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SecularMotion

(7,981 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:20 AM Jun 2013

Restaurant bans kids under 18, saying parents need a 'break'

The Sushi Bar bans kids under 18, and the owner says so far, patrons love it.

Sidewalks in the hip neighborhood of Del Ray in Alexandria, Va., are often clogged with baby strollers and young parents—but that hasn’t stopped one new sushi restaurant from banning the 18-and-under crowd.

Surprisingly enough, The Sushi Bar, which officially opens Tuesday, is owned by the same person who runs the two super kid-friendly restaurants that flank it: Pork Barrel BBQ and Holy Cow, a burger joint where you might find 20 kids running amuck on a Friday night.

“We thought, ‘These poor parents—they’re helicopter parents, God love ’em—they’re always doing this and that with their kids, and we thought, they need a break.’ Not so much a break from their kids, but adjoining kids, ” said owner Mike Anderson, who has three kids himself—only two of whom are old enough to dine at the new restaurant.

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/restaurant-bans-kids-under-18-saying-parents-need-break-6C10196866

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Restaurant bans kids under 18, saying parents need a 'break' (Original Post) SecularMotion Jun 2013 OP
I'm outraged, I tell you! MineralMan Jun 2013 #1
HA! Check out my post below... Raine1967 Jun 2013 #17
Can we have restaurants that ban anyone over 60 MattBaggins Jun 2013 #82
I have no problem with that sharp_stick Jun 2013 #2
That still doesn't excuse parents who let their kids act like they're at Happyland inside the place. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #5
No but it should sharp_stick Jun 2013 #15
I don't have a problem with this. HappyMe Jun 2013 #3
I can see banning kids under 12 or so, but 18? That seems ridiculous. cali Jun 2013 #4
A good way to piss off all of those Swamp Lover Jun 2013 #7
Especially if the kids want to hear stories about stuff that happened before they were born. DetlefK Jun 2013 #13
DUZY! flying rabbit Jun 2013 #96
I'd make it 23. Keep the college students out, too. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #8
You'd have to mark out 30 year olds too if you hate college students so much. Neoma Jun 2013 #40
I'm in higher ed. It was just a joke. Gidney N Cloyd Jun 2013 #56
Hey wait! Bluzmann57 Jun 2013 #54
It'll be okay, there are how many diners in the country? snooper2 Jun 2013 #14
Teenagers can be disruptive monsters in public. Especially if their parents let them be kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #42
Ever try to serve a group of 10 17-year olds before (or after) prom? Myrina Jun 2013 #46
not before or after prom but I have served groups of teenagers cali Jun 2013 #51
Lucky you. Myrina Jun 2013 #52
Except to those of us LWolf Jun 2013 #97
If kids between 12 and 18 don't know how to act in public, the parents have failed parenthood appleannie1 Jun 2013 #6
Maybe the good parents need a break for the other parent's poorly raised kids? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #10
I think up to 18 is a bit extreme... cynatnite Jun 2013 #9
Open a restaurant. nt bike man Jun 2013 #27
I'm a rotten cook. n/t cynatnite Jun 2013 #28
Well, here's a business opportunity for you: kentauros Jun 2013 #31
Maybe you ought to give the same advice to everyone else who weighed in on the subject. n/t cynatnite Jun 2013 #32
You did say you were a rotten cook. kentauros Jun 2013 #37
Which is why I won't open a restaurant and don't want to open a restaurant... cynatnite Jun 2013 #41
Okay, no prob :) kentauros Jun 2013 #44
Oh restaraunt work too good for you, eh? Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2013 #84
You don't have to cook ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #83
Can we make this an international law? Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #11
Sounds good to me. sibelian Jun 2013 #12
This is my neighborhood; I know the owner. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #16
"The world doesn't revolve around you breeders and your spawn." bunnies Jun 2013 #39
Full disclosure: Raine1967 Jun 2013 #55
lmao!! bunnies Jun 2013 #58
My niece and nephews actually call me Aunt Bunny... Raine1967 Jun 2013 #74
... do I know you and Mr Raine? REP Jun 2013 #69
It's their business, their call. It's funny how outraged parents take to Yelp! geek tragedy Jun 2013 #18
I have kids and have absolutely NO problem with this. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #19
Well, would you say the same thing if ....... oldhippie Jun 2013 #85
Yeah, being under 18 is just like not being white mindwalker_i Jun 2013 #101
It was for me jberryhill Jun 2013 #105
That's what I thought .... oldhippie Jun 2013 #108
Remind me how America is a child-friendly country again JCMach1 Jun 2013 #20
Are you serious? tammywammy Jun 2013 #22
I am a child-UnFriendly adult American. kentauros Jun 2013 #23
I saw one saying backscatter712 Jun 2013 #38
Hmmm, that would be interesting locally. kentauros Jun 2013 #45
And one from Greenwich Village Jim Lane Jun 2013 #89
