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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAre you sick of getting hosed at every turn?
I am. I've really had it.
You?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)"You can play ball and good things can happen to you get a big pot of gold at the end of the Wall Street rainbow or you can do your job be aggressive and face personal ruin...We really need to rethink how we govern and how regulate." -- Neil Barofsky
loudsue
(14,087 posts)Buy-partisanship. No joke.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)It's the way the money party has set us up...and by the "money party", I mean both parties.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)gussmith
(280 posts)Why, why, why is defense spending so off the table? We could spend the entire federal budget on defense and there would always be a supposed 'need' for more funding. I want a leader who is not afraid to ask the rest of the world to significantly help shoulder the burden of the world's defense. Let's demand it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)ass fucking games. These people in office are the most disgraceful corrupt pigs I have ever seen in my life. And that's not just republicans, that's both fucking sides. To hell with them. The day a deal is reached is the day I change from a Democrat to any other party. A pox on both their houses.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)started calling myself an independent about a year ago.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)So yeah, it's the same shit, different day.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Last edited Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:57 PM - Edit history (1)
He thinks the rest of us are just going to have to accept it.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)Americans are in a box, and those that don't get it lack the ability to see outta their box. And some climb in and close the lid over themselves ...
leveymg
(36,418 posts)ion.
Just goes to show why so many Americans are so alienated from their government that almost half don't vote.
If we had a truly representative democracy, we would need Center-Left and Far Left parties to balance that out. Like most of Europe.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)is often marginal. The D's today are like the R's of my youth in many ways. And many of the D's today have no guts to stand their ground. If the D's drove a stake in the ground and said this is it, we aren't budging, I think more individuals would be with the D's. As it is, it's mushy and is a constant tit for tat. I'm not even sure what the democratic party stands for sometimes, anymore.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)The Republicans are cowards, theres no way a President Romney would want his legacy to be as the President who first cut Social Security.
Tea Party would, but not a straight laced Republican like Mittens.
Only a Democrat would dare.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)one of the huge differentiators between R's and D's. Quite often I have well educated individuals question why they should bother to vote, that in many ways R's and D's are often the same when it comes to big $$$$$, and "we the people" interests and desires take a back seat. As one of my really astute friends once said, does anyone really think most congressmen really relate to them when most are millionaires ... so, you get lip service from them.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)two party government means "Heads I win tails you lose."
merrily
(45,251 posts)Democrats would have stopped him, just as they stopped Bush.
Democrats will not stop Obama, though.
merrily
(45,251 posts)He just got re-elected, didn't he? And a lot of people who complained about him for four years or more voted for him for the second time.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)He often deals directly with Republican leadership then uses the whips or Biden to get everyone in line to go along with it.
Not a bad tactic unless, as has happened over the last few years, Democratic representatives have been at odds with the deals the President has been "negotiating".
Great way to rip apart the party from within and excellent way to depress Democratic voter turnout in general. This goes way beyond Third Way ideology into a territory I don't think anyone would have reasonably thought possible back in the 90's, say.
PB
jsr
(7,712 posts)to drive out the meddlesome "purists".
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)It backfired badly when he used it on Elizabeth Warren.
She's b-a-a-a-a-a-a-c-k!
leftstreet
(36,117 posts)Interesting
merrily
(45,251 posts)Sadly, I don't think this is about Obama.
ETA. Meaning, if it were about only Obama, it would end in 2016. The Party has been at war with itself a long time. Many Democrats are just waking up to that now, although quite a few spotted it during the Clinton years.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)but it's the hoser I'm sick of
donheld
(21,311 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)and keep being surprised when they screw people over.
Thanks for asking though
merrily
(45,251 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)Nope. I'm sick of something else, entirely.
Why don't you tell us exactly what it is that you're sick of? I'm sick of posts that contain no content. Be specific, Manny, and lay it out for us. Don't make us guess. Who is "hosing" you? How are you being "hosed?" What are you planning to do to get out of this "hosing," exactly?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Meanwhile income for average Americans has been flat since 1972 or so while American productivity has continued to climb.
