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Sidewalks in the hip neighborhood of Del Ray in Alexandria, Va., are often clogged with baby strollers and young parentsbut that hasnt stopped one new sushi restaurant from banning the 18-and-under crowd.
Surprisingly enough, The Sushi Bar, which officially opens Tuesday, is owned by the same person who runs the two super kid-friendly restaurants that flank it: Pork Barrel BBQ and Holy Cow, a burger joint where you might find 20 kids running amuck on a Friday night.
We thought, These poor parentstheyre helicopter parents, God love emtheyre always doing this and that with their kids, and we thought, they need a break. Not so much a break from their kids, but adjoining kids, said owner Mike Anderson, who has three kids himselfonly two of whom are old enough to dine at the new restaurant.
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/restaurant-bans-kids-under-18-saying-parents-need-break-6C10196866
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)The nerve of this restaurant owner - making business decisions like that. BOYCOTT!
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Some people in Del Ray compared this place to apartheid and Jim Crowe.
MattBaggins
(7,905 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)as long as it's clearly marked on the door.
My general rule with kids in restaurants is that if they offer crayons and high chairs at the host station there's no right to bitch and moan about kids being in the restaurant.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)sharp_stick
(14,400 posts)shut people up with "Oh no why are there kids near me, don't they know I can't stand kids, they shouldn't be allowed out of the house".
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)There are lots of family friendly restaurants. Adults with and without kids need a break.
cali
(114,904 posts)Swamp Lover
(431 posts)14 year olds who enjoy spending their evenings with the folks, eating raw fish.....
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)You know, back in the old days...
"Let me tell you everything about all the neighbours my parents had during my childhood."
flying rabbit
(4,644 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)Neoma
(10,039 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)I'm a part time college student who is way older than 23. Do you want to keep me out too?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)disruptive monsters when they were younger.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)Aw hell no.
cali
(114,904 posts)and never had a problem
Others of us who've done time in food service could tell you horror stories.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)who teach middle school.
I love my students. That doesn't mean that they are easy, though. After a long, long day of multi-tasking with large groups of teenagers, a place that I knew wouldl be free from them would be the place I'd head to with colleagues.
There are times that I wish I had a disguise when I get to town. It's more common, I guess, in small towns like mine, but I can't go anywhere without running into my students and their families. I can't tell you how many impromptu parent conferences I do every year standing in the aisle of the grocery store.
appleannie1
(5,074 posts)and have not earned a break.
Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)I have two kids and I don't have a problem with this, as long as it's clearly marked on the door. The market will decide if it was a good business decision. I really don't see small kids wanting to eat a lot of raw fish anyway.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)I probably would have taken it to 15 or 16.
bike man
(620 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)Take-Out Cooks
In other words, for the evening you get to hire a cook from your favorite restaurant or cuisine instead of either calling in an order to be delivered or going to a restaurant overrun by rugrats of all ages and maturity levels (think: no frat boys, either.)
Invite over all of your child-free friends, telling the ones with kids to leave them at home, and have an entertaining evening without the problems of restaurant-dining
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)The things with which we are inadequate is often how business opportunities sprout. Why not try it and make a fortune on something no one else is doing?
And I'm sure everyone else can read my post above without me having to re-post it to each and every other post here
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)No prob. It's all good.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Still might be an idea ot look into. It's not a restaurant, it's a "traveling cook" if you will. Have a whole team ready to cook any cuisine, either help you grocery shop for the evening or do that for you. If I was a business-oriented person, I'd set up something like this
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,350 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... sushi.
Floyd_Gondolli
(1,277 posts)sibelian
(7,804 posts)You don't half get fed up of the noise.
I think there are hotels that do this as well.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)and this is a good move.
Del Ray is a wonderful neighborhood, but the stroller brigade is taking over.
We are actually going there tonite!
Most of this brewhaha started after our local patch published that 'Mango Mike' is opening up an adults only sushi/saki bar. The comments ended making national news... and I admit I was a part of the conversation. Check out a few (or get lost in the comments)
We have neighbors with children and they welcome a place where they can go, leave thier kids home with a sitter and enjoy a romantic evening without children.
Here are some snippets from the comments:
I won't be eating there and I'm not going to frequent Pork Barrel or Holy Cow any longer. It's ironic how happy they were to take my money for kids meals at Pork Barrel but now my money isn't good enough for fish.
In any event, you are very brave to speak out against this injustice, knowing full well that Mango Mike will likely send his secret police to haul you off to his prison on Duke Street. You'll be offered release after a few years if you renounce your views, but I pray you stay strong. These are dangerous days, but maybe one day Del Ray will be united by a Rugby team comprised of both under-21 and over-21 players.
