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Nobody would say anything about NSA spying, nobody would mention saving Social Security, nobody would mention secret trade treaties, nobody would mention going into Syria, nobody would mention more tax cuts for the wealthy, nobody would mention the Occupy Movement, nobody would mention the massive spending on the military, nobody would mention the cuts in food stamps, nobody would mention the oil spills, nobody would mention the growing disparity in income, nobody would talk about saving Medicare, and nobody would talk about corporations taking over our country.
And nobody would would say anything negative about favorite politicians, and nobody would mention Guantanamo prisoners, nobody would talk about Constitutional rights, nobody would talk about standing up to the opposition, nobody would mention the free press, nobody would talk about equality and making this a better country to live in for all our citizens.
Because many are too fearful to say anything negative about their Party. It is like a game. Their team against our team. Cheerleaders all.
And would we be better off if there were no critics? Give me the loudmouth critics over the mushy-mouthed cheerleaders any day of the week.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Monkie
(1,301 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)4 Hippies an anti-vaxer and one ron paulite meeting at Springdale Park at 3:00PM,
Send A Drone! LOL
Skittles
(153,298 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)We'd be even further along on this train to Hell.
We haven't slowed it down much, but silence = support.
If it's not right, make some noise!
kentuck
(111,111 posts)In my opinion.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I've seen a large rise in people leaving the party and going underground. What's most interesting about that is that the groups I've seen are not founded around a leader, they're founded on various principles and information sharing/combined effort.
We have to assume at some point it will be like the Bush Era- 25% diehard support from the 20% who are following the myth of the party and 5% who are aware of what they are doing and support it because it helps them.
I was more than a little scared when the meme was pushed during elections that we follow the personality we most like, and then adopt their values.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)The biggest failing IMO is that we have a lack of liberals. Weekend liberals would be a fitting name. M-F 9-5 for the corporations, lunch breaks and weekends for perceived ideals.
Monkie
(1,301 posts)what discovery?
what great policy?
how many historical wars were won by listening to "yes men"?
history is one long narrative of the failures of sycophants, and the leaders that listened to them.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)that this point even has to be made.
it also serves as an explanation as to why it has to be
rightwingnuts don't have a monopoly on bubble living either
morningfog
(18,115 posts)tblue
(16,350 posts)from the right. Sigh. It would be so much easier if our POTUS just acted like a liberal. Would any of us criticize if he did?
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)progressoid
(50,013 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,499 posts)Democrats do their impression of the Harlem Globetrotters vs. the Washington Generals. They distract us while they serve the money interests! We need COMPLETE CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM (CCFR) to fix the root problem of undue influence and legal bribery that are our campaign finance laws. Publicly funded elections would accomplish most of what we need! Now if I could just get help spreading this!
OWS has too many issues and needs to focus on CCFR and the rest will take care of themselves!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)He nailed it up until he said the forces were united against one candidate, he was right at the time but now they buy both candidates and don't really care which one wins. Seems very little changes with time.
I remember graduating high school in 1969 and thinking everything should be fixed in 10 years or so. Yes, I was naive but optimistic.
Gore1FL
(21,165 posts)It's conflating several issues into one that creates (or allows) dialog that can be easily manipulated and misinterpreted by those wanting to push an agenda.
There is nothing wrong with talking about the NSA. Let's not choose a dialog that makes it an anti-Democratic Party weapon for those who wish to manipulate it to be so.
There is nothing wrong with discussing Syria. Let's not choose a dialog that makes it an anti-Democratic Party weapon for those who wish to manipulate it to be so.
There is nothing wrong with discussing tax cuts for the wealthy. Let's not choose a dialog that makes it an anti-Democratic Party weapon for those who wish to manipulate it to be so.
There is nothing wrong with discussing Occupy Movement. Let's not choose a dialog that makes it an anti-Democratic Party weapon for those who wish to manipulate it to be so.
And so on.
I have been arguing for nuance when it comes to this on every post I've written on the subject. Unfortunately, no one seems to give a fuck.
kentuck
(111,111 posts)The OP was addressing the question of no criticism at all. Yes, there should be open debate but someone has to bring the subject up before it can be discussed. Silence or agreement with Party propaganda offers nothing. You are talking about the manner in which it is discussed once someone challenges the status quo, I think?
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,034 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)JoeyT
(6,785 posts)Aren't a bunch of threads about how attractive a politician is far more important than all that silly politics crap?
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Unless you were lumping it in with oil spills. Otherwise, spot on.
treestar
(82,383 posts)If the cheerleaders said nothing, you could indulge in gloom and doom to the point where you'd have to kill yourselves. Nothing ever works, no one else is to be trusted, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Anyone who wins an election is corrupt, they're spying on us all, they're going to drone kill us all and what can we do about it but complain on a message board and now we can't do that because they're spying on us and going to kill us for it.
Just because it's criticism it has to be right. Just because it's thinking something not totally bad it must be wrong.
That means if I criticize your post, I must be right. You aren't better than anyone else, right, so isn't criticism always good? I would not think you'd want anyone to be mushy mouthed and cheerlead your ideas.
kentuck
(111,111 posts)I would not disagee with your point. There's a time to praise and there's a tme to criticize.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I just don't love critics who tell me that I must be a Republican Nazi Facist Stasi Apologist Enabler GOP Shill Obamabot if I don't agree with some of the stuff they're shopping....particularly when they don't bother to provide any proof of their assertions.
To be clear, I'm not directing that at you...that is an entirely generic remark, but lately, I have seen a lot of conversations that go like this.
Person A: Blah blah blah My Point of View.
Person B: Blah blah blah don't agree because blah blah.
Person A: You must be a (fill in personal insult).
Person C: Yeah, we know how "B" is a (more personal insults).
And then the thread goes to shit from there. It just makes the place suck.
People who really have a strong POV should be able to express it without getting personal and flinging shit. That isn't what happens, though, all too often.
I also can't help but notice that the most uncivil people aren't "regulars"--they may have been around for awhile, but they don't post much, and they apparently don't have a clear sense of community standards.
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Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)1. Benghazi cover up -- worse than Watergate!
2. IRS targets conservative 501-3(C) organizations -- worse than Watergate!
3. Faux Snooze reporter was wiretapped -- worse than Watergate!
4. NSA spies on everyone all the time -- worse than Watergate!
Boo-ya!!
markpkessinger
(8,409 posts). . . Most here, I think, will agree the first three were GOP bullshit. Have there been a few who bought into the first three? Sure. But I challenge you to name a single person here who has had criticism on the NSA issue who likewise uncritically accepted the other three. Acting as if the criticisms have come as some unified block on all four is just intellectually dishonest. And where did anybody here say ANY of these were "worse than Watergate?"
Gotta give you credit, though, for your amazing capacity for constructing straw men!