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deminks

(11,018 posts)
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:14 PM Jun 2013

Are KKKarl Rove & GOP behind IRS scandal?

http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/mark_segal/Are_Karl_Rove__GOP_behind_IRS_Scandal.html


We know the Republican Congress is in a tizzy about the IRS looking into requests for IRS Tax exemptions for organizations named "Tea Party" and other conservative labels. They even had some hearings on them, attempting to tie the White House and President Obama to the scene. But as hard as they try, they simply cannot, since the White House had no knowledge of the incidents until told by the Inspector General. But wait. If President Obama, the White House and Democrats had nothing to do with something that seems so political, what about the Republicans?


Rather than the guessing game that the Republican Congress wants to play,let's take a look at the facts, firstly from the hearings themselves. Democrats were not allowed to have any information gathered by the committee's staff or the list of witnesses in advance. That is highly unusual in a Congressional hearing. Why all the Republican control? To further the point, last week an eye opening report revealed that Congressman Darrell Issa, the House Oversight Committee chairman who made all the charges against the White House, actually knew about the Inspector General's report before them, the people he was accusing. Remember that this is the same committee that falsified White House emails during the hearings on Benghazi.

(snip)


Step in Rove, a man who would step on your grandmother's grave to win an election. He knows all the IRS players, he helped appoint some of them in his days in Bush's White House. In fact, many in formal Republican circles did, too. Isn't it time to summon those phone and email logs from those Bush-era IRS appointees? Unless, of course, they have something to hide.


(end snip)

An interesting question, indeed.
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Andy823

(11,495 posts)
1. I tend to agree
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 02:29 PM
Jun 2013

Rove is as dirty as they come, and since he is at odds with the "tea party" anyway, I have thought that he was behind the whole "targeting" of the tea party groups, and figured he could blame it all on the president and get a two for one deal going. With the tea party lawsuits, which I am sure he is fine with, the tea party will have to open up their records and that could mean trouble for them, something Karl would love to see. He also knows that even though the president was not involve the media would take the "suggestion" the he is and run with it which would mean the so called "scandals" would keep a negative spin on things for some time, at least that's what he would hope happens.

I agree with the article, lets get the emails from the republican guy who was in charge, and any other republican in the IRS management that could have been working with Rove and the republicans to come up with this "scandal"!

IggleDoer

(1,186 posts)
4. So let's see now ..
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:19 PM
Jun 2013

A Bush Administration nominee wants to make the Dems look bad.

"Suggests" that some underling check out some Repub oriented 501c3s. The underlings don't get fired (or even subpoenaed).

Arranges to announce that it was happening at a public Q&A by a "plant".

Then pleads the Fifth!

No, that couldn't be a set up.

dmr

(28,351 posts)
5. Cheney made Bush* appointees permanent before they left office.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 03:53 PM
Jun 2013

I don't know how many or which agencies, but my thought then and my thought now is they made perfect moles embedded to sabotage or keep the neo-cons informed of goings on.

I believe this with all my being.

Imagine if this administration was any where near corrupt as the Bush*/Cheney Shadow Government.

Oh man, Issa would be creaming his jeans.

President Obama is not perfect, but he is a good man. Because of this, they can only nit-pick - or have the moles screw things up.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
7. I have been thinking the same thing.
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:29 PM
Jun 2013

They want to bring down anything that stands in the way of their ability to buy every election in America, IMHO.

librechik

(30,678 posts)
8. yes, and more so re the new "convention videos" "scandal"
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 04:36 PM
Jun 2013

I would like to know how much Microsoft spent last year on that sort of corporate morale building stuff. Plenty more than 50 million, I'll bet...

It's yppie bullshit, but still not a crime or even a scandal.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
9. Karl Rove, As They Say, Has a History
Mon Jun 3, 2013, 07:50 PM
Jun 2013
September 30, 2003

Karl Rove, As They Say, Has a History

BUZZFLASH: Now tell me -� getting back to the election of George Bush to the governorship, let's go back even before that, as Rove is positioning things for the Republicans to solidify their control in Texas. In the book Bush's Brain, you devote considerable time to this period, and it's just absolutely fascinating to read -- a case study of how Rove dislodged Jim Hightower as Agricultural Commissioner, and you bring up this curious relationship between Rove and an FBI agent, Greg Rampton.

MOORE: Karl first met Greg Rampton in 1986 when Karl bugged his own office, and Rampton was one of the FBI guys who came to his office to investigate. Rampton had been stationed in Austin for a few years and was part of an investigation that was setting up these phony bribes for state officials. And he went after a number of state officials there, and got some trials but no convictions.

Anyway, my belief is that somehow, during the course of the phony bugging investigation in Karl's office, Rove discovered that he and Greg Rampton were politically sympathetic with each other. And Greg Rampton ended up investigating every Democratic officeholder on a statewide basis in Texas, and never got anything against any of them. And they went after Jim Hightower, the Agriculture Commissioner, and were interviewing dozens of people at the Ag Commissioner's office, hoping to get Jim Hightower indicted, but they couldn't...

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/30_rove.html

That would certainly fit with the Rovian modus operandi.

MinM

(2,650 posts)
10. BTW it would not surprise me if Rove...
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:40 AM
Jun 2013

and/or Cheney moles/stay behinds .. are behind some of the other "Scandals."

MinM

(2,650 posts)
13. IRS Manager Behind Tea Party Screening is a "Conservative Republican"
Mon Jun 10, 2013, 12:23 PM
Jun 2013
@steveweinstein: IRS Manager Behind Tea Party Screening is a "Conservative Republican"

https://twitter.com/steveweinstein/status/344117894671646720

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
12. The Re-Energized "Mighty Wurlitzer"...
Tue Jun 4, 2013, 08:52 AM
Jun 2013

...the similarity to these "scandals" and those of the Clinton years are very similar. They're ginned up by a partisan media led by faux noise and hate radio and now blasted with social media and blogs. It's creating a "controversy" and let the conspiracies run wild. It's throwing charges and rumors and lies to create a narrative of an administration that is corrupt or over its head.

The game is based on the premise that a lie will travel the globe before the truth gets its pants on. Thus a story of IRS targeting or DOJ spying gets sensational headlines for several news cycles and when the real facts start to come out they're muted by the initial uproar. The more the administration attempts to explain the lamer they appear and it plays into the memes the rushpublicans are trying to push.

This is all a set up for next year...to paint President Obama as totally inept and the only way to "hem" him in is through electing more rushpublicans to the house and senate. The corporate media is especially compliant here...there are those in the beltway stenographer's pool whose egos have been bent or see benefit from being a "muckraker"...and thus the "scandal" stories will get legs where simple fact checking proves otherwise (witness: Jonathan Karl)...

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