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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGreenwald: I Didn’t Even Know Snowden’s Name Until He Was In Hong Kong
Glenn Greenwald, one of the reporters to whom Edward Snowden leaked classified National Security Agency documents, said Monday that he did not even know "where Mr. Snowden worked or what his name was until he was in Hong Kong with the documents."
On CNN's "The Lead With Jake Tapper," Tapper brought up the case of Fox News reporter James Rosen, who was investigated by the Justice Department for his role in receiving sensitive information from a government source. Tapper asked the Guardian reporter if he advised Snowden on how to transfer the documents or did anything similar to Rosen.
"Not only did I not do more than Mr. Rosen was accused of doing by the Justice Department when he was called a co-conspirator, I did much, much less," Greenwald said. "I didn't even know where Mr. Snowden worked or what his name was until after he was in Hong Kong with the documents. We had some preliminary communication with him about how to communicate secretly in a way that would be secure. But other than that, nothing."
Watch the exchange below:
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/greenwald-i-didnt-know-what-snowden-did-until
Huh. Greenwald said he's been working with Snowden since February. He's been at BAH since March
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022984574
The problem with defending Snowden.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023083768
JI7
(89,283 posts)"almost"
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)is more or less comfortable than those in Moscow and London
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I have no doubt the justice department will now examine Mr. Greenwald very very closely.
And they should.
How long before we see Greenwald feeling to China and Russia?
Cha
(297,935 posts)now? Oh, nevermind..
BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)Wow you guys are waaaaaay out there...Greenwald speaks the truth regardless if it's his Democratic Party in power or not. You make me feel ashamed for MY Democratic Party of which I have campaigned for since 1985...you are all acting like the Bush followers with their blinders on. This is way beyond Obama and when you say nothing is Obama's fault because he's up against so much power then you better extend that gratuity to a journalist like Glenn who is up against much more including the myopic reactions of his fellow countrymen...I sincerely do not understand those who are smearing him...makes me wonder if it's Republicans because I have news for you...Republicans are not supporting Snowden in an effort to make Obama look bad...they are way to married to the military industrial/surveillance/policestate complex than to ever go along with a truthteller like Snowden or Greenwald. Electing Obama didn't change anything as evidenced by the evidence and Im truly sorry for that but Im not an ostrich with my head in the sand....if you read Snowdens interviews you would see that he wanted to come out under Bush but hesitated because he like all of us figured Obama would end these practices as promised...he got disillusioned after a few years of seeing that we have basically a Bush 4th term in his eyes so he came out now. I remember when hardcore Republican loonies finally gave up on Bush because they couldn't ignore Katrina, Iraq, the Financial Meltdown etc but there were always a few staunch defenders left because no one wants to admit the failure of 'their guy'. I am a Progressive now and I support guys like Russ Feingold, Alan Greyson, Michael Moore et....keep the faith and let the truth shine because as Orwell said, "When we live in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." Peace.
sheshe2
(84,005 posts)Then~
Huh. Greenwald said he's been working with Snowden since February. He's been at BAH since March
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022984574
And now~
This is the OP you just posted to.
Greenwald: I Didnt Even Know Snowdens Name Until He Was In Hong Kong
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023085699
And your quote:
IMHO you might want to read the Op and Links that are posted before you respond. Your quote says you value truth and disdain deceit. Sure doesn't sound like Greenwald has been truthful.
BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)He never says he knew his name...just that he had been in contact with him...its very possible that Snowden didnt reveal his identity.
sheshe2
(84,005 posts)when first we practice to deceive~
Civilization2
(649 posts)What is it you are advocating? Total corporate control, and zero free speech?
"justice department will now examine Mr. Greenwald very very closely"
for what exactly? reporting the truth about how the government lies and has overstepped its mandate?
Sheesh,. what asshattery.
Cha
(297,935 posts)still_one
(92,492 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Greenwald stands for freedom of the press.
Glenn Greenwald vs. Cass Sunstein - Battle Royal, in their own words!
