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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:44 PM Jul 2013

BTW...Remember that Evo Morales is the same crazy nut that said the U.S.A. poisoned Hugo Chavez

flashback:

Evo 'almost certain' Chávez 'poisoned'

The President of Bolivia Evo Morales affirmed that he is “almost certain” that Venezuelan leader Hugo Chávez died because the “Empire” (the United States) poisoned him ratifying the plot theory held by Venezuela’s acting president Nicolás Maduro.

Maduro -who was sworn in as Venezuela's interim President on Friday-, had announced Caracas would set up a “scientific commission” to investigate an alleged attack targeting the health of the Socialist leader as the Venezuelan government suspects that Chávez’s “historic enemies” have infected him with cancer.


“Our brothers like (Nicolás) Maduro and other authorities in Venezuela will carry out a profound investigation, but I am almost certain that this is a poisoning (case) against Chávez”, the South American leader affirmed in La Paz, Bolivia.

http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/125986/evo-almost-certain-ch%C3%A1vez-poisoned


He's really not altogether there, if you know what I mean.

At this point I'm really beginning to think he's certifiable or just extremely paranoid. He said he was held hostage and kidnapped while in Austria (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/bolivia-says-european-nations-kidnapped-evo-morales-in-hunt-for-nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-8686124.html).

Does this look like the picture of someone who was kidnapped and held hostage:



Yes...there he is...being kidnapped and held hostage by the Austrian President Heinz Fischer at the airport in Vienna.



Edit to add:

Evo Morales: 'Chicken causes baldness and homosexuality'

If you don't want to end up bald or gay, don't eat chicken, says Bolivian President Evo Morales. Speaking at an environmental conference this week in Cochabamba, Bolivia, (officially titled the World People's Conference on Climate Change and the Rights of Mother Earth) Morales told attendees in an inaugural address that chicken producers inject female hormones into the fowl, "and because of that, men who consume them have problems being men."

Thousands at the conference reportedly laughed -- perhaps nervously -- when Morales made the statements. He also said hormone-injected chicken causes young girls' breasts to grow prematurely, according to Noticias 24.

