CISPA, the Fourth Amendment, and you

[Paul E Ester]

Overshadowed by congressional action on guns and immigration is an Internet privacy bill that could affect most Americans, without them knowing it, on a daily basis.

Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (or CISPA) is making its way through Congress, and it’s passed a House vote on Thursday.

The final vote in the House was 248-168, as 42 Democrats voted for the bill, while 28 Republicans voted against it.
And like gun control, it’s far from a done deal after the House passes CISPA. It would need Senate approval, and President Barack Obama has indicated he’ll possibly veto CISPA if it comes to his desk.

Both sides of Congress would need to muster a two-thirds majority vote to override the president’s veto, which would seem unlikely in the current political atmosphere of Washington.

At the heart of CISPA is a Fourth Amendment issue.

The amendment reads:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

http://news.yahoo.com/cispa-fourth-amendment-143420272.htmlhttp://news.yahoo.com/cispa-fourth-amendment-143420272.html

[graham4anything]

1. What side is the NRA on with this issue? Sounds like a pseudo gun issue possiblity

especially if they reinterpret the 2nd

[Paul E Ester]

2. I assume they support it because it sounds like they helped shape it.

Other amendments that were approved for discussion during the floor debate include one (PDF) that restricts when federal agencies may vacuum up library records, firearm-sales records, educational records, and medical records. Another (PDF) says CISPA will not authorize the NSA or any other spy agencies "to target a United States person for surveillance."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57579958-38/cispa-vote-means-companies-cant-promise-to-protect-privacy/

[graham4anything]

4. Then not sure of the wording, but whatever side they are on, I am against it.

If they are for, I am against
If they are against, I am for

So it appears they are for it I think.

The NRA should be transparent.
They really hide behind all other things they really don't care about, all for their beloved guns and bullets.

Glad I caught on to this.

[Paul E Ester]

5. From what I heard CISPA is the most important project of the NRA and gun lovers everywhere.

Help us kill it graham4anything. W00t!

[graham4anything]

7. When one asks a question, one expects the answer to be appropriate

Why do I feel a gotcha is here?

[Paul E Ester]

9. Cause it's probably not the most important project of the NRA but we need your help anyway!..nt

[Paul E Ester]

10. Here is some background from a quick search.

This bill is a bit of a zombie, it was proposed back in aug, 2012 and killed.

One of the complaints then was that they could search your firearms purchase records.

The new bill got an exemption to that. Regardless it's a crap bill that will force skinner to let the FBI troll your DU mail whenever.

It's crap.

You can read the gun complaints from last year here...

http://www.ammoland.com/2012/04/cispa-putting-gun-owner-privacy-at-stake/#axzz2Qs9vis6T

[pipoman]

3. The SCOTUS better

get right on review of this law..there should be as many threads here on this issue as on gun control, but alas..

[graham4anything]

6. It sounds like this is 100% a gun issue. The NRA is wanting to prevent a reinterpretation of the 2nd

and if the reinterpretation of the 2nd comes, it seems they want to then use this.

I think this maybe should be tabled for a few years

Transparency in what this is, needs to be looked at.

[pipoman]

8. I never quite know what you are talking about. n/t

[GoneOffShore]

13. I can't figure it out either.

It reminds me of Ourobouros.

[Skip Intro]

11. DU should be all over this. The people of this nation sould be all over this.

We're all distracted, but evidently ready for new restrictions on our Constitutional rights, cheering for those restrictions in some instances.

An attack on our liberties and rights began, or escalated to new heights with the bushco/9*11/torture-spying-wiretapping-Patriot Act style bs. It seems to be continuing to this day.

We as a nation are going to have to decide how much we really value our freedom and individual liberties, and if they are still worth fighting for. Because I see a ton of efforts to restrict those freedoms, usually in the name of safety and security. And it ain't gonna stop unless we all decide we aren't going to stand for it.

[diabeticman]

12. again! This bill isn't really protecting artists like it claims it's lining pockets or publishers

and the like