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Hours Before His Death Michael Hastings Contacted Wikileaks Attorney Said FBI Was Investigating Him #snowden
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/statuses/347475869629022208
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Nothing to laugh about.
What has become of DU?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)The "ruh roh" comment was the only thing that had cut through my distress. Maybe it is an Irish wake thing where both tears and levity are encouraged. I embrace your tsk tsking.
eShirl
(18,507 posts)Mosaic
(1,451 posts)For good reason. The red-necks have taken over.
pscot
(21,024 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Nice and neat.
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We're all Germans now
Catherina
(35,568 posts)WikiLeaks ?@wikileaks 8h
Michael Hastings death has a very serious non-public complication. We will have more details later.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/statuses/347475869629022208
Does that mean anything to you? Anyone?
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Other than that, I got nothin'.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Where was he coming from?
Where was he headed?
What was he doing before he got in the car?
Who was with him before he got in the car, or who was he meeting at his interrupted destination?
Why was he meeting with anyone, if that was what he was doing?
What was his state of mind?
I have no answers to any of these questions.
It's might be that one location or the other is problematic. He was speaking with someone he shouldn't have been speaking with? "Non-public" might mean "unrelated to work" or "personal?"
Or "non-public complication" could have to do with what he may have ingested before he crashed? That he was under the influence of a substance?
It is a very vague sentence. It invites more questions than answers--not sure how it aids anything save speculation and curiosity.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)No answers here either. I can't even take a guess
MADem
(135,425 posts)His wife used to be a speechwriter for Condileeza Rice when she was at State, and she also had some job (don't recall what) in the Bush administration. She is still hooked into that world and that group of people. They live on the east coast, and the tweet might be trying to coyly suggest a dalliance or something. Whatever, and regardless of one's feelings about the guy--even from the diehard McChrystal fans--that kind of commentary is just not appropriate.
It could also be an attempt to try to insert themselves into the story. There's just no way of knowing, at least not yet. The lawyer needs to come forward and confirm the contact and perhaps characterize it (was it a request for legal assistance, or...was it a reporter asking a question?).
All the remark did was twist people's emotions even further.
His wife had to beat down some disrespect from the NYT before her husband's body even stopped smoking. Regardless what people might think of her and her work for the last administration, I can't imagine what she's going through right now. Details here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/michael-hastings-wife_n_3469095.html
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Ergo, the 'non public' angle is probably the alleged FBI investigation.
MADem
(135,425 posts)To me (and I am old and my mind distinguishes between 'public' business and 'private' business) that kind of tortured phrasing sounded like the National Enquirer, like they are saying he was catting around on his old lady or something. It just read to my eye like something that was real close to a cheap shot.
I remember this guy's reporting on McChrystal, I thought it was solid.
I went looking for the tweet and I see I am not the only one who thinks that it wasn't appropriate. The people objecting may not have the same feeling that I have about what they are trying to suggest, but they don't like the sound of it, either.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/347425652389052416
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)on their part.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:08 AM - Edit history (1)
if Mr Hastings consulted an attorney in this country regarding a criminal matter or anything else he and his estate have a privacy right. if Jennifer Robinson is licensed to practice anywhere in the United States she would be disbarred for revealing this confidence.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Just ask everyone whose information they leaked (US servicepeople, people helping our embassies overseas, etc).
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Last edited Fri Jun 21, 2013, 09:09 AM - Edit history (2)
not, I'm going to make sure that any case she co-counsels on in the US has a letter of complaint. A barrister contacted me via pm, so I will make sure that I follow up on that.....
This is outrageous conduct by an attorney.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that they are your client, strips down, and streaks past a fountain in front of the public, it's a little too late to say anyone was divulging private information if everyone in the neighborhood now knows they have genital warts. Just FYI.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)shot himself. Specifically, that the manner of death vitiated the dead's privacy. Congratulations...
You might try reading the case on point.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/swidler062598.htm
Aerows
(39,961 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)I don't see where you see that possibility in the tweet but it's so vague that it's impossible to refute any possible interpretation. Hastings had worked with Wikileaks and Assange so I don't think they needed to insert themselves into the story but I agree with you that all that tweet did was rev up people's emotions. I tried to interpret it with French syntax, German syntax and still nothing. They should clarify it or delete it.
And your link the NYT incident, that's awful. If I had any respect left for the NYT, this incident would have taken care of it. Thanks for the other information too. I hate these tragedies.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Omitting "non-public", the sentence reads: " Michael Hastings death has a very serious complication." What the complication is, they are not willing (because Big Daddy is always listening/watching) to say publicly. Wikileaks is just telling us that they know what the serious complication was and that they will tell us later.
