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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:57 AM Jun 2013

Is it appropriate for flags in NJ to be flown at half-staff in memory of James Gandolfini?

TRENTON, N.J. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie has ordered flags to be flown at half-staff Monday in memory of "Sopranos" star and New Jersey native James Gandolfini.

Gandolfini died Wednesday in Rome at age 51. A family spokesman says he suffered a heart attack.

The governor's order says Gandolfini was an iconic actor who "left a timeless impact upon television and film in the state of New Jersey and across our nation."


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57590533/n.j-flags-to-fly-at-half-staff-mon-for-gandolfini/

NOW, THEREFORE, I, CHRIS CHRISTIE, Governor of the State of New
Jersey, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution
and by the Statutes of this State, do hereby ORDER and DIRECT:

1. The flag of the United States of America and the flag of
the State of New Jersey shall be flown at half-staff at all State
departments, offices, agencies, and instrumentalities during
appropriate hours on Monday, June 24, 2013, in recognition and
mourning of the passing of James Gandolfini.

http://nj.gov/infobank/circular/eocc135.pdf


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Yes. Gandolfini was such an iconic actor that ordering flags to be flown at half-staff in NJ is appropriate.
13 (41%)
No. Ordering flags to be flown at half-staff to honor Gandolfini is not appropriate.
19 (59%)
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Is it appropriate for flags in NJ to be flown at half-staff in memory of James Gandolfini? (Original Post) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 OP
I don't think it's horrible. pnwest Jun 2013 #1
Yes. It was appropriate for Clarence Clemmons as well... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #2
yes. i think it is. acting is a form of art, and artists should be honored La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2013 #3
Yes. and at all times, practice wellness. graham4anything Jun 2013 #4
I don't see what the problem is. HappyMe Jun 2013 #5
I think it is dumb for an actor. n-t Logical Jun 2013 #6
Technically, I don't think Christie has the authority since Gandolfini doesn't meet the criteria. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #7
I see no problem with this. premium Jun 2013 #8
Sure. I am sure his family really appreciates the sentiment. boston bean Jun 2013 #9
It's all silly Fearless Jun 2013 #10
Imo it cheapens the gesture. Don't consider this actor an iconoc figure in the slightest. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #11
Exactly what I think TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #16
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2013 #40
Of course it is... Ohio Joe Jun 2013 #12
If you can fly it for drug addled Whitney Houston why not him? Pelican Jun 2013 #13
I think its a cheap stunt Mosby Jun 2013 #14
Wow. What a cheap thing to say, speaking of cheap. MADem Jun 2013 #27
I know very little about him Mosby Jun 2013 #31
He was someone who "Supported the Troops" in very real ways. MADem Jun 2013 #35
I agree 100% Politicalboi Jun 2013 #52
maybe he's afraid Jonny Sac would rub him out, if he didnt nt karmalk Jun 2013 #15
No, only the NJ State flag should be flown at half-staff. FarCenter Jun 2013 #17
The flag code carries no force of law, no punishment, no nada. It's a recommendation. MADem Jun 2013 #30
The question was whether it is appropriate, not whether it is legal. FarCenter Jun 2013 #32
I think it's appropriate. He was a native son who supported the troops in tangible ways. MADem Jun 2013 #37
lots of people have supported the troops in various ways. the only thing different about HiPointDem Jun 2013 #42
"Lots of people" haven't funded and produced films that discuss PTSD and traumatic brain injury. MADem Jun 2013 #61
that's not why christie ordered the flags. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #64
He's your BFF, and he told you so? nt MADem Jun 2013 #66
Inappropriate RobinA Jun 2013 #46
NJ flag, yes. US flag, no. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #18
I wasn't aware that was Christie's call. Iggo Jun 2013 #19
The state governor controls flags at state/local facilities. former9thward Jun 2013 #45
He's a famous New Jerseyan treestar Jun 2013 #20
Maybe he's scared of karma.. HipChick Jun 2013 #21
Somebody might get whacked if they don't. edbermac Jun 2013 #22
Sure. But why wasn't the flag flown half-staff for the following: Wilms Jun 2013 #23
Tony Soprano, the gangster, was a fictional character brilliantly portrayed by Cleita Jun 2013 #43
I hate it when my humor goes unappreciated. n/t Wilms Jun 2013 #54
No, its not apropriate. darkangel218 Jun 2013 #24
Before I vote, what exactly is the problem with it? Jamastiene Jun 2013 #25
The (completely unenforced, with no penalties for unenforcement) flag code has very strict rules MADem Jun 2013 #38
Yes, I know those are wrong. Jamastiene Jun 2013 #41
There is a section of the Flag Code that "allows" Governors to lower it for soldiers on active duty MADem Jun 2013 #60
Thank you for not using G. Gordon Liddy's thong whistler162 Jun 2013 #47
I actually saved that pic in my photobucket! MADem Jun 2013 #58
Sadly it was used in a thread on whistler162 Jun 2013 #62
Glad I missed that 'un!!! nt MADem Jun 2013 #63
This is a common thing for native sons and daughters. Gandolfini's appeal crosses party lines. MADem Jun 2013 #26
Same discussion on NJ 101.5 JustAnotherGen Jun 2013 #28
Gandolfini was at best a minor celebrity...... Bennyboy Jun 2013 #29
+1 Mosby Jun 2013 #33
He did it for a minor saxphonist! whistler162 Jun 2013 #48
well then... Bennyboy Jun 2013 #53
If Springsteen drops dead tomorrow customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #57
I don't know. But, I wouldn't argue about it. Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #34
He was born in NJ, five minutes (well, maybe 10) from where I'm typing this. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #36
He's a native son who had a successful and accomplished life. Why not honor him? n/t Cleita Jun 2013 #39
Culturally, he's the face of Jersey for millions. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #44
why not? arely staircase Jun 2013 #49
It hurts no-one, and makes some feel better RudynJack Jun 2013 #50
Yes. Certainly more so than the likes of Reagan. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #51
What's the harm? customerserviceguy Jun 2013 #55
Whitney Houston HockeyMom Jun 2013 #56
I am having trouble giving a fuck one way or the other MadrasT Jun 2013 #59
Ha ha ha ha ha Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #70
Local boy made good, I guess. I didn't much care for the man...he's just an actor. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #65
I imagine part of it is his age. Union Scribe Jun 2013 #68
I suppose. But it's not a big surprise, is it? Considering his health. He was obviously unhealthy. Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #72
It's the NJ flag people not the US flag. Get over it. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #67
I think some people here think Tony Soprano was being honored. pnwmom Jun 2013 #69
No, it's both the US and the NJ flags. Read Christie's proclamation in the OP. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #71