Disney bans kids from one of its restaurants. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #24
If you remember pleasure Island in Orlando, Disney banned kids from an entire theme park essentially stevenleser Jun 2013 #29
I am just saying there are cultures where this would result in a boycott by the people, or gov. JCMach1 Jun 2013 #119
Oh please. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #25
They can still run amok at Los Tios and Dairy Godmother and... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #70
Hello Neighbor! Raine1967 Jun 2013 #73
Well, I'm a neighbor in spirit right now... WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #75
I moved here 3 years ago -- I've learned that this area has changed A LOT. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #79
You bet! WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #87
Man, strollers just piss me off mindwalker_i Jun 2013 #103
We'd be a lot more accepting of children in public spaces if their parents would bother to teach kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #43
Indeed! kentauros Jun 2013 #49
This is true. HappyMe Jun 2013 #50
yes, we were taught also how to behave properly ThomThom Jun 2013 #59
This a 100 times ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #63
OMG kestrel Skittles Jun 2013 #71
Or at the very least, the embarrassment of a stern public dressing-down. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #72
one LOOK from my dad was enough to keep us in line Skittles Jun 2013 #92
My dad never in his life had to even give me "that look". kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #100
you were a USAF brat, kestrel? Skittles Jun 2013 #107
Yep. Lived in Nevada, Texas, Mississippi, California, Utah, Japan, New York, Colorado, Utah again, kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #109
my dad married a Brit Skittles Jun 2013 #111
Your dad must have SAC, what with those flat, unscenic places. kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #112
yup, he was SAC Skittles Jun 2013 #115
This message was self-deleted by its author kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #116
Oh? Where all were you stationed? kestrel91316 Jun 2013 #117
mostly Bergstrom Skittles Jun 2013 #118
Yep. You got that one right. roamer65 Jun 2013 #80
This one restaurant is all of America REP Jun 2013 #67
Did I miss the memo? oldhippie Jun 2013 #86
There's all kinds of child friendly bars too... erm uh oh hmmm L0oniX Jun 2013 #95
There should be mindwalker_i Jun 2013 #104
And this alleged appellation's origin is where? WinkyDink Jun 2013 #99
One of my favorite local Italian places has a standard line... Xithras Jun 2013 #21
Oh, I love this. "We expect all guests to be mature enough to eat from our standard menu." Nay Jun 2013 #26
Rec this response. nt bike man Jun 2013 #30
It's portion size also HockeyMom Jun 2013 #33
My teen daughter and I split the portion xmas74 Jun 2013 #88
Another thing I agree with ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #64
Yup. Charge full price, by the nose, and that will take care of the babies. lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #113
I don't understand the outrage. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #34
I love this! bunnies Jun 2013 #35
but NBC "news" says its a HIP neighborhood olddots Jun 2013 #36
There is one other comforting thought about them: kentauros Jun 2013 #53
?? Raine1967 Jun 2013 #76
More nice restaurants should do this. cbdo2007 Jun 2013 #47
I have two children under 8 and I don't have a problem with this at all. hughee99 Jun 2013 #48
so do the customers without kids ThomThom Jun 2013 #57
I got two tots under six and I'm cool with this AngryAmish Jun 2013 #60
Sounds fine to me CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #61
if we could get only adults to act civil and mature in public too, I'd start going out to eat again LanternWaste Jun 2013 #62
My favorite lunch spot introduced an "unofficial" kid free section ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2013 #65
lol Liberal_in_LA Jun 2013 #102
No problem with this. AngryOldDem Jun 2013 #66
All restaurants here Go Vols Jun 2013 #68
Wish I had a few around my area. roamer65 Jun 2013 #77
So many bad jokes can be made here, ZombieHorde Jun 2013 #78
I took I lady and her two small children to a sushi restaurant and we ruined it for everybody. Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #81
Cool RedCappedBandit Jun 2013 #90
I wish more restaurants would ban kids under 18. Apophis Jun 2013 #91
I don't have a problem with this... NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #93
K & R L0oniX Jun 2013 #94
Guess what, nay-sayers? We have ENTIRE "55-&-OVER" COMMUNITIES! Get over the umbrage here. WinkyDink Jun 2013 #98
19 year old arrested for giving sushi to 16 year old... jberryhill Jun 2013 #106
Was he required to register on the Food Offenders List? Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #110
I'll never forget: They entered with the kid screaming, I got up and left. lindysalsagal Jun 2013 #114
I will also go on the record as saying the absolute worst behavior I have ever seen JCMach1 Jun 2013 #120
Can we also have a selection of 18+ overseas flights? tarheelsunc Jun 2013 #121

MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
1. I'm outraged, I tell you!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:23 AM
Jun 2013

The nerve of this restaurant owner - making business decisions like that. BOYCOTT!

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
17. HA! Check out my post below...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:14 AM
Jun 2013

Some people in Del Ray compared this place to apartheid and Jim Crowe.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
2. I have no problem with that
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:25 AM
Jun 2013

as long as it's clearly marked on the door.

My general rule with kids in restaurants is that if they offer crayons and high chairs at the host station there's no right to bitch and moan about kids being in the restaurant.

sharp_stick

(14,400 posts)
15. No but it should
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:02 AM
Jun 2013

shut people up with "Oh no why are there kids near me, don't they know I can't stand kids, they shouldn't be allowed out of the house".

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
3. I don't have a problem with this.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:28 AM
Jun 2013

There are lots of family friendly restaurants. Adults with and without kids need a break.

 

Swamp Lover

(431 posts)
7. A good way to piss off all of those
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:42 AM
Jun 2013

14 year olds who enjoy spending their evenings with the folks, eating raw fish.....

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
13. Especially if the kids want to hear stories about stuff that happened before they were born.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:54 AM
Jun 2013

You know, back in the old days...

"Let me tell you everything about all the neighbours my parents had during my childhood."

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
42. Teenagers can be disruptive monsters in public. Especially if their parents let them be
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:05 PM
Jun 2013

disruptive monsters when they were younger.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
97. Except to those of us
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 05:00 PM
Jun 2013

who teach middle school.

I love my students. That doesn't mean that they are easy, though. After a long, long day of multi-tasking with large groups of teenagers, a place that I knew wouldl be free from them would be the place I'd head to with colleagues.

There are times that I wish I had a disguise when I get to town. It's more common, I guess, in small towns like mine, but I can't go anywhere without running into my students and their families. I can't tell you how many impromptu parent conferences I do every year standing in the aisle of the grocery store.

appleannie1

(5,074 posts)
6. If kids between 12 and 18 don't know how to act in public, the parents have failed parenthood
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:41 AM
Jun 2013

and have not earned a break.

Sheldon Cooper

(3,724 posts)
10. Maybe the good parents need a break for the other parent's poorly raised kids?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:46 AM
Jun 2013

I have two kids and I don't have a problem with this, as long as it's clearly marked on the door. The market will decide if it was a good business decision. I really don't see small kids wanting to eat a lot of raw fish anyway.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
31. Well, here's a business opportunity for you:
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:42 PM
Jun 2013

Take-Out Cooks

In other words, for the evening you get to hire a cook from your favorite restaurant or cuisine instead of either calling in an order to be delivered or going to a restaurant overrun by rugrats of all ages and maturity levels (think: no frat boys, either.)