That's what it means to me.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Thanks ReRe
MADem
(135,425 posts)It could be nefariousness against his person (but why wouldn't that be something in the public interest?), or it could be a challenge in his personal, private life--a spat with his wife, falling off the wagon with someone who enticed him to just smoke a rock or two with him...it's just vague.
And unnecessary, I think--teasing. Attention-seeking. I say, either say what you mean or just don't miss an opportunity for reflective silence. The guy is dead, and playing "I've got a secret" with the public at a time when his family/friends are mourning is ... tacky. David Corn and a bunch of others weighed in and said as much. No class.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)I think we should wait for the toxicology tests before jumping to conspiracy conclusions.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/06/michael_hastings_crash_engine_flew_speeding_recovery.php
The writer does have a history with alcohol and drugs, however. In his first book, I Lost My Love in Baghdad: A Modern War Story, Hastings says that he crashed a car in a drunk driving accident when he was 19.
And in this True/Slant piece from 2009 Hastings describes himself as a "a recovering drunk/addict/screw-up."
In another True/Slant piece he says, "I have smoked crack."
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Maybe you don't know what that means? It means, not drinking or doing drugs but aware always of the potential to do so again and being vigilant to prevent it.
Now, do you have anything to show he was no longer a 'recovering alcoholic and drug addict' and if not, what you posted is irrelevant.
'I have smoked crack'. Really? Obama, in his book, also admitted to doing drugs. What are you attempting to imply? That he was still doing crack because he admitted to doing it long ago?
If so, then everyone one who 'once smoked crack' is also still doing it. I don't think you want to use that logic in your efforts to try to smear a man who just died in a tragic accident. We could follow that logic to a place that you would not like. But then, most people probably wouldn't, it would be just too ridiculous for words.
RIP Mr. Hastings, this country has lost one of few real journalists today.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)Anyone can fall off the wagon at any time. That's why the term is "recovering" and not "recovered." Sobriety is a lifelong process.
I wasn't trying to smear him. But he was supposedly going double the speed limit in the middle of the night. For anyone in this situation, a toxicology report would be in order. Until then, I'm not going to encourage any conspiracy theories, no matter how popular they seem to be these days.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)chasing him? Maybe he just liked to drive fast when he thought no one was around? Maybe he fell off the wagon, maybe something scared him. There are all kinds of possibilities when something like this happens, including, but not the only one, falling off the wagon.
He was a great investigative reporter. And his family most of all will have to deal with their loss. I know what this is like, to lose someone in an accident like that. There is no preparation, it is a shock beyond belief. I wish there was a way to speed up the intensely painful grieving process they face, but there isn't. I feel for them.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)no matter what the circumstances. He was much too young to lose his life like this.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Ask Sam Giancana. Just as he was getting set to testify about his knowledge regarding CIA plots to assassinate Fidel Castro, his FBI watcher just happened to be in the bathroom for an extended bowel movement when someone came into Giancana's kitchen, where he was in the process of cooking a fine pasta dinner, and put a .22 into the back of his head. Boom! Then six more around his mouth to keep him quieter.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)Have you seen the toxicology report?
If so, can you share it with us?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)pnwmom
(109,023 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)I think we should keep an open mind about what might have happened to Michael Hastings. I dont believe in over reacting in either way. I especially object to those that immediately attack the character of Mr. Hastings as a method of shutting down discussion. I believe there are evil people in this world and some have unlimited budgets at their disposals. I believe people conspire at all levels.
I am disappointed in the lack of respect for Mr. Hastings in DU. Clapper, a lying REpublican gets more respect from some here in DU than Mr. Hastings, who died in a horrible accident.
pnwmom
(109,023 posts)babylonsister
(171,109 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 04:59 AM - Edit history (2)
zeemike
(18,998 posts)After just reading your last OP defending the right to post what YOU want.
What the fuck is going on here...have we gone mad?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Seems kind of odd that a newer Benz would burst into flame like that... Tragic, and weird.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I don't want too unless I have too. Did it just burst into flames? I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't follow any details. I did see a picture of the demolished car. What happened? It just burst into flames while he was driving?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)But the way it was so fully engulfed, and the fact that it seemed to be on a street where he wouldn't have been going extremely fast...
I watched without audio, and it was still very difficult. I didn't make it to the end. But it seemed off somehow; even before this recent development.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Most likely he took out the fire hydrant before hitting the tree, and this accounts for ripping apart the front end and the gas tank.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Fast, fast, fast! I just don't see someone driving that recklessly in a residential area, and what looks like a 2-way street. Some punk maybe but not this guy with the importance of what he was doing.
Here's the video
reformist2
(9,841 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Or he could have been chased by what he percieved as a threat, and lost control. Or a chasing car could have tagged a quater panel and spun him out.