pnwest

(3,266 posts)
1. I don't think it's horrible.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jun 2013

I mean, if he's a native, he's done a lot for NJ, and a popular person among the residents... Why the controversy?

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
4. Yes. and at all times, practice wellness.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:21 PM
Jun 2013

It is a major, major loss for the state, which has gone through so much in the last year.

We should all take stock and think about wellness
This was a preventable death yet some want to make fun of those who want wellness(which should be anyone).

Things one overindulges when they are 20 or 30 catches up when you hit 50 and this is stark proof of that.

One minute one is here, the next gone, and yet people make fun of say attempting to rid 48 ounce sodas with a free 48 ounce refill and a bucket of popcorn with icky sticky nauseating butter in it.

Wellness.

As summer is here and people go to the beach also don't forget the sunscreen and generously reapply it, especially if one comes out of the water.

And careful on the fried foods too.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
7. Technically, I don't think Christie has the authority since Gandolfini doesn't meet the criteria.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:27 PM
Jun 2013

No real harm done, I suppose, but here's what Wikipedia says:

Governors of the several U.S. states or territories are authorized by federal law to order all U.S. and state flags in their jurisdiction flown at half-staff as a mark of respect for a former or current state official who has died, or for a member of the armed forces who has died in active duty. The governor's authority to issue the order is more restricted than the president's and does not include the discretion to issue the order for state residents who do not meet the criteria stated. Since a governor's executive order affects only his or her state, not the entire country, these orders are distinguished from presidential proclamations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-mast#United_States

TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
16. Exactly what I think
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jun 2013

I don't care if he's considered iconic or not. He's just an actor. And only known for playing the character of a mob boss.

It's ridiculous.

Ohio Joe

(21,771 posts)
12. Of course it is...
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:31 PM
Jun 2013

An acknowledgement of the passing of a local person that did good is the correct thing to do.

 

Pelican

(1,156 posts)
13. If you can fly it for drug addled Whitney Houston why not him?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jun 2013

The symbolism has lost its potency...

Mosby

(16,395 posts)
14. I think its a cheap stunt
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:36 PM - Edit history (1)

And dishonors others who really deserve recognition at their passing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. Wow. What a cheap thing to say, speaking of cheap.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:19 PM
Jun 2013

It's not the only thing he's done, just because it's the only thing YOU have ever heard of...