Invite over all of your child-free friends, telling the ones with kids to leave them at home, and have an entertaining evening without the problems of restaurant-dining

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
37. You did say you were a rotten cook.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:56 PM
Jun 2013

The things with which we are inadequate is often how business opportunities sprout. Why not try it and make a fortune on something no one else is doing?

And I'm sure everyone else can read my post above without me having to re-post it to each and every other post here

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
41. Which is why I won't open a restaurant and don't want to open a restaurant...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:01 PM
Jun 2013

No prob. It's all good.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
44. Okay, no prob :)
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:10 PM
Jun 2013

Still might be an idea ot look into. It's not a restaurant, it's a "traveling cook" if you will. Have a whole team ready to cook any cuisine, either help you grocery shop for the evening or do that for you. If I was a business-oriented person, I'd set up something like this

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
16. This is my neighborhood; I know the owner.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:04 AM
Jun 2013

and this is a good move.

Del Ray is a wonderful neighborhood, but the stroller brigade is taking over.

We are actually going there tonite!

Most of this brewhaha started after our local patch published that 'Mango Mike' is opening up an adults only sushi/saki bar. The comments ended making national news... and I admit I was a part of the conversation. Check out a few (or get lost in the comments)

We have neighbors with children and they welcome a place where they can go, leave thier kids home with a sitter and enjoy a romantic evening without children.

Here are some snippets from the comments:

You think it's "asinine" to object to excluding entire groups of people based on conditions of birth? Wow. I bet you're a big fan of apartheid.

I won't be eating there and I'm not going to frequent Pork Barrel or Holy Cow any longer. It's ironic how happy they were to take my money for kids meals at Pork Barrel but now my money isn't good enough for fish.
and responses to this particular post:

WOW! Not only do we have a winner, but HUGE bonus points for completely trivializing apartheid!!! Do you think that comparison might be just a little bit over the top??? Are people who still take their kids to Holy Cow "sellouts" - like black artists who performed at Sun City? Are the "well behaved teens" that another commenter suggested might be admitted to the Sushi place like Asians and Mulattoes, who had greater rights than blacks (but fewer than whites) under the "other" apartheid? Is Los Tios a "shantytown"? What do you make of black South Africans who lived through the "other" apartheid --- only to repeat history by opening age-restricted restaurants in South Africa??? (possibly a form of Stockholm Sundrome?)

In any event, you are very brave to speak out against this injustice, knowing full well that Mango Mike will likely send his secret police to haul you off to his prison on Duke Street. You'll be offered release after a few years if you renounce your views, but I pray you stay strong. These are dangerous days, but maybe one day Del Ray will be united by a Rugby team comprised of both under-21 and over-21 players.


Yes, having an adults-only establishment is EXACTLY like apartheid. They're practically the same thing, what with the arrests and secret prisons and beatings and stealing of land.

I also have to wonder how often you actually went to Pork Barrel or Holy Cow. We went every Sunday during football season, And your money IS good enough for fish, so long as you leave the kids at home. Some of us are willing to pay for that privilege. Our money will make up for yours.

I think "family-friendly" Del Ray could use a little offending. Perhaps it would remind the breeders that there are plenty of non-breeders here as well, and we spend our money and don't leave messes like the kids do, and don't run around hollering. We have rights to - the right to not have to have our meals and conversations interrupted by momma's little darlin's.


but this was my favorite:
If they operate the sushi bar like they operate the other two places, I am sure you can sit in Pork Barrel and order sushi. As an adult that's had more than my share of good meals interrupted by "well-behaved" kids yelling or playing their video games, I am happy that there is one (count 'em - 1) place in Del Ray where I can eat in peace.

The world doesn't revolve around you breeders and your spawn. I know they are the most precious things in your lives, but you'll have to understand that not everyone enjoys your level of enthusiasm for your little Einsteins, and having ONE place in the area where the rest of us can eat around fellow adults is not too much to ask.


later on they compared the sushi restaurant to JIM CROWE era. I shit you not.

I wrote:

I've been waiting for this to open, it sounds like it will be a nice intimate place for date nights! I like it!

