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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/24/glenn-greenwald-pushes-back-hard-on-latest-edward-snowden-revelations/By Greg Sargent, Published: June 24, 2013 at 4:16
Much is being made today of the news that Edward Snowden told the South China Morning Post that hed taken the job at Booz Allen the firm contracted by the NSA for the explicit purpose of getting access to classified documents that prove widespread surveillance. Some are even using the news to raise questions about the motives behind Glenn Greenwalds reliance on documents leaked by Snowden.
But in an interview this afternoon, Greenwald dismissed the significance of the new revelations, saying they fit in logically with the chronology thats already publicly known about Snowden and he challenged critics to show proof of any wrongdoing on his part.
Anybody who wants to accuse me or anyone at the Guardian of aiding and abetting Snowden has the obligation to point to any specific evidence to support that accusation, Greenwald told me. Otherwise theyre just spouting reckless innuendo.
Snowden told the South China Morning Post: My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked. That is why I accepted that position about three months ago.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/24/glenn-greenwald-pushes-back-hard-on-latest-edward-snowden-revelations/
randome
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flamingdem
(39,335 posts)Now Greenwald can't slip away from what he surely helped to inspire. This is not Julian Assange and the Ecuadorians probably don't want another dude hanging out in their Embassy, this time in Moscow, scarfing all the vodka!
It's all going to come out in a trial, one can imagine.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)And calling him "the little shit" greatly diminishes any argument you are trying to make.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)...he's throwing Snowden under a bus?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)See the video in the video forum. From yesterday's program.
So not likely an attempt to throw Snowden under the bus - more like parroting charges that have been made against him recently.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)More baseless stuff from you.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Journalists can be prosecuted if they conspire with someone to break the law. IANAL but that's what I think.
The New York Times, and The Washington Post, received the info without having told Ellsberg to get it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg#The_Pentagon_Papers
Speaking of Ellsberg:
On June 10, 2013, Ellsberg published an editorial in The Guardian newspaper praising the actions of former Booz Allen worker Edward Snowden in revealing top-secret surveillance programs of the NSA.[41] Ellsberg believes that the United States has fallen into an "abyss" of total tyranny, but said that because of Snowden's revelations, "I see the unexpected possibility of a way up and out of the abyss."
Here's what Snowden seems to have done in regards Greenwald.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Snowden#Media_disclosures
Snowden first made contact with documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras in January 2013.[36] According to Poitras, Snowden chose to contact her after seeing her report on William Binney, an NSA whistleblower, in The New York Times. She is a board member of the Freedom of the Press Foundation along with journalist Glenn Greenwald.[37] Greenwald, reporting for The Guardian, said he had been working with Snowden since February,[38] and Barton Gellman, writing for The Washington Post, says his first "direct contact" was on May 16.[39] However, Gellman alleges Greenwald was only involved after the Post declined to guarantee publication of the full documents within 72 hours.[39] Gellman says he told Snowden "we would not make any guarantee about what we published or when....Snowden replied succinctly, 'I regret that we werent able to keep this project unilateral.' Shortly afterward he made contact with Glenn Greenwald of the British newspaper The Guardian."[39]
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)"Hey, I only shot the film!"
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Recursion
(56,582 posts)It's a fine line. Undercover journalism can be important, but I don't want a journalist lying to me to get information about me.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I think there are lots of reporters guilty of BadThink. We should make a list.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)about that little diddy. Bank on it!
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You incriminated yourself.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Cha
(297,935 posts)Nothing.
Tarheel
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)The right-wing, authoritarian, and let's be honest, paid brigade of posters on this site are really doing a disservice to whichever pr firm is putting them out here, assuming that firm isn't trying to take apart the Democratic coalition. Their round-the-clock bullying may, and often does, succeed in shutting down critical opinion on DU, but that just pushes the discussion to other platforms. Reddit has gone from mostly positive to downright venomous towards the Democratic Party in a months time. It's a terrible omen - Reddit may be more white and male than the population as a whole, but they backed Obama strongly in 2012 and 2008.