And yet here we are talking about austerity and cutting SS, Obama is either deliberately scaring and inflaming the powerless who depend on entitlements or he is serious.
You are a very intelligent person I have little doubt that you'll be able to make the connection.
MineralMan
(146,338 posts)If not, you can't answer my question. I was asking Manny.
I've seen your graph. It's interesting and indicates an imbalance. Did you think I did not know about that? Surely not. That flattening began during Ronald Reagan's administration, and has not yet been corrected. Was that what you were trying to point out?
But, you are not Manny, and cannot answer my question to him.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Touchy are we?
This is a discussion board, if you don't want to have a discussion then refrain from posting because I'm going to reply to any public post that I wish.
We have had three Democratic administrations in the course of that graph and are heading into a fourth with no evidence that the slope of the lines is going to change except for the worse.
That's the middle class and poor getting hosed, big time.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)MineralMan
(146,338 posts)I will respond, of course.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Otherwise how can I know that you added a question?
I'm on a phone now, tough to type long stuff. Will respond later.
Jim Warren
(2,736 posts)...
merrily
(45,251 posts)Jim Warren
(2,736 posts)Ask a legitimate question, get a one liner response that in no way offers anything back nor toward the larger issue posed by the OP. No wonder nothing gets done and things are stagnate.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)As long as Big Money is around to bribe politicians, we can always expect them to try to sell us out.
It's a never-ending battle doing the people's work.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)It would require at least one constitutional amendment, which would be very difficult to draft.
If one could be drafted successfully, it would then have to make it out of a Congress that likes things just as they are.
And then it would have to be ratified by two thirds of the states.
No constitutional amendment that is even slightly controversial has passed those two hurdles since the Eisenhower administration. For instance, an amendment saying only that women have equal rights has failed to get ratified and is still floating in amendment limbo, like so many other attempted amendments.
Oh, and opening up the Constitution for one amendment often results in about forty other things getting tagged on to the proposed amendment. Do you really want that nowadays?
forestpath
(3,102 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)A Reagan Republican...who ran as a Democrat.
merrily
(45,251 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)We so desperately needed someone to the left of ... of damn near everyone in America's current policital scene.
We so needed a different candidate for the White House.
jsr
(7,712 posts)the way cat food is an acquired taste.
AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)It might be helpful.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)interests with the OWS movement. They bribed the NY police officers with a 20 million donation to their retirement fund. That is why the white shirted supervisors pepper sprayed those women who were already corralled by the blue shirted rank and file. Our two political parties in D.C.bare just like the Harlem Globbetrotters and the Washington Generals. They are both owned by the same people. The mistake most make is that they believe we stand a chance or have a say in what happens. Recently they pushed too hard too fast and nakedly showed their goals with Rmoney. Then Obama looks better by comparison. The only problem is, he is one of them! Don't believe me, ask the victims of the BP oil spill! There never was 20 billion in a fund. Obama needed this off of his back before the mid-terms. Currently, the Judge is doing his best to shove every claim in a rigged "Class Action" settlement agreement written by BP. Meanwhile, Gulf seafood is dying.
As long as they do it incrementally, and keep us divided over B.S. issues, we will not get enough of the ignorant bastards off of their couches and away from Fox Noise and the other corporate media to get our government back! The only issue right now should be complete campaign finance reform. Until we have that, we have nothing but bad! DU should only focus it's efforts on this issue until it happens. I'll keep dreaming of Representative Democracy and what that would be like b/c I don't think it will happen in my lifetime!
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... the lying liars that blindly defend the SOS out of some sort of twisted "party loyalty."
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Jim Warren
(2,736 posts)but they know, all politicians that is, there isn't a damn thing you will do about it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Let's think about how to do that.
limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)The housing bubble and the mess we are in. Who is calling for Glass/Steagal (sp)? How is the war crimes investigation going for lying us into war where the 1% made off like the bandits they are? When their are people (used loosely to include corporations), who are above the law, we no longer have a Democracy! I get tired of the people who believe in the Big Lie but call themselves Democrats, Progressives, or Liberals. I will admit to my own failings b/c I sometimes forget myself that this is not real until they pull the curtain back again like Obama is doing now! Please, I beg of you, recognize what is truly going on and wake the fu*k up! I promise not to forget again. The following will be my response to everything from now on!
CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!
vi5
(13,305 posts)Remember when the Healthcare debate was raging and many of us were insistent that Obama get more involved and actually negotiate and use his resources as president to get in the thick of things? And we were told repeatedly "He's the president! He's not congress. He can't negotiate. That's their job. All he can do is either sign or veto legislation. Why don't you all understand how government works?!?!?"
So o.k.......then why is he the one negotiating now? Why isn't it Harry Reid and John Boehner? Why isnt it Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner? Did the way government works change since the Healthcare debate and nobody told me? Is the president now all of a sudden the one who has to negotiate?
bigtree
(86,008 posts)Do you realize how diverse the needs and concerns of the folks here are. Do you have any idea how challenging some of our lives actually are?
I'm not a fan of these types of expressions of despair that don't appear to have any meaningful, personal core. Is there something specific about your life that you're trying to relate to all of the hyperbole you're dropping here (lately)? I could relate to that.
Is this sympathy for folks out here truly being 'hosed' by the things you complain about? Is it support? It reads like you're angling to breed cynicism and generate more of your particular brand of political despair. Maybe not . . .
Politics and our legislative system of government will never be something you can take for granted. I wouldn't recommend 'tiring' if you hope to make any difference at all. As my old friend, Guy Washington used to say, 'Good always leaves, but bad comes to stay.'
We must care enough to involve ourselves in every instigation of democracy which confronts us. Our government is a reflection of everything we choose to neglect along with every cynical impulse we project. As the saying goes, "cynicism is a luxury."
Those in power who are motivated by greed will show up every day to collect their share, and ours as well. We cannot afford to turn away and let all of the negative influences have the floor to themselves. We have to come to grips with our individual responsibility to vigilance. We have to show up every day to make certain the government is representing all of the people; not just the corporate few who show up every day to collect our money. They will always fill the halls of Congress with their favors, bribes, and obstruction.
Through our virtue and our vigilance we must keep ourselves informed about those issues and concerns which we entrust to the bidding of those in Congress; and we must thoroughly involve ourselves in the process of resolving those issues and concerns in tandem with our legislators by challenging ourselves to read, watch and listen with a respect and a desire for understanding of differing views and opinions in our deliberation and debate. We shouldn't be discouraged or deterred from the essential exercise of our democracy by appeals to fear or cynicism.
socialindependocrat
(1,372 posts)As I read the posts on DU i continue to learn more and more about how screwed up
so many things are.
I too, used to get disheartened by people at work who said - You shouldn't rock the boat -
and a whole lot of other things that said to me that they accepted that they would all die
in the salt mines.
Your post did me a lot of good. That's just the way things are. We need to continue to push and
prod in order to continue to accomplish what we can.
We also, need to keep a list of all the sucesses we've had in keeping a foreward movement to
becoming a better country, reelecting Obama and keeping the Teabags at bay.
there's a lot more to say but - Thanks for your efforts!
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)social security.
how to parse that gap, i guess we'll cut social security.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)We must care enough to involve ourselves in every instigation of democracy which confronts us. Our government is a reflection of everything we choose to neglect along with every cynical impulse we project. As the saying goes, "cynicism is a luxury."
Those in power who are motivated by greed will show up every day to collect their share, and ours as well. We cannot afford to turn away and let all of the negative influences have the floor to themselves. We have to come to grips with our individual responsibility to vigilance. We have to show up every day to make certain the government is representing all of the people; not just the corporate few who show up every day to collect our money. They will always fill the halls of Congress with their favors, bribes, and obstruction.
Through our virtue and our vigilance we must keep ourselves informed about those issues and concerns which we entrust to the bidding of those in Congress; and we must thoroughly involve ourselves in the process of resolving those issues and concerns in tandem with our legislators by challenging ourselves to read, watch and listen with a respect and a desire for understanding of differing views and opinions in our deliberation and debate. We shouldn't be discouraged or deterred from the essential exercise of our democracy by appeals to fear or cynicism.