If, and I say if, any of the above occurred, much evidence was likely destroyed in crash and ensuing fire. Its possible there could be an eyewitness, or GPS tracking data. Perhaps ph data, too.
Him being "accidented" is a plausible theory that can't be discarded...but it's too early to jump to conclusions. There are certainly several other plausible (perhaps moreso) theories as to cause of accident.
EOTE
(13,409 posts)And that was unintentional. So yeah, it's not all that difficult.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Cruise control can freeze. I had it happen to me. I hit the breaks and when nothing happened, my next reaction was to hit the accelerator. Bad reaction. At that point I was doing over 90 mph on I-95. Braking was useless. Risking a blown engine, I put the car in neutral and got it off the road.
I think newer cars have some kind of a fix, but if it's computer controlled ... who knows.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)It's not a 2 way street.
It is a street divided in 2 directions with 2 lanes on each.
And it is well known for speeding.
I drive it everyday and this morning speed traps were set up again.
And this assertion-
"Some punk maybe but not this guy with the importance of what he was doing."
-is just about the dumbest fucking thing I have ever read on DU.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)rumor mongering.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)why not just shoot him?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)CIA Assassination Manual explains:
A STUDY OF ASSASSINATION
EXCERPT...
2. Accidents.
For secret assassination, either simple or chase, the contrived accident is the most effective technique. When successfully executed, it causes little excitement and is only casually investigated.
The most efficient accident, in simple assassination, is a fall of 75 feet or more onto a hard surface. Elevator shafts, stair wells, unscreened windows and bridges will serve. Bridge falls into water are not reliable. In simple cases a private meeting with the subject may be arranged at a properly-cased location. The act may be executed by sudden, vigorous [excised] of the ankles, tipping the subject over the edge. If the assassin immediately sets up an outcry, playing the "horrified wit ness", no alibi or surreptitious withdrawal is necessary. In chase cases it will usually be necessary to stun or drug the subject before dropping him. Care is required to insure that no wound or condition not attributable to the fall is discernible after death.
Falls into the sea or swiftly flowing rivers may suffice if the subject cannot swim. It will be more reliable if the assassin can arrange to attempt rescue, as he can thus be sure of the subject's death and at the same time establish a workable al ibi.
If the subject's personal habits make it feasible, alcohol may be used (2 words excised) to prepare him for a contrived accident of any kind.
Falls before trains or subway cars are usually effective, but require exact timing and can seldom be free from unexpected observation.
Automobile accidents are a less satisfactory means of assassination. If the subject is deliberately run down, very exact timing is necessary and investigation is likely to be thorough. If the subject's car is tampered with, reliability is very lo w. The subject may be stunned or drugged and then placed in the car, but this is only reliable when the car can be run off a high cliff or into deep water without observation.
CONTINUED...
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/ciaguat2.html
And that's the way it is. Er, was. Er, maybe possibly perhaps could be might've been kind of.
Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)that long ago accident have to do with this? The second time this has been posted. Did he wear boxer shorts when he was 19? Was his girl friend a pole dancer? A man just died, someone people respected and felt they knew. Could you not wait before starting the expected smear campaign? Yes, it is now expected, but at least when there is a tragedy like this you would think some sense of decency would at least cause a delay in the tactics.
I hope his family stays away from the internet. I know when this happened in my family, seeing something like this, a deliberate effort to cast a person you love as some kind of villain who caused his own death without even knowing a single fact about it, would have destroy me and my family considering the pain they are going through and will for a long time.
You and your friends are outdoing yourselves lately.
RIP Michael Hastings. One of a very few great investigative journalists. He will be missed by those of us who appreciate a rare thing, a journalist who is fearless in his reporting of the facts.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Sorry if factual discussion--as opposed to tinfoil rumor mongering--offend you.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)would wonder if maybe he had a heart attack, or the car had a mechanical problem maybe, or he had tried to avoid something on the road. He could have been murdered, that too is a possibility, he also could have been drunk, but there are plenty of other possible reasons for this tragic death that a sincere person discussing 'explanations as to how' it happened, would have raised as possible reasons. Instead I have seen the expected smears, discussing only one of these possibilities, which is intended to disparage his character.
To go back and dig into his history from 14 years ago to try to find something that could make him look like a criminal who caused his own death, when there is not a shred of evidence so far, that alcohol had anything to do with it, is NOT talking about explanationS as to how this happened, YOU are talking about ONE.
stopbush
(24,398 posts)Whole cloth speculation that the guy may have been assassinated by some government agency is OK, but pointing out his actual past history is smearing?
Childish crap.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)character assignations of the victim or whistle-blower, and try desperately to dismiss any idea of conspiracy. Some will use rudeness and ridicule to try to close down discussion even to the point of recommending that anyone daring to consider the possibility of conspiracy should be PPR'd. IMHO conspiracies happen and an open-minded person should be willing to discuss the possibilities without being treated with ridicule.