We are at risk of losing a large segment of this generation to Libertarianism, a false philosophy that portrays itself as a Constitution-based reform movement that is above Party politics, when it is nothing less than a front for Fascism. And what is the response of the *Wise Shepherds* attempting to guide the Democratic flock? Release the trolls to shut down debate. Great plan.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)advocate jailing journalists. I think that attitude is one of which the vast majority of our founding fathers (and mothers) would vehemently disapprove. The idea of a 'a free press' goes to the heart and soul of who we are as a nation and what sets us apart from the decadent aristocracies and monarchies of Europe.
randome
(34,845 posts)Do you think they never do anything illegal? If Greenwald aided Snowden in stealing documents, he is guilty of aiding and abetting a potential criminal.
There is nothing wrong with publishing secrets. But aiding a criminal is another matter entirely.
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HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)elaborate?
Euphoria
(448 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)just a kid who likes Pepsi, and can't be separated from his computer, without trauma.
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)okaawhatever
(9,478 posts)thought he could dole out information on his terms. I'm wondering if China was the one who wanted "to protect" him by removing him from the hotel and into a government safe house. I'm also questioning why he came pretty close to being off the radar during that time. I also question why Greenwald didn't seem to be getting the stories or the access during that time. It seems the main stories were being reported in the South China newspaper.
The tweet that came during Snowden's time at the airport said he had been seen by a doctor. Could be nothing, but it's odd.
All in all, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if Snowden had been "protected" a little more than he wanted by the Chinese.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)This whole saga is just strange in so many ways. And now Assange has once again inserted himself into a news story. The last thing this kid needs is to get Assange stank on him. He reached out to a dude who can't step foot off the grounds of a government embassy for advice on how to elude capture? If Assange has all these "connections", why the hell is he still holed up after a year? I think that's pretty rich.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)South African newspapers because the government closely monitors them to make sure they are only printing the truth. Perhaps it's about time we initiate that policy in America too?
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I'd like to see him humbled a bit, but certainly nothing like that.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Over-the-top certainly describes my response, but it can also describe Greenwald's "journalistic" integrity. Thanks for that.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)He is really more of a pundit, if anything.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Romulus Quirinus
(524 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)In fact, as the URL you've posted suggests, the actual title of the op-ed is "Glen Greenwald Pushes Back Hard on Lateste Edward Snowden 'Revelations'". Just wanted to help a little with accuracy.
byeya
(2,842 posts)leftstreet
(36,118 posts)still_one
(92,492 posts)flamingdem
(39,335 posts)so yes it was an editorial comment that I revised slightly
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)flamingdem
(39,335 posts)and don't want to be responsible for shocking some sensitive DUers 'round here
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)Attacking the 1st and 4th amendments isn't easy on a supposedly progressive site, but they're giving it their all.
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)they show themselves ready to toss 'due process' into the quaint and obsolete dustbin of history).
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Just because you claim to be a "journalist", it doesn't give you carte blanche to do whatever you want.
Greenwald says he had contact with Snowden in Feb, but Snowden didn't take the job until March.
The Justice Department will have to look at Greenwald very very closely and I'm sure they are.
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)He probably already has his route through the Amazon picked out. Now that will be a great section of the movie, kind of an Aguirre Wrath of God with Greenwald as Klaus Kinsky and monkees running wild as he sweats with fever.
randome
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flamingdem
(39,335 posts)got to do a little photoshop job there..
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)deurbano
(2,896 posts)Glenn Greenwald on Jake Tapper's program on CNN today:
<<Tapper plays the exchange we linked to earlier this afternoon in which NBC's David Gregory suggested Greenwald may have "aid[ed] and abet[ted]" a crime.
Tapper asks Greenwald if he had worked as closely with his source as James Rosen, the Fox News reporter whom the justice department called a "probable co-conspirator .