I also have to wonder how often you actually went to Pork Barrel or Holy Cow. We went every Sunday during football season, And your money IS good enough for fish, so long as you leave the kids at home. Some of us are willing to pay for that privilege. Our money will make up for yours.
I think "family-friendly" Del Ray could use a little offending. Perhaps it would remind the breeders that there are plenty of non-breeders here as well, and we spend our money and don't leave messes like the kids do, and don't run around hollering. We have rights to - the right to not have to have our meals and conversations interrupted by momma's little darlin's.
but this was my favorite:
The world doesn't revolve around you breeders and your spawn. I know they are the most precious things in your lives, but you'll have to understand that not everyone enjoys your level of enthusiasm for your little Einsteins, and having ONE place in the area where the rest of us can eat around fellow adults is not too much to ask.
later on they compared the sushi restaurant to JIM CROWE era. I shit you not.
I wrote:
For those that seem insulted about not being able to bring their children into the actual restaurant, I wouldn't be surprised if they have the system set in place where you can actually have a holy cow burger -- WHILE in Pork Barrel. There is nothing wrong with having a place that is a kid free place.
Yes Del Ray is a family friendly area, but some people might want to go to a place every now and then without children. It really shouldn't be so controversial. Del Ray Pizza is supposed to have a party room for kids birthdays etc, Los Tios is very family friendly as well, as are pretty much every place on the Avenue.
Like I said, it will be nice to have a date night place here in Del Ray. Each one of Mango's restaurants serves a slightly different clientele, and I like that.
RK,
Your are correct.
Intimate and the perfect place for some post sushi, sake spawning.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Raine1967
(11,589 posts)I am going to dinner tonite with the author of that very quote...
He's my husband....
-- and I can personally attest that we actually do love kids -- our neighbors on either side of our townhouse have kids that are about three years old -- they congratulated him on taking that stance. they had a soft opening over the weekend. I was so bummed that we were out of town. A few other shop owners that we know were there -- and one of our friends who manages a place on Mount Vernon avenue wanted for all of us to do a theatrical reading of the Del Ray Patch comments for the soft opening.
That is just too funny. What are the chances that Id pull a quote from that particular post. I hope he wont mind that Im totally stealing that, by the way. Its gonna come in really handy for us. bunnies-mr. is going to love it.
I bet you guys have a lot of laughs.
Theatrical readings. haha! That would have been hilarious. This town SO sounds like a place we'd love to live in. Nothing like that ever happens around here. *sigh* Have a wonderful kid-free dinner tonight! And please thank your hubby for almost making rice come out my nose.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)He won't mind... not at all!
Dinner was delish!
REP
(21,691 posts)You two remind me of some of my old friends from ASCF
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)and whine about this stuff.
Same people who take their toddlers to bars.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)The owner has every right to choose which segment of the market he wants to cater to.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)... the owner chose that he wanted to cater only to the white market segment? Or the heterosexual market segment?
I know I'm stirring shit, but that was what came to my mind, and I wondered if you would feel differently about whether he had every right to do that?
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Separate restrooms in school and couldn't get a hotel room anywhere. It's a lot like not being white.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)You say "yeah", but you really mean "no."
So your statement "The owner has every right to choose which segment of the market he wants to cater to." was not really what you meant. That's what I thought.
JCMach1
(27,585 posts)tammywammy
(26,582 posts)The guy own three restaurants and is making one, only ONE, adults only. Seriously, get a grip. There's still plenty of places for families with kids, that doesn't mean there can't be places with no kids.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)As such, I think I need to get the following put on a t-shirt for my favorite restaurants that don't seem to care about the preponderance of unattended children unsafely running about:
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)"Unattended children will be converted to the religion of our choice."
kentauros
(29,414 posts)Although it might not work as well, unless you know most of your customers were of one religion. In certain parts of the country you could also say "Unattended children will be punished by Sharia law."
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)A now-closed store, Love Saves the Day, had a sign in the window: "Unattended children will be sold as slaves."
They had some vintage toys and games out on display, so they had bigger issues than just whether the screaming would annoy some adults.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)So Disney is not child-friendly?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)JCMach1
(27,585 posts)action.
As America has aged, it is becoming more and more child unfriendly... Probably the kids get off my lawn syndrome...
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)This is a ridiculous statement -- ESPECIALLY if you know anything about Del Ray. We have a consignment shop here in town -- sounds great, right?
It's called BELLIES AND BABIES.
I welcome this decision.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)Del Ray Pizzeria and...
I welcome it, too.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)Dairy Godmother banned strollers inside...
