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Robb

(39,665 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:25 PM Jun 2013

"I found a boy curled up in the fetal position with a red dot on his back."

Good news! The gun's going to be O.K.!

According to police, the child and a 9-year-old girl were handling a loaded gun in the garage of a housing complex when the shooting took place, local news outlets report. Though the boy, identified by ABC 10News as Eric Klyaz, was rushed to a local hospital, he succumbed to his injuries later that day.

As the Associated Press notes, the girl's 14-year-old sibling was babysitting at the time, and no adults were present. After the shot rang out shortly after 4 p.m., adults nearby ran to the garage and discovered Klyaz had been shot in the chest. Police found a 9 mm semi-automatic at the scene.

"I heard a loud pop and said that didn’t sound good,” a neighbor told Fox 5 News San Diego. ”I found a boy curled up in the fetal position with a red dot on his back it looked like a gun shot.”

Klyaz's parents also rushed to the garage, which residents dubbed more of a playhouse for kids in the complex, and discovered he was not breathing. The 10-year-old's father cradled his son while others attempted CPR, U-T San Diego reports.

Read More: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/san-diego-accidental-shooting-boy-killed_n_3391185.html
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"I found a boy curled up in the fetal position with a red dot on his back." (Original Post) Robb Jun 2013 OP
Every single day Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #1
Apparently :( nt abelenkpe Jun 2013 #5
Yes, apparently. Very much so Cirque du So-What Jun 2013 #7
Check out Slate: How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?... DreamGypsy Jun 2013 #26
Good lord. Robb Jun 2013 #29
It's very dark humor DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #2
K&R nt abelenkpe Jun 2013 #3
Charge the parents malaise Jun 2013 #4
Agreed: charge the parents. A loaded gun in a cardboard box in a garage that was known... marble falls Jun 2013 #10
Are you serious? n/t malaise Jun 2013 #17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQXUIYUfKdE marble falls Jun 2013 #19
That woman needs treatment malaise Jun 2013 #21
Absolutely marions ghost Jun 2013 #14
that is so sad renate Jun 2013 #6
Guns are people too, my friend. nt onehandle Jun 2013 #8
Another day, another example of why we need MOAR GUNZ!!! kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #9
Parents Need to do a Better Job erpowers Jun 2013 #11
This made me cry. Rainforestgoddess Jun 2013 #12
With you on that marions ghost Jun 2013 #15
I am begining to think it is a mental disease rurallib Jun 2013 #16
This Insanity titanicdave Jun 2013 #13
After Reagan got shot the talk was to ban all hand guns.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #18
+1,000 freshwest Jun 2013 #27
God love you, Robb. And I mean that sincerely without even a hint of sarcasm! 11 Bravo Jun 2013 #20
Not just guns felix_numinous Jun 2013 #22
I not sure how aggressive they are deaniac21 Jun 2013 #23
Wow there it is felix_numinous Jun 2013 #24
And the NRA opposes requiring gun safes! BainsBane Jun 2013 #25
I too, want to thank you Robb for this task you do for us. It's heartbreaking, but must be done. freshwest Jun 2013 #28

Cirque du So-What

(26,020 posts)
1. Every single day
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

Is it somehow less saddening and infuriating when it's only one or two of these horrible stories every day than if it occurs en masse, as in the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre? Are we somehow oblivious to the concept of cumulative effects?

Cirque du So-What

(26,020 posts)
7. Yes, apparently. Very much so
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:35 PM
Jun 2013

The Sandy Hook Elementary massacre is fading into memory, apparent in the steady decline in conversations related to gun regulation. We should be thankful for stalwart individuals like Robb who remind us that tragedy is ongoing and does not begin and end with media-grabbing mass murders. It's happening every single day, and for each family who loses a child to carelessness with firearms, the pain is no less significant.

DreamGypsy

(2,252 posts)
26. Check out Slate: How Many People Have Been Killed by Guns Since Newtown?...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 08:06 PM
Jun 2013

...if you want to immerse yourself in the daily ongoing tragedy.

Here's the link: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2012/12/gun_death_tally_every_american_gun_death_since_newtown_sandy_hook_shooting.html

Current count is 4800.

Nice graphic representation with a representative figure for every death. Click on the figure to get name and age, plus a link to a source article reporting the shooting.

You can filter for female/male deaths, age of deceased adult, teen (3-19), or child (0-12), location, and range of dates.

A US map showing the locations of the deaths and you can select the city or state you're interested in to get a count.

It keeps the memories alive, though the victims are dead.