Greenwald says the underlying premise of the question is pernicious to the work of truth-telling and chilling to investigative journalism as an enterprise.
That being said, Greenwald says he did not go as far with his source as Rosen went with his.
"I didn't even know where Mr. Snowden worked or what his name was" before meeting him in Hong Kong, Greenwald says. "I had some preliminary communications with him" about how to establish secure channels of communication.
"Other than that, nothing.">>
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)I suspect there's more than meets the eye. And I don't think he's careless, just hard to catch.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)flamingdem
(39,335 posts)regarding working with Greenwald
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Arctic Dave
(13,812 posts)Nice of you to throw out some catnip for them to get all indignant with.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)There's most likely a sealed warrant for his arrest if he does.
MattFromKY
(43 posts)Snowden's sole purpose of seeking employment at Booz was to leak information. Glenn Greenwald was in contact with him before he was employed there.
Greenwald is as guilty as sin and for those of you that will accuse me of being an apologist for this administration... here's some criticism for you:
They have been way too soft on Greenwald since this whole ordeal started.
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)It's just too convenient. Take for example Snowden revealing US hacking in China at the time Obama was in serious talks with Xi. Too many coincidences
welcome by the way!
MattFromKY
(43 posts)Thanks for the welcome!
HardTimes99
(2,049 posts)crime (at least not yet) to publish classified information.
tridim
(45,358 posts)flamingdem
(39,335 posts)adric mutelovic
(208 posts)Why did you want people to think that the article said "sweats"? I'm trying to figure it out but....it's just weird.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)adric mutelovic
(208 posts)I await response by the person whom I asked the question.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)flamingdem
(39,335 posts)which I further embellished.
you'll find that journalists do that -- one title on twitter that's more attention grabbing leads
to the real article
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)But Greenwald told me that when Snowden had initially contacted him, Snowden hadnt even shared his name or where he worked hed simply said he had explosive documents that Greenwald (whose reporting on leak investigations and civil liberties abuses was already widely known) would want to see. At that stage, Greenwald said, their conversations only concerned how to set up an encryption system that Snowden wanted in order to facilitate private communication of documents with him. The system was not set up until several months later, Greenwald said.
It was only in May and not before that Snowden told him who he was, who he worked for (at that point he identified himself as affiliated with the NSA) and what sort of documents he had to share, Greenwald says. It wasnt until June when Greenwald visited Snowden in Hong Kong that Snowden told him he worked specifically for Booz Allen, Greenwald adds.
We had early conversations about setting up encryption, so we worked early on to set that up, Greenwald says. We didnt work on any documents. I didnt even know Edward Snowdens name or where he worked until after he was in Hong Kong with the documents. Anyone who is claiming that somehow I worked with him to get those documents or helped him is just lying.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/06/24/glenn-greenwald-pushes-back-hard-on-latest-edward-snowden-revelations/
I guess the media is struggling to restrain itself and isn't waiting to ask questions before firing off their articles.
Edit: Time I took a break, lol, I'm reposting a link the OP put up! It's a matter of me having too many Tabs open and being struck by a section of an article.
I'll be back after I hit the gym, etc. Sorry about this.
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)This isn't the only one
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)It's just that the OP changed the subject line to match his agenda. The article that both you and the OP linked to doesn't say anything at all about Greenwald sweating.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Ha, I know I'm suffering a bit from it. I think a roughly reliable narrative of some key facts is forming. I'm going to try to be patient.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)And why are you all so eager to convince everybody that it isn't happening.
I just wonder.
randome
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)What fire? It gave off a bunch of smoke, but *I* didn't smell anything since I have cotton balls stuffed up my nose.
randome
(34,845 posts)The legal warrant about phone metadata? We already knew about it.
The spying on other countries? Duh.
Everything else is supported by nothing but his word. Pretty slim pickings from a guy who scared us all with the vague words "I saw things".
