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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:27 PM Jun 2013

The Rude Pundit: Liberal NSA Apologists Can Take It All, Want More

There's a sexist old joke the Rude Pundit's been thinking about since the revelations of the massive amount of data collection and, you know, spying on Americans and others being done by the NSA, FBI, Prism, and who knows who else - maybe the Chinese restaurant on the corner here. It's one of those jokes about dicks that 13 year-olds tell and laugh at as if they understand them. Here it goes:

A dude with a giant cock can't find any women who can take his entire huge prick when he's fucking them. He keeps fucking women, but they stop him because his dick is so big that, when he's fucking their pussies, it hurts, like he's gonna rupture something. So the dude is completely unsatisfied. He decides to take out an ad, challenging women to take it all. And women take up the thrown gauntlet. Woman after woman tries to fit his immense schlong into their cunts, but it's no-go. Suddenly, a small, old woman appears. (It's never made clear by the teller where this interview/boning session is occurring, but let's say it's a room at a Holiday Inn because, of course, it would be a room at a Holiday Inn.) She tells him that she can take the massive member, all of it. In fact, a giant cock is the only way she can get off. To himself, the dude scoffs. No way, he thinks. She gets on the bed and tells him, "Put it in halfway first so I can get used to it." Fuck that, the dude thinks, I'm gonna shove it all in and kill this old lady. So he thrusts it all in, quickly. The old woman moans, catches her breath, and says, "Okay, now the other half."

Rim shot.

When he was with his middle school friends, it was funny in a "Hey, that guy thought he was gonna kill a woman with his dick, but she showed him" kind of way. But when he thought about the joke in the last week, he felt sorry for the old woman, so used up by men that she could barely feel the fucking she was getting, no matter how big the cock, and he was sad that the woman put herself in that position, as if the ability to take an enormous prick was some measure of her worth and that she was apparently ready and willing to take more, even if it hurt. You might respond, "Yeah, but maybe she just wanted to get fucked." And the Rude Pundit would sigh and pop a Xanax with some whiskey to make you fade away.

Whenever someone who is presumptively on the left defends or brushes off the NSA/FBI spying on everyone, they become that woman. Jeffrey Toobin, Joe Klein, numerous Democrats in Congress, basically anyone whose reaction to the revelations was "So? They're keeping us safe," they all have taken the fucking and said they're ready to get the other half.

And with that is the number of people who attack Edward Snowden, the analyst who leaked the information (with more to come) as some sort of sociopathic rebel who wanted to betray everyone because that's what high school dropouts do or some such shit. Don't they get that it hurts their argument to attack Snowden? See, if Snowden is a misfit toy crossed with Rain Man, how the fuck did he get such a high security clearance? If he was such a loose cannon-in-waiting, why didn't the intelligence apparatus see that in him and not give him the ability to deal with Top Secret material? How good is an intelligence organization that can't successfully vet its workers? And if we can't trust them to read the tea leaves on the people who are being asked to read the tea leaves, how the fuck can we trust them to sift through our metadata or web histories?

But, no, go ahead, let that big dick fuck you and ask for more.

The point for people who are upset about the NSA scandal isn't that spying happens. No shit. We know it. The point here is that everyone was spied on. And we're supposed to have rules about that. And who fucking cares if a court approves it? Who cares if a secret court is making secret rulings on secret evidence that secretly let the secret finders find more secrets in secret? The Supreme Court ruled on Citizens United in a way that the left is savagely opposed to. Did everyone just throw up their hands and say, "Well, fuck me, guess the fight's over." No. Even President Obama told the court they were wrong.

But let's take Obama at his word. Let's really debate it. Now, tell us all how we can do that when the response to any questions is that something is classified and that we can't know what good is being done. Former NSA workers corroborate Snowden, and they all say this is just the "tip of the iceberg." Maybe we can have a debate with winks and high signs. Or maybe the government will just lie, like James Clapper to Congress.

Look, the Rude Pundit doesn't like that this is happening under a Democratic president. It did, though. So ask yourself, dear, sweet fellow liberals, many of whom oppose things like stop-and-frisk as invasions of privacy: If this was a Bush or a Nixon, would you be so blase' about it?

That old woman should have never gone to the Holiday Inn. She should have answered the ad with a letter that told the dude to take his big dick and go fuck himself with it and see if he can take it all.

