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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:18 PM Jun 2013

Bernie Sanders on Government Spying

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It is hard to be more clear on whether the government should or should not be collecting data on millions of US citizens. Bernie Sanders is unequivocally against it.

So for those who are recently sporting Bernie Sanders avatars but are known to regularly speak out against Progressives and for center-right positions at all times, please don't insult the rest of us by adopting Bernie Sanders avatars. Some of us generally respect the man and it is nauseating to his name dragged through the mud on posts that SUPPORT the spying.

Bernie never would do so and he would vomit if he knew that his image was, in any way, linked to those who do.
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Bernie Sanders on Government Spying (Original Post) Bonobo Jun 2013 OP
Sounds like Sanders sides with the evil-doers. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #1
WTF? xtraxritical Jun 2013 #17
Satire. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #18
Ah, it's been almost 50 years since I read that! xtraxritical Jun 2013 #21
That's My Senator... And I'm From California... WillyT Jun 2013 #2
I am sorry that one of your Senators is a blood drinking war profiteer. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #5
That's Why I Adopted Sanders... WillyT Jun 2013 #7
Certainly he did. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #8
Is this anything like deep throat??? Government secrets....the government knowing everything?? a kennedy Jun 2013 #3
I've been saying this all day... there shouldn't even be a database! reformist2 Jun 2013 #4
Defending it as being legal... Bonobo Jun 2013 #6
Silly person that will never happen ...oh wait ..uh lunasun Jun 2013 #16
I have never seen an issue that mick063 Jun 2013 #9
Agreed. Phlem Jun 2013 #10
So, what's he doing about it? brooklynite Jun 2013 #11
well the President seems Phlem Jun 2013 #13
When are we going to hear the first peep from all those right-wingers who hat big, intrusive govt? BlueStreak Jun 2013 #12
I KNEW IT! BERNIE SANDERS IS A REPUBLICAN PLANT!!1!!! Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #14
Oh, to have a few more... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #15
Clearly Osama had his way with us. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #19
K&R idwiyo Jun 2013 #20
 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
7. That's Why I Adopted Sanders...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:42 PM
Jun 2013

And I thought my Senators were Boxer and Feinstein.

Took Sanders over Feinstein.


a kennedy

(29,753 posts)
3. Is this anything like deep throat??? Government secrets....the government knowing everything??
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:25 PM
Jun 2013

Although more than 40 years have passed since W. Mark Felt (then known only as Deep Throat) spilled his secrets to Robert Woodward in a dark Washington carpark, he still remains the most famous whistleblower of all time. The details of the case are well known. For many years, the administration of Richard Nixon had been involved in illegal break-ins, covert operations, and campaign violations. But if it hadn’t been for Felt, these events may have remained secret forever. His inside information on the Watergate Scandal helped Robert Woodward and Carl Bernstein publish a series of damning articles in the Washington Post and indirectly led to the destruction of Richard Nixon’s presidency. But why did he do it? Associate Director of the FBI at the time, some have speculated that he was upset at being passed over for the Directorship after J.Edgar Hoover died, while others have claimed he was a profoundly moral man who felt he had a patriotic duty to expose the malfeasance of a corrupt Administration. Whatever his reasons, W. Mark Felt’s leaks did no less than change the way the American public viewed its most powerful institutions. From that time forward, the American people would no longer implicitly trust the president, and a deep culture of pessimism continues to surround almost every aspect of political life in the United States. All because W. Mark Felt told someone the truth.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
4. I've been saying this all day... there shouldn't even be a database!
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:26 PM
Jun 2013

The database itself, full of recorded phone calls and e-mails obtained without warrant, is a massive violation of the 4th Amendment.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
6. Defending it as being legal...
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:33 PM
Jun 2013

is akin to defending secret torture if the Congress were to decide that it was acceptable under certain situations for national security.

Imagine how preposterous that would be!

 

mick063

(2,424 posts)
9. I have never seen an issue that
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:50 PM
Jun 2013

clearly demonstrates our new big umbrella more than this one.

What happens when you welcome disenfranchised independents?

It appears to be a police state, an attorney general that invents new terms like "too big to prosecute", and a president that hires cabinet members from the robber baron pool.

Jeez I will be happy when the Tea Party dies so that these new center right Democrats can find a rightful home again.

Any more new folks looking to Coopt the party of FDR?

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
10. Agreed.
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:20 PM
Jun 2013

I became an independent because of all the things the Democratic party suddenly stood for. It's moved to the right and you can tell by some of the posts you read here.

I've also experienced a backlash and the stereo type of being a "clueless independent".

Things have gotten really crazy and upside down.

I wonder where it is all leading.

-p

brooklynite

(94,911 posts)
11. So, what's he doing about it?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:34 PM
Jun 2013

Other than TV interviews? Is he introducing legislation to reform or replace the current policy? Or just pontificating?

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
13. well the President seems
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jun 2013

to fall on the "Obstructionist" crutch often, Bernie isn't afforded any leeway?

At least he's trying to call a pile of shit for what it is.

-p

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
12. When are we going to hear the first peep from all those right-wingers who hat big, intrusive govt?
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:38 PM
Jun 2013

What is staggering about these revelations is their scope. Anybody who has been paying any attention should have at least an inkling that "things" were going on here. But nobody had any reason to believe that it had taken on the vast scale that we now witness.

Remember, a lot of this funding is dark budgets that most Congressmen and Senators can never see. It is surely tens of billions of dollars a year, if not hundreds of billions, going into the accumulation of this massive dossier on every person in this country. Just look at all the buildings under construction to house that data. It is mind boggling that a country would spend its resources on this when there are so many really important unmet needs in this country.

But I have yet to hear a single right-winger criticize this on the basis of the size of government and its cost. A few like Beck have made the usual paranoia arguments. But the scale of this is the real issue.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
14. I KNEW IT! BERNIE SANDERS IS A REPUBLICAN PLANT!!1!!!
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 11:51 PM
Jun 2013

He's just been lying in wait for the last 25 years for his moment to spring!




















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