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#at=22It is hard to be more clear on whether the government should or should not be collecting data on millions of US citizens. Bernie Sanders is unequivocally against it.
So for those who are recently sporting Bernie Sanders avatars but are known to regularly speak out against Progressives and for center-right positions at all times, please don't insult the rest of us by adopting Bernie Sanders avatars. Some of us generally respect the man and it is nauseating to his name dragged through the mud on posts that SUPPORT the spying.
Bernie never would do so and he would vomit if he knew that his image was, in any way, linked to those who do.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Maybe we should send him to Room 101.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Room 101 is where they sent evildoers in the novel 1984.
xtraxritical
(3,576 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)& Rec !!!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)And I thought my Senators were Boxer and Feinstein.
Took Sanders over Feinstein.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)CA is a dark blue state. Democrats need to end her career.
a kennedy
(29,753 posts)Although more than 40 years have passed since W. Mark Felt (then known only as Deep Throat) spilled his secrets to Robert Woodward in a dark Washington carpark, he still remains the most famous whistleblower of all time. The details of the case are well known. For many years, the administration of Richard Nixon had been involved in illegal break-ins, covert operations, and campaign violations. But if it hadnt been for Felt, these events may have remained secret forever. His inside information on the Watergate Scandal helped Robert Woodward and Carl Bernstein publish a series of damning articles in the Washington Post and indirectly led to the destruction of Richard Nixons presidency. But why did he do it? Associate Director of the FBI at the time, some have speculated that he was upset at being passed over for the Directorship after J.Edgar Hoover died, while others have claimed he was a profoundly moral man who felt he had a patriotic duty to expose the malfeasance of a corrupt Administration. Whatever his reasons, W. Mark Felts leaks did no less than change the way the American public viewed its most powerful institutions. From that time forward, the American people would no longer implicitly trust the president, and a deep culture of pessimism continues to surround almost every aspect of political life in the United States. All because W. Mark Felt told someone the truth.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)The database itself, full of recorded phone calls and e-mails obtained without warrant, is a massive violation of the 4th Amendment.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)is akin to defending secret torture if the Congress were to decide that it was acceptable under certain situations for national security.
Imagine how preposterous that would be!
lunasun
(21,646 posts)mick063
(2,424 posts)clearly demonstrates our new big umbrella more than this one.
What happens when you welcome disenfranchised independents?
It appears to be a police state, an attorney general that invents new terms like "too big to prosecute", and a president that hires cabinet members from the robber baron pool.
Jeez I will be happy when the Tea Party dies so that these new center right Democrats can find a rightful home again.
Any more new folks looking to Coopt the party of FDR?
I became an independent because of all the things the Democratic party suddenly stood for. It's moved to the right and you can tell by some of the posts you read here.
I've also experienced a backlash and the stereo type of being a "clueless independent".
Things have gotten really crazy and upside down.
I wonder where it is all leading.
-p
brooklynite
(94,911 posts)Other than TV interviews? Is he introducing legislation to reform or replace the current policy? Or just pontificating?
Phlem
(6,323 posts)to fall on the "Obstructionist" crutch often, Bernie isn't afforded any leeway?
At least he's trying to call a pile of shit for what it is.
-p
BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)What is staggering about these revelations is their scope. Anybody who has been paying any attention should have at least an inkling that "things" were going on here. But nobody had any reason to believe that it had taken on the vast scale that we now witness.
Remember, a lot of this funding is dark budgets that most Congressmen and Senators can never see. It is surely tens of billions of dollars a year, if not hundreds of billions, going into the accumulation of this massive dossier on every person in this country. Just look at all the buildings under construction to house that data. It is mind boggling that a country would spend its resources on this when there are so many really important unmet needs in this country.
But I have yet to hear a single right-winger criticize this on the basis of the size of government and its cost. A few like Beck have made the usual paranoia arguments. But the scale of this is the real issue.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)He's just been lying in wait for the last 25 years for his moment to spring!
Yes, that was
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Sanders and Graysons in congress.