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Last edited Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)
These are the things we have learned to day about how members of Senator Jeff Flake's family talk and feel about minorities. Gay people are "fa**ots, Mexicans are the scum of the Earth and Black people should be killed. Welcome to Arizona.
Arizona Senators Son Used Homophobic, Anti-Semitic Language On Twitter
Sen. Jeff Flakes high schoolaged son Tanner used Twitter to threaten the faggot who stole his bike that he will find you, and
will beat the crap out of you, joked about an acquaintance stealing one-liners because hes Jewish, and went by the name n1ggerkiller in an online game.
Im very disappointed in my teenage sons words, and I sincerely apologize for the insensitivity. This language is unacceptable, anywhere. Needless to say, Ive already spoken with him about this, he has apologized, and I apologize as well, Sen. Flake said in a statement to BuzzFeed.
Although Tanner has since locked his Twitter account, a series of tweets from January and February show the Arizona Republicans son repeatedly using the slurs.
Additionally, Flake posted screenshots of scores from games on Fun Run, a social gaming app. The screenshots show that Flake goes by the name of n1ggerkiller.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/johnstanton/arizona-senators-son-used-homophobic-anti-semetic-language-o
There is more at the link but I can paraphrase...he calls Mexicans "scum of the Earth" and it appears that in the Flake household the words "Ni**er" and "Fa**ot" get used a lot.
Let's help get this story in the news, DU. It seems like MSNBC is taking all their news from DU's Greatest Page lately.
I think it is simply a case of the nut not falling far from the tree. The nut just hasn't been taught you can't say those things in public... just to your friends and the people buying your father's senate seat for him.
JI7
(89,281 posts)the son of a republican congressman ?
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)His son apologized for his behavior to his dad and that settles it? Lol...he probably apologized for saying it in public. Not for saying it.
Hekate
(90,939 posts)... would never be revealed as me, thus embarrassing the crap out of you for revealing how we talk at home. Sorry."
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Parents have negligible effect on their children, science shows... compared to genes and the environment in which the children grow up in. The most obvious example of this is children born here of immigrants do not speak with the accent of their parents but of their peers.
We should let the South secede!....oh wait! AZ.... Never mind.... (Just thought I'd get the South bashing in early)
Orsino
(37,428 posts)...or his father wouldn't be trying to do it for him.
we live in AZ and call him Flaky Flake . Sun here fries their brains .
TxDemChem
(1,918 posts)And if I remember correctly, his son has been with his partner for something like 7-10 years. So sad.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)I feel sorry for people like this little boy. Racism is trained mental disorder with no known cure
Auggie
(31,222 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)In fact, not one word. How weird. http://www.prescottaz.com/
I'm sure they'll have an article on him...the next time he comes out to hold hands with his rich teaper friends. Maybe he'll bring along his wonderful children so they can see what 'Everyone's Hometown' looks like. White, rich, old and angry!! They can drive around and look at all the torn, tattered and weather beaten flags these 'patriots' have hanging in their yards. They can stand in awe of those 'good Americans' that fly those old flags upside down. They can share a laugh at some of the racist and disgusting bumper stickers plastered on the backs of pickup trucks. Maybe they can attend the funeral of the young veteran that was just shot and killed by his own 4 year old child. If they play their cards right, they could probably have tea with the disgraced biker cops that beat the crap out of some kid in a bar. I'm sure they'd be glad to share some good old fashioned racist humor with the boys!
There are so many things for a young, racist, bigoted asshole to do here.
existentialist
(2,190 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Lovely spawn the flake is raising. I'm certain the flake is bursting with pride.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)nut turd....both fit.
FSogol
(45,571 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)atreides1
(16,100 posts)Does Booz Allen Hamilton have ahistory of hiring bigots? You seem to think they do...better yet which relative of a member of Congress works for BAH?
Or don't you know that either?