I am betting that Michael Hastings didnt keep all his investigative information to himself. Just sayin.
I agree with, "RIP Michael Hastings. One of a very few great investigative journalists. He will be missed by those of us who appreciate a rare thing, a journalist who is fearless in his reporting of the facts."
zappaman
(20,606 posts)without any evidence whatsoever?
I have.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and resources. I am guessing you didnt like Hastings in particular and maybe not any investigative journalists. They stir up a lot of messiness. They challenge authoritarian authority.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)But maybe because I'm not an authoritarian.
Really, that smear is getting old.
Didn't know him personally...did you?
If so, tell us about his driving habits.
Did he always speed thru red lights?
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/06/michael_hastings_red_light_video_speeding.php
After the Weekly reported today that LAPD traffic investigators believe the car tied in reports to journalist Michael Hastings was going faster than 60 miles per hour before a fatal crash in Hollywood, we were tipped off to new video showing a vehicle blasting through a red light just moments before that collision.
The video, by freelance TV news crew LOUD LABS NEWS, shows a vehicle blazing through a red light on Highland Avenue and Santa Monica Boulevard, only four blocks from the crash:
The video appears to have been taken from a LOUD LABS vehicle awaiting the night's news.
Freelance videographers work the night shift in L.A. because local TV stations don't budget enough for expensive, three-person news vans to work overnight. The freelance crews listen to police scanners and sell their footage to the stations.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)discussions of those that did. I also believe that he had powerful enemies with lots of resources that would love to see him shut up. I want to make sure that those with power dont sweep this under the carpet because they can. You seem to want to shut down discussions of possible conspiracies. Why? What can it hurt? Let's keep an open mind.
Marr
(20,317 posts)had they known what he was going to stir up ahead of time.
Hastings was a pretty public figure, which makes me think it's less likely and yet... we have drifted further and further into banana republic territory. Few would dispute the notion that US agencies have assassinated prominent South American journalists/academics in the past. It doesn't seem all that unbelievable to think that broader latitude has crept north of the border in recent years.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Hopefully Hastings also kept good records with someone he could trust.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)And you base that on what?
He was a good writer and I enjoyed his pieces.
Just because I call bullshit and present facts, not speculations and know more about that street than the poster I was responding to, doesn't mean I didn't like his work.
Take your bullshit allegations elsewhere.
MADem
(135,425 posts)yet.
The engine flew a half block from the car, which had to be going at a very high rate of speed. The impact looked to be horrific.
Link here: http://gawker.com/gruesome-video-appears-to-be-aftermath-of-michael-hasti-514428722
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)But I actually did see a late model Mercedes catch fire on a 35 mph street last summer. Hubs and I were on the way to lunch, and the silver two-door car came up beside us about 10 mph over the limit. Suddenly we hear beside us a loud racing engine sound, a boom, and the guy pulls into a gas station. He barely gets pulled to a stop, when smoke and flames start coming out of the engine.
When we went back by after lunch, the poor guy was standing looking at his car, with a phone up to his ear. Extinguisher foam was all over the car. It just seemed odd for such a nice, newer car to catch fire that way.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)babylonsister
(171,109 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)We're simply raising questions about a mysterious death. If citizens can't discuss their doubts in an online forum, we're totally dependent on official sources. We've already seen how reliable they are ... Clapper.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I wonder who contacted him and with what?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)And now hints of Wikileaks just hours before, as well as a "wtf?" type accident...
Let's just say that before it looked a little odd. Now it's something I want to follow, even though I've never read any of his pieces before his "accident." Not unlike the DC Madam.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Do you agree with Jones?
Hydra
(14,459 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the reactions of Jones and folks around here.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)But as a counterpoint, I'll simply say that MLK's assassination came from on high, so the idea that they don't do it would be rediculous:
http://www.examiner.com/article/dr-martin-luther-king-assassinated-by-us-govt-king-family-civil-trial-verdict
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)TENNESSEE FOR THE THIRTIETH JUDICIAL
DISTRICT AT MEMPHIS
I guess that settles it.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)okaawhatever
(9,478 posts)that if some gov't entity were going to off him he wouldn't know they were investigating him? It will be interesting to find out what story caught the interest of the FBI. It may be a story he hadn't printed yet.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Quite frankly, I can totally believe that people in the government would want to kill him, after saying what he said there.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Then there's this too
By Andrew W. Griffin
Red Dirt Report, editor
Posted: March 27, 2012
...
The resulting article Hastings wrote for Rolling Stone released in June 2010 was headlined The Runaway General and proved fairly damning for Gen. McChrystal and his civilian associates. As a result, McChrystal was relieved of command by President Obama. The Operators is the book where Hastings explains what led up to the article, his time in Afghanistan, Europe, the Middle East and back in Washington and the aftermath of the release of his explosive article.