The Associated Press notes that most Western countries ban hormone injections in chicken, but Morales, Bolivia's first indigenous president, also went on to diagnose the practice as the cause of male baldness. "Baldness, which seems normal, is a sickness in Europe," he said. "Almost everyone is bald. And that's because of what they eat."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2010/04/bolivia-president.html
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BTW...Remember that Evo Morales is the same crazy nut that said the U.S.A. poisoned Hugo Chavez (Original Post) Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 OP
Here comes the character assassination. Have you no shame?!!??!! dkf Jul 2013 #1
new schtick, dkf? HiPointDem Jul 2013 #3
Bah I am not tied to the leg of any leader. dkf Jul 2013 #9
lol HiPointDem Jul 2013 #15
That is no longer a question. Warren Stupidity Jul 2013 #4
How about a little reality? Evo Morales regularly chews coca leaves. He'd done so at the UN for okaawhatever Jul 2013 #28
Not to mention THIS: JaneyVee Jul 2013 #34
Yeah, he should be taken at his word. No suspect behavior from him. nt okaawhatever Jul 2013 #37
does that give the Spanish Ambassador to Vienna the right to search his plane? mitchtv Jul 2013 #71
They gave permission once they landed at the airport in Vienna: Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #78
Well, Hugo Chavez fans always said he was being mis-translated. So maybe Morales said something KittyWampus Jul 2013 #80
Have you been listening to are right wing (teabaggers) movonne Jul 2013 #89
The answer to that is pretty obvious. n/t Skip Intro Jul 2013 #64
Right on cue, yep. If Obama stomped on a puppy, his fans would make Marr Jul 2013 #69
LOL Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #72
someone is feeling extra-patrioticy today I guess quinnox Jul 2013 #2
Nah...Morales appears to be someone who reads infowars Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #21
Insulting Morales is not insulting Bolivia Progressive dog Jul 2013 #42
How is posting actual quotes from Morales "insulting all of south america"? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #81
Ok so by your fucked up logic, anytime someone insults Obama, they are insulting America. phleshdef Jul 2013 #106
And that has what to do with detaining him in Vienna? n/t Cleita Jul 2013 #5
The plane landed because of fuel gauge issues Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #24
Anybody think this thread adds value to our discourse? sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #6
Thank you for noticing think Jul 2013 #8
Of course not. Deflection and smears is the m.o. of the Personality Cult. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #35
Actually, I think it's important to know the character of someone Cha Jul 2013 #52
Welcome to DU! Bobbie Jo Jul 2013 #82
I do. Chan790 Jul 2013 #88
Gee why might a South American leader think the US poisoned a South American leader dsc Jul 2013 #7
You are a hound dog.... sgtbenobo Jul 2013 #13
And then there was that little 2-day coup in Venezuela Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #18
And we did invade Panama pscot Jul 2013 #47
chile 9/11/73 mitchtv Jul 2013 #65
^Thread winner here^ nt Zorra Jul 2013 #55
Ding Ding Ding! Winner RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #57
Gee, was there any real indication a rational person would think Chavez's cancer was caused by CIA? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #83
radiation has been known to cause cancer dsc Jul 2013 #86
Perhaps some kind of radiation weapon? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #91
tell it to alexander litvineko dsc Jul 2013 #92
Yes I remember that. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #93
Nah, of course not! Dirty lies and smears. Oh, and CT theories! There! idwiyo Jul 2013 #105
You were shown to be a dishonest person yesterday. Today you're trying to show that Morales is DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #10
So why did they do what they did with his plane. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #11
Squirrel! cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #12
Lovin it! /nt think Jul 2013 #19
Ummmm ........... so?!? polly7 Jul 2013 #14
Anyone else getting a Jackie Chan Drunken Master vibe from that pic?...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #16
HaHa. A drunk Indian joke pscot Jul 2013 #48
Oh FFS... SidDithers Jul 2013 #61
Major hogwash says he looks like a Wayne Newton impersonator flamingdem Jul 2013 #77
Crazy as a fox...folks are going on the word of someone like this... HipChick Jul 2013 #17
BINGO! Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #26
So it's unfortunate the WH has given him such gravitas MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #20
Let the Natives get out of line pscot Jul 2013 #51
The Character Assassins Strike Again cantbeserious Jul 2013 #22
How is posting quotes "character assassination"? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #84
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #23
he also said something about eating chickens making people gay JI7 Jul 2013 #25
Yeah. No he didn't. "tienen desviaciones en su ser como hombres" is what he said. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #29
Thanks. Updated the OP to include his reference to chicken causing baldness and homosexuality. Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #39
Where does he mention homosexuality? RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #60
No problem. I always try to help those who have no original thought. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #74
I actually vaguely remember something about it, but you jogged my memory Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #75
But for his idea to hold water, we'd see a number of men posessing more feminine characteristics as okaawhatever Jul 2013 #40
Maybe not Mojorabbit Jul 2013 #100
I don't have time to read it now, but will gladly do so later tonight. I'm very interested in the okaawhatever Jul 2013 #102
Puerto Rico, Haiti and Italy are among countries which have had epidemics of thelarche suffragette Jul 2013 #104
Yup...nt SidDithers Jul 2013 #31
People evolve. See what President Obama had to say about Gay Marriage not so long ago. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #101
Take a look at this article in Time magazine circa 2002. okaawhatever Jul 2013 #27
I would believe anything of the U.S. government at this point RILib Jul 2013 #30
Only a fool completely believes the word from anyone in any government. nt cstanleytech Jul 2013 #32
He has boxes in his garage!!!! Hes married to a pole-dancer!!!!! HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #33
I'll bet we'll be less safe from Bolivian terrorists Progressive dog Jul 2013 #46
Drug Kingpins, probably. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #50
Sounds like a drama monarch treestar Jul 2013 #36
You guys are sounding like the birthers used to pscot Jul 2013 #45
NO, you guys sound like that treestar Jul 2013 #49
You've lauded at international law and diplomacy. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #54
You have no idea what you are talking about treestar Jul 2013 #59
Hey, it's not about the MAN ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2013 #38
Evo is a bunny stomper, Evo is a bunny stomper. Coyotl Jul 2013 #41
And, just who did Morales think "almost certainly poisoned" Chavez? Oh, let me guess.. Cha Jul 2013 #43
Why do you hate native people? pscot Jul 2013 #44
They hate anyone who criticizes Dear Leader. HooptieWagon Jul 2013 #53
Interesting Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #62
Truth. Skip Intro Jul 2013 #66
Huh? Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #56
I'm very sympathetic to the Latin American left and recognize that the USA has been dominating there flamingdem Jul 2013 #58
Sure you are. cali Jul 2013 #99
I can hardly blame a latin-american president for being wary of the us RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #63
Of course-- he has to be a horrible person. He criticized your hero. Marr Jul 2013 #67
how is quoting someone "character assassination". LOL. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #85
So? MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #68
It's chicken now?! I thought it was BPA: freshwest Jul 2013 #70
He looks like a Bolivian Wayne Newton impersonator to me. Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #73
I can see it! flamingdem Jul 2013 #76
Snowden case: France apologises to Bolivia over plane row Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #79
Must character assasinated, must character assasinate. JimDandy Jul 2013 #87
well it is known fact the CIA tried to poison Castro''s cigars sooooo i wouldnt be so flippant boilerbabe Jul 2013 #90
Sounds like what a good German would write. Enemies of the State and all that. Bonobo Jul 2013 #94
Thanks Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #95
I think those things are only relevant if you want to muddy the waters. Bonobo Jul 2013 #96
It wouldn't surprise me at all to hear the CIA poisoned Chavez. diane in sf Jul 2013 #97
unrec for naked character assination.... mike_c Jul 2013 #98
Welcome to the world of Cali Democrat Savannahmann Jul 2013 #103
Of course actual doctors and scientists say that the "cancer poisoning" CT is absolute bullshit. phleshdef Jul 2013 #107