For those that seem insulted about not being able to bring their children into the actual restaurant, I wouldn't be surprised if they have the system set in place where you can actually have a holy cow burger -- WHILE in Pork Barrel. There is nothing wrong with having a place that is a kid free place.

Yes Del Ray is a family friendly area, but some people might want to go to a place every now and then without children. It really shouldn't be so controversial. Del Ray Pizza is supposed to have a party room for kids birthdays etc, Los Tios is very family friendly as well, as are pretty much every place on the Avenue.

Like I said, it will be nice to have a date night place here in Del Ray. Each one of Mango's restaurants serves a slightly different clientele, and I like that.
And Mike responded:


RK,
Your are correct.

Intimate and the perfect place for some post sushi, sake spawning.






 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
39. "The world doesn't revolve around you breeders and your spawn."
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:57 PM
Jun 2013
I nearly choked on my lunch. FWIW, I think its a great idea and I would love to have one in my area. I cant believe so many idiots are freaking out about a restaurant. Nothing kills a nice night out like someones kid screaming around & behaving badly. Kudos to your friend.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
55. Full disclosure:
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jun 2013

I am going to dinner tonite with the author of that very quote...

He's my husband....

-- and I can personally attest that we actually do love kids -- our neighbors on either side of our townhouse have kids that are about three years old -- they congratulated him on taking that stance. they had a soft opening over the weekend. I was so bummed that we were out of town. A few other shop owners that we know were there -- and one of our friends who manages a place on Mount Vernon avenue wanted for all of us to do a theatrical reading of the Del Ray Patch comments for the soft opening.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
58. lmao!!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:05 PM
Jun 2013

That is just too funny. What are the chances that Id pull a quote from that particular post. I hope he wont mind that Im totally stealing that, by the way. Its gonna come in really handy for us. bunnies-mr. is going to love it.

I bet you guys have a lot of laughs.

Theatrical readings. haha! That would have been hilarious. This town SO sounds like a place we'd love to live in. Nothing like that ever happens around here. *sigh* Have a wonderful kid-free dinner tonight! And please thank your hubby for almost making rice come out my nose.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
74. My niece and nephews actually call me Aunt Bunny...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:17 PM
Jun 2013

He won't mind... not at all!

Dinner was delish!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
18. It's their business, their call. It's funny how outraged parents take to Yelp!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:16 AM
Jun 2013

and whine about this stuff.

Same people who take their toddlers to bars.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. I have kids and have absolutely NO problem with this.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:19 AM
Jun 2013

The owner has every right to choose which segment of the market he wants to cater to.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
85. Well, would you say the same thing if .......
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:48 PM
Jun 2013
The owner has every right to choose which segment of the market he wants to cater to.


... the owner chose that he wanted to cater only to the white market segment? Or the heterosexual market segment?

I know I'm stirring shit, but that was what came to my mind, and I wondered if you would feel differently about whether he had every right to do that?
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
105. It was for me
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:53 AM
Jun 2013

Separate restrooms in school and couldn't get a hotel room anywhere. It's a lot like not being white.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
108. That's what I thought ....
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 09:35 AM
Jun 2013

You say "yeah", but you really mean "no."

So your statement "The owner has every right to choose which segment of the market he wants to cater to." was not really what you meant. That's what I thought.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
22. Are you serious?
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:34 AM
Jun 2013

The guy own three restaurants and is making one, only ONE, adults only. Seriously, get a grip. There's still plenty of places for families with kids, that doesn't mean there can't be places with no kids.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
23. I am a child-UnFriendly adult American.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:09 PM
Jun 2013

As such, I think I need to get the following put on a t-shirt for my favorite restaurants that don't seem to care about the preponderance of unattended children unsafely running about:


kentauros

(29,414 posts)
45. Hmmm, that would be interesting locally.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:15 PM
Jun 2013

Although it might not work as well, unless you know most of your customers were of one religion. In certain parts of the country you could also say "Unattended children will be punished by Sharia law."

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
89. And one from Greenwich Village
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:58 AM
Jun 2013

A now-closed store, Love Saves the Day, had a sign in the window: "Unattended children will be sold as slaves."