...
Hastings writes that as they drank and sang, several McChrystal staff members make subtle threats, saying
Youre not going to f*ck us, are you? asks one staff member.
Hastings responds: Im going to write a story; some of the stuff youll like, some of the stuff you probably wont like.
Another staffer then says: Well hunt you down and kill you if we dont like what you write.
...
http://www.reddirtreport.com/Story.aspx/21839
Just a guess that they didn't like his book since McChrystal was fired for unprofessional comments about President Obama and VP Biden after his article The Runaway General came out. Just a wild guess.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Scary stuff.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I have no illusions about the depravity and vindictiveness of people who feel they were wronged, or tarnished. History is full of examples.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)I'm just going to sit back and watch the Glenn Beck conspiracy theory morphing proceed.
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Whisp
(24,096 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)
I should have put a smiley there instead of that eyeroll thing.
She probably put me on ignore so if anyone can send her my apologizes I would be grateful.
Things are just too tense here and I screwed up on someone I think highly of.
apologies
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treestar
(82,383 posts)We all know where this is heading. The next outrage can be clearly seen.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Yes, they're that evil.
Did they do anything in this specific case? I don't know.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)There is no place for that here!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)EOTE
(13,409 posts)Because if you're any of those things... you're just like Hitler.
Eat meat, smoke and drink. Don't be like Hitler.
still_one
(92,497 posts)their preconceived view, yet they would demand truth beyond a reasonable doubt if it doesn't support their view
Catherina
(35,568 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)People get murdered every day by being shot, stabbed, etc..... you know - effective ways of killing people and making sure they stay dead.
In a huge number of these, no suspect is ever arrested.
Pro-tip: You want someone dead, just go shoot them.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)of course it's all coincidence
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Just sayin'
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)and sad
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)You've seen way too many Hollywood movies.
It's time to come back to reality.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Eddie Haskell
(1,628 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I should have known it would only be a matter of time before people try to pin this on the evil Obama Administration.
Cal Carpenter
(4,959 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)But after Catherina posted this, I decided to visit some of the sites mentioned in the NY daily news article and people are absolutely convinced Obama had him killed to cover for the NSA.
It's exploding.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)if they directly say it.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Because there are more people in the Gov't than the Obama Admin.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)It was a tragic accident.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)I'd like some things cleared up before we go with that one though. Bush admin was famous for "accidents," and we have a lot of his old crew still hanging around.
stopbush
(24,398 posts)The CTists are salivating at this tragedy. It's disgusting.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Poor Eddie. He will be forgotten.
gopiscrap
(23,766 posts)the government killed him..............I wouldn't be surprised!
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)who exactly?
DesMoinesDem
(1,569 posts)he drives down a 35 mph road at twice the speed limit, runs at least one red light, hits a tree and his brand new Mercedes immediately bursts into flames.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Nothing to see here, move along...
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Too bad.
"History is on the side of those who seek to reveal the truth, not on the side of those who seek to conceal it"
- Daniel Ellsberg, May 2013
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Personally, I like to move the process along rather than find it 2000 years later. Call me impatient
Catherina
(35,568 posts)if they know something, or at least clarify their tweets. Oh boy, I just saw mention of his last article in one of WillyT's threads. It never even occurred to me that it could be foul play until that wikileaks tweet. Now I understand some of the paranoid hysteria that this could reflect badly, could be linked, could, could, could. FFS.
Besides Senators Ron Wyden and Mark Udall, most Democrats abandoned their civil liberty positions during the age of Obama. With a new leak investigation looming, the Democrat leadership are now being forced to confront all the secrets theyve tried to hide.
Michael Hastings - BuzzFeed
posted on June 7, 2013 at 12:10pm EDT
...
For most bigwig Democrats in Washington, D.C., the last 48 hours has delivered news of the worst kind a flood of new information that has washed away any lingering doubts about where President Obama and his party stand on civil liberties, full stop.
...
Glenn Greenwalds exposure of the NSAs massive domestic spy program has revealed the entire caste of current Democratic leaders as a gang of civil liberty opportunists, whose true passion, it seems, was in trolling George W. Bush for eight years on matters of national security.
...
The very topic of Democratic two-facedness on civil liberties is one of the most important issues that Greenwald has covered. Many of those Dems including the sitting President Barack Obama, Senator Carl Levin, and Sec. State John Kerry have now become the stewards and enhancers of programs that appear to dwarf any of the spying scandals that broke during the Bush years, the very same scandals they used as wedge issues to win elections in the Congressional elections 2006 and the presidential primary of 2007-2008.