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
28. How about a little reality? Evo Morales regularly chews coca leaves. He'd done so at the UN for
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:27 PM
Jul 2013

goodness sake. He has fought to have the right to chew coca leaves for Bolivians at the UN. Not exactly a stretch.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/americas/bolivia/120312/bolivias-evo-morales-defends-right-chew-coca-leaf

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
78. They gave permission once they landed at the airport in Vienna:
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:56 PM
Jul 2013

The claim: The plane was searched.

Once the plane was on the ground, members of the airport police force walked through the plane, according to a reporter who spoke with the Guardian's Glenn Greenwald. According to The New York Times, permission to do so was granted by the Bolivians.

http://news.yahoo.com/tale-routed-bolivian-presidents-plane-falling-apart-185343901.html

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
80. Well, Hugo Chavez fans always said he was being mis-translated. So maybe Morales said something
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:13 AM
Jul 2013

that was mistranslated as "chicken causes baldness and homosexuality".

movonne

(9,623 posts)
89. Have you been listening to are right wing (teabaggers)
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:26 AM
Jul 2013

say some pretty nutty stuff...and they seem to be getting away with it...

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
69. Right on cue, yep. If Obama stomped on a puppy, his fans would make
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:49 PM
Jul 2013

countless posts about how many times it had shit on the floor and that it was descended from particularly horrible wolves. Oh and it's mother was a bitch, did you know? And it never unpacked the boxes in the garage.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
2. someone is feeling extra-patrioticy today I guess
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:51 PM
Jul 2013

Jeez, why not insult all of South America while you are at it. Why stop with Bolivia.

Progressive dog

(6,904 posts)
42. Insulting Morales is not insulting Bolivia
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:04 PM
Jul 2013

You must feel very insulted when President Obama is criticized.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
106. Ok so by your fucked up logic, anytime someone insults Obama, they are insulting America.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:41 PM
Jul 2013

I'll keep that in mind.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
24. The plane landed because of fuel gauge issues
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jul 2013

and he wasn't "detained"

The whole story has been debunked.

 

sgtbenobo

(327 posts)
6. Anybody think this thread adds value to our discourse?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:51 PM
Jul 2013

Anything......really........anything......

thought so.

Carry on.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
35. Of course not. Deflection and smears is the m.o. of the Personality Cult.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:44 PM
Jul 2013

They take dishonesty to a new low.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
52. Actually, I think it's important to know the character of someone
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:23 PM
Jul 2013

who's leveling charges.

Same with Snowden. The "it's not about Snowden" meme is bogus because Snowden made it about himself when he fled to China and then leaked his stolen documents. Just to make it further about himself he then ratted out his special goodies for China and then he scurried to Russia and did the same.

Oh, and "he has more".. they're such a danger but he's waiting to release them.. why? So, he can get a sweet deal with his future home? If they're so dangerous why doesn't he do it right fucking now?

This is the route Snowden should have gone to not make it about him..

Snip***

Snowden's Uncivil Disobedience

Edward Snowden, the former intelligence analyst who leaked to the Guardian and Washington Post classified documents on the National Security Agency's anti-terrorism surveillance program is not practicing policy-based civil disobedience, or any form of civil disobedience for that matter – despite Sen. Rand Paul's claim to the contrary. His flight to Hong Kong and possible efforts to win asylum from Iceland or China violate a central tenet of the philosophy. Resisters who break a law must accept that they may be arrested and have a duty to submit to punishment.