So, what you stand for must be something else.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Nietzsche: Beware those in whom the urge to punish is strong.
Indeed.
BumRushDaShow
(129,883 posts)and everything to do with dismissing bullshit reporters who manage to take a very serious and valid issue regarding domestic spying and creating a tabloid circus out of it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Still rather be there in the flames with Greenwald than sipping a mai tai with this guy:
Cass Sunstein.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)is only permitted in Texas.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)...the agents of the state-us quo, organized and out in force.
Greenwald stood up to Bush when Corporate McPravda and almost all the "leftist" reporters were AWOL. And he still stands against secret government, especially its more corrupt agencies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021255207
His critics are either making a mistake or don't know what they're talking about.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)flamingdem
(39,335 posts)Russ Meyers the genius
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)The freedom for the Murdoch group to tap the phones of people? How about listening to voice mail messages on a dead girls phone? How about generating and publishing bogus polls to direct elections. How about twisting and ommitting truths in story telling to manipulate a story?
The noble cause of the press isn't really all that noble, unbiased and without leading the public in a 'paid' direction. At least not in my books.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)Lies will eventually catch up.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)flamingdem
(39,335 posts)though I'm sure it won't be needed
Kahuna
(27,312 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)All he is saying here is that he didn't know Snowden's name. His name. It is quite conceivable that Snowden was using a pseudonym while they were communicating, and that Greenwald was aware of that and was agreeable to it. This is not the bombshell that the OP thinks it is.
Historic NY
(37,458 posts)if he was working with Snowden before his employment Booz Allen Hamilton.
At the time of his departure from the US in May 2013, he had been working for consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton for less than three months as a system administrator inside the NSA at the Kunia Regional SIGINT Operations Center in Hawaii.
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/edward-snowden-nsa-leaker-glenn-greenwald-barton-gellman-92505.html#ixzz2VrPnKjNf
Its beginning to look like this was engineered....time will tell.
Cha
(297,935 posts)http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/24/chat-away-questions/#comments
Oh, and btw.. that's "the reality".
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)The very last in the conversation says "is this the post you deleted? We found it"
People are so considerate sometimes!
Whisp
(24,096 posts)the smite button didn't work so good for Anthony either.
he revealed a bit too much with that tweet
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Here is the tweet that has never been deleted. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/344040301972815872
joshcryer
(62,287 posts)I don't know how twitter works exactly but why would it not be in his feed?
Yes, I understand the link is still there, and active, but if you scroll down in his feed around June 10 his response to that guy isn't there:
Apparently @ggreenwald is so powerful he's in charge of hiring for Booz. Pretty stunning. For a loner, I mean.
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Salon.com @Salon 10 Jun
.@ggreenwald exposed a shadowy world of private contractors and spying. Here are all its key players (via @TimothyS) http://slnm.us/wG0kjEu
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Steve Pearce @steven_pearce 10 Jun
@ggreenwald responds to lies about him (jan '13 article). Interesting read, like is honesty on his personal evolution http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/30/1182442/-Glenn-Greenwald-Responds-to-Widespread-Lies-About-Him-on-Cato-Iraq-War-and-more
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Kebabi Kebabi @k_kebabi 10 Jun
@ggreenwald Sullivan: "He could have even gone to a member of Congress who wasnt briefed and gotten him or her involved."
HA HA HA
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
Completely figures that Andrew Sullivan is channeling this moronic conspiracy theory - HE WORKED AT NSA SINCE 2009!!! http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/06/10/enter-the-media-martyr/
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Tom Belknap @dragonflyeye 10 Jun
Must say: pretty disappointed with former Lefty warriors against Bush Admin surveillance lining up to defend Obama Admin surveillance.
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
Yes, Snowden only worked at Booz Allen for a few months - but has been working w/NSA since 2009, w/other companies, including Dell
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Kevin Wagner @truthaddict83 10 Jun
.@ggreenwald If Obama and the NSA haven't done anything wrong, what do they have to hide?