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)on a visit to a defense contractor.
http://willseberger.photoshelter.com/image/I0000fdcnV7rBRFo
zeeland
(247 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)That actor is good. He's been able to firmly cement an image of a snotty smarmy spoiled brat pretty well.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)kiva
(4,373 posts)He does!
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Words fail me.
msongs
(67,470 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,823 posts)and possibly mental issues to boot.
Better keep close tabs on that asshole, for the public's health and safety.
johnnyreb
(915 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)These guys are paid just for being alive.
This is the patrician or patronage system, not the merit system that allows social mobility and drives creativity and innovation.
They add nothing to the world, just feed off of all of us. Bunch of parasites.
liberalla
(9,273 posts)Looks like a fun adventure for them. Perfect for teaching those boys how to respect the planet and people who are not exactly like themselves.
Edit: Just adding video here...
and photos...
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Seems like his piece of shit son did not fall far from the tree.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Because it sure the heck should be!
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)won't even say "the n word" or show that he is using very nasty language that most Americans never use.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)My professor, who specializes in psychology and feminist studies, was interviewed for a story on menstruation and was instructed that she could not use the term "vagina" in the article.
This state is a political and social cesspool.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)It is Arizona after all. Where men are men, and apparently, women's special lady parts are feared.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)nt
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Merry Christmas, Kids!
KarenS
(4,089 posts)This is the second news story of the day about Arizona Congresspeople.
Honestly ~ We're not all like that here!!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)How can you be that close to California and not have some of it rub off on you??
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)KarenS
(4,089 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 13, 2013, 10:33 AM - Edit history (2)
My husband is Hispanic (not Mexican), my dad is black I have gay friends and relatives,and I have Jewish friends**, so I'd like to give a big FUCK YOU to Flake. I've no doubt where that little brat learned that.
***I won't edit out calling him a brat. That's not making fun of the kid, that's a fact.
****edited because I left out some people.
**I also have friends and relative that are a combination of the above so for that a double FUCK YOU to Flake!
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)They learn that type of hate at home. So, that says all that needs to be said about that senator. That means the kid was raised that way. It should be considered child abuse to teach a kid hate like that.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I'm a teacher and I know us ripping the kid apart does nobody, especially him, any good.
Plus I really hate it when kids get dragged through the mud because their parents are famous.
dothemath
(345 posts)He didn't 'get dragged through the mud because his parent is famous'. He got his '15 minutes' because he is foul-mouthed, homophobic punk.
Behind the Aegis
(54,037 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)so sorry. Please see my update.
Hope all is well with you!
Behind the Aegis
(54,037 posts)I saw the update!
I hope you are doing well too. Haven't seen or heard from you in a month of Sundays, but if like me, you have been mad busy and getting a serious ass-kicking from allergies...
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)I have always said that behind every (mostly) asshole Jr. is an asshole Sr.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)that my post not be used to be bashing some teenager. I'm OK for bashing his dad, his dad's parenting skills and the words themselves but this young man needs to learn from this, not be damaged for it.
If you want to bash the kid, please start your own post.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)unless we have dad's account where he says it, the kid needs to own it....your statement makes no sense....
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)or bully him. This is about his father not doing a better job raising his kid...not about a bunch of adults tearing a 15 year old apart for being ignorant.
newmember
(805 posts)find a quote by the father saying the same damn thing
then all should fall on the son ...not the parents
Ratty
(2,100 posts)They make me ashamed of myself when I was 15. They are socially conscious, understand equality, are vocal about it, and work a damn sight harder toward those goals than most adults I know. This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. Youth today have the internet, they have every chance in the world to understand what's going on out in the world. That this reprobate and evolutionary throwback continues to spout these antiquated slurs speaks volumes about the world he lives in, who he associates with, his home environment, and the racist bubble he inhabits. That his father's "family values" have spawned this is I think fair game.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)Little flake was trained by Big Flake and the company BF kept. BF bears the brunt of the blame, so hard kick to the nuts for him.
