Snowden was kicked out of the Army..he is begining smell like he is FOS

[HipChick]

He seems to lack the ability to complete anything...here's hoping he can complete his jail time..


The former CIA computer technician who leaked last week’s explosive details about American classified surveillance programs spent just five months in the Army Reserve before he was discharged, records show.

Edward Snowden, the self-proclaimed whistleblower who sent the information to The Guardian and The Washington Post, joined up in 2004, but separated just five months later, an Army official told POLITICO.


“His records indicate he enlisted in the Army Reserve as a Special Forces Recruit (18X) on 7 May 2004 but was discharged 28 September 2004. He did not complete any training or receive any awards,” the spokesman said

Records show Snowden’s birthday as June 21, 1983. The 18X is a code for an enlistment option that permits recruits to try to go directly into the Army’s Special Forces, a path previously open only to serving soldiers. Snowden told The Guardian that an injury prevented him from pursing his full Army training.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/06/edward-snowden-army-discharge-92486.html#ixzz2VolZHOgA

[Daniel537]

1. He won't be completing any jail time.

Much to your lament and that of your pal Petah King. Nice attempt to try to divert attention, though.

[backscatter712]

2. *PLONK*

[xiamiam]

17. ditto

[leftynyc]

20. Do I have to put you on ignore

so I don't continue to see you spamming this board with this moronic picture? Why are you compelled to announce to everyone every time you put someone on ignore? What makes you think anyone cares?

[tammywammy]

3. That only says he was discharged.

It doesn't say he was kicked out like if it had said dishonorably discharged. If he broke both legs while in training it's not unlikely he would have then been discharged.

[GeorgeGist]

4. If you're correct ...

Greenwald is a lousy lawyer.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

5. I know that I am in the minority here, but Greenwald and folks like Jeremy Scahill have been

relentless in their attacks against the president since Day 1. Some people commend them for being consistent. I think they're FOS.

[HipChick]

7. Exactly...folks are not seeing the hands behind the curtain on this

[graham4anything]

6. oh dear.

If only the internet(s) were around in 2000, then the recount at Miami dade country would have gone on,
but not many were on line then, and it was not immediately known that the "rioters" were plants from the bush side.

[Marrah_G]

8. He was discharged after breaking both legs.....

[enough]

15. Thanks for the facts. (nt)

[backscatter712]

19. Stop getting in the way of an authoritarian smear-job with those pesky facts!

[Bluenorthwest]

9. First, that record you quote just says 'discharged' which is not 'kicked out' at all.

Also, shall I assume that in your eyes those who were 'kicked out' are in the wrong, even though the military did charge and kick out thousands for simply being gay?
I assume folks discharged were hounded out of the service like straights did to so many for so many long years, shouting about how extremely high their morality is. Then lying, cheating, wiretapping and shredding the Constitution while bearing false witness and doing all of that in the name of Jesus.

[DirkGently]

10. It's the information they need to refute. Not the person.

No amount of messenger shooting can undo the fact the administration has been fighting any disclsoure of how PRISM operates, what about it was illegal in 2011, or how they're running it differently now.

[atreides1]

11. Five months

Sounds like he was discharged because he could not complete his training...not that unusual!

Being discharged for an injury is not the same as being "kicked out"!

[think]

12. The FISA court already found the NSA has violated the constitution in some instances

so attacking Snowden is really a moot point....

Justice Department Fights Release of Secret Court Opinion Finding Unconstitutional Surveillance
Government lawyers are trying to keep buried a classified court finding that a domestic spying program went too far.

—By David Corn
| Fri Jun. 7, 2013 12:22 PM PDT

~Snip~

This important case—all the more relevant in the wake of this week's disclosures—was triggered after Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), a member of the Senate intelligence committee, started crying foul in 2011 about US government snooping. As a member of the intelligence committee, he had learned about domestic surveillance activity affecting American citizens that he believed was improper. He and Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.), another intelligence committee member, raised only vague warnings about this data collection, because they could not reveal the details of the classified program that concerned them. But in July 2012, Wyden was able to get the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to declassify two statements that he wanted to issue publicly. They were:

* On at least one occasion the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court held that some collection carried out pursuant to the Section 702 minimization procedures used by the government was unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.

* I believe that the government's implementation of Section 702 of FISA [the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] has sometimes circumvented the spirit of the law, and on at least one occasion the FISA Court has reached this same conclusion.

For those who follow the secret and often complex world of high-tech government spying, this was an aha moment. The FISA court Wyden referred to oversees the surveillance programs run by the government, authorizing requests for various surveillance activities related to national security, and it does this behind a thick cloak of secrecy. Wyden's statements led to an obvious conclusion: He had seen a secret FISA court opinion that ruled that one surveillance program was unconstitutional and violated the spirit of the law. But, yet again, Wyden could not publicly identify this program....

Full article:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/justice-department-electronic-frontier-foundation-fisa-court-opinion

[bike man]

13. "kicked out" =/= "discharged for injury" - not the same at all. nt

[southernyankeebelle]

14. This says nothing. The government will be looking for anything and everything to make this

guy look bad. Another Manning. I think both are heros and hopefully american people wake up.

[OKNancy]

16. So did he break his legs?

If what he says is the truth, then no... he wasn't "kicked out".
What I can't figure out from this rather limited article is: did he break his legs and/or did he receive the training that he says caused the accident?
All the article says is " “His records indicate he enlisted in the Army Reserve as a Special Forces Recruit (18X) on 7 May 2004 but was discharged 28 September 2004. He did not complete any training or receive any awards,” the spokesman said."
Of course the spokesman could be wrong too.

[catnhatnh]

21. He did not complete....

But even old-time infantry training took about 6 months-10 weeks basic plus 12 weeks minimum for AIT (advanced individual training). I would not be surprised to find the complete course was 9 months or more.

[Recursion]

18. You get the National Defense Service Medal for 72 hours of service, including basic training

Do they literally mean he didn't get even that? This is getting weirder.

[UTUSN]

22. R#6 & K for, yip, he's a cyberkid who thinks he knows better than the rest of us

and that his ABSTRACT "idealism" is HOLY. Add to his "incompletes" only THREE (3) months working at that Booz Allen bête noir

[hobbit709]

23. And your point is?

I know several people who got kicked out. Hell the Air Force told me it would take an act of congress for me to reenlist.