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Honestly, the rush to judgement is getting to be almost lemming-like. Since we know that the corporate media has it in for Obama, and they've been manufacturing bullshit scandals for years now to try and unseat him, you'd think that DUers at least would have learned not to believe the little boys after they've cried "Wolf" a few hundred times. But nooooooo.
http://bluntandcranky.wordpress.com/2013/06/10/they-cried-wolf-about-benghazi-and-the-irs-so-why-do-you-believe-those-f-ers-about-the-nsa/
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...kept that one under wraps
riqster
(13,986 posts)Frankly, after listening to Snowden explain why he fled to Hong Kong, I have my doubts about him. For the love of God, he actually said that the people of Hong Kong, having a strong tradition of free speech, would stop the Chinese government from extraditing him.
He may not have lost all of his marbles, but there is definitely a hole in the bag.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Haven't heard that one.
WHERE have I been??
riqster
(13,986 posts)Look at SCE's LOL cats thread for this week, I posted it there.
madokie
(51,076 posts)that got a laugh out of me and gave me the energy to finish my weedeating.
fuck a wild man LOL
riqster
(13,986 posts)No weed eating here, thank the Gods.
madokie
(51,076 posts)helps to keep my old bod in shape, plus I get to play with my stihl weed eater toy
riqster
(13,986 posts)My, how the world has changed.
I liked that too
Had some a while back, 6 months or so,) made with some killer and was it ever good.
G_j
(40,372 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)G_j
(40,372 posts)Greenwald is a "winger"?
emulatorloo
(44,261 posts)In general, I don't find Greenwald all that credible. Promoting the Benghazi nonsense pretty much was the last nail in the coffin.
That's my opinion, I am entitled to it.
Before you call me a racist-apologist-enemy-of-the-constitution, this is pretty much where I am at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022983101
Serious story, serious issue.
G_j
(40,372 posts)but yes, of course you are entitled to your opinion.
emulatorloo
(44,261 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)throw it out there and hope it sticks.
emulatorloo
(44,261 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)emulatorloo
(44,261 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)someone should bring that up......to Glenn.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Patrick Fitzgerald about the Matt Hale/SAMs issue.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)He caught on pretty fast and turned into one of the staunchest anti-Iraq, anti-Bush critics.
It wasn't kept under wraps. Greenwald has written about it often.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...value that it has gotten on DU
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Unlike Greenwald though she has never backed down from that support.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)the GOP supports Obama on the NSA
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)The usual assholes don't.
frylock
(34,825 posts)rand paul and ted cruz are fucking n00bs, much like the very vocal group of DUers that support this shit who signed up in 2007 and 2008.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Lots of Dems supported the Iraq War and DIDN'T become staunch critics of it.
"Hey, everybody! Glenn Greenwald trusted President Bush on Iraq!"
"Yeah, you want to know who I found that out from? Glenn Greenwald. When writing about how he became one of our biggest critics of Bush and WAR."
This is getting old.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Two years later, he wrote "The Arrogance of Power" in which he became one of the biggest critics of the Vietnam War.
People can and do change their minds about supporting a war.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)They do NOT support Obama on this. The ones that do, vocally, happen to be on the committees which have oversight - just like the Democrats who support Obama and the programs, like All Franken.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)And now they are the ones trying to fry Obama for it.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)...take what he and his warmonger hommie at face value
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Tell me, since Carlyle is being paid what I can only presume are lavish sums of money to carry out the operations, explain to me how it is in their self-interest to leak information about the secret program which is generating them this money?
riqster
(13,986 posts)Even though it's obviously just another "Wolf" incident.
FSogol
(45,580 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,100 posts)But, it's not the media that is manufacturing these scandals. It's the House and Senate GOP. The media is just carrying their water for them. That being said, this NSA thing is looking more and more like another manufactured scandal. This leaker guy is making $200 K per year without even having a high school diploma? It just doesn't smell right...
riqster
(13,986 posts)...that there is little difference between the two these days.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Might help give some substance to your instinctive reaction.