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The Rude Pundit: Liberal NSA Apologists Can Take It All, Want More (Original Post) meegbear Jun 2013 OP
K&R Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #1
The Rude one gets it. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #18
This should be interesting. bunnies Jun 2013 #2
Seeing national security discussions as entertainment with popcorn emoticons Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #3
Really? bunnies Jun 2013 #6
Good job pointing out how rude the Rude Pundit is. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #33
Sweet. bunnies Jun 2013 #35
Seriously. mimi85 Jun 2013 #52
Do you? tavalon Jun 2013 #103
It's a passive-aggressive tactic. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #112
and if they didnt get shown the door... bunnies Jun 2013 #113
When Limbaugh goes off on one of his sexists rants, they should have no reason to be outraged. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #115
Dont be silly. bunnies Jun 2013 #116
That article reads as if it could have been written by Ann Coulter. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #117
Couldnt agree more. bunnies Jun 2013 #118
128 now, and I was glad to do so RetroLounge Jun 2013 #120
It doesnt make me squirm. It repulses me. bunnies Jun 2013 #121
Such a delicate flower... RetroLounge Jun 2013 #125
Incredibly crude pscot Jun 2013 #4
Well, the Rude Pundit Certainly Didn't Disappoint. Fantastic Anarchist Jun 2013 #5
Really? Okay. I'll start.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #86
I knew I'd find a Duzy in here tavalon Jun 2013 #104
Rude Pundit shows how easy this argument really is in 1 paragraph: Hydra Jun 2013 #7
It has been a revealing few days on DU, for sure. grasswire Jun 2013 #8
Actually the sequel is being written in front of us nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #10
Has been for a long time Hydra Jun 2013 #12
Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #20
There are many Cassandras here tavalon Jun 2013 #106
I know. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #107
Yes it is tavalon Jun 2013 #105
It's actually already been written in 2007 by Joe Conason, "It Can Happen Here". canoeist52 Jun 2013 #38
Thanks for another book I should read :P Hydra Jun 2013 #48
yes, that NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #37
Me, too ybbor Jun 2013 #62
The defining moment for me was this interview with Duane Clarridge on "national security interests" Agony Jun 2013 #74
Bookmarking. woo me with science Jun 2013 #94
God damn... Hydra Jun 2013 #98
OMG, that's horrible tavalon Jun 2013 #108
the CIA makes the mafia look like choirboys NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #110
he's one sick fuck NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #111
Perfectly summarized. woo me with science Jun 2013 #95
I hate the use of the word 'Liberal' here n2doc Jun 2013 #9
They are the new 27%ers BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #13
Then you won't need "their" votes whenever your candidate comes up for election, correct? CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #21
The point is, they WILL vote n2doc Jun 2013 #23
Alienation and condescension aren't a great strategy, CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #28
Whatever n2doc Jun 2013 #30
Well, all I'll say in closing is that CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #44
"Alienation and condescension aren't a great strategy" especially when you represent a teeny Number23 Jun 2013 #84
Oh, you don't want to go there. Moderate democrats dump all over liberals all the time and liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #31
Hey there again! CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #46
Exactly! n/t mimi85 Jun 2013 #54
doesn't work for me. I'm more of a socialist, so to me the current democratic policies are just liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #57
How does your voting straight D ticket in your precinct keep Cantor, Gohmert & Rubio Demit Jun 2013 #59
... BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #36
LOLOL Skittles Jun 2013 #82
The scary thing is that there are two sets of 27%'ers. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #34
You got that right BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #39
A friend of mine used an interesting term earlier ... "Hopium Addict" Myrina Jun 2013 #14
I don't think it is unique to Obama n2doc Jun 2013 #15
I agree, they're on both sides of the aisle ... Myrina Jun 2013 #17
True, that. n2doc Jun 2013 #25
And then there are those CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #22
I think you'll note that LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #40
As opposed to being hooked on the "Ed" and "Glenn" stuff--even when it comes out that MADem Jun 2013 #27
Here is Glenn's response to you: Maedhros Jun 2013 #45
Apparently the Guardian doesn't have anyone on staff with an iota of IT experience! MADem Jun 2013 #60
Well said! mimi85 Jun 2013 #61
Greenwald did not lie. Maedhros Jun 2013 #73
They published that days before their sideways "clarification" MADem Jun 2013 #75
Interpretive Error? I can buy that. Maedhros Jun 2013 #99
He didn't vet his source, he didn't vet his source's material, and he MADem Jun 2013 #100
Not by my reckoning. Maedhros Jun 2013 #109
He reported falsely. MADem Jun 2013 #119
By all means Maedhros Jun 2013 #124
I knew Murdoch had to be involved somewhere... marions ghost Jun 2013 #96
They're authoritarians, yep. "Liberal" is just a sports team for them-- and that's Marr Jun 2013 #19
That's exactly it. Right-wing authoritarianism. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #79
on the simplest psychological level, it's just that they made a choice and can't unmake it, no matte MisterP Jun 2013 #43
"If this was a Bush or a Nixon, would you be so blase' about it?" FlyByNight Jun 2013 #11
A visual that explains Maedhros Jun 2013 #47
Independents have more logical consistency/ethical integrity than Democrats carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #71
"let that big dick fuck you and ask for more" forestpath Jun 2013 #16
Once was enough.... mimi85 Jun 2013 #66
Save your lecture, I don't take orders from you. forestpath Jun 2013 #88
I hate to Rec something so crude, bvar22 Jun 2013 #24
I hate to Rec something so crude, mimi85 Jun 2013 #67
Thing about Mssrs. Jokeline & Tube-in is: they ain't seen the HALF of it yet. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #26
Rude Pundit Incerted ( no pun intended) a rude joke in an zeeland Jun 2013 #29
After this week I have no doubt the president could do whatever the fuck he wants whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #32
Waiting for the feminist... one_voice Jun 2013 #41
I have to agree with you. The Rude Pundit isn't rude--he's a sexist asshole. MADem Jun 2013 #76
"Jay Z sings these lyrics he's the devil incarnate." NAIL MEET HAMMER Number23 Jun 2013 #85
That's a good question. MADem Jun 2013 #128
did you just repost the entire joke to complain about it? Doctor_J Jun 2013 #90
I guess timdog44 Jun 2013 #42
"And if we do not do surveillance and, like my examples I have given before, Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #50
I would agree with you on that. timdog44 Jun 2013 #51
I think going back to pre 2001 levels would be a good start. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #64
I think, timdog44 Jun 2013 #65
why? nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #68
It seem to me timdog44 Jun 2013 #72
True enough. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #123
Well, that pretty much settles it... cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #49
That's sarcasm, yes? tkmorris Jun 2013 #53
LOL yes it is. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #58
Nah, just engaged in blasphemy. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #55
fuck you rude. you went at this with a bit too much relish and zest for detail cali Jun 2013 #56
Well, he usually does it with homosexual imagery. Demit Jun 2013 #63
So he's a homophobe mimi85 Jun 2013 #69
No, I don't get that at all. Demit Jun 2013 #87
"Spying" versus "collating" JackHughes Jun 2013 #70
Who knows what they're doing? secondvariety Jun 2013 #77
Guessing there was a point to this. It might even have been a good one Live and Learn Jun 2013 #78
Reading naughty words must be soooo hard for you. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #81
I don't consider myself a prude at all but Live and Learn Jun 2013 #83
K&R, especially since people are already acting offended! backscatter712 Jun 2013 #80
This just in---> Degrading women actually offends some of us. bunnies Jun 2013 #114
here at du all of the apologists are not the liberals. they are the Doctor_J Jun 2013 #89
Let's have the debate Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2013 #91
Say, how did he get that nick name? K&R (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2013 #92
K&R NealK Jun 2013 #93
Secrets need to have a sunset polynomial Jun 2013 #97
The Rude One knocks it out of the park again. 99Forever Jun 2013 #101
Thank you, my dear Rudeness tavalon Jun 2013 #102
Nasty sex-as-violence joke. Nine Jun 2013 #122
So sex jokes = holocaust jokes? RetroLounge Jun 2013 #126
That's not a sex joke. It's closer to a rape joke. Nine Jun 2013 #127
*you* can think what you like RetroLounge Jun 2013 #129