Moreover, Snowden, to answer a question posed yesterday by Jacob Hayutin on this site, is not a whistle-blower. A whistle-blower is one who reveals to the public wrongdoing, corruption or illegal behavior committed by those in authority, but who also cooperates with investigators as they work to ascertain the veracity of those allegations. Snowden had a chance to properly blow the whistle. He could have reported serious problems associated with the National Security Agency program to Congress under a process established by the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act. The law would have provided Snowden legal protections and given Congress an opportunity to properly investigate the matter without jeopardizing national security.

***Snip

Snip***

As of now, Snowden is an unpredictable variable carrying a trove of information of great value to countries conducting espionage activities against the United States. If Snowden is truly committed to protecting American democracy, to demonstrating civil disobedience, he should voluntarily return to the United States immediately. Otherwise, the government should exercise whatever legal means it has at its disposal to bring him back to the U.S. to face the consequences of his actions.***Snip

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/jamie-chandler/2013/06/18/nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-is-neither-a-whistle-blower-nor-a-civil-disobeyer

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
88. I do.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:50 AM
Jul 2013

It confirms what I knew about Evo Morales last week, last month and last year.

He's Louie Gohmert certifiable, just a communist rather than a religious fascist. Just because something diplomatically-uncomfortable happens to a person doesn't make them sane. If they respond to it in the way Morales has, it actually makes you appear less sane still.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
7. Gee why might a South American leader think the US poisoned a South American leader
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:53 PM
Jul 2013

could it be that we tried to poison and otherwise kill Castro several times in the 1960's? Could it be our behavior in Chile in the 1970's? Could it be our behavior in El Salvador in the 1980's? Or maybe our behavior in Nicaragua in the 1980's and 1990's? Or maybe our well I could go on quite a while but I think you get the point.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
18. And then there was that little 2-day coup in Venezuela
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:59 PM
Jul 2013

where Chavez was overthrown and bu$h immediately recognized the new "government".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
83. Gee, was there any real indication a rational person would think Chavez's cancer was caused by CIA?
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:17 AM
Jul 2013

It sounds good to his base in South America, I guess. And to a very small number of leftists in the USA.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
86. radiation has been known to cause cancer
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:34 AM
Jul 2013

now, frankly I don't think that the CIA poisoned Chavez but I have to say, I can see why the theory would be far less ridiculous to a denizen of Latin America.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
105. Nah, of course not! Dirty lies and smears. Oh, and CT theories! There!
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jul 2013


Can't friggin believe the level of deliberate ignorance of history on display by some people.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
10. You were shown to be a dishonest person yesterday. Today you're trying to show that Morales is
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:54 PM
Jul 2013

...dishonest.

Your credibility makes your claim extremely weak. People generally don't believe those who have been shown to be dishonest.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
14. Ummmm ........... so?!?
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jul 2013

I suggest you go do some reading in the Latin American forum for some good insight on why any Latin American leader would be suspicious, if not paranoid at anything to do with officials from the U.S ..... and Canada. Go for it, you'll probably want to come back and apologize for such a stupid attempt at victim-blaming.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
61. Oh FFS...
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:34 PM
Jul 2013

That you even thought that was what I meant shows your own prejudice.



Two of Jackie Chan's most famous Kung-fu movies were 1978's Drunken Master, and the 1994 follow-up, Legend of the Drunken Master. The shape of Chan's face, and particularly his hair from the '78 film, remind me of Morales.

FFS.

Sid

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
26. BINGO!
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:16 PM
Jul 2013

That's the point.

People take his word at face value even though his entire story has been debunked.

Response to Cali_Democrat (Original post)

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
29. Yeah. No he didn't. "tienen desviaciones en su ser como hombres" is what he said.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:28 PM
Jul 2013

"When we talk about chicken, it's pumped full of female hormones," Morales said, "and so when men eat this chicken, they stray from being men" (literally tienen desviaciones en su ser como hombres in Spanish). The comment went over non–Spanish speakers' heads, so it wasn't until sundown that it rippled its way through the 35,000-participant gathering. By the next morning, the international press had gotten wind of it, Bolivian newspapers had plastered it on their front pages and Spain's national LGBT federation had issued a statement calling the comment "homophobic."

A little context goes a long way, doesn't it? So let me ask you this... my Daughter will some day soon undergo gender reassignment surgery. Next month she starts testosterone treatments. If testosterone treatments can make a female more like a man by counteracting estrogen (that's the idea behind the treatments, right?) then doesn't it stand to reason that eating chicken pumped full of female hormones counteracts testosterone in a man?

