden. I am alerting

[Cleita]

118. Go ahead.

[Mojorabbit]

67. +1000 nt

[Apophis]

68. Exactly.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

72. Yessiree bob!

[Nye Bevan]

74. Or a mascot for an MLB team.

Like Mr Met is always there rooting for the team through thick and thin.

[ProSense]

76. Well,

"ProSense, if not one now, has the makings of a very successful criminal or corporate civil defense attorney. When faced with a set of facts clearly unfavorable to his or her client, a good defense attorney will do everything possible to deflect the attention of the court away from the actual issues at hand. Instead, he or she will first set out to impugn the character of the victim and the veracity of opposing witnesses by any means that may raise questions as to the character, reputation, or courtroom appearance and behavior of the witnesses."

...I'm not an "attorney" of any kind. Still, you appear to be describing exactly what you're doing. For example, I'm critical of Greenwald and Snowden. You on the other hand, are focusing on me. You are trying to "deflect" attention from my criticism of the two. You've "set out to impugn" my "character" because you disagree with my POV.

"The defense may also try to overwhelm the court with tangentially or non relevant evidence, case citations, briefs, motions, and mountains of documents alleged to support the case of the defendant."

There, you're dismissing everything I post, as if somehow counter arguments or opposing POVs to mine posted here are limited in their abundance.

"The ultimate goal is to create such a distraction from any actual evidence of guilt, as to create even the slightest reasonable doubt in the mind of at least one juror. "

Again, you're focusing on me. What prevents you or anyone from countering, ignoring or rejecting my arguments?

We're on a discussion board, and your comment is a classic case of attacking someone's character to avoid discussing the issues.

You are free to posts any counter argument in any thread I post. I may have come across you at some point (I don't recall), but you apparently have spent a significant amount of time analyzing me instead of debating me.

Why?

[treestar]

87. This would be in a courtroom where

the attorney for the side opposing prosense spends most of his time whining prosense is there, and complaining that Prosense's briefs contain citations (blue links) - oh and complaining that Prosense gets a chance to speak - the Firebreather attorney makes an opening statement, then Prosense does and Firebreather attorney whines: Prosense got to make an opening statement too! That's unfair. Her client might have paid her more in fees than mind did! My client is in the right. Prosense's is wrong. Therefore Prosense should not get to make an opening statement, or file briefs, or call witnesses! Waaaaaaaah!

[CakeGrrl]

63. K/R for perseverance

And research, hard work, and taking insane amounts of flak and insults for posting an alternative viewpoint.

[ismnotwasm]

64. K&R

[cantbeserious]

66. Agreed Prosense Is Focused - Disagree With The Focus Presented

eom

[SidDithers]

69. DU rec...

There's not another DUer that has as much abuse directed their way as Pro. I love that she pisses off the libertarians and über-lefties that post here.



Sid

[freshwest]

86. 'Reality has a liberal bias.' ProSense keeps us well-supplied with facts, so she's hated. LOL.

[rhett o rick]

140. You arent claiming she is "liberal" are you? nm

[rury]

71. Kudos to you ProSense

For your reasoned, logical posts and OPs with well- documented FACTS.
You are brilliant and correct and many thanks for your defense of our awesome President Barack Obama as he strives valiantly to perfect our union!!!!!!!!

[Major Hogwash]

73. We don't appreciate what we have until we no longer have it, sometimes.

[egduj]

75. Good or bad, she's definitely politics before principles.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

128. Very hurtf and hateful statement about a fellow DU'er

[stevenleser]

142. There are a number of posts from folks with 100-300 total posts on DU who act as if they know all

about ProSense and her history and DU and its history.

Veddy intedestink

[madokie]

79. My favorite DU'r

of late.
And for the reason you state.

[Skittles]

80. never losing her cool???

[Union Scribe]

107. I know right?

Maybe these posters never read past the OPs.

[malaise]

81. Rec n/t

[Ter]

82. I'm sure she's a fine woman, but she represents the "Obama can do no wrong" crowd

Along with Tx4obama, OneHandle, MADem, Drunken Irishman, and a few other regulars, they can't criticize him when he's clearly in the wrong. I prefer constructive criticism in postings.