(NB: currently 6/4/2013 shows two 10 year old boys killed, one being Eric Klyaz, the other unnamed. The both represent the same shooting. I emailed Slate about this and expect they will correct the data soon.)

 

DisgustipatedinCA

(12,530 posts)
2. It's very dark humor
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:28 PM
Jun 2013

...but I have an appreciation for your fine sense of the absurd when it comes to the gun insanity that has taken over in many quarters. Thank god the gun is ok, and will have more opportunities to celebrate the 2nd Amendment.

marble falls

(57,405 posts)
10. Agreed: charge the parents. A loaded gun in a cardboard box in a garage that was known...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:09 PM
Jun 2013

as the neighborhood kids hang-out.

But it gets worse. The mother of a kid shot and killed at a birthday party set two pitbulls onto a reporter.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
14. Absolutely
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:06 PM
Jun 2013

charge the parents. That is the only way this will stop.

Anyone that stupid...did they really love their kid? You can't think they really cared.

renate

(13,776 posts)
6. that is so sad
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:33 PM
Jun 2013

And another story that is even sadder, to me anyway, that's referred to at the bottom of that article: an 11-year-old boy was shot as he was trying to get a gun away from younger children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/15/-jarvan-jackson-11-year-old-shot-_n_3278506.html

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
11. Parents Need to do a Better Job
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:33 PM
Jun 2013

One thing that is so sad about so many of these cases is that so many of the adults involved in these cases do such a bad job of keeping these guns from children. First, if there are guns in a home they should be secured in a way in which young children cannot get their hands on them. Second, parents should teach their kids that guns are not toys, should not be played with, and should not be pointed at anyone even if not loaded. At this point, I will admit that parents can try to teach their kids not to play with guns and the kids could do so anyway. In those cases that is why guns need to be secured in a way that kids cannot to them, mainly in locked boxes.

titanicdave

(429 posts)
13. This Insanity
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:05 PM
Jun 2013

will never end as long as the NRA has bought and paid for congress......God Almighty this gets more disgusting every day when we read something like this.....parents, friends, and relatives who leave loaded guns where young kids can get a hold of them should be brought up on child neglection charges.....

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
18. After Reagan got shot the talk was to ban all hand guns....
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:40 PM
Jun 2013

Now we can't even get a background check because we want to give a segment of our population the notion that they can load up the pick-um-up truck with beer and ammo and take over Washington DC.

11 Bravo

(23,928 posts)
20. God love you, Robb. And I mean that sincerely without even a hint of sarcasm!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 03:47 PM
Jun 2013

While we disagree about some aspects of the gun debate, we are in complete accord on the need for some restrictions (background checks, high-capacity magazines, trigger locks, and more).
So I'll say it again; God love you for doing the legwork, finding the accounts of the never-ending stream of senseless tragedies, and putting them out there, thereby forcing the Wayne LaPierre type zealots to come face-to-face with the harsh realities of their lunacy.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
22. Not just guns
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:11 PM
Jun 2013

LOADED guns. OK if your going to keep weapons secure the clips and bullets.

Can the NRA at least push an aggressive safety program for the guns that are out there?

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
24. Wow there it is
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 07:02 PM
Jun 2013

Duh I guess I asked the stupid question, 'why loaded guns?' But I couldn't stop my fingers from typing it....

This is so sad to read.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
28. I too, want to thank you Robb for this task you do for us. It's heartbreaking, but must be done.
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 02:44 AM
Jun 2013

These are real people, real deaths. It shouldn't be swept under the rug because the media is in the hands of the gun industry and glorifies violence.

It has done so for many years, like they used to do with cigars and cigarettes. They have been using the world's most powerful psychological teaching method, the moving picture with sounds and music to impress this on our brains.

They taught generations that gun or other violence is the only solution to a problem. Or the injuries they do is not as bad as we know they are in real life. It looks so clean and easy, and they even manipulate the viewer so that they get angry at the bad guy or whoever, and feel good seeing that person be killed.

There is hardly any leading man, or woman, that is not forced to act as if carrying a gun is like wearing shoes or a hat. And that the use of the gun is somehow sexy and a sign of personal power and what an adult does.

Is it any wonder that a child doesn't want to find out how it feels to handle one, to be grow up and be an effective human being, when they are exposed to them all the time?

I used to be much more open about the Second Amendment and the right to carry. I know that some people feel they need them for protection. But we're being herded into a society that is going to be horrific if current trends continue. So much hate for others, so much violence.

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