Yet, LF hasn't lived in a bubble and at mid teen years is accountable in court, so sort of hard kick to the nuts for him.
And let us not forget, all of LF genetic material came from 2 republicans, He ability to make rational decisions is in question.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)we have to start holding people accountable. its making our culture sick.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)But I was starting to see some more personal attacks and he's just a kid. His words, I figure, are bad enough and we can talk about those without talking about his looks or his personality.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)He's old enough to bully others
He knows what he is doing
He deserves no consideration
Little psychopath needs to be locked up
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)that this pop-up shame culture can get out of hand quickly, and it doesn't serve much constructive purpose. With all the falling fruit, nuts and fecal matter, it's no wonder the Founders wrote into the Constitution a very old civil rights protection: "No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed." Article I, Sec. 9.
At least the signers didn't want Congress involved in the business of punishment due to "corruption of blood" (Webster's Collegiate).
Edit to add: See the link in #36. What would a psychologist make of this?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)'kid' knew exactly what damage he was doing with his use of these words. Oh, poor ignorant kid doesn't know any better. The kid is going to be a problem unless he has an enlightened moment that will change his attitude about brown people and LGBT people.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)but I did edit my comment. It's your thread.
DFW
(54,465 posts)I refuse to be fooled by this farce. The Flake of a kid was raised by his Flake of a father, and two Flakes make exactly what this kid was spewing forth. The kid didn't learn his attitudes from watching Sesame Street.
newmember
(805 posts)It's not always the parents fault.
I could walk you through a youth detention center , then
show you the parents of some of the kids there.
Most parents try but some kids are just shit heads....no mater what
DFW
(54,465 posts)But this is the son of a U.S. Senator, not gang member from South Boston. This father obviously had the means to engage his son while growing up. This is the result.
Robb
(39,665 posts)....so he can't be all bad, right?
7962
(11,841 posts)Examples of great kids with shitty parents and vice versa. Its easy to blame Flunk for his kids words.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)is even worse!
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and sister Corn Flake?
Initech
(100,121 posts)And now that the kids are at that stage where they're about to leave the nest, as they get exposed to vulgar content they don't know how to handle it. Believe me I know the type.
malaise
(269,245 posts)Bet the house on that
reformist2
(9,841 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)parents included. He learned this language and attitude at his father's knee.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)n/t
kidgie
(20 posts)Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)soon.
CPS anyone?
mimi85
(1,805 posts)he'll end up in the news for something far worse than name calling. Scary.
LuvLoogie
(7,064 posts)Flake--Im very disappointed in my teenage sons words, and I sincerely apologize for the insensitivity. This language is unacceptable, anywhere."
--The attitude and philosophy that incubate my son's world view, however, are perfectly acceptable.
thesquanderer
(11,998 posts)They think this is about poor choice of words??
This is about despicable character.
How about apologizing for raising an a**hole?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)with the flakes if the son of some black congressperson used it as their nick.
it goes well beyond 'insensitive'.
interesting background:
Flake was born in Snowflake, Arizona, the son of Nerita (née Hock) and Dean Maeser Flake.[1] His birth town was named in part for his great-great-grandfather, Mormon pioneer William J. Flake.[2] Flake was educated at Brigham Young University and was a Mormon missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to South Africa in the early 1980s. He speaks Afrikaans. He worked in the public affairs sector after college and served as Executive Director of the Foundation for Democracy in Namibia and Executive Director of the Goldwater Institute before entering the House of Representatives. He opposed economic sanctions on South Africa in the 1980s.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Flake
"connected"
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Foundation for Democracy in Namibia
The story begins in 1989, as Namibia was on the cusp of independence. Flake, then the executive director of a group called the Foundation for Democracy in Namibia, moved there to monitor the fledgling nations transition away from South African apartheid rule. On the House floor in 2004, he described that experience as the rare chance to see a country draft its first constitution and actually look to the future with hope and optimism.