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
18. The Rude one gets it.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:08 PM
Jun 2013
See, if Snowden is a misfit toy crossed with Rain Man, how the fuck did he get such a high security clearance? If he was such a loose cannon-in-waiting, why didn't the intelligence apparatus see that in him and not give him the ability to deal with Top Secret material? How good is an intelligence organization that can't successfully vet its workers? And if we can't trust them to read the tea leaves on the people who are being asked to read the tea leaves, how the fuck can we trust them to sift through our metadata or web histories?


I just asked Snowden's detractors the exact same question in my OP. They TRUST those who hired someone they believe never should have the job. They blame HIM for being hired!

Lol, thanks Rude One, it's colorful as always, but you made the point better than I.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. Seeing national security discussions as entertainment with popcorn emoticons
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:38 PM
Jun 2013

is an interesting if difficult to observe choice.
Just very much groovy in my book. Gives me the creeps.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
6. Really?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

Popcorn is just as creepy as comparing National Security to a sexist "joke" about having a huge cock rammed in multiple "pussies" and "cunts"? If you say so.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
103. Do you?
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:15 AM
Jun 2013

Many here on this very board, have not.

If it takes the Rude Pundit to make the idiots (including some here on this board) understand the gravity and importance of what just got disclosed, so be it.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
112. It's a passive-aggressive tactic.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 08:59 AM
Jun 2013

If a member posted something along the lines of the article, they might get shown the door.

Just re-posting someone else's stuff is safe.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
113. and if they didnt get shown the door...
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:17 AM
Jun 2013

they'd be ripped to complete shreds. Yet this piece of sexist garbage gets 123 recs (so far). I guess degrading women is all peachy-keen as long as it fits the popular narrative. Its disgusting. Especially on a Democratic board.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
115. When Limbaugh goes off on one of his sexists rants, they should have no reason to be outraged.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:03 AM
Jun 2013

Total double standard from people who fail to see their own hypocrisy.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
116. Dont be silly.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:34 AM
Jun 2013

That'll be totally different due to some bizarre twist of logic. But then again, maybe if Rush written this instead of RP, just as many people would be swooning.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
117. That article reads as if it could have been written by Ann Coulter.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:51 AM
Jun 2013

Same type of humiliating sexist crap, and it gets applauded here because the author is on 'our' side.

And many of those cheering it on need to re-think what they are supporting.

This is vile.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
121. It doesnt make me squirm. It repulses me.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:38 AM
Jun 2013

Yes. Degrading women repulses me. Words, in themselves, dont bother me in the least. I do, however, find sexism rather abhorrent.
Obviously you dont. Good for you. I guess.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
5. Well, the Rude Pundit Certainly Didn't Disappoint.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

And he makes a great point; let's have the debate, in the very least!

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
7. Rude Pundit shows how easy this argument really is in 1 paragraph:
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:12 PM
Jun 2013
The point here is that everyone was spied on. And we're supposed to have rules about that. And who fucking cares if a court approves it? Who cares if a secret court is making secret rulings on secret evidence that secretly let the secret finders find more secrets in secret?


That's really all this is. We used to get angry when we heard stories of secret courts with secret rulings and secret interpretations of the law and secret prisons and spying and all the other crap the USSR was famous for.

...And no we have all of that here. Because some of us are scared, and some of us are just plain evil.

How Un-American is that, if you'll pardon the term?

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
8. It has been a revealing few days on DU, for sure.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:35 PM
Jun 2013

Too bad Sinclair Lewis isn't here to write the sequel. It CAN happen here.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
12. Has been for a long time
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:49 PM
Jun 2013

You and I have both seen it happen it from here at DU.

*laughs* and I'd love to have a count of how many of my posts warning about it were deleted back before the jury system simply because someone didn't want to think about the implications.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
106. There are many Cassandras here
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:19 AM
Jun 2013

I've called myself that for as long as I can remember. Would that people would recognize before or after that I was right, but then, I wouldn't be a Cassandra, would I?

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
105. Yes it is
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:17 AM
Jun 2013

and many people here are busy focusing on the wrong thing. Personality or who happens to be the President now. Not The Point!

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
38. It's actually already been written in 2007 by Joe Conason, "It Can Happen Here".
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.amazon.com/It-Can-Happen-Here-Authoritarian/dp/0312379307

"Conason follows Sinclair Lewis' 1935 book It Can't Happen Here with a firm assertion that fascism can indeed take root and blossom in the U.S. if Americans aren't more vigilant about freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Although we are not facing full-blown fascism, Conason sees a "gradual and insidious turn toward authoritarian rule" for the first time since the Nixon administration. He explores how and why Lewis' grim and amusing tale resonates today as Americans watch an increasingly secretive Bush administration usurp the power of the legislature and disregard provisions of the Constitution by stoking fear of terrorism. Conason, author of Big Lies (2003) and The Raw Deal (2005), points to periods throughout history when nations have been tempted by tyrants to turn over the reins of government, and the factors in U.S. history and culture that make us vulnerable to similar impulses now, in the midst of manufactured fears. However readers might feel about Conason's political viewpoints, his caution is worth considering." Vanessa Bush


Hydra

(14,459 posts)
48. Thanks for another book I should read :P
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:10 PM
Jun 2013

I'm a student of Hannah Arendt, so I fully believe we can and will slide into the abyss unless everyone understands how far there is to fall.

