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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBreaking: Hamas announces it has accepted an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-8659eae6e0a7362504f0aa4aa4be53e0It issued a statement Monday saying its supreme leader, Ismail Haniyeh, had delivered the news in a phone call with Qatars prime minister and Egypts intelligence minister.
The two Middle Eastern nations have been mediating months of talks between Israel and Hamas.
There was no immediate comment from Israel.
Oopsie Daisy
(3,046 posts)Nevilledog
(51,641 posts)Voltaire2
(13,634 posts)Now would be a good time for the Biden administration to exert whatever influence it has.
RAB910
(3,592 posts)The world is not onboard with the killing of so many innocent people
Netanyahu has taken Israel from being on the verge of recognition by most major Arab powers to the world's biggest pariah
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,667 posts)Mossfern
(2,633 posts)until the terms are released. Just because one party accepts doesn't mean very much considering we just don't know what the deal is.
Happy Hoosier
(7,567 posts)If the terms are a pemranent cease-fire where Hamas and its murder/rape squads remains in power, I cannot see Israel agreeing to that.
maxsolomon
(33,562 posts)If this report is accurate, it looks like starting Rafah operations made Hamas change their minds - their negotiators had rejected this proposal over the weekend and flew back to their condos in Qatar.
peppertree
(21,943 posts)And the minute Biden releases the shipment, you can bet Nutty-yahoo will go right back to the atrocities.
Johnny2X2X
(19,528 posts)Israel and Hamas want two very different deals right now.
Mossfern
(2,633 posts)One cannot speculate whether Israel will/should accept until those terms are released.
Mountainguy
(667 posts)Why should they accept anything less than Hamas unconditional surrender?
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,032 posts)But, yeah, keep killing people, I guess.
Mountainguy
(667 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,032 posts)You're correct. And maybe this offer for an end to the fighting by Hamas is a load of BS, but maybe it isn't. To suggest that Israel shouldn't because "they're winning" when that will undoubtedly mean that more innocents will be killed is, frankly, fucking gross.
erodriguez
(674 posts)It's part of their goal and the right wing Israel government is helping them accomplish it.
Ray Bruns
(4,168 posts)manicdem
(420 posts)It's better to get the war over quick and eliminate Hamas.
If we have a permanent ceasefire and Israelis leave Gaza, Hamas will build up again and this war will repeat. More civilians lives lost in a second war.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,032 posts)They are in other countries. So good luck eliminating Hamas.
And there probably isn't a better way to create more recruits for Hamas than killing 10s of thousands of innocent Palestinians in an attempt to kill leaders of Hamas that aren't there.
LuvLoogie
(7,143 posts)How many Hamas badges have they collected? Must be close to all of them, huh?
Nanjeanne
(5,048 posts)continue this war with the invasion of Rafah the next step. My heart breaks for the families and friends of remaining hostages. If Israel doesnt accept the deal, Bibi has made it clear he has no motivation to free the hostages.
Blistering piece in Haaretz from a few days ago: Analysis | Netanyahu Hoped Hamas Would Reject the Cease-fire Offer. When It Didn't, He Turned to Sabotage
Haaretz subscriber link- [link:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-05/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-hoped-hamas-would-reject-israels-offer-when-it-didnt-he-turned-to-sabotage/0000018f-4817-d414-a5bf-fb37db290000|]
Free link - [link:https://archive.is/3OELx|]
Nanjeanne
(5,048 posts)After the initial exchange, there will follow what sources describe as the restoration of sustainable calm during which the remaining hostages, captive Israeli soldiers and the bodies of hostages would be exchanged for more Palestinian prisoners.
[link:https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleeast/hamas-agrees-ceasefire-proposal-israel-gaza-latam-intl/index.html|]
ripcord
(5,553 posts)Nanjeanne
(5,048 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,667 posts)Six hostages who were released from captivity in Gaza and the representatives of 30 hostage families sent a letter to war cabinet members Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot demanding that they call a press conference Monday to "reveal to the public the truth about the negotiations."
In the letter, they blamed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for deliberately torpedoing a deal and said that he "is abandoning the hostages to their deaths."
"We watch in horror at what is happening, and demand to know what happened on Saturday," they wrote. "What are the ways Netanyahu has torpedoed a deal thus far?
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(109,067 posts)Fingers crossed.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,667 posts)The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because Israel is still formulating a formal response, did not elaborate.
The language signaled that a deal could still be a ways off.
Nanjeanne
(5,048 posts)State Department Spokesperson Matthew Miller said following news broke that Hamas had accepted a cease-fire proposal that "We're reviewing [Hamas'] response now and reviewing with our partners in the region.