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There are two notable exception to this rule are Senator Ron Wyden, from Oregon, and Sen. Mark Udall from Colorado, who had seemed to be fighting a largely lonely, frustrating battle against Obamas national security state. As Mark Udall told the Denver Post yesterday: " I) did everything short of leaking classified information" to stop it.
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The state of affairs, in other words, is so grave that two sitting Senators went as close as they could to violating their unconstitutional security oaths in order to warn the country of information that otherwise would not have been declassified until April of 2038, according to the Verizon court order obtained by Greenwald.
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/mhastings/why-democrats-love-to-spy-on-americans
Posted here earlier by WillyT: Michael Hastings' Last Piece On BuzzFeed...
Hydra
(14,459 posts)This combined with the wikileaks thing and the timing...VERY "coincidental." And not in a good way.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I wish wikileaks would either delete or clarify that tweet. If the twitter account is run from Europe, maybe they'll send an update soon. I hope they do.
stopbush
(24,398 posts)the gas tank and then hit a tree.
Try physics before jumping onto the conspiracy bandwagon.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)pnwmom
(109,023 posts)in a case where someone has acknowledged having a problem.
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2013/06/michael_hastings_crash_engine_flew_speeding_recovery.php
The writer does have a history with alcohol and drugs, however. In his first book, I Lost My Love in Baghdad: A Modern War Story, Hastings says that he crashed a car in a drunk driving accident when he was 19.
And in this True/Slant piece from 2009 Hastings describes himself as a "a recovering drunk/addict/screw-up."
In another True/Slant piece he says, "I have smoked crack."
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)or any of the other possible causes. Being "accidented" is also a possible cause. No possible cause has been eliminated, nor has a probable cause been determined.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)No, no. No "discounting" at all.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Also possible he was texting, or just driving recklessly fast and lost control. As more is learned, we can eliminate possibilities, perhaps leaving one as a likely cause. You don't conduct an investigation by discounting possibilities in advance.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)His history is part of the record. Posters add it to the discussion as it's obviously pertinent. Certainly LE is considering it.
It's postulation, but it isn't "smearing".
stopbush
(24,398 posts)Oh, and James Gandolfini was offed by the Italian Mafia because they didn't like the way The Sopranos portrayed the mob. Is it just a coincidence that he died while in Italy? How naive is that?
MADem
(135,425 posts)who filmed the vehicle on fire actually caught Hastings blowing through that red light:
He was booking pretty fast.
Was that "his" new Mercedes? Or a rental? I thought he lived in Vermont with his wife?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)JI7
(89,286 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)A witness said the vehicle was traveling about 100 mph shortly before the crash.
http://laist.com/2013/06/20/coroner_confirms_michael_hastings_died_in_crash.php
JI7
(89,286 posts)??????? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMmmm
still_one
(92,497 posts)alittlelark
(18,890 posts)Sweet Dreams....
You got it!
Did you notice the recent formation of Tropical Storm Barry? I say you know who is behind it!
BainsBane
(53,116 posts)Finally, proof positive!
BainsBane
(53,116 posts)JFK knew this would happen. Nostradamus foretold it.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Ockham called.
He wants to loan you a razor.
Check the fucking speling (sic).
ReRe
(10,597 posts)K&R
... and heard Rachel Maddow tell of Michael's death, it only took me about one minute to surmise that it was payback from Big Daddy MIC. Especially since his life ended in a fiery blaze. And yesterday, right on schedule, the discrediting of Hastings started.
It was a blatant assassination. Period. There's no need in anyone trying to change my mind or discuss this with me. AND OBAMA DIDN'T DO IT.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)unless you live in a world where unicorns fart pink cotton candy.
veganlush
(2,049 posts)Accidents.
veganlush
(2,049 posts)Tin foil hat, alex jones crap?
BainsBane
(53,116 posts)Is that the argument here?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)BainsBane
(53,116 posts)And what has happened to the world that a tweet is evidence of anything?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)BainsBane
(53,116 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)slam on me.
BainsBane
(53,116 posts)Isn't really a productive way to discuss a subject, but then it appears that doesn't interest you. I myself don't see a point of responding to someone when you have nothing to say.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)about what it says it's about.
what is your investment in trying to make it about something else?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)HiPointDem gave you several opportunities to retract that. It's incredibly revealing you didn't take them. Knock yourself out with your own conspiracy theories. I'm not going to waste the time reading them in the future.
BainsBane
(53,116 posts)Options to retract? I asked what the point is. So what is the point? All you need to do is state your argument. Why should that be so difficult?
Gee, and before you said you loved me. Now you are never going to read what I say again because you don't like the question I asked. Good grief.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)and tenaciously continued attacks. I'm not playing your little game.