Here, educate yourself:
http://www.theprovince.com/entertainment/Remembering+Gandolfini+Alive+Memories/8552942/story.html


Nearly 10 years later, in 2008, a very different Gandolfini — older, wiser and with The Sopranos behind him — made a quiet entrance at the Beverly Hilton Hotel, at HBO’s portion of the semi-annual TV Critics Association press tour.

This time, he was there to promote a personal passion project, Alive Day Memories: Home from Iraq, a documentary about the terrible injuries suffered by returning U.S. servicemen and women from the war in Iraq, and how they were adjusting to life back home.

Gandolfini, the film’s executive producer and most vocal backer when no one else wanted anything to do with it, was still a huge physical presence, but he insisted on remaining quiet while five injured U.S. Army veterans, four men and one woman, all interviewed in the film, took the stage and held their audience rapt with personal stories of war and recovery.

It was only a matter of time before Gandolfini was pressed to say something — anything — but when he did his voice was barely audible, a hushed whisper.

He wanted the veterans to have their say, and he didn’t much care if anyone else in the room thought him distant or standoffish.

Mosby

(16,395 posts)
31. I know very little about him
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:35 PM
Jun 2013

Maybe he was a really nice guy, but there are lots of nice New Jerseyans who die every day and they don't receive any honors from the gov.

I have never watched the sopranos, shows about thugs and criminals don't interest me much and the way people glorify the "mob" bugs me, sorry.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
35. He was someone who "Supported the Troops" in very real ways.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jun 2013
The actor produced several documentaries for HBO on the topic after a visit to the front lines of Operation Iraqi Freedom left him devastated and deeply moved by their sacrifices. The first, made in conjunction with the Wounded Warrior Project, was Alive Day Memories: Home From Iraq and featured interviews with soldiers who survived the war with their lives intact but were left with serious physical injuries.
"I came back and was struck by the silence here in this country about what's going on over there," Gandolfini told NBC Nightly News' Brian Williams in 2007. "When I talked to these soldiers, I was struck by -- you can be cynical on both coasts or wherever you are -- honor, duty, loyalty to your country. It hit me. I guess some people forget about that, or don't think about it."

...Gandolfini followed that film three years later with Wartorn: 1861-2010, another HBO documentary that traced the history of post-traumatic stress disorder -- previously known as shell-shock and combat fatigue -- throughout American history.
Shifting the focus to war's invisible wounds, Wartorn, which Gandolfini executive produced, featured the moving stories of vets of WWII, the Vietnam War, Operation Desert Storm and Operation Iraqi Freedom -- some of whom spoke out about PTSD for the first time. Gandolfini himself led several insightful conversations with top U.S. military personnel, including Gen. Ray Odierno, then-commander of U.S. troops in Iraq, and Gen. Peter Chiarelli, former vice chief of staff of the U.S. Army.....

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/james-gandolfini-death-sopranos-star-571899

He also did movies where he didn't play a gangster, he wasn't a one-trick pony.
 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
52. I agree 100%
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 04:31 PM
Jun 2013

He was JUST an actor. Get over it people. It DOES cheapen it's meaning by lowering it for every Tom, Dick and Harry.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
30. The flag code carries no force of law, no punishment, no nada. It's a recommendation.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:34 PM
Jun 2013

The US post office violates the flag code every day by selling flag stamps.

Not every violation of the flag code is G. Gordon Liddy in a flag thong...


Given the work Gandolfini has done for US wounded veterans, I think it's an appropriate honor, flag code be damned.

And I'm a person who isn't a fan of flag clothing, flag paper plates, flag napkins, etc.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. I think it's appropriate. He was a native son who supported the troops in tangible ways.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:03 PM
Jun 2013

The flag code is pretty much ignored, these days. The US Post Office flouts the flag code by selling flag stamps. People can rant and rail about it, but they are the Hank Hill minority and that attitude no longer prevails in this country. Times change.

He was active in the Wounded Warrior Project, and he was an artist. There was much more to him than just Tony Soprano.

If G. Gordon Liddy can wear a thong flag, the producer of Alive Days Memories deserves a single day where the flag is flown at half staff around his home state.

I'd rather see the flag at half staff for a guy who was good to war vets than represented like this:

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
42. lots of people have supported the troops in various ways. the only thing different about
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jun 2013

him is he's a well-known actor.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. "Lots of people" haven't funded and produced films that discuss PTSD and traumatic brain injury.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:34 PM
Jun 2013

But go on and pretend that his contributions weren't significant in this regard, if you'd like.

