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sasha031
(6,700 posts)such a cute baby
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I'm not even tempted to go back.
sasha031
(6,700 posts)I guess some of us are more sensitive to the suffering of others.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)Plants feel pain and insects and mice get hurt during harvest. Therefore, you simply shouldn't eat.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Agriculture leads to a direct, measurable loss on habitat and biodiversity. Ironically, it is a foraging approach (which includes killing) that preserves land that can support animal life in addition to humans.
Therefore, you simply shouldn't eat.
If one is worried about all suffering aside from yours, sure. But in reality, suffering is a part of life. Its a part of the natural system when it is in balance and healthy. That does not make increasing its magnitude permissible, as that would destroy the balance that supports all life.
villager
(26,001 posts)The point is, given the food production systems we have, short of entirely harvesting our own, the goal is to support a teetering, cruel -- poisonous -- system as little as realistically possible.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)I don't have a solution. Earth does. That solution is climate change. Billions upon billions will die of famine by the century's end.
Now, when that happens, I have a new approach (which is an old approach). Get out there and get your own damn meat if you want it, in such a way that your children will have a chance at that meat as well. Otherwise, get your own veggies and fruit without tilling up the land to do it. We need to figure out how to support what is left of us without destroying the earth to do it--if that takes killing off agriculture in its current form, Im good with that (there are some viable horticultural approaches we could always implement).
Either we will figure it out upon the reboot or we wont. We likely wont.
sasha031
(6,700 posts)I wasn't speaking to you or nobodyspecial
For years I practiced Buddhism, it is my choice to become a vegan, & as said earlier never looked backed.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)For years I practiced Buddhism, it is my choice to become a vegan, & as said earlier never looked backed.
That's great for you. I'm still not sure how that avoids perpetrating suffering and harm. Wouldn't ascribing to ahimsa deter one from any practice that either directly or indirectly contributes to harm? Or is our agricultural system not harming other life?
And by no means is this a personal attack...sure, you may have developed some non-carbon, organic, biodiversity enhancing method of developing food with a positive impact on all living creatures around you. Many simply head to the grocery store. I bring this up to invoke thought into the grocery store hunters.
sasha031
(6,700 posts)" Wouldn't ascribing to ahimsa deter one from any practice that either directly or indirectly contributes to harm? Or is our agricultural system not harming other life?"
That's a very good point and I have thought it that, suppose that we all take something away from someone or something else in order to survive. But to me all animals are sentient in nature (probably all life) The carbon footprint thought came later, as well the knowledge of the horrors of factory farming.
Sorry if I was on the defensive on one of my posts, think I've become a bit of a kneejerker at times.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)But I understand that when I goto the veggie department, those veggies don't come from a fairy's wand. They come from a piece of land animals used to live at.
I have many thoughts on animals, and I find them incredible and very beautiful; they are probably far more sentient than we give them credit for. More often than not, I will hold a 35 pound chinook in my hands, pet it, look it into the eyes, and let it spawn. Occasionally I will finish it quickly, and be thankful that I don't have to supplement my family' meals with food created through environmental devastation. Understanding the beauty of such an animal doesn't stop me from killing it, but rather practicing safe angling habits and trying to promote their habitat through conservation practices. Its a complicated line to tread, being part of this system. In any case, nature is going to work out this problem soon enough
No prob on the defensive bit.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Not to get gross, but that's how their seed, aka offspring, are spread.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)And deer want to die from loss of habitat?
How do we know pigs don't want to be eaten, so that humans find them tasty and spread them around everywhere?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Trees aren't eaten when they are cut down, nor can they consciously sacrifice themselves for carrots.
You think pigs or any other sentient being should willingly let themselves be slaughtered to provide a good meal for complete strangers? Then why don't you volunteer first to set that example?
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)This is reality, and it isn't ridiculous. Trees support life. They support life of deer, of wolves, of foxes, of squirrels, of everything in the entire ecosystem (including mycelium, insects and worms).
When you destroy forests for monocropping, to feed humans, you destroy all life that those forests support. I don't give a damn if you think trees aren't conscious enough to care about. They are an important part of the ecosystem that gives our planet life. Deforestation for agricultural purposes has create a real amount of suffering among life you deem important enough to care about.
You think pigs or any other sentient being should willingly let themselves be slaughtered to provide a good meal for complete strangers
In my opinion, not so much. They should be allowed to fight for their freedom in the wild. Whoever wins, wins.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Also, would agree with your last statement, except it's not a fair fight anymore. No animal has a chance in the wild unless the hunter uses a bow and arrow. And factory farms are just plain evil.
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)Rifles aren't really as revolutionary--for the purposes of hunting--as many may believe. Rather, they may have simply allowed humans to focus on other skill development by giving them an easy aid in this one focus. Its never been a fair fight...a gazelle does not have a "fair" fight against a cheeta, nor does a snake against an eagle. System balance is not dependent upon balance in every creature, but from the interaction of all creatures.
But we have gotten to a bad place now...agriculture allowed mass overshoot and loss of wildlife. We have too many people, and not enough game. Thats the real situation...there is no sustainable path forward, and most certainly not in the face of climate change, which will reduce both wild game and crop yields.
And factory farms are just plain evil.