By the way, the literal translation is: "have deviations in their being as men" Context. It's what's for dinner.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1984064,00.html#ixzz2Y86w6jOs

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
39. Thanks. Updated the OP to include his reference to chicken causing baldness and homosexuality.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:49 PM
Jul 2013

He's even crazier than I thought!

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
40. But for his idea to hold water, we'd see a number of men posessing more feminine characteristics as
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:50 PM
Jul 2013

a result. You can't have societies eat as much chicken as they do without noticing a change. If it were something rarely eaten, it would take much longer to show the effects, but there are men who eat mostly chicken as a meat, and men who don't eat chicken at all. I think these are in strong enough numbers to have shown something.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
100. Maybe not
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:40 PM
Jul 2013

Here is a study in the
European JOurnal of Endocrinology http://www.eje-online.org/content/140/6/477.full.pdf
Titled: Exposure to exogenous estrogens in food: possible impact on
human development and health
Anna-Maria Andersson and Niels E Skakkebæk
University Department of Growth and Reproduction, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark

the conclusion
In the light of recent progress in our understanding of
estrogen levels in children, we conclude that possible
adverse effects on human health by consumption of meat
from estrogen-treated animals cannot be excluded.
Acknowledgements
The work was supported by grants from the European
Union and the Danish Medical Research Council.

It is an interesting paper

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
102. I don't have time to read it now, but will gladly do so later tonight. I'm very interested in the
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:13 PM
Jul 2013

effects of what we do to our food on our health. With the stranglehold big Agri has on our legislators, I don't expect the truth to come to light anytime soon.


suffragette

(12,232 posts)
104. Puerto Rico, Haiti and Italy are among countries which have had epidemics of thelarche
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:10 PM
Jul 2013

And early sexual development.

Early studies linked these to high levels of hormones in food, including chicken. Newer studies seem to be looking at phtalates more.



I remember reading an article about this in MS magazine in the 1970's. That article was about children starting puberty at extremely early ages - some as young as 2yrs old. In addition, some of the boys also developed female characteristics such as enlarged breasts. The article postulated that U.S. agriculture was injecting poultry with even larger than usual amounts of hormones and selling them in Puerto Rico and that this could be the cause.

I couldn't find that article on a quick search, but found more info.

http://envirocancer.cornell.edu/Newsletter/articles/v6premature.cfm


Premature Thelarche in Puerto Rico
Since 1979, pediatric endocrinologists in Puerto Rico have detected an alarming increase in the number of patients with premature thelarche (Pérez, 1982; Bongiovanni, 1983). Among the hypotheses proposed to explain the observed premature sexual development in this US Caribbean island territory, the most controversial theory associated thelarche with the subject's diet. Sáenz et al. (1985) suggested that dairy and meat products were contaminated with anabolic estrogenic chemicals, which are used for increasing muscle mass in cattle and poultry. In 1985, studies conducted by the US Department of Agriculture, in conjunction with a scientific commission from the Puerto Rico Department of Health, led to the conclusion that no abnormal levels of the suspected chemicals were present in the approximately 800 samples of meat and dairy products that were analyzed (Montgomery, unpublished data). Other theories are still under consideration, such as the association with ovarian cysts, premature endogenous production of sexual hormones, and environmental contamination by pharmaceutical waste products. These theories do not establish a strong association with the majority of the cases reported (Freni-Titulaer, et al., 1986). Also, a genetic predisposition of Puerto Rican girls for developing premature thelarche is unlikely. Investigation of this ethnic group in the Philadelphia area did not reveal a similar pattern of early sexual development (Freni-Titulaer, et al., 1986). Moreover, other ethnic groups living in Puerto Rico are also affected by the condition (Freni-Titulaer, et al., 1986).

In 1987, the Puerto Rico Department of Health created by law the Premature Thelarche and Early Sexual Development (PTESD) Registry in response to the observed increase in cases (Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, 1989). This is the only world registry created for the study of premature sexual development in a human population. The objectives of this surveillance system are to define the epidemiologic, clinical, and etiologic aspects of the different manifestations of premature sexualdevelopment on the island. Although the registry was established in 1988, retrospective data to 1969 and prospective data to 2001 have been collected. In this time period, approximately 7,600 cases of premature sexual development have been registered, of which 70% are premature thelarche cases. Based on the data accumulated by the registry, the estimated annual average incidence rate of premature thelarche in Puerto Rican girls 6-24 months of age is eight cases per 1,000 live female births from 1984 to 1993 (Bourdony, 1998). This incidence is, to our knowledge, the highest ever reported. Compared to a study conducted in Minnesota (Van Winter, et al., 1990), this estimated incidence of premature thelarche in the Puerto Rican female population is 18.5 times higher. The actual incidence is much higher since only the cases diagnosed by some of the pediatric endocrinologists practicing in the island are being recorded by the Registry. The other 30% of registered cases consist of premature sexual hair, strong (apocrine) odor in both sexes, vaginal bleeding in females and prepubertal enlarged breasts (gynecomastia) in males. No studies have been conducted to define the clinical, epidemiologic, etiologic or prognostic characteristics of these conditions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/science/17puberty.html?fta=y