They had some vintage toys and games out on display, so they had bigger issues than just whether the screaming would annoy some adults.

JCMach1

(27,585 posts)
119. I am just saying there are cultures where this would result in a boycott by the people, or gov.
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 12:41 PM
Jun 2013

action.

As America has aged, it is becoming more and more child unfriendly... Probably the kids get off my lawn syndrome...

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
25. Oh please.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:18 PM
Jun 2013

This is a ridiculous statement -- ESPECIALLY if you know anything about Del Ray. We have a consignment shop here in town -- sounds great, right?

It's called BELLIES AND BABIES.

I welcome this decision.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
70. They can still run amok at Los Tios and Dairy Godmother and...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:24 PM
Jun 2013

Del Ray Pizzeria and...

I welcome it, too.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
75. Well, I'm a neighbor in spirit right now...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:19 PM
Jun 2013

and trying to get back. Howdee! Next time I'm up, I'll have to check it out. It's amazing the changes to Del Ray... I remember it dating back to the late '80s. BIG difference.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
79. I moved here 3 years ago -- I've learned that this area has changed A LOT.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:28 PM
Jun 2013

for better or worse, I suppose.


Al's Steakhouse is still here. Los Tios doubled in size about a year ago. (the margaritas are to DIE FOR)

I love living here. I know this area has come a long way -- I have neighbors who moved here wondering *what the hell did I do* ...

I'm in Warwick village -- and I love it. When you come on up, PM me!

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
87. You bet!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

We always went to Taqueria Poblano, but Los Tios seems to be winning out lately. Ha, I just stumbled upon this while Googling:



(If you go, happy eating!)

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
103. Man, strollers just piss me off
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 12:10 AM
Jun 2013

I worked at a science museum with an IMAX theater and parents wanted to bring their king-size stroller-tents into the theater, roll them up the multiple flights of stairs (everyone exited from the top, since that cut down on people getting dizzy and falling), and got completely bent out of shape when they had to leave their pavilions outside.

I know it's kind of unreasonable, but I take 2d8 psychological damage from strollers.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
43. We'd be a lot more accepting of children in public spaces if their parents would bother to teach
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:09 PM
Jun 2013

them how to conduct themselves in public like my parents taught me and my sister.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
49. Indeed!
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jun 2013

I wouldn't have a problem with most kids if they were taught to behave. I think my biggest problem (other than the few that are allowed to incessantly scream their little hearts out) is the safety issue. I still can't figure out why the parents can't see this potentially dangerous problem.

You've got servers with huge trays of food and/or drinks trying to weave their way through the restaurant without tipping onto other customers. Now add unattended children with no care in the world, like it's just one big obstacle-course-playgound. If I had kids, I'd be telling them all the "what ifs" that could happen in such situations, including the resultant injuries (they probably wouldn't yet understand the resulting lawsuits, though.)

I don't want to see kids get injured. I want to see responsible parents that have enough intelligence to never let things get to that level.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
50. This is true.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:24 PM
Jun 2013

Even if kids are taught to behave (few and far between lately) I still don't see anything wrong with a kid free restaurant.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
59. yes, we were taught also how to behave properly
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:09 PM
Jun 2013

I am tired of parents that fail there children and all the rest of us.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
63. This a 100 times
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jun 2013

Before the "weren't you a kid once???" bull crap starts, if I tried some of the shit I see kids starting in public, my parents would get up, pay their bill and take me out of there.

Skittles

(153,258 posts)
71. OMG kestrel
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:37 PM
Jun 2013

back then, they didn't even wait to get us outside....if you acted up in public you got a spanking right there

Skittles

(153,258 posts)
92. one LOOK from my dad was enough to keep us in line
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jun 2013

you know.....THAT look

I only ever actually got spanked once - when I was playing with matches and burned a hole in my dress

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
100. My dad never in his life had to even give me "that look".
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 11:52 PM
Jun 2013

My mom did, plenty of times, but she and I were always at loggerheads and didn't get along.

