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(13,985 posts)So what kind of trial he "deserves", becomes irrelevant. Since is guaranteed he won't get a fair one.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)a chance to prove he is innocent?
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Honestly , do you think he has a chance to a fair trial?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)doesn't he? he is charged with espionage, shouldn't he be allowed to present evidence and question witnesses in order to make the government prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt? it is his right.
cali
(114,904 posts)Do you think he can get a fair trial in the U.S.?
I do not.
I'm just sorry I can't unrec your op.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)as is his right.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)you funny...
Ask Bibbey and others about fairness in the US Justice system when it comes to whistleblowers.
You should try comedy. You do have a knack for it.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
G_j
(40,372 posts)of course everyone deserves a fair trial
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Anyway, Binney: Not in jail, still alive. Travels freely. Speaks freely. Thinks Snowden has migrated from whistleblower to traitor.
Fantastic retort!
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)Then we're told in the next breath that he outted critical programs that have damaged our national security.
If he lies then the programs he outted are mere fictions of his imagination and a man need not be tried for flights of fancy. When those people complaining about Snowden can actually get their complaints sorted out we can revisit this question.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)and Snowden is fabricating programs from whole-cloth.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)shouldn't he get his chance to defend himself: question witnesses, present evidence, etc.?
MineralMan
(146,341 posts)However, some people might feel that he shouldn't be tried at all, but should have a parade, instead, and get a medal.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)MineralMan
(146,341 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
The Link
(757 posts)If it doesn't kill you, you are innocent.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)doesn't he deserve that due process?
think
(11,641 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they had all charges dropped, in one case 24 hours before the trial was to start.
You really should do some more reading on this.
Regardless, all three had their lives destroyed.
As I said, you funny, you have a knack for comedy.
At this point I am reminded of an old Soviet era joke about blind kittens.
think
(11,641 posts)any attempt at whistle blowing is an act of futility.....
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
think
(11,641 posts)I am guilty of poor syntax.
But there are those that have told me the NSA and the executive branch are one and same in which case I can't accuse one part without accusing it in whole.
So I am saying that I believe there are those in the NSA who have lied before congress and broken oaths. If you wish to word wrestle me and say I then accuse Obama as he is the head of the executive branch thus the NSA so be it.
I on the other hand believe the Executive branch is what it is and the NSA is an office under that branch which although under the authority of the executive is not wholly representative there of.
Sorry for the confusion and lack of proper wording....
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)nt
think
(11,641 posts)And I don't know if violating the constitution is the same as violating a statute but violating the constitution would seem to carry a fair amount of weight when one is considered in violation of it....
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)gotcha
think
(11,641 posts)Violating the constitution isn't a crime.
It's just silly talk by a secret court stating that our spy organization did something illegal.....
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)think
(11,641 posts)So until the laws are changed and the FISA court ruling is unclassified you are technically correct.
So you win based on a technicality which denies ANYONE the opportunity to have access to the FISA court ruling that the NSA violated the law.
Happy?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)not actual crimes as in things against the law.
think
(11,641 posts)I am clearly saying the NSA violated the law based on a FISA court ruling. Violating the law is a crime.
What the fuck don't you get about that?
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)wouldn't the opposite be true?
think
(11,641 posts)Whether the NSA is now in accordance with the secret law is unknown since once again ALL THINGS are CLASSIFIED.
So until the laws are changed who really knows what the NSA is doing? Even our legally elected representatives in the Senate claim to be in the dark on this. Who is looking out for US?
Does this not disturb you?
arely staircase
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