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
37. yes, that
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jun 2013

the secrecy about the secrecy and the secret evidence is a killer. Also the lies, and the private contractors handling our private info. Fuck national security. I'm so sick of that term being thrown around to stifle all discussion of what they are doing.

ybbor

(1,556 posts)
62. Me, too
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jun 2013

"We can't stop them from protecting our national security". "National Security"= corporate interests. Such total BS!

Way to go Rude!

Agony

(2,605 posts)
74. The defining moment for me was this interview with Duane Clarridge on "national security interests"
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:23 PM
Jun 2013


1:03 2:31 2:55

"if you don't like it, lump it. get used to it world"

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
98. God damn...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:46 PM
Jun 2013


He categorically denied the facts because it didn't fit his agenda, and we were just supposed to take his word for it.

"National Security Interests"- as the interviewer said, "That's sort of like 'divine right,' isn't it?"

That was powerful and freaky...thank you for posting it.

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
108. OMG, that's horrible
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:24 AM
Jun 2013

That was a horrible 3 minutes of my life that I will never get back. Who the fuck does Duane Clarridge think he is and worse than that, who does the US think he is? He's clearly a Mafia goon in a CIA disguise. Disgusting.

 

NoMoreWarNow

(1,259 posts)
110. the CIA makes the mafia look like choirboys
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jun 2013

are you kidding?

Besides, the CIA has long worked with mafia thugs.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
9. I hate the use of the word 'Liberal' here
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:36 PM
Jun 2013

These folks aren't 'liberals', at least as a political philosophy. They are followers. As in "Whatever my President says to do, I will do it, and will defend it". That is a different philosophy. I wish they would stop calling themselves liberals, though. "Obamaians" perhaps?

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
13. They are the new 27%ers
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:52 PM
Jun 2013

They care not about anything but defending one man, in fact that man's illusion. They should not be listened to.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
21. Then you won't need "their" votes whenever your candidate comes up for election, correct?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:12 PM
Jun 2013

I assume that you don't expect anything but burned bridges with all your "they should not be listened to" talk.

Nice way to try to denigrate/isolate other members of DU, who DO vote Democratic.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
23. The point is, they WILL vote
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jun 2013

They are unquestioning supporters of the Democratic Party. They ALWAYS vote for whomever the leadership tells them to. Undoubtedly in a straight party line vote also.

Your threat is meaningless.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
28. Alienation and condescension aren't a great strategy,
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jun 2013

But since you're cloaked in anonymity, I guess it's a form of consequence-free catharsis since you can't really fight the two-party system very effectively from a message board.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
44. Well, all I'll say in closing is that
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

it sucks that people have to insult others' intelligence under this so-called 'big tent' because they're not totally in line with their views, or dare to see some other aspect, or are simply not willing to be as hyperbolic about an issue as they.

When someone you might consider to be on "your" side of the issue starts asking people to make lists, well.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
84. "Alienation and condescension aren't a great strategy" especially when you represent a teeny
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:59 PM
Jun 2013

tiny minority.

But hey, keep calling everyone "stupid," "authoritarians," "Third Wayers," etc, etc. idiotic, stupid meaningless names. THAT'S the way to finally crack that 20% of the American voting public mark!1

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
31. Oh, you don't want to go there. Moderate democrats dump all over liberals all the time and
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:36 PM
Jun 2013

when it is time to vote, we are told to tow the line and vote for a democrat even if that democrat does not represent our values. If we don't vote for a democrat we are blamed for the republicans winning. So, if we're talking about people not needing votes, then I guess the democrats don't need mine.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
46. Hey there again!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:07 PM
Jun 2013

Yep, I still don't want the GOP controlling a damn thing.

And I'll say again: Until someone comes up with a viable alternative to either party that can win nationally, I'm voting Dem. Straight ticket.

People can cluck and turn their nose up at that idea all they want, but I'll be damned if I want the likes of Eric Cantor and Louie Gohmert and Marco Rubio calling the shots.

It'd be nice to see Dems stop bitching about which Dems are more Dem or true Dem or Liberal or whateverthefuck and get together to keep the GOP from sending everything to hell, but apparently that's too groupthinky and locksteppy for some.

Waiting to see them unveil their grand plan. Anytime now...

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
57. doesn't work for me. I'm more of a socialist, so to me the current democratic policies are just
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:36 PM
Jun 2013

as bad. Listen, I don't begrudge anyone their vote. My personal opinion is that each person's vote is personal, private, and sacred. Each person should vote their conscience. Which is why I can no longer just go along with whatever the democrats do. If they don't represent my values, I cannot vote for them.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
59. How does your voting straight D ticket in your precinct keep Cantor, Gohmert & Rubio
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jun 2013

from calling the shots? You can't personally be in a position to vote them all out. They're all from different states. That kind of makes no sense.

And your statement about wanting an alternative to the two parties to being able to win nationally before you'll stop not voting for an alternative is kind of nonsensical too. I mean, voters continuing to vote for the existing parties is pretty much why alternatives never get viable.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
36. ...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:47 PM
Jun 2013


Such meanies!

I thought it was liberals and lefties who were the reason why Democrats lose elections?

Because DLCers who scream at anyone who stands up for Democratic principles and the Constitution are doing a GREAT job at encouraging Democratic votes!