At the annual Pediatric Academic Society meeting in May in San Francisco, they presented a report that described how a preschool-age girl, and then her kindergarten-age brother, mysteriously began growing pubic hair. These cases were not isolated; in 2004, pediatric endocrinologists from San Diego reported a similar cluster of five children.

It turns out that there have been clusters of cases in which children have prematurely developed signs of puberty, outbreaks similar to epidemics of influenza or environmental poisonings. In 1979, the medical journal The Lancet described an outbreak of breast enlargement among hundreds of Italian schoolchildren, probably caused by estrogen contamination of beef and poultry. Similar epidemics in Puerto Rico and Haiti were tracked by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the 1980’s.




Note that Italy banned hormone use after details like the study above came out. If you search on the terms thelarche, gynecomastia, hormones, precocious development, etc, you'll find numerous articles addressing this and many scientific studies trying to determine the cause, mostly looking at food and environment (including pesticide use, etc.).

Here's a reference to one of the earlier ones from Puerto Rico, for example:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3928858


Given his phrasing and the regions affected, I think it's more likely he was referring to these incidents and these studies.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
101. People evolve. See what President Obama had to say about Gay Marriage not so long ago.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jul 2013

But with pressure from Liberals and education, people thankfully can change their minds. Latin America is still evolving and in some cases faster than we are, on women's issues eg, on women in high office. Thankfully our President did change his mind. Hopefully one day it won't be unusual for a woman to seek the presidency in the US. We are hardly in any position to point out the regressive policies of other nations. We COULD lead by example, that always works best.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
27. Take a look at this article in Time magazine circa 2002.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:20 PM
Jul 2013

To understand why Evo Morales has come within a llama's hair of being President of Bolivia — and why his formidable political power is giving U.S. officials fits — pay attention when he and his top advisers open their mouths. That is, see what they're chewing: coca leaves, treasured by Andean Indians like Morales as a sacred tonic and as their most lucrative cash crop but better known to Americans as the raw material of cocaine

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,332053,00.html#ixzz2Y86NQdJR

Morales is/was a coca farmer and hates the US for the war on drugs. He also hated that the government was removing coca crops. Correa is the same way. His father was caught smuggling drugs and did time in a US prison. Correa hates the US for that.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
33. He has boxes in his garage!!!! Hes married to a pole-dancer!!!!!
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:39 PM
Jul 2013

Good lord, the Personality Cult is positively unhinged. I don't care if the guy believes in the Great Pumpkin....you simply don't force down a head of state's airplane and demand to inspect it. Obama not only looks the impotent bully, but he's embarrassed tne US and our EU puppets. Lets see wehat happens next time the US needs cooperation fighting terrorism, or is looking to extradict a SA drug smuggler. We'll get told to go fuck ourselves, and rightly so. Obama's arrogance and beligerence are making the country less safe.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
50. Drug Kingpins, probably.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:20 PM
Jul 2013

And perhaps death squad leaders, Shining Path. All beyond our grasp now.
And I imagine the next time we ask Portugal, et al, to stop a plane; they'll tell us to fuck off. Making your puppets look like puppets, and leaving them to take the heat, is a sure way to preclude future cooperation. Obama really stepped on his dick this time.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
36. Sounds like a drama monarch
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:45 PM
Jul 2013

Now it makes sense he's claiming he was "kidnapped" or "held hostage." No wonder he's the pet of the emoprogs. And they are already crying "smears" without even denying he said this.

Hugo Chavez had cancer. Anyone blaming that on the US is crazy.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
45. You guys are sounding like the birthers used to
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:10 PM
Jul 2013

You've just about kicked yourselves free of the Earth.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
49. NO, you guys sound like that
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:20 PM
Jul 2013

Birthers were full of absurd hyperbole, and so are those calling Evo's plane issue a kidnapping, etc. or especially claiming that anyone "killed" Chavez, when he had cancer.