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Kerry Lauerman @kerrylauerman 10 Jun
Wow. RT @DanielEllsberg: There has not been in American history a more important leak than Snowden's http://ow.ly/lSrjM
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Cenk Uygur @cenkuygur 10 Jun
The #NSA actions are clearly against the fourth amendment. Are supporters saying they don't care about 4th amend or constitution?
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Jeff Jarvis @jeffjarvis 10 Jun
http://www.wbur.org/listen/live RT @ggreenwald: Live on NPR now, for the next hour with Tom Ashbrook.
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
Live on NPR now, for the next hour with Tom Ashbrook.
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Eli Lake @EliLake 10 Jun
If we knew all about the NSA programs @ggreenwald and his source disclosed, then why is the leak so damaging to national security? #bothways
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Strobe Talbott @strobetalbott 8 Jun
.@Guardian emerging as global source of old-fashioned journalism via new media: e.g., breaking data mining story. Good on them, good for us
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Lorraine @Ms_Raine 10 Jun
YUP RT @Sttbs73 Anyone else think @ggreenwald should be tried for treason alongside #snowden
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
Irony: there's nobody hated more by those who play "journalists" on TV than those who bring transparency to the US Government
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TODAY @todayshow 10 Jun
"There's not a single revelation...that remotely jeopardizes national security." -@GGreenwald
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Morning Joe @Morning_Joe 10 Jun
.@ggreenwald says 'rampant abuse' needs sunlight and that is why Snowden came forward. Our interview: http://nbcnews.to/104Sp6t #morningjoe
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TODAY @todayshow 10 Jun
MT ?@MeleaAdrianna Up on @TodayShow: @GGreenwald talks to @SavannahGuthrie about breaking the NSA snooping story. 15 to air.
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
The last generation's greatest whistleblower, Daniel Ellsberg, on one of this genreation's greatest, Edward Snowden http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/10/edward-snowden-united-stasi-america?CMP=twt_gu
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
If everyone is so sure this spying is legal, why does Obama DOJ keep preventing federal courts from ruling on its constitutionality?
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Peter Kofod @peterkofod 10 Jun
Now is a good time to re-read @ggreenwald 's piece on the bravery of whistle-blowers: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/07/whistleblowers-and-leak-investigations #IStandforEdwardSnowden #NSA
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
For all you overnight experts on the state of civil liberties in Hong Kong, read @JamesFallows http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/edward-snowden-in-hong-kong/276692/
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
For all of you criticizing Snowden's choice about where to go: feel free to offer what you think was his better alternative.
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
We'll be putting the focus back where it belongs very shortly: on the conduct of the US Government
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
Instead of criticizing Snowden for trying to stay out of US prisons, we should ask why whistleblowers in the US feel compelled to flee
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
Bart Gellman's claims about Snowden's interactions with me - when, how and why - are all false.
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digby @digby56 10 Jun
A profile in courage #EdwardSnowden http://bit.ly/19dS1pk
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Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald 10 Jun
Any Twitter or Facebook accounts purporting to be Edward Snowden are fake.
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Trevor Timm @trevortimm 10 Jun
I was just with Dan Ellsberg as he learned out about Edward Snowden. He called Snowden a hero, said he's been waiting for him for 40 years.
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So maybe that's why people saying it was deleted. I think responses don't necessarily show up in ones feed?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And yes. The link has been posted on this thread so the tweet hasn't been deleted. If it had been deleted, the post would not appear. You went to all this trouble to support a lie.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)He refers to Snowden as 'him'...not by name. There is no contradiction...and you don't think Clapper lied????? Everyone saw it from a direct question by my favorite Senator, Ron Wyden. No mincing words...flat out lied. You want Greenwald to be the enemy? Please get your priorities straight...you say you are a Democrat...a Democrat would not support lies, deceit and criminality...I miss JFK.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)he didn't say he TALKED to him. He said he and Laura Poitras have worked with him since February.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Response to ProSense (Original post)
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)sucker? Was it your hero Rand or the old man?