Again, thanks for the LOLZ

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
14. A friend of mine used an interesting term earlier ... "Hopium Addict"
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:58 PM
Jun 2013

They're addicted to the "Hope meme"/cult of personality.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
15. I don't think it is unique to Obama
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:02 PM
Jun 2013

I think that both parties have their die hard supporters who let their leadership do the thinking and choices for them. In some ways, a party has to have a base that is unquestioning, or else it will dissolve under pressure. The problem is that there are those who are quite good at getting under everyone else's skin in their unthinking loyalty. I guess that is just part of the way of the Internet.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
17. I agree, they're on both sides of the aisle ...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jun 2013

.... My suggestion was in response to your suggestion of "Obamaians" ....

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
40. I think you'll note that
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:50 PM
Jun 2013

people that have previously expressed opionions on both sides of this matter have pretty much universally been aghast at that post.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
27. As opposed to being hooked on the "Ed" and "Glenn" stuff--even when it comes out that
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:23 PM
Jun 2013

they've both done their share of prevaricating.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
45. Here is Glenn's response to you:
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-partisanship-propaganda-prism

"They are wrong. Our story was not inaccurate. The Washington Post revised parts of its article, but its reporter, Bart Gellman, stands by its core claims ("From their workstations anywhere in the world, government employees cleared for PRISM access may 'task' the system and receive results from an Internet company without further interaction with the company's staff&quot .

The Guardian has not revised any of our articles and, to my knowledge, has no intention to do so. That's because we did not claim that the NSA document alleging direct collection from the servers was true; we reported - accurately - that the NSA document claims that the program allows direct collection from the companies' servers. Before publishing, we went to the internet companies named in the documents and asked about these claims. When they denied it, we purposely presented the story as one of a major discrepancy between what the NSA document claims and what the internet companies claim, as the headline itself makes indisputably clear."


As for Snowden, the orchestrated backlash is expected - that's how the administration always treats leakers/whistleblowers:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/14/the-sickening-snowden-backlash.html

MADem

(135,425 posts)
60. Apparently the Guardian doesn't have anyone on staff with an iota of IT experience!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:42 PM
Jun 2013

And Greenwald is still lying--the Guardian has "revised"--they haven't rewritten GG's shit but they most certainly have issued clarifications and updates, so he's bullshitting, still. It's like he can't help himself.


While the rest of the world plays “Where In The World Is Edward Snowdiego?”, The Guardian has quietly clarified a key piece of Glenn Greenwald‘s reporting, in comically aggressive/aggressive fashion. When news of the NSA’s Prism data collection program was first broken by Greenwald and The Washington Post‘s Laura Poitros, the “grabber” was that the spy agency had “direct access” to the servers of large internet providers. WaPo, however, backed off of this claim almost immediately, while The Guardian let it stand until today, when it left-cheek-sneaked out a clarification by other reporters.

Calling this a “clarification” is actually very generous, since Greenwald’s initial reporting on Prism gave the unmistakable impression that the NSA was jacking directly into the servers of companies like Google and Facebook, and that it collected information without authorization....

http://www.mediaite.com/online/fulsome-prism-blues-the-guardian-offers-2nd-worst-clarification-ever-on-nsa-story/


And doesn''t Kirsten Powers have an interesting background--a Democrat who has done a lot of work for Rupert Murdoch--he's the guy who owns a minority share in the Hong Kong paper where "Ed" gave his second interview. Strange bedfellows...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/contributors/kirsten-powers.html
Kirsten Powers is a columnist for The Daily Beast. She is also a contributor to USA Today and a Fox News political analyst. She served in the Clinton administration from 1993 to 1998 and has worked in New York state and city politics. Her writing has been published in The Wall Street Journal, USA Today, New York Post, The New York Observer, Salon.com, Elle magazine, and American Prospect online.


There's a lot going on here, and anyone who is trying to make this a party line issue has their head wedged quite firmly up their ass. This is not about "Obama supporters" vs. "everyone else." That's too easy.

This thing is a centipede, and there are 99 shoes left to drop. I would not be surprised if some of that footwear was made in China.

mimi85

(1,805 posts)
61. Well said!
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:50 PM
Jun 2013

I've never cared for GG since the first time I heard him (or read - can't remember now). Kind of the same feeling I had the first time I saw Tiger Woods and Lance Armstrong. And my daughter's boyfriend.

Maybe I should go into business as a fortune teller.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
73. Greenwald did not lie.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 05:53 PM
Jun 2013

From the Prism document itself (from this link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-surveillance-prism-obama-live?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20full-width-1%20bento-box:Bento%20box osition2#block-51b36893e4b0cc6424372292):

In the interests of aiding the debate over how Prism works, the Guardian is publishing an additional slide from the 41-slide presentation which details Prism and its operation. We have redacted some program names.

The slide, below, details different methods of data collection under the FISA Amendment Act of 2008 (which was renewed in December 2012). It clearly distinguishes Prism, which involves data collection from servers, as distinct from four different programs involving data collection from "fiber cables and infrastructure as data flows past".




The NSA documents clearly say that PRISM collects "directly from the servers" of the indicated companies. Greenwald reported both that the documents indicated this and also that the companies had denied it.

That is not a lie.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
75. They published that days before their sideways "clarification"
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jun 2013

You are showing me "before" and I am talking about "after" -- and the reference is that slide, specifically. It would help if you read the links.

Why did they "clarify" if they were so certain of their facts?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/fulsome-prism-blues-the-guardian-offers-2nd-worst-clarification-ever-on-nsa-story/

Again:


While the rest of the world plays “Where In The World Is Edward Snowdiego?”, The Guardian has quietly clarified a key piece of Glenn Greenwald‘s reporting, in comically aggressive/aggressive fashion. When news of the NSA’s Prism data collection program was first broken by Greenwald and The Washington Post‘s Laura Poitros, the “grabber” was that the spy agency had “direct access” to the servers of large internet providers. WaPo, however, backed off of this claim almost immediately, while The Guardian let it stand until today, when it left-cheek-sneaked out a clarification by other reporters.