He came back to Washington in 1990 and launched a consulting firm, Interface Public Affairs; he signed up the Rossing uranium mine, one of the new nations economic drivers, as a client. As its advocate in Washington, Flake undertook to help introduce the corporation and its citizenship activities, according to Justice Department records, and to promote the image of the client.
Rossing had a controversial history. The company had operated the Namibian mine since the 1970s. Anti-apartheid and antinuclear protesters had long criticized its operations. And a 1982 report from the United Nations Council for Namibia described brutal and unsafe conditions for workers there, and said that whites and blacks were treated differently. Rossing can guarantee its mine a plentiful supply of cheap labor because it takes advantage of the apartheid system, the report said.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)the ownership of rossing is also interesting:
http://tucsoncitizen.com/baja-democrats/2012/04/20/jeff-flakes-lobbyist-past-comes-back-to-haunt-him/
rio tinto was founded with opium money (jardine-matheson) & was taken over by a rothschild-led group of financiers in the 1880s. rothschild deeply involved in south african mining & still is; not sure the depth of involvement with rio tinto today but likely there is still some e.g.:
http://www.minesandcommunities.org/article.php?a=4
wryter2000
(46,122 posts)That's disgusting.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)immigration bill. Di Fi and other 'Moderate Democrats' explained that they had to respect the views of Flake and other Republicans about minorities if they wanted to get things done in DC.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Flake was born in Snowflake, Arizona, the son of Nerita (née Hock) and Dean Maeser Flake. His birth town was named in part for his great-great-grandfather, Mormon pioneer William J. Flake. Flake was educated at Brigham Young University and was a Mormon missionary for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to South Africa in the early 1980s. He speaks Afrikaans. He worked in the public affairs sector after college and served as Executive Director of the Foundation for Democracy in Namibia and Executive Director of the Goldwater Institute before entering the House of Representatives. He opposed economic sanctions on South Africa in the 1980s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Flake
grandpa was out of carolina/mississippi. flake's history in south africa & namibia during apartheid is suggestive.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)hate and they did with the immigration bill and as their proponents did afterward here on DU. It's really extreme racism and just last week I was told how we have to respect him and not upset his 'values' so that bill can pass...
BVictor1
(229 posts)Great parenting.
No wonder this country is going to hell and a hand basket.
mnhtnbb
(31,410 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)If Mom and/or Dad regularly exhibit hate when the family are together, the kids will usually imitate them. That's what kids do. Mom and/or Dad really don't have to put any conscious effort into it at all.
mnhtnbb
(31,410 posts)You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,
It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!
http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/southpacific/youvegottobecarefullytaught.htm
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)Rather than forcing racists to apologize for expressing their true feelings, and having them pretend they are not racists. I would rather have them be able to say exact what they feel. I want to know exactly who they really are, instead of mistaking them for rational thinking people.
azbillyboy
(56 posts)Jeffrey is a member of the church of the talking lizard aka the LSD aka the LDS aka the morons:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Flake
Sorry. It reminds me of when that polygamist asswipe Evan Mecham was governor. Words like those used by the Flake-ette (or "baby Flake" became all too fucking common
As to the "talking lizard" remark, I was so amazed this was never mentioned during the Romney trudge to the White House:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salamander_letter
"According to this letter, when Smith dug up the plates a "salamander" appeared, which transformed itself into a spirit that refused to give Smith the plates unless his brother Alvin Smith was also present. This would have been very difficult, as Alvin was dead at the time of the alleged appearance. This reference may have been an attempt by Hofmann to associate the recovery of the gold plates to a rumor that Alvin's grave was dug up by Smith's family to use Alvin's remains in a magical ceremony."
Once again I must apologize to the world for the behavior of the tumbleweeds and trash that have drifted into this otherwise beautiful state.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Of course, we know exactly where he learned it. But he's apologized to somebody (not sure who), so it's ok. His Dad has apologized too so that proves he's not a racist, right?