RobinA

(9,902 posts)
46. Inappropriate
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 04:13 PM
Jun 2013

The flag of the US should only be at half staff for people of MAJOR national significance. I'm talking President, current or ex, and maybe one or two other people.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
18. NJ flag, yes. US flag, no.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:14 PM
Jun 2013

Only the POTUS can order the US flag to be flown at half-staff. It seems reasonable that Christie can order NJ State flag to be flown half-staff. Proper flag etiquitte has been largely forgotten and ignored over the past 50 years. Shameful, IMO.

Iggo

(47,583 posts)
19. I wasn't aware that was Christie's call.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:29 PM
Jun 2013

I thought only the Pres could do that.

I could be wrong...

former9thward

(32,114 posts)
45. The state governor controls flags at state/local facilities.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jun 2013

The private flags can go along with his wishes as they see fit.

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
21. Maybe he's scared of karma..
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jun 2013

the actor literally dropped dead..heart attack...He got whacked by the Big Guy upstairs...

He was always a big guy

Chris is kinda big, so...

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
23. Sure. But why wasn't the flag flown half-staff for the following:
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jun 2013
Narrated killings committed by Tony Soprano

Tony has personally committed eight murders in the show. Furthermore, as a Boss, he is responsible for the deaths of others killed on his orders. The eight known murders, all explicitly presented onscreen, were:

Willie Overall, shot and killed by Tony to "make his bones", or become a made man (1982).

Fabian "Febby" Petrulio, strangled by Tony for ratting out members of Paulie and Pussy's crew and joining the witness protection program (1999).

Chucky Signore, shot and killed by Tony for conspiring to kill him with Junior (1999).

Matthew Bevilaqua, killed by Tony and Big Pussy for attempting to kill Christopher Moltisanti (his cousin in-law) (2000).

Salvatore "Big Pussy" Bonpensiero, executed by Tony, Silvio, and Paulie on a yacht, after they discovered that he was an FBI informant (2000).

Ralph Cifaretto, choked/bludgeoned to death in a fight over Ralph's supposedly killing of their prize-winning race horse "Pie-O-My" for insurance money. (2002).

Tony Blundetto, shot and killed by Tony with a shotgun for the unauthorized killings of Joe Peeps and Billy Leotardo, in order to spare him from being the subject of torture from Phil Leotardo in revenge for his brother's death (2004).

Christopher Moltisanti, suffocated by Tony when after a major car accident Christopher revealed he was still using drugs (2007).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Soprano#Narrated_killings_committed_by_Tony_Soprano



Cleita

(75,480 posts)
43. Tony Soprano, the gangster, was a fictional character brilliantly portrayed by
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jun 2013

by the actor, James Gandolfini, who is not a gangster but an artist. He also has a whole body of work that has nothing to do with Tony Soprano. Really you shouldn't engage in strawmen for making your case.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
25. Before I vote, what exactly is the problem with it?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 01:59 PM
Jun 2013

I have to admit not knowing enough to make an informed opinion. As it stands right now, I don't see the controversy. Am I missing something major here?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. The (completely unenforced, with no penalties for unenforcement) flag code has very strict rules
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jun 2013

about how the flag is to be displayed.

These are wrong:


but people do it anyway.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
41. Yes, I know those are wrong.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 03:46 PM
Jun 2013

The flag should never be worn as clothing or used to sell merchandise. Most people do not know that second part either. People will be steadily buying napkins, paper plates and bowls, and other assorted cookout materials when July 4th gets here. Plus, those flags on the cars that have been in vogue since 9/11 constantly end up tattered and/or on the ground. I know this because my aunt, back when she could still walk, would stop, get out of the car, and pick them up, then take them to the VFW for proper disposal.

But, is it wrong to have it at half staff for an actor who was from that state? I guess I can see the state flag being flown at half staff. I mean we fly flags at half staff after major tragedies that have nothing to do with the military, like after school shootings and other traumatic events. It doesn't seem disrespectful in this case. Is it really that big of a deal in this case? Technically, I can see how it should not be at half staff, but considering how many other times it is flown at half staff for loss of life of citizens, and out of all the things that are done with the flag (merchandising/clothes), is this really that bad in comparison?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. There is a section of the Flag Code that "allows" Governors to lower it for soldiers on active duty
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:32 PM
Jun 2013

killed....however, the minute the federal gubmint goes overbboard on telling state leaders what they are "allowed" to do with a piece of cloth, it gets squirrelly!

Like I said, I can be a fart on some aspects of flag display--I have always hated seeing it used as bunting--presidents from both parties do this, like fifty flags on the stage are somehow "better" than one, nicely lit, over the shoulder and "in the frame" of the TV shot.