When you use other peoples writings, you should give them credit:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ron_full_061022_in_our_own_hands.htm
It appears you've used this author's work several times over the past few years and only attributed these specific paragraphs to him once. It gives one the impression they're actually your words, when in fact they are not.
bigtree
(86,008 posts)name's in my journal and in numerous posts(archives)
And, yes, that is a revised excerpt from my 2004 book, 'Power of Mischief': Military Industry Executives are Making Bush Policy and the Country is Paying the Price
And that is very much my own writing. It is, in fact, the preface for my book.
I also wrote 261 articles for OpEd News : http://www.opednews.com/author/author176.html
Oh, yeah . . . HA!
bigtree
(86,008 posts)Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I've never seen you use your real name before. Your journal post appears to just be a copy and paste of the original OpEdNews post. How odd that you write mainly about Iraq and Afghanistan, yet still find time to continually mock little old us on a discussion board. Very very odd.
bigtree
(86,008 posts)I came to DU out of concern over the Bush push into Iraq and have literally grown as a writer here at DU.
I wonder how you'd manage here, just with folks who agree with you all of the time. Who would you bait?
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)I didn't know you were Don Fullwood and was merely protecting the integrity of your own words. LOL You're a very good writer and seem to have a good grasp of things, except when it comes to Obama. Your worship of him, IMHO, is way over the top and myopic.
Response to Oilwellian (Reply #145)
bigtree This message was self-deleted by its author.
bigtree
(86,008 posts). . .but you're a bit 'myopic' yourself if you think that posts here are a true and accurate measure of what folks here feel, think, and believe. We have many more dimensions than what we choose to post on the internet.
So, I choose to focus on the more positive aspects of the administration. So what? Isn't there more than enough criticism here? The need I find that I can fill is to try and represent the administration's position. Why wouldn't you want to get an accurate picture of the President's intentions and actions? At any rate, it's a direction I've deliberately chosen; much of the reason having to do with over-the-top, nonfactual posts like this op.
I'd think you'd be clever enough to see that the core of what I believe went into my most public expressions (the articles and the book) and DU is used by me as a more inconsequential outlet. Don't fall into the trap of believing that folks here can be credibly defined by the tit-for-tat posting here on this internet message board. You MUST be smarter than that.
bigtree
(86,008 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)waiting for our illustrious officials to give me that last shove.
WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)I feel exactly the same way.
Initech
(100,107 posts)I'm really becoming convinced that money addiction and wealth hoarding is a mental disorder and should be classified as such.
Not Sure
(735 posts)d_b
(7,463 posts)Not Sure
(735 posts)But I won't have to, because my side will give in to the fucking lunatics on the Republican side. Their side can hold out, no matter how long it takes, because the people buying their elections aren't hurting, they don't need SS or other entitlements (until they piss away all their money or suffer some extremely expensive health problem) and they don't think they should have to support anyone but themselves. Somehow our side caves every time.
I'll pay more just to make sure those fucks pay their share. I don't give a fuck if I eat bread every day, the game has to go back to normal, these leeches have to pay for the blood they let. I honestly can't understand how OWS - which was ignored until it couldn't be and which remained peaceful - is the only expression of outrage we've had on this gulf between us and them. I think it's time to throw a few bricks through a few windows.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)And general strikes.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I'm glad you're on our side!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Someone has to report it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)DissidentVoice
(813 posts)I am a socialist; a European/Canadian style social democrat. Think Old Labour in the UK or the New Democratic Party in Canada...or the New Deal era Democratic Party!
That gets me tarred and feathered verbally and online by all those for whom Joe McCarthy is on a pedestal. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk have poisoned the term, just as they have "liberal."
But to hell with them. I don't care.
I believe in universal, single-payer health care.
I believe in the right of workers to organise.
I am a Christian but don't believe my religion gives me or the government the right to make a decision for another person.
I believe that "employment-at-will" makes workers - human beings - a disposable commodity.
I believe that the DLC has been at best, a questionable influence on the Democratic Party, because it just tries to be "Repub lite;" no, we're not really liberals, we love God, Guns, Guts, Apple Pie and the Flag, just like the Republicans!