I appreciated your contributions when Pope Francis was being attacked before any facts were in about the Argentine war and 1-2 contributions you made about Latin America. None of them were that awesome but I appreciated them. The rest of your contributions here haven't been anything to write home about. So yeah, now I'm not going to read what you say again. Good-bye dear. Continue your little bag of tricks without me.
BainsBane
(53,116 posts)I'm sorry to see that. I wouldn't think making your argument would be so objectionable.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)BainsBane
(53,116 posts)Obviously many others have taken it the same way. Obama/govt, whatever, it's all wacko without actual evidence.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)happened and others want to shut down discussion with ridicule if necessary.
Everyone agrees that it could be just an accident, but some of us want to keep an open mind and investigate other possibilities.
Conspiracies do happen. Denial doesnt make them disappear.
BainsBane
(53,116 posts)Denial? You'd have to have evidence for me to deny anything. If you have any, produce it. But for God's sake, a tweet is not evidence.
struggle4progress
(118,379 posts)at Rolling Stone. And he had plenty of contacts
So why would he reach out to an Australian lawyer if he thought the FBI was after him? It simply doesn't make any sense
I predict that, when the dust settles, the proper take on Robinson's story will be: it was just another attempt to put Wikileak back in the news
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Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Hmmmm
ladjf
(17,320 posts)summary of what this post is all about? My apologies for not being a genius speed reader.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)The death of a journalist who, by his editor's statement, had a history of writing about people who either didn't want to be written about or in General McChrystal's case, didn't like what he wrote because he was relieved of command as a result.
His last story was about NSA's spying and he had worked with Wikileaks.
This particular OP is simply about a tweet from Wikileak's lawyer that he contacted them before his car accident and said the FBI was investigating him.
That's all this is about. But judging by some reactions, it can be about whatever you want it to be.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)
her actions here. This is ghoulish on her part.
The right to client confidentiality remains after death in the US. If she was being consulted on a US prosecution of Hastings, he and his estate had the reasonable expectation of privacy.
If she with merely being consulted is part of another story then the wikileaks tweet is very misleading.
reorg
(3,317 posts)I have noted that most of your posts contain a lot of empty lines. I am referring not just to the content and meaning of your posts, you often put about ten or more totally superfluous empty lines below the text. It is unnerving, makes threads harder to read.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5568504&mesg_id=5569521
Daniel Danny Casolaro Researched BCCI and the Inslaw-PROMIS Affair, found that George HW Bush had ties going around the world and back through Iran-Contra, Iraq-gate, the October Surprise, Watergate, Vietnam, the Bay of Pigs and Dallas. A suicide.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040323075408/http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/91/6/octopus.asp
Abbie Hoffman Yippie of the 60s turned into an investigative reporter in the 80s, researched and wrote about "October Surprise allegations involving George HW Bush, Bill Casey and Robert Gates doing a deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini to delay the release of the USAs Iran embassy hostages in 1980. The pretty good overview appeared in Playboy in 1992. A suicide.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040311135232/http://democracyunbound.com/playboy1088.html
Steve Kangas Researcher and writer who started "Liberal Resurgent" web site dedicated to naming names like Richard Mellon Scaife and telling the truth about what was happening to America. Wrote the seminal The Origins of the Overclass which detailed the role of the CIA in preserving the privileged positions of the nations wealthiest individuals and corporations. A suicide.
link:http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1948198&mesg_id=1949975
Jim Hatfield Researcher and writer who penned Fortunate Son, an unauthorized biography of George W Bush that included allegations of cocaine use, planted by Karl Rove, who knew that Hatfield, an ex-con would be discredited. The last thing Hatfield wrote "Why Would Osama Want to Kill His Ex-Business Partner?" that detailed bin Laden threatening to crash a plane loaded with explosives into the G-8 summit in Genoa Italy in July 2001. Bush slept offshore aboard a US warship and the meeting was guarded by SAMs. A suicide.
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/pearly/htmls1/bush-laden.html
Mark Lombardi Artist and researcher who developed "Global Networks" or Social Network Diagrams which illustrated and chronicled the relationships between many of our days shadiest characters, institutions and treasons. One of his works graphically charted Osama bin Laden, Sheik Salim bin Laden, James R Bath, Texas Gov George W Bush and HARKEN Energy (above). A suicide in March 2000.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=840935
There are many more remembered on DU.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2819427
PS: Some of the links are stale, broken and prolly monitored. The Wayback Machine still has a few of the articles that the NSA doesn't want to find on your hard drive or among your personal technology.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Aaron Hillel Swartz (November 8, 1986 January 11, 2013) was an American computer programmer, writer, political organizer and Internet activist.