I adored my dad, and he adored us, and never had the heart to be the enforcer, lol. And he was a USAF officer (definitely not the stereotype). All he ever had to do was express verbal disapproval in the mildest terms and I would get right in line. I never wanted to go against him, but not out of fear.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
109. Yep. Lived in Nevada, Texas, Mississippi, California, Utah, Japan, New York, Colorado, Utah again,
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 01:53 PM
Jun 2013

and Ohio before graduating from HS. When I went to college my dad was transferred to Tucson, where he retired from the AF.

Skittles

(153,258 posts)
111. my dad married a Brit
Sat Jun 8, 2013, 08:45 PM
Jun 2013

so we moved back and forth, back and forth; as a teenager I lived in England, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Texas and Mississippi (by the last two I was enlisted)

Response to Skittles (Reply #115)

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
21. One of my favorite local Italian places has a standard line...
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 11:30 AM
Jun 2013

...for the parents who come in with their kids and invariably ask for a kids menu: "I'm sorry, but we expect all of our guests to be mature enough to eat from our standard menu."

You should understand that this is the type of restaurant that only has 3-4 standard items on the menu, along with another 4-5 that rotate from week to week. And no, they don't have spaghetti.

It's got them excoriated a few times on Yelp, but the overwhelming majority of their customers appreciate the sentiment...and the fact that there are very few children around because of it.


Nay

(12,051 posts)
26. Oh, I love this. "We expect all guests to be mature enough to eat from our standard menu."
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jun 2013

I wish EVERY restaurant did this. I am appalled at how children dictate to their parents what they will and will not eat; believe me, it didn't used to be this way. Kids ate what their parents ate, period. Period. If you didn't want something, you were lucky if your parents gave you temp pass not to eat it. You certainly didn't get to demand a plate of mac n cheese instead. In France, for example, there is no catering to children's whims -- their school lunches are exactly what adults eat. In fact, in most schools, children are not allowed to bring lunch from home because it is expected that children learn to eat normally, and the culture takes the responsibility to see that enforced. Here, there would be screaming about 'freedumb' to eat chips and nuggets for lunch. That's the difference between a true culture (France) and a commercial culture (us). We are so brainwashed with the 'freedumb' rhetoric here that we can't even try to officially encourage decent eating in CHILDREN.

As a result, now we have a bunch of special snowflake adults and kids who 'can't' eat anything but mac n cheese, chicken nuggets, and french fries. I have a relative like this, and her kid is picking right up on it. Makes me sick. Oh, you 'can't' eat mashed potatoes, they 'must' be fried because the texture 'bothers' you?? Let's see -- I bet a few months in Somalia, with no money, will have you eating nettles and raw bird eggs. If you can find them.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
33. It's portion size also
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jun 2013

The typical American portion size is insanely huge. Italian restaurants, which have a kid's menu, will also have pasta for the kids but the portion size, and price, is a lot smaller. I am a small woman and I can never eat all the amount these restaurants serve. A few chains today are offering half portion sizing of the regular menu. That would be fine for a child, or ME!

xmas74

(29,676 posts)
88. My teen daughter and I split the portion
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 12:38 AM
Jun 2013

and have separate salads. Otherwise, it's too big to be healthy.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
64. Another thing I agree with
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:50 PM
Jun 2013

When I was a kid, I loved trying "grown up" food. Of course, my parents were skillful enough to know when I was going over my head and still kept it to relatively simple dishes and not escargot or some such thing.

lindysalsagal

(20,784 posts)
113. Yup. Charge full price, by the nose, and that will take care of the babies.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:38 PM
Jun 2013

The restaurant has every right to do it, and too bad if you think you need to shove your kids at all the rest of us.

If I want to spend the day with little wigglers, I'll go to the zoo or mcdonald's.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
36. but NBC "news" says its a HIP neighborhood
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 12:49 PM
Jun 2013

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz what would be "hip" would be a sushi bar that didn't allow yuppy repukians .