GoCubsGo
(32,100 posts)The fact that Glenn Greenwald is involved is the biggest red flag of all. Had it been someone like David Korn of Mother Jones, it would be another story. Korn is an actual muckracker, as opposed to a blogger. And, it's sad to see how low the Washington Post has fallen. I used to consider them a respectable newspaper. Not so much now.
Hekate
(90,978 posts)http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-under-scrutiny-key-facts-turning-out-to-be-inaccurate/
Another good article at the link. Bonus: I learned a brand-new word. Shpadoinkle.
riqster
(13,986 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Mother bashing...oh help me if I've left anything out. Those were just off the top of my head.
But the NSA thing does warrant a conversation in post 911 America, and wanting to participate in that conversation is not a detriment to the President. It is an asset.
riqster
(13,986 posts)And roll back the Patriot act and all its children. I'm just saying let's get the facts before having that discussion, instead of leaping to conclusions.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Unless you think "modest encroachment" is apt regarding civil RIGHTS
riqster
(13,986 posts)The breed and size need determined.
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)Because it is a clear and present danger and it is absolutely out of control:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017124153
riqster
(13,986 posts)All we have now are some disintegrating "news reports". We need solid information and clear heads to undo the Patriot Act and its brethren.
Running around doing the headless chicken dance serves nobody except the Reeps and the Corporate media types.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)over-the-top, specifically in regard to their spying upon the Occupy Wall Street movement...
riqster
(13,986 posts)Anything we can document via multiple and reliable sources, hit' em with.
Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)are you talking about . and btw, I also think it's too large and a waste of money and too easily abused.
riqster
(13,986 posts)Like direct back-door access and all the other since-debunked "facts" that people took as gospel, even after the media has repeatedly proven itself to be a partisan and untrustworthy information source.
wandy
(3,539 posts)We knew the NSA was a disgrace.
We knew the ill-conceived patriot act was a cancer.
We just sort of forgot about it for about five years.
It is not the NSA scandal that is suspicious.
It is the timing of the NSA scandal that is telling.
Somewhere Karl Rove is laughing his ass off.
riqster
(13,986 posts)That's why I advocate remembering that the Media and Congress have been crying "Wolf" since Obama was running for President the first time. It ill behooves us to jump to conclusions: points like yours need to be front and center in our minds when this crap gets put out by our enemies.
wandy
(3,539 posts)2014: Get the vermin out of the House.
End the republican menace.
riqster
(13,986 posts)GOTFV!
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)that the Bush guys at Carlyle are on it.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)It shows that a person is better than RWers or something.
Knowing that this attitude exists, wouldn't it be absolutely perfect to have his own party perpetuate a scandal? It's a lot less work.
Gin
(7,212 posts)After 911......so.....none of this is news....
If he is a plant to discredit the dems......it will all fail....soon.
Is he a pawn or the real thing?
riqster
(13,986 posts)...is the discord they sow among us. If we would wait a day or three for confirmation before assuming that the Reep-controlled media was handing us truthful information, we'd all be better off.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Mark Udall and Ron Wyden, on the other hand, aren't.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)I like Glenn Greenwald, unlike many here. I think he does good work. Democrats have their poor little feelings hurt that he goes after "their" guy. Obama's not my guy; I do not support him at all anymore. He promised transparency and gave us the opposite. He can go hell.
But Udall and Wyden have my full support.
bushisanidiot
(8,064 posts)the leaker in this latest issue worked for bush and bought the cheney "mushroom cloud" theory about Iraq HOOK LINE AND SINKER.
sorry, that's a zealous, flag waving right wing republican who is trying his best to help republicans win in 2014.
the entire strategy since the beginning of the year from republicans has been to cast a suspicion of doubt..
that don't think they actually have to prove anything, they just want to make it look like there are lots of
dots that need to be connected so that the EVIL, POWER HUNGRY BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA can be
set up for impeachment.
that is it. that is all there is to this bullshit. it's disgusting that so many left wingers
in the press and folks like jon stewart are totally getting CATFISHED by the right.
think
(11,641 posts)The Huffington Post | By Braden Goyette Posted: 06/06/2013 12:14 am EDT | Updated: 06/06/2013 9:48 am EDT
While Gore is best known for his work on climate change, he has also expressed his concern about threats to privacy rights in the past.