We went tonight -- the food is amazing.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)and trying to get back. Howdee! Next time I'm up, I'll have to check it out. It's amazing the changes to Del Ray... I remember it dating back to the late '80s. BIG difference.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)for better or worse, I suppose.
Al's Steakhouse is still here. Los Tios doubled in size about a year ago. (the margaritas are to DIE FOR)
I love living here. I know this area has come a long way -- I have neighbors who moved here wondering *what the hell did I do* ...
I'm in Warwick village -- and I love it. When you come on up, PM me!
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)We always went to Taqueria Poblano, but Los Tios seems to be winning out lately. Ha, I just stumbled upon this while Googling:
(If you go, happy eating!)
mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)I worked at a science museum with an IMAX theater and parents wanted to bring their king-size stroller-tents into the theater, roll them up the multiple flights of stairs (everyone exited from the top, since that cut down on people getting dizzy and falling), and got completely bent out of shape when they had to leave their pavilions outside.
I know it's kind of unreasonable, but I take 2d8 psychological damage from strollers.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)them how to conduct themselves in public like my parents taught me and my sister.
kentauros
(29,414 posts)I wouldn't have a problem with most kids if they were taught to behave. I think my biggest problem (other than the few that are allowed to incessantly scream their little hearts out) is the safety issue. I still can't figure out why the parents can't see this potentially dangerous problem.
You've got servers with huge trays of food and/or drinks trying to weave their way through the restaurant without tipping onto other customers. Now add unattended children with no care in the world, like it's just one big obstacle-course-playgound. If I had kids, I'd be telling them all the "what ifs" that could happen in such situations, including the resultant injuries (they probably wouldn't yet understand the resulting lawsuits, though.)
I don't want to see kids get injured. I want to see responsible parents that have enough intelligence to never let things get to that level.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Even if kids are taught to behave (few and far between lately) I still don't see anything wrong with a kid free restaurant.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)I am tired of parents that fail there children and all the rest of us.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Before the "weren't you a kid once???" bull crap starts, if I tried some of the shit I see kids starting in public, my parents would get up, pay their bill and take me out of there.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)back then, they didn't even wait to get us outside....if you acted up in public you got a spanking right there
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Skittles
(153,258 posts)you know.....THAT look
I only ever actually got spanked once - when I was playing with matches and burned a hole in my dress
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)My mom did, plenty of times, but she and I were always at loggerheads and didn't get along.
I adored my dad, and he adored us, and never had the heart to be the enforcer, lol. And he was a USAF officer (definitely not the stereotype). All he ever had to do was express verbal disapproval in the mildest terms and I would get right in line. I never wanted to go against him, but not out of fear.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)so was I!!!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)and Ohio before graduating from HS. When I went to college my dad was transferred to Tucson, where he retired from the AF.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)so we moved back and forth, back and forth; as a teenager I lived in England, Minnesota, Iowa, Illinois, Texas and Mississippi (by the last two I was enlisted)
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)My dad was TAC.
Skittles
(153,258 posts)I was TAC
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kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Skittles
(153,258 posts)now the Austin airport
roamer65
(36,747 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)ALL OF IT.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)Damn, behind the curve again.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)mindwalker_i
(4,407 posts)Some of those kids could use a drink.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Xithras
(16,191 posts)...for the parents who come in with their kids and invariably ask for a kids menu: "I'm sorry, but we expect all of our guests to be mature enough to eat from our standard menu."
You should understand that this is the type of restaurant that only has 3-4 standard items on the menu, along with another 4-5 that rotate from week to week. And no, they don't have spaghetti.
It's got them excoriated a few times on Yelp, but the overwhelming majority of their customers appreciate the sentiment...and the fact that there are very few children around because of it.
Nay
(12,051 posts)I wish EVERY restaurant did this. I am appalled at how children dictate to their parents what they will and will not eat; believe me, it didn't used to be this way. Kids ate what their parents ate, period. Period. If you didn't want something, you were lucky if your parents gave you temp pass not to eat it. You certainly didn't get to demand a plate of mac n cheese instead. In France, for example, there is no catering to children's whims -- their school lunches are exactly what adults eat. In fact, in most schools, children are not allowed to bring lunch from home because it is expected that children learn to eat normally, and the culture takes the responsibility to see that enforced. Here, there would be screaming about 'freedumb' to eat chips and nuggets for lunch. That's the difference between a true culture (France) and a commercial culture (us). We are so brainwashed with the 'freedumb' rhetoric here that we can't even try to officially encourage decent eating in CHILDREN.