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
48. I have two children under 8 and I don't have a problem with this at all.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 01:22 PM
Jun 2013

We know our children can be unruly at restaurants sometimes. We don't like it either.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
57. so do the customers without kids
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:02 PM
Jun 2013

I don't eat out much but nothing ruins a good meal like someone's kids acting up.
Need more restaurants like this one

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
60. I got two tots under six and I'm cool with this
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:18 PM
Jun 2013

We only go to a few restaurants that are kid friendly with the tots.

THere is this one place, it is a taco bar called Big Star. Very hipster, great tacos tho. We go on the weekends when they open...the hipsters have not woken up yet so we can get a table (which is not possible an hour after they open until close.) Anyway, it is fun to see some of the childless roll their eyes at us.

There is this one place that has pretty good food and is extremely kid friendly. From 5 pm until after 7 the place is packed with folks and their kids. Kids love it, the staff gets it and the place is packed when other restaurants are empty. The parents are gone by 8 and normal people can dine.

CakeGrrl

(10,611 posts)
61. Sounds fine to me
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:24 PM
Jun 2013

It's nice to consider people who are secondarily affected by unruly kids. And it's offset by the fact that they have very family-friendly establishments. I don't see why it's surprising that they would cater to both full families and adults-only.

My hairdresser does not allow children into her establishment unless they're having their hair done, in part due to the fact that the parent, especially while sitting in the shampoo chair or under the dryer, cannot manage the child and keep them from poking around and getting into things. She doesn't want to incur any liability, and she has the right to display her hair products and have other items accessible as she sees fit.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
62. if we could get only adults to act civil and mature in public too, I'd start going out to eat again
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 04:57 PM
Jun 2013

That being,done, if we could get only adults to act civil and mature in public too, I'd start going out to eat again (adults acting out far more often and far more dramatically in public than children do)

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
65. My favorite lunch spot introduced an "unofficial" kid free section
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:54 PM
Jun 2013

The regulars love it, but you would be amazed at the number of people who raise a stink when they are politely told they cannot be seated in the back section because they have kids. They act like they just had fire hoses turned on them.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
66. No problem with this.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 05:59 PM
Jun 2013

There are some places where kids don't need to be.

That said, whenever I encounter brattiness anywhere, it's more often than not aided and abetted by parental indulgence and/or inattention. But when I'm trying to enjoy a meal out, I really don't care what the reason is. I can tolerate it to a point if the venue is kid-friendly, but as I said, kids don't need to go everywhere adults do.

Go Vols

(5,902 posts)
68. All restaurants here
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 06:14 PM
Jun 2013

that allow smoking don't allow anyone under 21.I pretty much just go to those places exclusively for both reasons.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
81. I took I lady and her two small children to a sushi restaurant and we ruined it for everybody.
Thu Jun 6, 2013, 10:33 PM
Jun 2013

I was the bad guy in that one and I felt like a jackass supreme, especially given the experience people expect at a sushi restaurant.

I got no problem with this.

PB

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
93. I don't have a problem with this...
Fri Jun 7, 2013, 04:32 PM
Jun 2013

but in all fairness, I wonder how big a sushi bar is with the under-18 crowd anyway.

lindysalsagal

(20,784 posts)
114. I'll never forget: They entered with the kid screaming, I got up and left.
Sun Jun 9, 2013, 02:48 PM
Jun 2013

On a saturday, at a really nice upscale chinese restaurant around 7. We had gotten a sitter for our toddler. This was a very rare event. I hadn't seen the inside of a restaurant for months.

Great big open quiet place. We get a glass of wine, I hear the door open and the shrieking begins, and doesn't let up. They are seated, with the baby in the car seat right on top of the table, about 20 feet from us, and make no attempt to soothe the baby. They just ignore it and pick up their menus.

Continuous full-bore screaming.

We called the owner over and asked if they were going to tolerate it, and they shrugged, like, what can we do?

So, I told him it was either us or them. He shrugged again, and we bolted.

I would have loved to find out how much business they lost that night. We were the first ones seated. Everyone else heard the screaming from the sidewalk.

Poor baby.

JCMach1

(27,585 posts)
120. I will also go on the record as saying the absolute worst behavior I have ever seen
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 12:43 PM
Jun 2013

at restaurants all involved adults...

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