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
54. You've lauded at international law and diplomacy.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jul 2013

So no, you don't sound like a birther to me, but you do appear to share Teabagger ideology when it comes to foreign relations.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
59. You have no idea what you are talking about
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:32 PM
Jul 2013

Quit trying to "smear" me and look at the real issues. Saying Chavez, who had cancer, was killed by anyone is the mark of an insane person. It's not something at teabagger would say in any event.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
41. Evo is a bunny stomper, Evo is a bunny stomper.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 09:54 PM
Jul 2013

"He's really not altogether there, if you know what I mean. "

OFCS! Get a grip. And yes, hormones in the food supply are a realk health threat to fertility and to early onset of puberty. People know that if they reached outside of corporate media for information.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
43. And, just who did Morales think "almost certainly poisoned" Chavez? Oh, let me guess..
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:05 PM
Jul 2013


President Obama?

And, what's up with that "Chicken causes baldness and homosexuality"?! What's he got against chicken, baldness, and Gays?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
53. They hate anyone who criticizes Dear Leader.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:27 PM
Jul 2013

And they embrace mass surveillence of citizens, killing civilians (including children) with drones, and throwing the US's weight around like a bully. Basically, all the shit that Bush was hated for they embrace, because Obama has a D after his name. If Obama ate babies on the front lawn of the WH, they would applaud.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
62. Interesting
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:35 PM
Jul 2013

- I'm actually opposed to many of the surveillance tactics.

- I've posted numerous times about my opposition to drone strikes. Search my posting history on drones.

- I'm for the US throwing its weight around? Nope. I opposed the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. I also opposed Obama's intervention in Libya and I oppose any possible intervention in Syria. See my posting history if you want.

However, if Obama did eat a baby on the White House lawn, I would applaud him. Yes!11!!


Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
66. Truth.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:44 PM
Jul 2013

A frequent response to anyone critical of Obama or his admin is hate-filled character assassination. Attempted at least. Some do it with other issues as well. It's a stain on the board.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
58. I'm very sympathetic to the Latin American left and recognize that the USA has been dominating there
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:31 PM
Jul 2013

for over a century.

I have been to many Latin American countries, speak fluent Spanish, been to Cuba many times, have met a lot of Latin American Left leaders in Central America, Cuba and in the USA.

Here's my problem with Evo and Evogate. For the first time I'm seeing the Left in Latin America and Europe use the tools of disinformation to get their way. I have never seen such a bogus amount of spin and false statements and reporting on an event. If not cleared up it will leave damaging impressions that are not necessary.

Usually the left has had to keep it's nose clean with stories with a right wing that lied as a matter of course with the help of the media.

Now I guess it's the left's turn to be opportunistic and we have the Guardian and unethical Twitterers leading the way.
Fair's fair in historical terms it's hard to get back at the USA, but it's disappointing.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
67. Of course-- he has to be a horrible person. He criticized your hero.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:47 PM
Jul 2013

I'm so sick of this pavlovian character assassination bullshit. You can set a fucking clock by it.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
70. It's chicken now?! I thought it was BPA:
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 10:49 PM
Jul 2013
Alex Jones: The Government Is Trying to Make More Gay People

By Bob Cesca · January 24, 2013

...Amazingly, however, this wasn’t the kookiest conspiracy theory to be churned up this week. That honor goes to a theory mentioned by Alex Jones in a video originally picked up by Gawker and resurrected by The Huffington Post the other day. In it, Jones makes the hilarious claim that the reason there are “so many gay people” in America is because the U.S. government is deliberately trying to reduce the birthrate with estrogen-mimicking chemicals in our juice boxes. Yes, juice boxes. The government is making more gay people as a birth control method using juice boxes.

Here’s exactly what Jones said:

“The reason there’s so many gay people now is because it’s a chemical warfare operation! I have the government documents where they said they’re going to encourage homosexuality with chemicals so that people don’t have children. [...]

Hey, let’s stop drinking out of estrogen-mimicking containers. And again, I even catch myself, Bob, drinking out of these estrogen mimickers because it’s everywhere. I mean, take this [holds up juice box]. I don’t know, but I should check. This is probably lined with the type of plastic that has it. But I still grabbed this off the shelf this morning. Even though it says it’s organic, that’s not enough. In fact, let me — guys, give me a knife so I can tear into this. Let’s see if it’s lined with it. In fact, it’ll probably say it if it’s lined with it inside the plastic packaging. [...]

After you’re done drinking your little juices, well, I mean, you’re ready to go out and have a baby. You’re ready to put makeup on. You’re ready to wear a short skirt. You’re ready to go, you know, put together a, you know, garden of roses or something. You’re ready to put lipstick on.”


http://thedailybanter.com/2013/01/alex-jones-the-government-is-trying-to-make-more-gay-people/

Okay, let's go with this. Government is wants people to stop with the red meat and go with the lean. Real man eat red meat?