I don't really ascribe to the term "evil", but they are most incredibly unsustainable and devastating for the environment. Though, all farming is to one degree or another.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)When I was a child in Texas, long before "fake" meats existed I wanted to stop eating meat. All I had to learn was that animals I loved were being killed for dinner. Unfortunately, an all vegetable diet was just too hard in my carnivorous family and community. But I'm there now!
sasha031
(6,700 posts)Forever feeling this deep seeded guilt at dinner time. I'm sorry it took so long to realize some of us are meant to be vegan
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)There are so many non-meat choices that are truly delicious.
sasha031
(6,700 posts)meat eater have no idea, how many choices there are. They're are clueless on how unhealthy it is to be a carnivore.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Seafood is the only "meat" that modern medicine recognizes to be not potentially lethal.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)While I don't eat land animals, I don't think dressing them up as humans would make me any less likely.
Dress a gazelle up as a anything, and a cheeta will be sure to chase it down and eat it anyway.
Eating those below you on the food chain in somewhat natural. Raising them for slaughter is not in my opinion.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Vegetarian already. Thanks for the darling pic though.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I'd not be able to resist snuggles and kisses.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)CUTE OVERLOAD!!!
http://cuteoverload.com/
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Thanks for the link!
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I'm a longtime Cute Overload fan.
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Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I only asked because as soon a I posted it I thought of them too!
Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,512 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)even the most gruesome and stomach turning images, usually posted by PETA people, have not turned me against eating meat.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)And I don't have any problem with others who eat animals that I won't eat because I find them cute.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Fla_Democrat
(2,547 posts)is all Flashdance.
NutmegYankee
(16,204 posts)When it grows up, not so much.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Just look at those happy faces!
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lame54
(35,345 posts)unblock
(52,489 posts)actually, i don't eat meat (well, fish is ok), but i have no problem with the idea of eating other animals, and i have no objections or reservations whatsoever about other people doing it. i don't mind watching them eat it; hell, i wouldn't even mind cooking it for them.
i don't eat meat primarily for health reasons, and secondarily due to doubts about the way most meat is raised and processed.
if i were to eat go back to eating meat, i would actually prefer to eat the cuter animals rather than the gross-looking animals....
OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)....I know, I know...that was cruel.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)but I'm used to it.
earthside
(6,960 posts)OldDem2012
(3,526 posts)NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)I'll never eat Brussels sprouts again! Couldn't stand 'em before, either.
--imm
stklurker
(180 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)I haven't had meat since I was 16 over a hundred years ago.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)...and I believe we MUST do all we can to minimize the suffering of animals raised for food, but a cute photo isn't going to undo millions of years of dietary evolution, I'm afraid.
legaleagle_45
(43 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)And I've even got a little bit of bacon in my cobb salad.
Robb
(39,665 posts)"You can't kill him if he's wearing people clothes!!"
dballance
(5,756 posts)But 200-300 pounds later when it's rolling in the mud it just looks like ham, bacon, and pork chops to me.
NickB79
(19,297 posts)And I know that in a year that cute little piggy is going to be a big, mean, loud, smelly, ornery son of a bitch that would probably try to take a bite out of your leg if you turned your back on him/her.
God I hate pigs.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)So there!
Sissyk
(12,665 posts)Where do they waller??? lol!
NoOneMan
(4,795 posts)My friend used to raise them, so I was around them quite a bit as a child. Disgusting and mean little things by my standards. But you might be pissed being couped up in a shitty pen most of your life.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)those big, mean, loud, smelly, ornery son(s) of a bitch just weren't being raised in a nurturing, loving environment. Tell the truth now, did you ever really tell them that you loved them?
And dude please, the preferred nomenclature is sow. The B word is unacceptable!
aikoaiko
(34,186 posts)I won't put up pics, but suckling pig is darn good eating.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)they can definitely make them for piglets.
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Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)OmahaBlueDog
(10,000 posts)However, nothing will induce me to give up beef. No cow is that cute.
Crepuscular
(1,057 posts)They taste better if you take the clothes off them before cooking.
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greytdemocrat
(3,299 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)this little piggy will be mighty tasty come the middle of winter .
No, this won't stop me. Ever cut a chicken's head off at 20 below zero and then gut it with the steam pouring out? We were poor when I was in elementary school, and the eggs from the chickens were are primary source of protein one winter... when one stopped laying, it went in the pressure cooker. Hell, one time, I remember a deer was hit out front of our house in the middle of the night. A trooper showed up, gave us a tag, and at 2 a.m., we were cutting it up.
If that didn't stop me from eating meat, not much will.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)that was a lot more than I wanted to know.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)Why are they made out of meat?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)just asking
But being on the top of the food chain means we get eaten by those predators at the very bottom of the food chain... bacteria, maggots and similarly unsavory beasties.
MoonRiver
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liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)All living things die. As Simba and Mufasa would say and Elton John would sing, it is the circle of life.
FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Dressed and cut, it should provide about 130 lbs of excellent pork.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)Deep13
(39,154 posts)...since some folks that I like and hold in high esteem are vegans. Of course I can say the same thing about Evangelicals and adherents of astrology.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
EastKYLiberal
(429 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)I'm not a big fan of pork actually, but I do eat meat.
Xipe Totec
(43,892 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)Or course, there's even video:
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)definitely do make me less likely to eat meat. I am not a vegetarian, nor do I really want to be, but I definitely try to limit my consumption of dead animals. If such images have zero impact on you I think that's pretty strange.
The picture in the OP, though, is just cute and I don't really connect it to food.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Llewlladdwr
(2,165 posts)A pig is not a person no matter how much one pretends otherwise
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Everyone has their place.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)flvegan
(64,425 posts)Ego is a funny thing. Thinking is something else aside.
Emotion. LOL.
cali196lib99
(2 posts)I love eating meat. And that cute little piggy would make for a fantastic meal. No offense to any vegetarians.