Calling this a “clarification” is actually very generous, since Greenwald’s initial reporting on Prism gave the unmistakable impression that the NSA was jacking directly into the servers of companies like Google and Facebook, and that it collected information without authorization:

The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.
…The document claims “collection directly from the servers” of major US service providers.
…Companies are legally obliged to comply with requests for users’ communications under US law, but the Prism program allows the intelligence services direct access to the companies’ servers.
…But the Prism program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the agency to directly and unilaterally seize the communications off the companies’ servers.
…With this program, the NSA is able to reach directly into the servers of the participating companies and obtain both stored communications as well as perform real-time collection on targeted users.

There was even a slide that referenced “collection directly from the servers” of the companies. As it turns out, though, the slide was referring to a different kind of server, which I will let Bob Cesca (who flagged the correction) explain:

It sounds like an FTP server to me, not unlike Dropbox. This is how many of us transfer digital files that are too large for email. The NSA apparently doesn’t enjoy a free pass to directly grab up server data at will — instead, it merely downloads it from an FTP server (or similar) after it’s been placed there by the tech company that set it up for them. Again, this undercuts one of the most outrage-inducing aspects of Greenwald’s story, not to mention the initial Washington Post reporting as well. The NSA doesn’t have “direct access” to anything other than an innocuous file transfer “mailbox.” But “direct access” sounds sexier and therefore feeds the outrage agenda.


Oooops.

Big fail, there.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
100. He didn't vet his source, he didn't vet his source's material, and he
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:00 AM
Jun 2013

hasn't retracted a substantial and substantive material error in his work product.

He drank the Kool Aid. He's not reporting the story, he's part of it.

It's an error, all right--a huge mistake, the way he went about this. He's not to be believed--at least not without two unrelated sources backing up what he says.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
109. Not by my reckoning.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 02:20 AM
Jun 2013

He reported on what the documents said, and also reported that the targeted companies were refuting it. That's accurate.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
119. He reported falsely.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jun 2013
Greenwald’s initial reporting on Prism gave the unmistakable impression that the NSA was jacking directly into the servers of companies like Google and Facebook, and that it collected information without authorization...

That wasn't accurate.
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
19. They're authoritarians, yep. "Liberal" is just a sports team for them-- and that's
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jun 2013

if they're one of the few that actually embraces it. Most of the apologists I've seen around here use "liberal" and "the left" as pejoratives. They seem to prefer the much more malleable, nebulous, team-oriented word, "Democrat".

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
79. That's exactly it. Right-wing authoritarianism.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:42 PM
Jun 2013

Read Bob Altemeyer's book The Authoritarians for a good psychological analysis of this personality.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

Also read John Dean's books, Conservatives Without Conscience in particular.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
43. on the simplest psychological level, it's just that they made a choice and can't unmake it, no matte
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:56 PM
Jun 2013

r how bad it turned out (viz, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq--Syria, Iran?)

FlyByNight

(1,756 posts)
11. "If this was a Bush or a Nixon, would you be so blase' about it?"
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:46 PM
Jun 2013

Been wondering that question ever since Prism was exposed. Be it either wing of the Business Party, this is all very troubling - to say the least. Still wondering where the probable cause lies in all of this.

Contextually, the rest of the post is spot on too. Thanks yet again, Rude.

carolinayellowdog

(3,247 posts)
71. Independents have more logical consistency/ethical integrity than Democrats
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:44 PM
Jun 2013

but Republicans less (no surprise), if you judge by the magnitude of the shift

 

forestpath

(3,102 posts)
16. "let that big dick fuck you and ask for more"
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:04 PM
Jun 2013

That about sums it up.

As for asking themselves if this was Bush or Nixon would they still be so blasé about it - reflection and self-awareness isn't their major trait.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
24. I hate to Rec something so crude,
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:16 PM
Jun 2013

...but this is an apt and deserved description for our current situation.

I will not only recommend this,
but will post a permalink to this rant in every thread on DU that attacks the messenger
in the misguided belief that it somehow helps the Democratic Party or their favorite politician.


[font size=4]The Conservative Bubble

Its not just for Republicans anymore.[/font]


[font size=3]The point here is that everyone was spied on. And we're supposed to have rules about that. And who fucking cares if a court approves it? Who cares if a secret court is making secret rulings on secret evidence that secretly let the secret finders find more secrets in secret?
[/font]

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
26. Thing about Mssrs. Jokeline & Tube-in is: they ain't seen the HALF of it yet.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jun 2013

It will slam home at a time of its own choosing.

zeeland

(247 posts)
29. Rude Pundit Incerted ( no pun intended) a rude joke in an
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:28 PM
Jun 2013

otherwise polite, spot on post. He also managed to accurately do so without
rudely expressing disrespect towards President Obama and the office he holds.
Recent posts on DU rival the disrespect shown by Joe Wilson and other repuke haters.

Or, after raising three sons and accustomed to having a household of adolescent boys,
I'm not easily shocked.

Obama promised transparency in our government, I'm holding him to that promise
maybe above all others.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
32. After this week I have no doubt the president could do whatever the fuck he wants
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jun 2013

and democrats would throw themselves into a wood chipper to defend it. Bless you Rude.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
41. Waiting for the feminist...
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:53 PM
Jun 2013

Cuz I don't give a shit what your name is or how liberal you are...any one else put this shit on DU and the roof would blow the fuck off...that's all I'm saying..