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)If not that Secretary of State under Rand Paul
the dickhead dept.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Instead he shit the bed.
Cha
(297,935 posts)Kaboom.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Why are you acting like it does?
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Infowars is thataway.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)And your info wars reference is laughable. You are the one who trades in misrepresentation and speculation, as I have pointed out many times before.
There is nothing here inconsistent with what Greenwald has said previously, that I can see.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Why would Greenwald need to know his name or where he worked in order to communicate with him. I don't know your name or where you work.
Cha
(297,935 posts)tip toe around that.
People are all freaking out because they say James Clapper "lied" when he couldn't give certain revelations to Congress. But, Greenwald's a Liar.. "oh who cares?"
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Wow...that's kinda harsh isn't it? He's a journalist. No need to swear...we are all on the same team including Glenn...I'm assuming. I dont comment here much but have visited every day for many years. Obviously you are dedicated given the tens of thousands of posts you have...you should be getting paid for that kind of work you are putting in.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)No really, we aren't. We are all God's children, yes. But Greenwald is a Koch-CATO-Libertarian funded swifttboater and saboteur and this is Democratic Underground. Not only is he not on our team, he is on the Teabagger-right and they are, to put it mildly, our political rivals.
Now that we've straightened all that out I hope, welcome!
BehindTheCurtain76
(112 posts)I cannot believe that for a second...Ive been reading his columns forever and he definitely sounds more like a Progressive further to the left of most people here. Where do you get this stuff...you do know that he is also Gay right? And hated by the Bush lovers. I dont believe a word you're saying. Prove me wrong.
warrior1
(12,325 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Why would you expect Greenwald to know Snowden's private info during their initial conversations?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)what it is your posts are supposed to be proving?
Because I can't find anything in them like what people are claiming them to prove, which is the point of the post you are laughing at.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)what it is your posts are supposed to be proving?
Because I can't find anything in them like what people are claiming them to prove, which is the point of the post you are laughing at.
...others seem to have no problem understanding them so I take this as obfuscation.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You mean the people who think this means Greenwald lied about what he did, when there is no evidence he did?
I really would like to know. If I'm missing something, show it to me. I knew Greenwald said he had communication with Snowden in February. I saw the tweet when he first tweeted it. And hadn't forgotten it. I know he is saying he didn't know his name until Hong Kong. What am I missing. No, it's not obfuscation, so, wrong on that, too, apparently. Not that there's not a lot of obfuscation going on.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Take it up with them.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)your post. I said they were taking things from it that weren't there. I asked you to explain your response to LA, because his was the same point. You didn't answer his question or explain your response. By the way, I did ask them to explain. No one responded.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 24, 2013, 10:27 PM - Edit history (1)
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)You seem to be getting too personally involved with this Greenwald flake.
That's not a good idea.
I don't think you know him very well.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)He's not going to be able to smartmouth his way out of this.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)By the way, I've been here 10 years, reading Greenwald's blog for almost as long, and following his Twitter account for almost as long.
It's not so much Greenwald I care about as people here making shit up and using fallacious arguments like "if he got a lawyer, he is guilty of something."
I can't imagine why Greenwald would want a lawyer:
http://www.guardiannews.com/commentisfree/2013/jun/24/surveillance-us-national-security
Barr believed that had piqued the interest of the "FBI, the Director of National Intelligence, and the US military". In fact, it had merely made him a marked man: two days later, as Wired reported, Anonymous "took down [HBGary Federal's] website, stole his emails, deleted the company's backup data, trashed Barr's Twitter account and remotely wiped his iPad." For his part, Brown created Project PM, "a crowd-sourced wiki focused on government intelligence contractors" to delve through the tens of thousands of emails taken from HBGary Federal's servers.