I can't prove it, but I feel like the apology by Senator Flake is made with a wink. This issue will be brought up at election time, and hopefully it'll influence some decent folks to vote against him. But there are plenty of people out there that will see this as a good reason to vote FOR him.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)And like the rest of the adults in his life, friends, family and political acquaintances of his father. That's where he's picking this up. The Klan took off their sheets and joined the GOP.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)a wholesome, Christian family.
a good Mor(m)on family.
Isn't that a wholesome Mor(m)on family.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... of their name ("Mitt" for example), but any kid who has the name of "Tanner" is probably going to have some issues as they grow up and unfortunately become adults in our society. (Apologies to anyone who overcame that name.)
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)DCKit
(18,541 posts)titanicdave
(429 posts)thought that Kyl was a first class asshole.......now another repukelican senator has a family member using despicable terms like this.....and this is his teen age son......the son did not just pick these terms from thin air.....it appears that this rotten apple did not fall far from the tree at all......this kind of crap along with Brewer, McCain, "Sheriff Joe" and the rest keep me from stepping foot in Arizona even though I have relatives there.......the one redeeming grace is Gabby Giffords, ......God Bless Her.....
calimary
(81,558 posts)That kid evidently heard the toxic talk in a laissez-faire environment, where it wasn't an outrage, wasn't objected to, wasn't corrected, no penalties imposed for having done so, no effort to discourage. Something he was used to hearing, perhaps? Seems as though the kid learned to be comfortable with it. Perhaps it occurred a LOT in that household. Just speculation, mind you.
But it seems to me when you use offensive terms so flagrantly (it's one of the names he uses in his frickin' games??????), either you're accustomed to hearing it around you that you're inured to it and you're used to not giving it a second thought, or you're just an asshole who likes to stir things up and you're going for shock value. Either way, it's indicative of how he was brought up, at least to me.
AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)Must have learned it as a young age. Hate is always passed on from one generation to the next.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)My brother and I both served with "n1ggers" and "faggots" during wartime and I'm 59 and my brother is older so those folk I mentioned are older too. As we both still have contact with one or more we can get permission to release their addresses in case you would like to go and discuss your vocabulary with them. My brother's were 101st Airborne "n1ggers" and "faggots". Mine are only 4th Infantry Div. "n1ggers" and "faggots" By all means bring Dad. I should mention these are some baaad motherfucking "n1ggers" and "faggots" and may not be so easily killed by a prepubescent asshole and his peckerwood white trash cracker father. In white solidarity, Cat.
(My white solidarity only includes the sane, dipshit)
Edited to clear typos and an anger fueled redundancy.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)his father was a Mormon missionary to South Africa and speaks Afrikaans. He opposed economic sanctions being opposed over apartheid.
Edited typo
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Jeff must have watched too much ALF when he was younger.
mimi85
(1,805 posts)to go along with Trig, Track and Tripp. Too tired to search, time for bed, but I'm sure this has been on here somewhere. What's with these wing nuts?! Although I can't get too worked up about a name (except for Levi's choice - see below). When Frank Zappa named his kids it didn't bother me at all, so I really don't want to be hypocritical about names.
Levi Johnson plans to name his newborn daughter after a gun
By DAILY MAIL REPORTER
PUBLISHED: 17:45 EST, 1 May 2012 | UPDATED: 17:45 EST, 1 May 2012
Levi Johnson, the father of Sarah Palin's grandson, plans to name his new daughter after a gun.
Jonson, 21, will call his second child Breeze Beretta Johnson. Her middle name is inspired by the Italian firearms manufacturer Beretta.
He and his new girlfriend, Sunny Oglesby, are expecting after Sunny forgot to bring her birth control during a weekend escape to a hunting cabin.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Bad boy! You made a PR blunder!
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)(For those whom have a father/father figure in the home).