A dude with a giant cock can't find any women who can take his entire huge prick when he's fucking them. He keeps fucking women, but they stop him because his dick is so big that, when he's fucking their pussies, it hurts, like he's gonna rupture something. So the dude is completely unsatisfied. He decides to take out an ad, challenging women to take it all. And women take up the thrown gauntlet. Woman after woman tries to fit his immense schlong into their cunts, but it's no-go. Suddenly, a small, old woman appears. (It's never made clear by the teller where this interview/boning session is occurring, but let's say it's a room at a Holiday Inn because, of course, it would be a room at a Holiday Inn.) She tells him that she can take the massive member, all of it. In fact, a giant cock is the only way she can get off. To himself, the dude scoffs. No way, he thinks. She gets on the bed and tells him, "Put it in halfway first so I can get used to it." Fuck that, the dude thinks, I'm gonna shove it all in and kill this old lady. So he thrusts it all in, quickly. The old woman moans, catches her breath, and says, "Okay, now the other half."



Jay Z sings these lyrics he's the devil incarnate. Hell, Beyonce gets shit for not taking him to task for it....


And like Snowden, Assange, etc, this isn't about me, I didn't say those words.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
76. I have to agree with you. The Rude Pundit isn't rude--he's a sexist asshole.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:59 PM
Jun 2013

And I'm the first one to say that I think some of the "outrage" expressed here on DU is OTT, silly and "manufactured" offense. This isn't one of those times, though.

I think the language of that article cited in the OP is just crass and offensive. I don't think this kind of shit has any place on a progressive message board, even in a lame effort to try (fail, but try) to make a -- forgive the expression -- larger point.

TRP may have jumped the shark with this article....how can he top that kind of crap?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
85. "Jay Z sings these lyrics he's the devil incarnate." NAIL MEET HAMMER
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 08:02 PM
Jun 2013

I didn't read the OP because I've never enjoyed the Rude Pundit. But this is some absolute garbage. And -- SHOCKINGLY!!-- the recs keep piling up.

Wonder if anyone alerted on this?

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
42. I guess
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jun 2013

I still don't understand a couple things.

Who has the absolute facts that all this surveillance is happening to "everyone" on "everything"? I have not seen the authoritative person that I absolutely believe that this is happening.

What is the solution? No one has a solution. It sounds to me like the solution I am imagining from everyone who is so hopped up about all this is to just abolish surveillance. Then what. Or if we continue to do surveillance, who is going to oversee it? FISA? Edward Snowden? Glenn Greewald?

And if we do not do surveillance and, like my examples I have given before, the Sears Tower gets blown up, who takes the blame?

And, one more thing. If it turns out we do need surveillance, we need to get those bottom feeding, mercenary scum out of the business. They sell to the highest bidder, and at some point it will be to the "other guy". Like Edward Snowden, unprincipled bottom feeder along with Glenn Greenwald. No moral compass, no patriotism. No big cocks, just little dickheads.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
50. "And if we do not do surveillance and, like my examples I have given before,
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:16 PM
Jun 2013

...the Sears Tower gets blown up, who takes the blame?"

I'm going to say "the people who did it."

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
51. I would agree with you on that.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:25 PM
Jun 2013

But, and this is a big but, the public would blame Pres Obama for not knowing advance that this was going to happen. "if we had been doing surveillance, we would have stopped this."

So you are of the opinion that we should not do surveillance? And I am not being judgmental here, kind of a unofficial poll. The reason I ask is that no one has come up to the plate with a solution.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
64. I think going back to pre 2001 levels would be a good start.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jun 2013

It worked just fine against the Soviet Union.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
72. It seem to me
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 05:15 PM
Jun 2013

that spying, or security, or surveillance has been going on for a long time. Every time something bad happens, "More Spying". I think just pre 2001 levels, we had already evolved to a point where it was intrusive. It was intrusive in the VietNam war era. It was intrusive during Martin Luther King and McCarthy. And even further back. It is almost as if it needs be abandoned altogether. Someone, somewhere in a recent post said that the founding fathers started the country with freedom in mind and that freedom came with the cost of things happening bad to the citizens by outside agents and not inside agents.

Romulus Quirinus

(524 posts)
123. True enough.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 03:24 PM
Jun 2013

Last edited Sat Jun 15, 2013, 05:33 PM - Edit history (1)

I understand where you're coming from. I don't think that is a profitable way to plan, though.

It's a bit like the old days where people told domestic abuse victims that they should change their behaviour so that they are beaten less. Perhaps it's possible to improve some aspects of life by not antagonizing the abuser, but it isn't the right or just thing to do. I suppose it depends on what metric we use: is being beaten less good enough for us?

BUT, on the other hand, it would demonstrate that reverse growth is possible. As far as I know, the intelligence establishment has never had a sustained period of budget cuts, and demonstrating that it is possible would shift the conversation on what is possible substantially.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
55. Nah, just engaged in blasphemy.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:32 PM
Jun 2013

They stone you for that in some places. Hell, they already turned Alan Grayson into a rock pile.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
56. fuck you rude. you went at this with a bit too much relish and zest for detail
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:35 PM
Jun 2013

and it wasn't even effective.

and no, I'm clearly not easily offended.

 

Demit

(11,238 posts)
63. Well, he usually does it with homosexual imagery.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 03:56 PM
Jun 2013

I've been reading him for years & the imagery gets pretty rough. For a long time he had an ongoing riff on Cheney & his male sex slave in the basement and yes, he does seem to relish the sexual details. Not my cup of tea either, so I skim thru when it gets too bad, and just get to the point he's making.

JackHughes

(166 posts)
70. "Spying" versus "collating"
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:37 PM
Jun 2013

A couple of points worth considering:

It's not like the government is eavesdropping on everyone's private conversations. Incoming and outgoing calls are being logged to collate possible connections with terrorist organizations or foreign intelligence services. It should be noted that since the 1980s every overseas call to and from the US has been monitored by computers to flag keywords like "bomb" and "nuclear." This is nothing new.