A critical element in the story concerns the fact that, according to one of the leaked emails, the companies were hoping that "if they can show that WikiLeaks is hosting data in certain countries it will make prosecution easier." The hacked emails also revealed, Forbes reported, that Barr was hoping to sell the information on Anonymous members to the FBI. The fact that Barr was stoking interest among security agencies with a dossier of supposed Anonymous members containing incorrect names meant that innocent people might have been jailed if he had succeeded in his scheme.
Barr resigned and HBGary Federal was subsequently shuttered. But the story doesn't end there. In July 2011, the Anonymous-linked "AntiSec" raided Booz Allen Hamilton and made off with 90,000 emails. One allegation that emerged from the cache was that BAH had been working with HBGary Federal "to develop software that would allow for the creation of multiple fake social media profiles to infiltrate discussion groups and manipulate opinion on the sites and discredit people, as well as to match personas online with offline identities."
Within days of the Team Themis scandal, Palantir issued a statement announcing that it was cutting ties with HBGary Federal and issued an apology to Greenwald.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You got nothing, huh?
Notice you didn't address anything else I pointed out. Do me a favor and quit talking to me.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)But, your "I've been here 10 years" comment is totally ironic.
That's what Snowden and Greenwald are going to be telling other prisoners on their cell block in 11 years!!!!
OilemFirchen
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I'm happy, in this case, to temporarily abandon the habit:
Greenwald's "career" is over.
May he join Stephen Glass, Jason Blair and Jeff Gannon in ignominy.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Snowden is frequently attacked, much of it ridiculous and childish and clearly part of a larger effort to completely discredit him.
From my perspective, it seems a strategy of discrediting anyone who says anything negative about the president or 'makes the president look bad.' That's how most of the attack-Snowden posts come across to me. Just like the "you're a racist if you criticize Obama" ones. You know what I'm talking about.
But I never considered it from the poster's perspective. What motivates one to go directly to the character of the person who expresses the wrong opinion or shares a piece of silly news, and just go to town? Like in this case with Snowden. Say you guys succeed and he becomes despised worldwide. What does that get Obama, when all that Snowden exposed and has yet to expose is still there? How is Obama helped, image-wise?
Or is it just diversion, and that's all?
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)FYI
grantcart
(53,061 posts)doubtful as it was reported in depth in his Guardian article.
"I didn't even know where Mr. Snowden worked
More to the point the question isn't whether GG knew how to spell his name but whether or not he was offering him substantive assistance which he apparently boasted about. It seems clear that there was advanced consultation, I don't know why GG is being evasive, if he thinks nothing bad was done he should be straightforward about it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)information about someone he did not know and did now know where he worked? Anyone could claim to have access.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,352 posts)Maybe he didn't know the name of the firm but knew what kind of work he performed??
I assume the NSA has more than one subcontractor?
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)the top secret information. To say that he didn't know the guy's name or company name is quite disingenuous.
But for me it is quite irrelevant. GG like Assange act as publishers and I find them quite harmless even though I don't like either of them.
If GG or Assange didn't publish the information then another media outlet would have. The legal responsibility lies with the leaker not the publisher. And while I don't like Snowden either I have to admit I give him some credit for at least standing up publicly and taking credit for what he did. I don't think he has any idea of the legal ramifications he will feel the rest of his life but at least he didn't try and do it secretly like Manning did.
Th1onein
(8,514 posts)I'm not going to say whether I agree with them or not. But you should read the post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023087733
I think you should probably respond to it, as well. I, for one, would be interested to hear your explanation/defense.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)Thanks for pointing that out.
"I think you should probably respond to it, as well. I, for one, would be interested to hear your explanation/defense."
No, I'm full, thanks.
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MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)joshcryer
(62,287 posts)ie, can a journalist communicate with someone who is willingly gathering information before the act or must the information already be gathered?
I would think it would be their responsibility to act.
Say, for instance, a serial killer told a journalist, "I am a murderer and am planning to kill someone." Would that not be the journalists' obligation to come forward with information to stop the future killing?
At minimum I would hope GG said "Please do not contact me again unless you have something useful to provide."
Skraxx
(2,985 posts)Huh?