Yavin4
(35,453 posts)These people hold office. This kid learned this from his family.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)How does it feel to blow your families life up?
Is your father happy?
Is your mother proud?
Considering your father will soon be unemployed and spending a lot more time at home, perhaps you can play online games together.
Cha
(297,911 posts)his racist, homophobic spew.. but, Tanner has been doing this "since January"?
the little bugger has been getting away with for awhile and Flake had no idea?
Thanks DonRedwood~
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)very telling
Cha
(297,911 posts)hunter
(38,339 posts)Little dear "said" the wrong thing.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)It becomes a habit that can pop out when you are not on your guard. It is far better never to say those kinds of awful things or even think in those terms. It is crass and shameful.
But better for us to know what kind of person this man's son is. Wonder where he learned that kind of talk? It is telling.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)I was trying to put the responsibility of the racist bs on the shoulders of the kid because he is his own entity. That being said, Tanner, seems to have a pervasive attitude that racist speak is alright and being a racist is part and parcel of his character. He appears to write, speak and think in these attitudes. He either has some very ignorant, low grade, peers, from whom he learned this attitude or it was passed on through his family.
All these kind of people regret is being exposed.
The apologies are for using the words, themselves, and not the uneducated defective character and attitude.
I hope the kid can change and wants to. But I suspect he is imprinted with a sick and wrong attitudes for life. He probably only feels resentment at getting in trouble for it.
JohnnyRingo
(18,672 posts)Flake did the right thing to publicly appologize and offer to set the boy right. The kid is old enough to make his own decisions and should be personally held responsible by his family.
Having said that, Jeff Flake is a total ass on his own account. Having a dick for a son doesn't augment that.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)right wing hater which is exactly what he raised.
JohnnyRingo
(18,672 posts)I'd hate to believe that Jesse Jackson Jr learned mail and wire fraud from his dad, and I wouldn't want to think Al Gore taught his 13 year old son how to smoke weed. I don't want to blame the late John Murtha for passing on the finer points of cocaine sales to his then teenage son, and Democrat Jim Moran hopefully didn't instruct his son how to smash his girfriend's head into a trash can.
Like everybody, I have friends who are good people with kids who do bad. Never once have I chastised a friend for how their child turned out. If only we had such influence to clone our kids in our image, but by the time a child enters his or her teen years they make their own decisions.
Flake's kid had the same chance to form his own personality traits, for better or worse. Some of the best and brightest come from bad family environments, and vice versa.
I'll give Jeff Flake credit for not using mealy-mouthed words like "if someone was offended" or "if these charges are true" in his seemingly sincere apology, but I'll not give a pass to Jeff Flake's personal voting record. Like the media in general, I'll avoid judgment based on his offspring and focus on the man himself.
As a sad aside, it appears to me that Flake's son could now be a shoe-in as a future Tea Party candidate.
mountain grammy
(26,663 posts)Last edited Thu Jun 13, 2013, 11:50 PM - Edit history (1)
and a Republican and I believe his son learned his racism at his daddy's knee because every teabagger and almost every Republican I know is a racist. That's not partisan, that's facts. Watch Fox news, listen to right wing radio. These people are what they are and Jeff Flake is one of their newest golden boys.
Another thing: the Jeff Flakes of the world and Republicans in general claim to be the best "Christians" and have the monopoly on "family values." Most of the Democrats you cite are not trying to shove phony values and religion down everyone else's throats like our "good Christian" Republicans often do. Possibly, that's why there is less judgment of someone who is less judgmental of others.
Judge not lest ye be judged, or something like that. And yes, that goes for me too.
alp227
(32,070 posts)HA! Thom Hartmann gets a lot of his show material from the DU greatest page. Safe to say, MSNBC = DU-TV?
And it's sad how today's youth is embracing the skeletons in the closet of historical bigotry and openly, proudly doing so online. See publicshaming.tumblr.com for more examples.