I guess my point is, if the President(s) from both parties, and Congresscreatures, also from both parties, cannot be bothered to observe "The Code," themselves, then it's not the worst doggone thing in the world if a governor (even one from 'the other' party) lowers the flag to honor an actor who went out of his way to actively support my fellow servicemembers. He was also a supporter of other charities, including Parkinson's Research. Give him the day, and the rispetto, I say.

Are three enough? Are six two many?



Eight must mean you're REALLY blocked up!!



This is...just WRONG:



So long as the feds employ a "Do as I say, not as I do" POV when passing laws about "The Flag Code," I say Governors from all states and parties should just ignore their asses, particularly when paying tribute to native sons/daughters that people care deeply about.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. I actually saved that pic in my photobucket!
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 09:07 PM
Jun 2013

However, I didn't want to gross people out if they were reading this thread over brekkie!!!

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
62. Sadly it was used in a thread on
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:32 PM
Jun 2013

what old farts shouldn't tell parents that haven't taught their children how to dress.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. This is a common thing for native sons and daughters. Gandolfini's appeal crosses party lines.
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:10 PM
Jun 2013

This isn't a party-specific thing, he's a well-known citizen, a state "asset," as it were. Christie did the right thing.

JustAnotherGen

(31,982 posts)
28. Same discussion on NJ 101.5
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

Yesterday. No. Our state flag - yes. US Flag - That's for Leadership and folks in public service.

 

Bennyboy

(10,440 posts)
29. Gandolfini was at best a minor celebrity......
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:27 PM
Jun 2013

Even from New Jeresy Standards. Did they half staff for Sinatra? Will we for Miami Steve? Bruuuuuuuuce? Bon Jovi (once the dancing stops, anyway)..... Been an awful lot of Jersey Celebrities from jersey and I don't remember that ever happening for them. What is hilarious, is the Governor is celebrating and actor who portrayed a person that was totally outside of the law, murdered, etc). Weird.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
57. If Springsteen drops dead tomorrow
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jun 2013

Christie will hold a state funeral. Loads of people from around the area would watch it on TV.

Flags were half-staff in NJ for Whitney Houston. And as for that "totally outside the law" thing, you do know it's only a role he played, right? Would you have the same reservations for honors given to Anthony Hopkins at his death? He played Hannibal Lecter, a most vile villain.

RudynJack

(1,044 posts)
50. It hurts no-one, and makes some feel better
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 04:26 PM
Jun 2013

so I see nothing wrong with it. Christie likes to honor New Jersey natives this way (Clarence Clemons, Whitney Houston, etc.)

New Jersey is especially proud of its celebrities. Let them honor Gandolfini however they want.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
55. What's the harm?
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:19 PM
Jun 2013

If Gandolfini had retired from the movie business some twenty years later, a future NJ governor might well have given him some kind of recognition award, of the sort that the President does every year for prominent Americans, many of whom are in the entertainment business.

Since that didn't happen for Gandolfini, this is the best that Christie can do. I'm sure it's popular among folks in NJ, and that's who the Governor is supposed to make happy.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
56. Whitney Houston
Sat Jun 22, 2013, 06:20 PM
Jun 2013

Didn't they do it for her too? Don't think they won't for Springsteen and Bonjovi when they pass?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
65. Local boy made good, I guess. I didn't much care for the man...he's just an actor.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jun 2013

He didn't change anything, make anything, cure anything, or do anything earth shattering. He wasn't even an acting legend. I don't get the big reaction to his death.

And yet, where is this kind of response when a Burt Lancaster or Cary Grant dies? People who have proved their acting chops for decades and became legends in their field.

Union Scribe

(7,099 posts)
68. I imagine part of it is his age.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jun 2013

There's the shock of a relatively young man dying suddenly, plus the shorter span when a younger celeb dies between when they die and when they were most successful. With older legends, the shock is less and the gap between that time and when they were at their peak is larger.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
72. I suppose. But it's not a big surprise, is it? Considering his health. He was obviously unhealthy.
Tue Jun 25, 2013, 11:08 PM
Jun 2013

I could tell that when I saw him in a movie last year. He could barely say his lines without stopping frequently to take a breath. Shortness of breath - sign of heart trouble. He was huge, and his color was not good. Eyes baggy. I'm shocked to learn he was in his early 50's. I thought he was much older than that.

(Being large doesn't make him bad or anything. I'm just saying it's not a big surprise he had a heart attack and died young. Now, John Candy was a surprise!)

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
71. No, it's both the US and the NJ flags. Read Christie's proclamation in the OP.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 07:39 AM
Jun 2013

Does this change your opinion?

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