As a result, now we have a bunch of special snowflake adults and kids who 'can't' eat anything but mac n cheese, chicken nuggets, and french fries. I have a relative like this, and her kid is picking right up on it. Makes me sick. Oh, you 'can't' eat mashed potatoes, they 'must' be fried because the texture 'bothers' you?? Let's see -- I bet a few months in Somalia, with no money, will have you eating nettles and raw bird eggs. If you can find them.
bike man
(620 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)The typical American portion size is insanely huge. Italian restaurants, which have a kid's menu, will also have pasta for the kids but the portion size, and price, is a lot smaller. I am a small woman and I can never eat all the amount these restaurants serve. A few chains today are offering half portion sizing of the regular menu. That would be fine for a child, or ME!
xmas74
(29,676 posts)and have separate salads. Otherwise, it's too big to be healthy.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)When I was a kid, I loved trying "grown up" food. Of course, my parents were skillful enough to know when I was going over my head and still kept it to relatively simple dishes and not escargot or some such thing.
lindysalsagal
(20,784 posts)The restaurant has every right to do it, and too bad if you think you need to shove your kids at all the rest of us.
If I want to spend the day with little wigglers, I'll go to the zoo or mcdonald's.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)Please, oh please, open one around me!!!
olddots
(10,237 posts)zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz what would be "hip" would be a sushi bar that didn't allow yuppy repukians .
kentauros
(29,414 posts)they're likely unhappy hipsters
Del Ray is a solidly Dem neighborhood.
cbdo2007
(9,213 posts)hughee99
(16,113 posts)We know our children can be unruly at restaurants sometimes. We don't like it either.
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)I don't eat out much but nothing ruins a good meal like someone's kids acting up.
Need more restaurants like this one
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)We only go to a few restaurants that are kid friendly with the tots.
THere is this one place, it is a taco bar called Big Star. Very hipster, great tacos tho. We go on the weekends when they open...the hipsters have not woken up yet so we can get a table (which is not possible an hour after they open until close.) Anyway, it is fun to see some of the childless roll their eyes at us.
There is this one place that has pretty good food and is extremely kid friendly. From 5 pm until after 7 the place is packed with folks and their kids. Kids love it, the staff gets it and the place is packed when other restaurants are empty. The parents are gone by 8 and normal people can dine.
CakeGrrl
(10,611 posts)It's nice to consider people who are secondarily affected by unruly kids. And it's offset by the fact that they have very family-friendly establishments. I don't see why it's surprising that they would cater to both full families and adults-only.
My hairdresser does not allow children into her establishment unless they're having their hair done, in part due to the fact that the parent, especially while sitting in the shampoo chair or under the dryer, cannot manage the child and keep them from poking around and getting into things. She doesn't want to incur any liability, and she has the right to display her hair products and have other items accessible as she sees fit.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)That being,done, if we could get only adults to act civil and mature in public too, I'd start going out to eat again (adults acting out far more often and far more dramatically in public than children do)
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)The regulars love it, but you would be amazed at the number of people who raise a stink when they are politely told they cannot be seated in the back section because they have kids. They act like they just had fire hoses turned on them.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)There are some places where kids don't need to be.
That said, whenever I encounter brattiness anywhere, it's more often than not aided and abetted by parental indulgence and/or inattention. But when I'm trying to enjoy a meal out, I really don't care what the reason is. I can tolerate it to a point if the venue is kid-friendly, but as I said, kids don't need to go everywhere adults do.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)that allow smoking don't allow anyone under 21.I pretty much just go to those places exclusively for both reasons.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)It would be nice not to have to listen to the whining and crying.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)but I will keep them to myself.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)I was the bad guy in that one and I felt like a jackass supreme, especially given the experience people expect at a sushi restaurant.
I got no problem with this.
PB
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)There are tons of businesses which cater to children. Nothing wrong with those that cater to adults.
Apophis
(1,407 posts)NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)but in all fairness, I wonder how big a sushi bar is with the under-18 crowd anyway.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Sheldon Cooper
(3,724 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,784 posts)On a saturday, at a really nice upscale chinese restaurant around 7. We had gotten a sitter for our toddler. This was a very rare event. I hadn't seen the inside of a restaurant for months.
Great big open quiet place. We get a glass of wine, I hear the door open and the shrieking begins, and doesn't let up. They are seated, with the baby in the car seat right on top of the table, about 20 feet from us, and make no attempt to soothe the baby. They just ignore it and pick up their menus.
Continuous full-bore screaming.
We called the owner over and asked if they were going to tolerate it, and they shrugged, like, what can we do?
So, I told him it was either us or them. He shrugged again, and we bolted.
I would have loved to find out how much business they lost that night. We were the first ones seated. Everyone else heard the screaming from the sidewalk.
Poor baby.
JCMach1
(27,585 posts)at restaurants all involved adults...
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)Or at least 13+... or even 5+.