[Pretzel_Warrior]

147. Sounds like you just prefer conflict

Or...whatever you deem Obama to have done wrong, you think everyone else should agree with your view.

[NYC_SKP]

83. Oh hell yes.

[Scurrilous]

84. As always..

K & R

[blm]

85. Smiling big here...with utmost admiration for Mizz ProSense.

.

[Number23]

88. Hell yes!! I admire her so much. She is passionate and fearless.

And not only are her posts beautifully researched, she has no need of an echo chamber and will back up any challenges with even MORE facts instead of using Ignore.

She gets serious props from me for that.

[Tx4obama]

91. K&R. Thank you Prosense for always bringing facts and links to DU :)

[Cha]

93. thank you, KittyWampus for recognizing this in an OP.

So many do appreciate her here on DU because of all the information backed up with facts that she provides.

And, she's fearless in the face of those who want to stifle her posts by personally attacking her.

[bluestate10]

94. IT is good to see her standing up to the misinformation being thrown around DU.

A lie can only be effective if it goes unchallenged.

[TransitJohn]

96. I don't know, got any recursive links to back that assertion up? eom

n/t

[Douglas Carpenter]

99. Awesome! never the slightest hint of the slightest hint of skepticism of the official line

Few committed Maoist or devoted fundamentalist Christians maintained such uncritical party discipline.

[bigtree]

110. Maoists and fundies

. . . would be in awe and admiring of what you did there.

[Douglas Carpenter]

114. unconditional submission to a party line is awesome. I don't understand it. But I am awestruck by it

[bigtree]

143. as if you follow every post

. . .but, carry on. It's like you're playing your own little version of game of thrones, or DU Sims where you make the characters into whatever you can dream up in your silly head.

. . . but, go on . . .

[Douglas Carpenter]

144. perhaps you can point me to some posts where the member in question has criticized the Obama

Administration?

[SwampG8r]

146. i cant link to the actual post

but once
and I swear its true
she was called on the utter lack of any form of anything critical
anything at all
and she said
and I am paraphrasing
he hadn't been able to find a way to get those critical of him to see where he was right in every instance and they were wrong
myself I see her as a shit stirrer par excellance
she is very good at what she does

[brentspeak]

101. Prosense is very good at what they do

Oh, I'm sorry, typo -- what 'she' does.

Clumsy typing fingers of mine...

[Vinnie From Indy]

111. You have to admire her tenacity! Hell, I'll even K&R

this thread!

Cheers to Prosense!

[michigandem58]

112. Wish I could rec 100+ n/t

[Number23]

115. Shocked, seriously shocked this got more than the 100 recs. In this current environment

with all of the ignorance and screaming.

Just goes to show how much Prosense and maybe even the Obama admin itself are appreciated here, no matter how many like to pretend otherwise.

[Union Scribe]

122. Rather puts paid to your "DU is an echo chamber" silliness. nt

[Pretzel_Warrior]

126. ...

[Number23]

127. If your post made any sense at all, I'd probably give it a legitimate response

But for someone who can't stand Prosense, you sure seem drawn to REPEATEDLY post in this thread and make an absolute ass out of yourself repeatedly posting to me with utter nonsense and garbage.

I'm married, honey. And I like smart men anyway so you're wasting your time.

[savalez]

119. K&R

[sheshe2]

121. Kicked and Recommending!

Thank you ProSense!

For bringing sanity and facts to the table.

I am grateful!

[JaneyVee]

130. K&R! Gotta love how she uses facts and links over hyperbole and speculation.

[calimary]

131. Indeed yes!

[bravenak]

132. Shout out!

Awesome.

[JI7]

133. always

[jazzimov]

135. I wish I could rec again,

but I can KICK again!

[slipslidingaway]

138. Honestly, I'm just in awe at the number of posts on a variety of topics ...

all backed up with links for us to read.

Since Pro and I joined DU around the same time it is amazing to me how she has accumulated so many posts on a variety of topics, guess she has the time to research every topic related to politics and post links to support her view. And I thought I spent too much time reading about what was going on in DC.

So a shout out to the 101,000 plus posts!!!

[stevenleser]

141. K&R nt

[LostOne4Ever]

145. How did I miss this!

and rec'd!!!

[JTFrog]

148. k & DUrec! n/t