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Six months later, we have not forgotten the 26 victims of the Newtown tragedy.
Let your representatives in Congress know that you're #NotBackingDown on gun violence prevention. http://OFA.BO/F14SJK
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Six months ago today, 26 families were torn apart by gun violence. Our representatives in Congress still have yet to take action to protect our children and our communities.
Don't let a milestone like today pass without doing something. Pledge to make a call to Congress: http://OFA.BO/9JmSgC #NotBackingDown
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Call to Action! Do it Now!
sheshe2
(84,057 posts)Do it Now!
okaawhatever
(9,478 posts)Cha
(298,018 posts)sheshe2
(84,057 posts)Let's end this!
sheshe2
(84,057 posts)Kick it! And Sign!
Demand Change... Do it for the Children!
Do it for the Fathers!
Please!
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Our Founding Fathers, even as progressive enlightenment thinkers, could not have foreseen the destructive capability of hand weapons 175(+) years into the future. In fact; because they were enlightenment thinkers, they would have had a predisposition to not envisioning these kinds of weapons. The enlightenment was a humanistic movement, one that thought humans would move forward into a future free of oppression and tyranny. Most enlightenment thinkers (Locke, Mills, Jefferson, Madison, etc) were a bit naive; they failed to take into account mankind's inherent flaws and/or twisted psyches. That aside; I say we accept that they expected firearms to advance in complexity and accuracy. And we interpret the second amendment as accounting for that but not accounting for the twisted direction we went instead of directly forward.
I alway thought that if we regulated magazine fed weapons just a bit differently. Like we do with automatic weapons (yes; you can own submachine guns, sawed off shotguns, dragooned pistols etc; you just need a class III Federal Firearms License ). One of the requirements for a class III license is protective storage. Do something similar for military style magazine fed weapons. That we regulate the weapons, not the owners. A grace period be established to account for all weapons (models to be determined) and any discovery of unaccounted weapons results in their confiscation.
Lets call it the "Militia Equipment Act " for now, and it would cover military styled weapons (magazine fed weapons of calibers and models determined before passage, with the reasoning laid out for a guide to future inclusions). Right to own same as now; weapon storage rules greatly enhanced. Weapons must be stored separately from magazines and ammunition, in locked containers with completely separated locking mechanisms. Weapon safes must be fastened to building framework, secured in such a way as to endanger building stability if violently removed. Magazine and ammunition storage must be fastened to floors or walls in such a way as to severely impede mobility; and fire resistant for (X) mins at (X) temps.
Access to be controlled by the owner of controlled firearms. Ownership by individual or married couples exclusively.
If adequate storage can not be accomplished in a private residence, then group armories can be established, private or municipal. In Group weapon safes, each weapon must be secured by it's owner by an exclusively controlled locking mechanism.
Weapons without detachable magazines legal status remains unchanged. Pistols with removable magazines can be subject to MEA if so determined. All stored weapons must be unloaded.
Ready Firearm exception: One loaded protection firearm maybe kept in a residence. It must be secured with a tamper resistant device but not exclusively a lock. As the chance of being attacked by criminals in platoon strength is somewhat far-fetched, weapons covered by the MEA would not be eligible as a ready firearm.
How is that for a start?
sheshe2
(84,057 posts)No one.
Second amendment, that is so loosely talked about, does not require people to have such fire power. Why would that be needed. It is a ridiculous and deadly idea!
The guns are not being controlled and the safe storage is a joke.
Adam Lanza had access.
IMHO
No Half-Century Man, that is not enough!
ReRe
(10,597 posts)...sheshe2. It seems the M$M has moved on. If any of them had a conscience, they would devote one full minute of time from each program to that panel of photos of those babies. No music, just silence. It's heartless that their faces aren't etched into every citizen's mind and lay heavy on the hearts of everyone. Perhaps each member of both houses of Congress need to be blessed with a photo every day.
I have a family reunion coming up and I think I will copy that photo and hand it out to each family as they are leaving. If I do it before then, they will just leave it behind. I want them to think about these babies all the way home so that on the following Monday morning they might pick up the phone or e-mail or snail mail their Congress persons. I highly recommend others do the same.
Thank you so much for the photos!
sheshe2
(84,057 posts)Have a good time at your reunion.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)As passionate as you are about getting rid of them, is as passionate as the firearm owners are about keeping them. Meet in the middle now, reduce the violence now, let them get used to it, and show them the proof that the USA didn't explode. And work more control after a bit.
Play the long game.
upi402
(16,854 posts)didn't they?
sheshe2
(84,057 posts)Here are the traitors to Newtown!
The Senate failed to meet it.
CORRECTION: This post originally incorrectly stated Chuck Grassley's state. He is a senator from Iowa. Patricia Maisch's first name was also misstated.
Final Vote For Manchin-Toomey Background Check Deal:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/background-checks-bill_n_3103341.html
And see the reaction to Ayotte
Gun vote stirs passion at Ayotte town hall meetings
Erica Lafferty, daughter of Sandyh Hook Elementary School victim Dawn Hochsprung, attends a town hall meeting with Senator Kelly Ayotte in Warren, N.H., on Tuesday.
"You had mentioned that day the burden on owners of gun stores that the expanded background checks would harm. I am just wondering why the burden of my mother being gunned down in the halls of her elementary school isn't more important than that," said Lafferty, whose mother Dawn Hochsprung was gunned down by Newtown shooter Adam Lanza.
SNIP:
Ayotte is one of a handful of senators -- others include Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., Dean Heller, R-Nev., Heidi Heitkamp, D-N.D., and Max Baucus, D-Mont. -- who are facing withering criticism from both sides of the debate.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/30/17988465-gun-vote-stirs-passion-at-ayotte-town-hall-meetings?lite
... I'm not backing down! Thanks for the OP bringing this sad fact (4,000 deaths since Dec 14) to everyone's attention and also the links. We must elect Congressmen/Women who are not intimidated by the gun lobby and who will vote for meaningful & strong gun regulations.
sheshe2
(84,057 posts)Special election against Gomez.
For John Kerry's seat June 26th 2013!
Thanks ReRe!
That photo of Markey and Warren walking in the Gay Pride Parade in Boston pops into my mind when I hear either of their names. Go Markey!!! Boston Strong!
I just have to say...
343 views....only 24 people believe this thread about the deaths of 27 people that were senselessly shot down in Newtown were important. There were 20 five and six year old children shot to death, mutilated. Six were the children's teachers and protectors. One his Mother.
4800 more since that time.
There is nothing more that I can say.
I weep for our country and for our souls.
malaise
(269,278 posts)for the children, their educators, the parents, families friends and classmates
I certainly have not forgotten.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)HappyMe
(20,277 posts)I guess you should have put "snowden!!1" in the title.
you are probably right, HappyMe!
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)on other issues, as well.
"Let your representatives in Congress know that you're #NotBackingDown on gun violence prevention."
Too many people here apparently are unaware that a President is not the person who makes or passes laws.