Swartz was involved in the development of the web feed format RSS,[4] the organization Creative Commons,[5] the website framework web.py[6] and the social news site Reddit, in which he was an equal partner after its merger with his Infogami company. Swartz also focused on sociology, civic awareness and activism.[7][8] In 2010, he became a research fellow at Harvard Universitys Edmond J. Safra Research Lab on Institutional Corruption, directed by Lawrence Lessig.[9][10] He founded the online group Demand Progress, known for its campaign against the Stop Online Piracy Act.
On January 6, 2011, Swartz was arrested by MIT police on state breaking-and-entering charges, in connection with the systematic downloading of academic journal articles from JSTOR.[11][12][13][14] Federal prosecutors eventually charged him with two counts of wire fraud and 11 violations of the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act,[15] charges carrying a cumulative maximum penalty of $1 million in fines plus 35 years in prison, asset forfeiture, restitution and supervised release.[16]
On January 11, 2013, two years after his initial arrest, Swartz was found dead in his Crown Heights, Brooklyn apartment, where he had hanged himself.[17][18][19]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz
He may not be a journalist per se but one of his last projects was Strongbox
TOR is one of the NSA's worst nightmare. They can't crawl it or index it. It's what Assange used for Wikileaks and recommends people use to exchange information.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)There used to be a word for that, I can't remember too well since they de-funded public education, kind of person. Oh, yeah. A teechur.
Regarding TOR, etc.:
Too late. My spring has been clocked, so to speak.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)but I salute the young generation of programmers for finding and providing ways to either circumvent the NSA or make them work a lot harder for it. I'm so glad I kept my Facebook limited to only friends and family.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and off the the CT corner with you.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)F'r instance, the job Corporate McPravda is doing on Mr. Hastings' memory..."the guy ruined McChrystal's career"...type of thing.
Here's the reality:
"I can personally verify that some of the most damning comments were made by McChrystal himself, and many others made by his aides in his presence were greeted with his enthusiastic approval. Michael refused to give further evidence to the Pentagon investigators, even though he could have directly attributed a host of insubordinate comments to others on the generals staff, in part because he believed that it was not the role of a journalist to open his notebooks to the military, and in part because he felt that what was needed when it came to the war in Afghanistan was not a change in personnel, but in policy." -- Elise Jordan, Mr. Hastings' widow.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/geraldo-rivera-michael-hastings_n_3469936.html
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and anyone else that might challenge the authority of an all mighty leader. I guess investigative journalist needs to be included on the list.
allin99
(894 posts)Catherina
(35,568 posts)allin99
(894 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)that should be asked. What was he doing out at 4:00 am? Where had he been? Where was he heading? Who had he been with? Is there a history of speeding or driving under the influence?
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I just did a cursory search and didn't see anything.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)Many cops will tell you that if something seems too convenient or a coincidence they get twitchy. But, if he in fact has a history of speeding and drinking/drug use this being an accident wouldn't be surprising. Lots of questions and few answers at this point.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)RIP Senator Wellstone too.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)I don't know about the details. I do know that he died from falling and hitting his head. One of the things he always said was if they tell you I slipped and fell and died, its not true.
If you don't know anything about Splitting the Sky, Dacajawea (sp) , Native American activist then he is a worthy of your research. Im troubled by his passing.
http://splittingthesky.blogspot.com/
snot
(10,549 posts)there were a way to scientifically verify my general impression that somehow, journalists/activists/leaders seem to die or otherwise be more or less neutralized in untimely ways at a suspiciously higher rate when they take on the powers that be.
pacalo
(24,721 posts)Looking forward to hearing more from WikiLeaks, also.
As an aside, it's good to know Ben Mankiewicz is a liberal.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)DUGD whistleblower control team needed immediately.
You done it now, sistah. But I'm sure you knew what was coming.
Thanks for the info.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)The DUGD whistleblower control team must be exhausted lol.
But seriously, I had no idea this was coming. I just posted a tweet and a video lol. Because of the inexplicably vicious reaction, now even people who didn't know Michael Hastings before are doing what they can to get to the bottom of this. Ichingcarpenter just posted this.
[]Michael_Hastings[S] 6 points 1 year ago
Yes. Every once and awhile, I'll get a death threat from someone--like, "if we don't like what you write, we'll hunt you down and kill you" kind of thing. But there's a more insidious response most of the time when you piss off the powerful. They come after your career, they try to come after your credibility. They do cocktail party whisper campaigns. They try to make you "controversial." Sadly, The Powers That Be are often aided by other journalists.
The Pentagon has launched three investigations into stories I've done over the past 18 months under the pretense of finding the wrongdoing we were exposing. But the investigations were really about creating a Pentagon approved official document to criticize journalism they don't like.
http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/uaha0/iam_michael_hastings_a_reporter_for_buzzfeed_and/c4tri20
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Keep up the good work!