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)since I had to wear blinders, and my ears had cotton in them too. It was amazing that I recognized a fire when I felt the heat at all! How could it possibly get that hot?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)still_one
(92,492 posts)should shut up
flamingdem
(39,335 posts)Now I feel bad for his family, they must be very worried, yeesh
still_one
(92,492 posts)Snowden's first interview with the Chinese newspaper. He supported his son at least to some degree, but felt he should stop talking
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)...deserves to be misled.
Trashed
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)and all wouldn't have had anything to do with him snooping for that, right? Like when you talked to him in February and he only went to work there in March...
Must all be coincidence. Sure wouldn't want to be reckless with my free speech would I, Glenn? hmm?
Cha
(297,935 posts)TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
What makes it all so delicious, it was Greenwald's ego that drove him to tweet that oh so damning tweet....
April @ReignOfApril
Hey @lawscribe, check this. Now Greenwald is saying he didn't know Snowden's name until Hong Kong?
Glenn Greenwald, one of the reporters to whom Edward Snowden leaked classified NSA documents, said that he did not even know "where Mr. Snowden worked or what his name was until he was in Hong Kong...
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/greenwald-i-didnt-know-what-snowden-did-until
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/24/chat-away-questions/#comments
Now, of course.. he's the little victim.. wah wah wah peddle faster.
Demit
(11,238 posts)For the life of me I don't understand why people think that Greenwald had to have known Snowden's real name in order to have worked with him. On something like this, wouldn't it have been understandable for Snowden to have used a name other than his real one?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Cha
(297,935 posts)know. little lying fuck has been trying to bring down PBO since the beginning.. how's that workin' out for ya, GG?
He's been working with him since Feb before he started at Booz Allen.. and didn't know his name until Hong Kong.. GG says so. That's not good enough.
Sneaky leakers.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Cha
(297,935 posts)"Finally, I can't help but wonder how Greenwald would approach this if the shoe were on the other foot."
And yet questioning him is reckless innuendo.
"Why not just demonstrate some transparency and publish the communication he had with Snowden? You KNOW that's what he would be demanding if the roles were reversed"
http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2013/06/why-did-snowden-take-job-at-booz-allen.html
Of course, Greenwald is hypocrite.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)else's "transparency", exept their own. Screw 'em.
Cha
(297,935 posts)Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs
Greenwald: "Whether he ends up in the hands of Castro or whatever, it doesn't really make a difference." Done, done, on to the next one.
http://theobamadiary.com/2013/06/24/chat-away-brave-sir-gigi/
Not to his ugly ass.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,250 posts)Snowden has served his purpose as far as GG's concerned.
Cha
(297,935 posts)here's another tweet and some more info from Charles Johnson at Little Green Footballs who wrote the previous one on Snowden being "done".
Glenn Greenwald ✔ @ggreenwald
Completely figures that Andrew Sullivan is channeling this moronic conspiracy theory - HE WORKED AT NSA SINCE 2009!!! http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2013/06/10/enter-the-media-martyr
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42178_Edward_Snowden_Took_NSA_Job_Specifically_to_Steal_Secret_Documents
Who's the Moron now?
Whisp
(24,096 posts)I hope that someone brings that up to GG's face in the next interview and we can watch GG squirm like the little worm he is.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and then reading more things by Sylvia Plath. You really don't want to read anymore. Then you do and discover a bunch of things you would rather have not discovered.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
(2,022 posts)WITH 0 RESPECT FOR THE CONSTITUTION, JOURNALISTS, OR ITS OWN CITIZENS, YOUD BE A FOOL NOT TO.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
A 2009 study of Wikipedia found that most weasel words in it could be divided into three categories:[13]
Numerically vague expressions (e.g. "some people", "experts", "many"
Use of the passive voice to avoid specifying an authority (e.g. "it is said"
Adverbs that weaken (e.g. "often", "probably"
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Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Speaking of "distorting the truth".....
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)always a snake. Perfect example when you dine with buzzards you can't soar with eagles. Get ready Greenwald, he will dump you and anyone else he thinks he can get a bite of news coverage, you have been used.