Kennah
(14,349 posts)ElsewheresDaughter
(24,000 posts)perdita9
(1,144 posts)...and became the most unpopular politician in the country.
A well deserved title.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)...But suggesting that because the kid is a racist fuck, then the parents are as well is a bit misguided.
My family, for instance, is not racist. My youngest brother, however, is. Quite. I don't know where he gets it, but he is. He's also anti-Semitic. I don't understand it, as racist language was NEVER allowed in my house growing up, but somehow, my brother became an ignorant POS.
I'm not defending Flake, just injecting some perspective.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)CanonRay
(14,125 posts)A real mystery...
MADem
(135,425 posts)learn that shit in the schoolyard. He learned that shit in the home, from baby-hood.
I swear, when people finally get off their asses and start protesting against individual members of Congress, I hope the group protesting him holds up pictures of his shitty little kid and his rocket launcher and sings this song to him:
reflection
(6,286 posts)Who among us hasn't used the words fa**ot and ni**er at a greater frequency than 'the' and 'a', or gone by the nom de guerre 'N1GGERKILLER' when online? Let he among among who has not done this cast the first stone.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)"Son, we use these terms ,but make sure you never say it outside the home or online,Ok"
...."Sure dad"
...."Now I have to clean this up"
SpankMe
(2,972 posts)What bugs me is that we're not seeing one or two uses of these terms over long periods of time in fits of poor teen judgment. We're seeing persistent usage in developed thoughts over many different networks over long periods of time. This indicates a pretty firmly established belief system that looks to have been re-affirmed by his environment rather than refuted or "corrected" by an authority figure.
It's bullshit to say you can't blame the parent. This listing ship of racism was never righted by the parent. There's no way this kid could have gotten this far gone without a parent hearing about it and trying to fix it. The parents had to have known about this little fuckwad's positions on these matters and never applied any corrective thinking or guidance to him.
This is an indictment of Jeff Flake's family morality. This should be publicized far and wide.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)They see killing humans as sport. And they relish in their power. They get away with this as they own the media. Those who dare speak up for the prey are called weaklings. It's a culture they built to justify their acts.
Nac Mac Feegle
(972 posts)Having lived in Arizona for 30 years, I can say that this attitude is prevalent among the Republican types, and especially so among the Mormons. Remember where the money for California's Prop 8 came from. Having a teenager myself, I understand that this sort of crap leaks out from what's at home, if not explicitly, at least implicitly encouraged.
As the saying goes,you can't spell crazy without R-AZ.
If you can't be a role model, you can serve as a warning.
William769
(55,148 posts)Given what State he is from I didn't think this would happen. I atleast give the father credit for that.
ananda
(28,890 posts)..
GarH
(33 posts)I live in Tucson, Arizona and it's no surprise that Flakes son would make those type of comments.
azmom
(5,208 posts)is fucked up.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)Generally these kind of attitudes and behaviors are learned starting from an early age. They may or not be things he has experienced in his own family but perhaps in his immediate surroundings of friends, classmates, etc.
Bake
(21,977 posts)Bake
Nika
(546 posts)I'm sure Junior didn't fall far from the tree, and still means every word of what he wrote.
EC
(12,287 posts)I think Mr. Flake you are upset about the wrong things. It's your son's attitude that should embarrasse the hell outta you, not the language...but he got it from someone didn't he?
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)He talked to his son, and his son said...."I'm so very, very, very, very, very sorry. End of story.
It's not his fault he raised a bigoted anti-semitic loser. Oh wait....maybe it is.
Lebam in LA
(1,345 posts)no really, very proud. What a couple of... well you all know
47of74
(18,470 posts)Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)Sort of. The offensive words are old and still as offensive as ever. But if I had said stuff like that when I was a kid, my dad would have given a (deserved) swift kick in the ass and then he likely would have made me work with homeless or something. Seems like parents either can't or won't do stuff like that anymore. And while I am a non violent person, I think that maybe a good swift kick in the tail is needed here.