Check!

Chicken is a plot against men. Yup. Although to give him his due, Morales did specify hormone-laden chicken, which is banned in some countries. Maybe poultry hunted down in the wild will be safe.

Otherwise, men had better stay away from BPA, soy, cellphones, tap water, vaccines, etc. just to be on the safe side!

Myself being of the other persuasion, may consider eating chicken and making sure I get my daily does of BPA. At least one gender would survive, but damn, I would truly miss men. They are the most entertaining creatures on the planet, right after cats.



What do I need here, a icon or a icon. Apply liberally, no reason to go hating for reporting this to expand upon the dietary issues in the OP.


Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
73. He looks like a Bolivian Wayne Newton impersonator to me.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:27 PM
Jul 2013

I wonder if they have Elvis impersonators in Bolivia.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
76. I can see it!
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 11:54 PM
Jul 2013

Thanks for the comic relief.

You do know of course that you might be swarmed by people calling you racist for that.. I know it makes no sense.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
79. Snowden case: France apologises to Bolivia over plane row
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:11 AM
Jul 2013

Source: BBC

France has apologised to Bolivia for refusing to allow President Evo Morales' jet into its airspace, blaming "conflicting information".

Bolivia accused France, Italy, Spain and Portugal of blocking the plane.

It said some wrongly believed US fugitive Edward Snowden was on board.

Speaking in Berlin, French President Francois Hollande said he granted permission as soon as he knew it was Mr Morales' plane.

President Morales was flying back to Bolivia from Moscow when the plane was forced to stop in Vienna.

Angry reactions

The French foreign ministry issued a statement on the incident.

Ministry spokesman Philippe Lalliot said: "The foreign minister called his Bolivian counterpart to tell him about France's regrets after the incident caused by the late confirmation of permission for President Morales' plane to fly over territory."


Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23174874

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
87. Must character assasinated, must character assasinate.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 12:39 AM
Jul 2013

It's almost a rabid, zombie-like compulsion lately. I've been noticing it's a small tight group of you that are doing this every time there is a political misstep by this administration. Instead of holding our govt accountable, you all attack the individuals, such as Morales, who are undeniably the victims.

It's a pahetic way of avoiding a problem that needs to be addressed and a waste of pixels. Man-up and deal with it head-on, my friend.

boilerbabe

(2,214 posts)
90. well it is known fact the CIA tried to poison Castro''s cigars sooooo i wouldnt be so flippant
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 01:42 AM
Jul 2013

while attempting to defend your beloved president.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
94. Sounds like what a good German would write. Enemies of the State and all that.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:37 AM
Jul 2013

Lowlife behavior. Really sleazy OP.

An attack on Morales does nothing to change the facts of what happened, but it does illuminate the shadiness of YOUR character.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
95. Thanks
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jul 2013

At least you didn't call me racist this time for posting a pic of Morales.

So how do you think Chavez got his cancer? CIA radiation gun? Perhaps we should ask Evo because he's got more information on this than anybody, other than the CIA of course

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
96. I think those things are only relevant if you want to muddy the waters.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 03:25 AM
Jul 2013

It has nothing to do with the actions of the nations that inhibited the movement of a leader of a sovereign nation.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
107. Of course actual doctors and scientists say that the "cancer poisoning" CT is absolute bullshit.
Fri Jul 5, 2013, 02:50 PM
Jul 2013
http://gawker.com/5989283/could-the-us-have-assassinated-hugo-chavez-using-cancer

There are tons of regular old poisons that meet those criteria. But does anything like that exist to give you cancer? We asked some cancer experts.

"No."—Vincent T. Devita Jr. MD, Amy and Joseph Perella Professor of Medicine, Yale Cancer Center.

"None that I am aware of."—Al Benson MD, Professor of Oncology, Northwestern University.

"Pure insanity."—Steven T. Rosen MD, Director, Robert H. Lurie Comprehensive Cancer Center, Northwester University. [He added, "Not even polonium," the radioactive isotope that has been used in political assassinations. Polonium poisoning resembles the end stages of cancer, but it does not kill through cancer per se.]


But OMGZ CHARACTER ASSASINATION, AUTHORITARIANS, OLIGARCHS, ORWELLIAN, CORPORATISTS, DID I MISS ANY OVERUSED IN THE WRONG CONTEXT BUZZWORDS?!!!!
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