I would like to see Bernie Sanders' influence spread throughout the Democratic Party.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)about the people who elected him.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)or Gingrich, or Perry, or Bachmann, or Cain, or Huntsman, or Pawlenty... or any other Republican who would supposedly be SO much worse than Obama that Obama can't be criticized for even his worst policies and actions?
(sarcasm smiley needed?)
bowens43
(16,064 posts)the would you rather have romeny argument is bullshit.
MNBrewer
(8,462 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)And now you seem to be the prophet.
Personally, I'm waiting to see the final deal, if there is one, but the final outcome anyway. If Social Security takes a hit, you will be vidicated and everyone who made you the pariah leading up to it will owe you an apology.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... ALL of his detractors. But don't expect that they will EVER admit to being wrong, much less apologize for it. It isn't in their DNA any more that it is the Freepers. Cognitive dissonance isn't just for Teapublicans anymore.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)hopeful that in the end SocSec will survive the chained CPI and any other cuts. Medicare/Medicaid also.
*Fingers crossed*
But if/when there are cuts, I expect those who denounced Manny's prediction, and whom also possess the necessary character, to offer their mea culpas.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... against holding your breath waiting for that to happen.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Respect would be nice.
Mostly, we need to get along and do the right thing together, as Democrats.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)And if your instincts are proven to be correct, I agree that we need to work together.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Not really a prediction, though - they were telling us that, loud and clear. The President, in particular, put all sorts of things into place that were clearly designed to force cuts - Simpson-Bowles, having Tim Geithner use fudged numbers to show that Social Security is not financially perfect, etc.
I hoped that I was wrong.
As to whether it will actually work, and SS will be cut - I don't think I've predicted anything other than it has a much better chance of getting cut once some Democrats are trying to do so. But there are a fair number of good Democrats who won't enable it, and people are getting increasingly upset now that they understand that "strengthening" is a code word for "handing the Trust Fund to the 1%", and there's finally some pushback.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)I mean besides continue to attack the Prez at every turn, rumor, on a daily basis.
Starting to look a lot like some kind of chronic whining from here.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)would be fitting, since my predictive track record's been pretty good - despite the abuse and whining I've received.
Second, I agree with the thrust of your statement that well done is better than well said. Now that many more Democrats know what we're really facing here, some movement may be possible.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)what are you going to DO about it?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)1. I don't know
2. I think that the time may have finally come when change can start
3. I'm thinking on it
Suggestions welcome.
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Now that you mention it. Yes I am.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Less than many, more than some. (Details over steak dinner.)
You?
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)that hasn't happened yet, I mean.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)and I look at life statistically.
The Social Security question is kind of like the Schrondinger's cat problem. I won't know if I'm hosed by the current actions until I retire. Until then, I'm hosed or not hosed but I don't know which. But I do know that the odds of my being hosed are increasing quickly due to recent actions.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Come on.
Your OP - and you last five OPs - have been about a deal that hasn't happened yet.
This OP is about that, in the end.
Don't be coy.
Be patient.
If you're right, you'll have plenty of time to crow about it.
And you'll have a steak to enjoy.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)which he has.
Further, I believe that this, in itself, is pretty bad. Tough to put toothpaste back in the tube. But yes, we don't know for sure: Schrodinger's austerity proposal.
Add it to the unceasing depression (for the 99% only, of course), NDAA, more "free" trade, bankers-uber-alles policies, corporate financial deregulation, capitulating on rolling back the Bush tax cuts or the wealthiest, proposing new taxes on the middle class...
Well, it's discouraging.
Do you think things are going well?
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)We don't know the details yet, but we do know that we will get austerity. If there is no deal, there are automatic cuts.
We should not be slashing budgets in this economy in the first place. We were hosed re: the "fiscal cliff" as soon as Obama tolerated and validated the Shock Doctrine debt ceiling SCAM last spring that put all this garbage in motion.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)lose.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)I'm getting use to it.
Liberal1975
(87 posts)Put up a visual with the poll numbers yesterday.
84 percent of the population oppose cutting Social Security benefits.84 percent means Republicans are against this.
Why wouldn't they be? They have parents and grandparents don't they?
