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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSnowden is a Traitor.
He played it as if he was some sort of whistleblower to get out of the country. He took info with him and plan to use it to get protection and monetary gain.
He is NO HERO. He is NO Whistleblower.
He is a Traitor.
End of message.
Lex
(34,108 posts)Duly noted.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Kaaayyyyyy.
Moving along.......
Tarheel_Dem
(31,254 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Vanje
(9,766 posts)Betcha
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
leftstreet
(36,118 posts)Your post makes DU look stupid
No links, no evidence, no discussion
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)neverforget
(9,437 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Vanje
(9,766 posts)....and I get derided here when once every two years, during a blue moon when broken clocks strike true, I agree with that nut-ball, Ron Paul.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)and his love of liberty.
One change I surely would like to see very soon is punks like him can't just run off with stuff like he did.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)so very sure, that Snowden had dishonorable motives.
I'm quite sincere.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)he either doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about
or he is lieing.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)"Direct Access"..what?
Verb, subject and object, might communicate your meaning.
I don't know why you're sure that Snowden is incompetent, or lying.
If you have time, and hant already seen it, check this out:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/06/16/snowden-whistleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/
The three NSA guys , in the interview, seem quite credible. Though not in full agreement with Snowdens tactics, they dont question the veracity of Snowden's assertions.
As we are probably both avid consumers of news, I wonder what you have learned, that I havnt learned , that makes you so sure that Snowden is incompetent or lying.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)That is not true.
He either is lying or doesn't know what he's talking about.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)He got a lot right. He brought the issue to the forefront. Shone light on the issue.
As to whether he was right about "Google and all those" , I'll wait and see what new developments come to light.
I guess I'm as skeptical about the assurances from Bureaucrats and businessmen in suits, as you are about Mr Snowden.
Summer Hathaway
(2,770 posts)the wise poster is as skeptical of the gov't as he/she is of those who make declarations that they choose not to prove (or are unable to prove).
In Snowden's case, it seems that such cautions should be thrown to the wind - and anything he says, proven or not, should be accepted at face value, and never questioned.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)Corporate-backed lifetime agency men in suits who invented, and profit off of shredding constitutional protections of privacy?
Or a young man who saw some shit at work that he knew was unconstitutional?
Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Think hard.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)If he really is a champion of civil liberties as he claims, then where was he as GOP-controlled states tried to make it harder to vote? Why has he not joined the fight for granting basic rights to gay people and preserving the right to choose? Those should be questions directed towards all Americans who consider themselves libertarians. These people only seem to make noise about supposed liberties when it is most politically-convienent to do so, like with this and with the gun debate.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)How is any of that germane to the subject at hand?
JI7
(89,286 posts)you list.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)He hates women...
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Absolutely, totally, 100%!!
He's less than zero.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Off you go to the ignore list with the rest of the quislings and character assassins.
When you're on Dick Cheney's side of the argument, that says everything.
mick063
(2,424 posts)Can't win the argument so smear the messenger.
still_one
(92,497 posts)are pretty aligned on Snowden. It is the Independents, left, right that are split
sibelian
(7,804 posts)The political affiliation of those indulging in the misdirection is pretty much irrelevant.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)I don't recognize this site anymore.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)of the importance of the issue.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)And all of this stuff that he and Greenwald have been saying is just old news. If they are right - then Snowden didn't do ANYTHING wrong - other than be a bore.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)....but needs hanging as a traitor, anyway.
This place can be crazy town sometimes.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)added sooo much to the debate.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)in spirit if not in letter. Aiding and abetting international rivals like China, even if they aren't technically enemies, is treachery, and it stinks.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Is it something that they do or are they just whatever you say they are?
Kahuna
(27,313 posts)allin99
(894 posts)cuz they are very glad that he leaked the info and they too are going after the admin. Damn those crazy paulbots.
Kahuna
(27,313 posts)allin99
(894 posts)against bush either fwiw.
Kahuna
(27,313 posts)Was I suppose to shake in my boots at the mere mention?
allin99
(894 posts)supposed to make you shake in your boots? the aclu is suing after snowden's reveal, are they paul bots too.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)I wonder what PR firm they work for?
allin99
(894 posts)Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)allin99
(894 posts)boilerbabe
(2,214 posts)bemildred
(90,061 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)HipChick
(25,485 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)allin99
(894 posts)would this have been the case?
http://www.markudall.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=3507
The answer is no.
pick an agenda please. continue to go after snowden or go after the gov't mining after your data.
Vanje
(9,766 posts)former9thward
(32,130 posts)What a threesome!
bowens43
(16,064 posts)sgtbenobo
(327 posts).... you couldn't decide whether you should be vapid, or superficial. I for one am amazed that you have managed to portray both qualities with such vigor.
Bravo Madam well played indeed.
Carry on.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)The Constitution still means something, right?
allin99
(894 posts)making my skin crawl a little. and for what? cuz he's cool? i'm hoping someone can explain to me what it is about him that makes people turn their back on issues i'm sure in the past they had a different stance on. b/c we all know if GW (and on this board i'm sure if it were under clinton), none of this nonsense would happen, they'd be wearing snowden t-shirts and frothing at the mouth about extended surveillance. So what is going on here?
Apophis
(1,407 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)cpwm17
(3,829 posts)So how can he be a traitor? He is one of us. We are the victims.
Snowden exposed their criminality. We are being scammed. Not everybody's falling for it.