The deprivation of 4th Amendment liberties has been much more widespread and "up close and personal" -- and with much more direct impact on people's lives and freedoms -- by local, state and federal cops in pursuit of the so-called "war on drugs."

secondvariety

(1,245 posts)
77. Who knows what they're doing?
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:06 PM
Jun 2013

It's a secret, remember? I've said it before-there's no way on Earth someone can collect the traffic records of hundreds of millions of daily phone calls and collate it to a terrorist act. It's merely an excuse for the NSA and it's ilk to get a data base of American citizens' telephone and internet use and probably not for benevolent reasons.

And no, I'm not any more paranoid than most folks-it just stinks and it's not something I expect my Government to do.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
78. Guessing there was a point to this. It might even have been a good one
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:22 PM
Jun 2013

but I couldn't get through the second paragraph to find out.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
83. I don't consider myself a prude at all but
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:47 PM
Jun 2013

I found that difficult to read. I am not complaining about it. I actually think I would agree with the intent just saying I (and no doubt some others) find such language a bit distasteful. To each their own.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
89. here at du all of the apologists are not the liberals. they are the
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 09:11 PM
Jun 2013

third way losers who also cheered for heritage care and ss cuts and will soon be clapping for the keystone xl. Such people are not liberals, in fact they hate liberals as much as Fox nation does.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,450 posts)
91. Let's have the debate
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 09:33 PM
Jun 2013

we should have had in 2001, 2005, 2007, etc. and then let's decide what we're willing to live with for a safe and free society. I'm simply not getting the vapors over this that some other people are getting over this because at the end of the day, what has been implemented was AFAIK legalized, which, of course, doesn't necessarily make it *right* but instead of lionizing the leaker in this matter (funny how some people complain about people blindly worshipping President Obama but treating Snowden like he's a hero in all of this) why aren't the people upset/opposed to this pushing for Congress to change the laws, put in more safeguards, dismantle some of the "security state" that Bush/Cheney built up in response to 9/11.

polynomial

(750 posts)
97. Secrets need to have a sunset
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 11:45 PM
Jun 2013

From my view that narrative was far too sophisticated for a thirteen year old. Likely we have an older gay closet size queen, lighting the flame for controversial action on the blog. Or, a right wing log cabin type abscessed with vaginal probing. Now that said with a laugh and a chuckle however, this notion of saving America through national security is turning into a “WTF” moment.

One thing that jumps out at me is the idea that a person with a GED at least has the sense or more moral sense than many sophisticated college graduates he might be surrounded with. Snowden at least likely figured a huge list of creeps at the Booz Allen Hamilton Company likely committed some kind of crime. Identity theft or Guerrilla marketing concepts are a heavenly play ground to a former Public Relation or marketing type. Especially getting to do it in secret and get paid for it.

The special caveat here is doing things secretly in the name of national security and get big money for it. That is the kicker, getting big money to essentially frisk everyone they pull from the telephone data banks. Worse are the telephone companies likely have been doing this for a long time.

Just now we have this identity theft stuff surrounding us. With that as a basis for a debate Snowden brought forward a huge corrupted theater in our government that Congressional and Senators are just used to do as routine because the middle class and the poor are opening debate to challenge the issue. Hugely more fun to talk about then gays, abortion, or guns, or unions. Of course Congressional persons should worry for many did participate in programs that went wrong.

Some say this market is worth hundreds of billions dollars in a market that is secret, and is considered just the tip of the ice berg. Ladies and Gentleman of America we are not in a free market with this type of corruption going on unchecked. Snowden is not only a hero; he is a gift to society that is showing all of us what the future is going to be with its new consciousness for having the courage to come forward with this crime of the time.

He is the ultimate Mr. Spock the one sacrificing himself for the many. Or, Snowden is the ultimate Judeo-Christian willing to be crucified, even scaring the hell out of the progressives that have faith. Think about it Mr. Snowden could be a miracle, though he seems a simple type. Or, the man type “Joan of Arc” burned by the very Constitution that brings him to this earth.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
101. The Rude One knocks it out of the park again.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:12 AM
Jun 2013

This:

"See, if Snowden is a misfit toy crossed with Rain Man, how the fuck did he get such a high security clearance? If he was such a loose cannon-in-waiting, why didn't the intelligence apparatus see that in him and not give him the ability to deal with Top Secret material? How good is an intelligence organization that can't successfully vet its workers?"

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
102. Thank you, my dear Rudeness
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 01:13 AM
Jun 2013

I've been feeling a little weird in the last few days with DU fighting (fighting!!??!!!) about this. The Rudester, as per usual, gets it and gives it to us in the basest way possible.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
122. Nasty sex-as-violence joke.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:02 PM
Jun 2013

Go ahead and tell me I don't get it, I'm missing the point, blah, blah blah. When a writer uses that kind of imagery, whether or not he made up the joke himself, whether or not he claims to think it's funny, it obliterates any other point that's trying to be made. He might as well have referenced a Holocaust "ovens" joke.

Nine

(1,741 posts)
127. That's not a sex joke. It's closer to a rape joke.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 09:32 PM
Jun 2013

There doesn't need to be a competition to see whether rape jokes or holocaust jokes are more disgusting. I think they both qualify for maximum offensiveness.

She gets on the bed and tells him, "Put it in halfway first so I can get used to it." Fuck that, the dude thinks, I'm gonna shove it all in and kill this old lady. So he thrusts it all in, quickly.


If you can't see why the misogyny and violence oozing from those sentences overshadows any other point in the story... I don't even know how to end this sentence. The ugliness of that image should speak for itself.

RetroLounge

(37,250 posts)
129. *you* can think what you like
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jun 2013

But thank you for reposting part of the joke, I was glad to laugh again, once at the joke, and once at you.





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