Earlier this year at South By Southwest, Gore decried a creeping government culture of surveillance.
The government is about to complete this $2 billion facility in Utah that can sweep up everything from phone calls to emails,: Gore said, according to tech news website Slashdot. And the Supreme Court just ruled you cant sue.
Gore was also outspoken when the media revealed that the Bush administration had been engaging in warrantless wiretapping. The practice "virtually compels the conclusion that the president of the United States has been breaking the law repeatedly and persistently," Gore said in a speech in 2006, The New York Times reported.
Full article:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/al-gore-nsa-phone-records_n_3394043.html
http://slashdot.org/topic/bi/sxsw-al-gore-talks-surveillance-culture-spider-goats/
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Yeah, Benghazi was massive unadulterated bullshit. The IRS thing almost as bad.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)I am seeing that we are NOT watching what the Hill is up to.
There was a vote today to cut SNAP, a.k.a Food Stamps. This was in the Senate. One with even BIGGER cuts is to be voted for in the House.
What else is getting voted on that will hurt the 99% while we are not looking?
And it is interesting how all these scandals seem to be tying up the White House.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)Hekate
(90,978 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Rand Paul is steadily trying to look like he's the good guy in all this. Ted fucking Cruz even jumped in on that action today. Glen Beck did, too, of course linking Obama to Hitler and the Holocaust, saying this program would leave no living Jews.
Meanwhile Greenwald has launched his own personal fundraising at The Guardian. The unlikely leaker was in a 5-star Hong Kong hotel, undoubtedly being watched and followed just because that's what they do there. But hey! Three cheers for FreeDumb and all that internet access China will (not) allow him.
Hekate
(90,978 posts)Last edited Mon Jun 10, 2013, 08:57 PM - Edit history (1)
... unicorns, or something like that. I distinctly remember him promising to breed them at Camp David. And instead he threw the unicorns under the bus. I know it's true because I read it here.
So all this other shit must be true. The man who recently ASKED THE U.S. CONGRESS TO CUT BACK PRESIDENTIAL POWERS is -- well, he must be doing something reprehensible, I am sure of it. Because I read it here.
Good essay at the link, btw. As Mr. Blunt and Cranky sums it up: So, why for the love of GOD, do so many of you keep believing those little f***ers when they cry wolf? Really, people, you should have learned by now to wait for proof before believing the lying wolf criers.
Edited to add: Ratfuckers and the fucking ratfuckers who breed them.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)"You can't be a motherfucker if you don't fuck some mothers".
Agreed, no conspiracy involved. But listening to any of these fuckers is a bad idea.
neverforget
(9,437 posts)All I've heard is that Rand Paul hates this program. The rest of the Republicans in Congress are down with it.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)what legislation is glen beck pushing to vote on?
neverforget
(9,437 posts)Not to mention torture memo author John Yoo. They think it's great.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)They are actually building the damn thing.
That ain't no fucking mirage in the Utah dessert.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Last I remember reading two Cincinnati agents testified that orders came from DC, rather than what was said by DC, which was that rogue agents in Cincinnati had conceived of and implemented the policy.
This was a policy, by the way, that the IRS itself put out there - they outted themselves in a planned and orchestrated move that included having a planted question asked.
They then apologized for targeting right-leaning political groups.
The head of that division has taken the fifth before Congress, refusing to answer questions about any of the charges.
Please tell me how that all got settled.
DevonRex
(22,541 posts)burnodo
(2,017 posts)why apologize at all?
libodem
(19,288 posts)Is the sudden interest. This shit has been on going. Everybody knows it. Why act surprised.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)...and the fault lay with the wolf cryer.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)That is to listen to someone other than the crier who has been proven a liar.
That solves the problem and keeps us out of the lupine digestive tract.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)lame54
(35,343 posts)riqster
(13,986 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)WOO HOO!!!