If a program can be put on the chopping block when it is this popular what is that telling us?
Obama and Bohner are "compromising" by cutting a program that both their bases support overwhelmingly.
So this is my point...I want to believe in Obama and the democratic party I want to believe there is a way out of this feudal nightmare we are being forced into.
But if an 84 percent approval rating for a program that does not add to the deficit and is solvent for another 30 years is not enough to prevent it from being put on the chopping block because of a deficit crisis, then what are we supposed to believe?
Except that both parties have abandoned the people and represent two haves of the one percent. The one half that is smart enough to know that they need to keep sprinkling crumbs our way so we don't revolt, and the other half who is too greedy and stupid to realize even that much.
I agree Manny I'm sick of it too. Way fucking sick of it.
raccoon
(31,127 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)way Bush did for evil.
Instead, we got a president slightly to the right of Bush Sr, and who makes excuses about process for why he doesn't do what the people who voted him into office want.
But things that the rich want like trade deals, Wall Street bailouts, and drone strikes and covertly backing the overthrow of several foreign governments still happen at licketysplit speed.
rivegauche
(601 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)maybe we should start a cheerleading only forum for people who don't want to hear anything negative about Obama.
rivegauche
(601 posts)mature discussion, it's absurd hyperbole.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)pathetic.
rivegauche
(601 posts)You don't know if he "lied" to us for fuck's sake. I think it's pathetic to expect him to be Santa Claus and grant your every wish. Grow up.
I'm sick of voting for so-called democrats, so I guess we're even.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)maybe the real romney would have been a better choice then this psudo-romney at least then there would be a chance to stop his bullshit in the senate
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's EVERYWHERE, and it's getting me sick.
In some ways, I almost wish the whole damn world would end tomorrow already, and get over with all the BS.
Taverner
(55,476 posts)Yes I am pissed he caved so early - but there is literally nothing we could do
byeya
(2,842 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I hope America is, too.
HUGE K&R
Not a Fan
(98 posts)Sick to death of it.
tridim
(45,358 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Can you be specific?
tridim
(45,358 posts)Does that bother you in the least?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Even one or two would be a good start. Actual quotes with links, please.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)widen to avoid the hose
never say never
frustration often leads to new creations for a better solution
We need a mad as hell guy (for real) maybe
There should be some call soon with the present doings*
*ridiculous
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I really don't get hosed with respect to the rest of my life. So, getting hosed by politicians, yes.
pscot
(21,024 posts)I demand my fair share of abuse.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Is this 0 for 6, or 0 for 7 now?
pnwmom
(109,001 posts)saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)What we can do, as Democrats, Greens, Independents and the few remaining Republicans who get it, is missing in the comments. From Annie, "the sun will come out tomorrow"?
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)I've been thinking about the bottom line. It appears that without having greed and fear on our side, we have an uphill battle.
One doesn't win in conditions like these without casualties. And the ones who are injured are the weak and powerless. It really sucks.
All I can say is, we have a streetwise president. He's taking these pale chumps for a ride.
gussmith
(280 posts)Yes, I'm sick of it all. Look at the stock market today - down because our elected fools can not do their jobs. We have only inched forward since Obama was first elected and I blame mostly the republicans and especially their subversive tea party. Seething!!
merrily
(45,251 posts)pnwmom
(109,001 posts)I think Obama and the Dems are doing a very good job, given what they've been stuck working with.
liberal N proud
(60,347 posts)As I start to make a descent living, they eliminate my job.
There goes any pension I thought I was going to get when I started working.
There goes saving anything for retirement.
There goes affordable health care.
There goes retirement PERIOD!
They have been trying to get Social Security since it began, it sounds like they may actually take a big chunk out of this time.
It is almost like they want a nation of old people eating cat food. But have you priced cat food lately? I guess they want all the old people to just die.
merrily
(45,251 posts)j/k
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)I promised myself I would never try and kick that dam football...I know Lucy is just going to pick it up at the last second...maybe I can rush in and fool her...here we go!!!
Wash, rinse and repeat...the familiarity of it (getting fucked over by 'my govt') now keeps me from losing my lunch.