"We've only received the response in the last hour and are just going through it now. I don't want to characterize the nature of the response just yet," Miller said
"We'll be discussing with them over the coming hours, we continue to believe a hostage deal is in the best interest of the Israeli people and the Palestinian people," Miller added.
Joinfortmill
(14,706 posts)These m*fuckers live for jihad and believe if they die they'll spend eternity f*ing virgins.
Nanjeanne
(5,048 posts)From Haaretz Updates
Since Sunday, CIA chief William Burns and Qatari Prime Minister Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani have held several meetings, during which an outline was reached based on the existing proposal and it was this that enabled the breakthrough to Hamas' acceptance of the deal.
Another diplomat closely familiar with the proposal said that "the ball is now in Netanyahu's court."
[link:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-06/ty-article-live/idf-three-soldiers-killed-near-gaza-border/0000018f-4ba4-dcda-abcf-6ba7979b0006?liveBlogItemId=1376760410#1376760410|]
jaxexpat
(7,011 posts)LeftInTX
(26,148 posts)Three phases each lasting 42 days
1. Cessation of military operations
2. Withdrawal of Israeli troops
3. End the blockade
RandySF
(60,895 posts)Released in 45-day increments.
SunSeeker
(52,059 posts)There might not be any to release after 45 days.
manicdem
(420 posts)There is no way Israel would accept those terms. Nowhere close. Probably more an insult to them.
RandySF
(60,895 posts)Related them. Period.
Nanjeanne
(5,048 posts)From Haaretz Uodates
"Now it's time for the Israeli government to prove, with action, its commitment to its citizens," the Forum said. "The cabinet must take Hamas' acceptance and turn it into a deal for returning all [the hostages.]
et tu
(1,096 posts)twodogsbarking
(10,201 posts)moonshinegnomie
(2,558 posts)and once hamas releases all the hostages they should seek out and kill the leaders of hamas no matter where in teh world they are. hunt them down like they did teh olympic terrorists.
CincyDem
(6,458 posts)This is based on the reporting from MSNBC that this Hamas proposal differs from what Israel offered several weeks ago.
Feels a little different and waters down the of course Israel doesnt want a cease fire mantra but its more accurate than the implication that Hamas has initiated a cease fire call that Israel is going to simply reject out of hand. Hamas just doesnt like the terms that might limit/restrict their military capability in the future and probably doesnt like the prisoner/hostage exchange rate proposed by Israel - either in number or categories of people involved.
Confusing that Hamas would be so focused on retaining military capability since it shouldnt be necessary if theyre planning to honor a permanent cease fire. Hmmmm .
TomDaisy
(2,022 posts)LeftInTX
(26,148 posts)Israels war cabinet decides unanimously to push ahead with an operation in Rafah in order to apply military pressure on Hamas, with the goal of making progress on freeing the hostages and the other war aims, the Prime Ministers Office says in a statement.
The statement says Hamass latest truce offer is far from Israels obligatory demands.
At the same time, Israel is also sending teams to hold talks with mediators in an attempt to find a deal that meets Israels demands, says the PMO.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-6-2024
Palestinian media report Israeli strikes and flares over eastern Rafah area
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/palestinian-media-report-israeli-strikes-and-flares-over-eastern-rafah-area/
Voltaire2
(13,634 posts)with minor adjustments.
The proposal for a hostage-prisoner exchange and cease-fire that Hamas said on Monday that it could accept has minor wording changes from the one that Israel and the United States had presented to the group recently, according to two officials familiar with the revised proposal.
The officials said that the changes were made by Arab mediators in consultation with William J. Burns, the C.I.A. director, and that the new version keeps a key phrase, the eventual enactment of a sustainable calm, wording that all sides had said earlier they could accept.
The two officials said the response from Hamas was a serious one, and that it was now up to Israel to decide whether to enter into an agreement. The proposal, they said, calls for Hamas to free hostages women, the elderly and those in need of medical treatment in return for a 42-day cease-fire and the release of a much larger number of Palestinian prisoners. Israel had sought 33 hostages, but it is not clear how many women and elderly are still alive, and the first tranche could end up including remains.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/06/world/middleeast/burns-cease-fire-hamas.html?smid=url-share
(Paywall sorry)
LeftInTX
(26,148 posts)Israel didn't send delegate, so they are pointing the finger at the US because the US was their proxy.
Since these negotiations go on behind closed doors, it's up to the reader to read the tea leaves. Sounds like smoke and mirrors.
The NY Times article that you posted is from May 6, 2024 at May 6, 2024, 9:13 p.m. ET. More recent article from NY Times below is from May 7, 2024, 12:12 a.m.mentions 40 hostages.
snips for emphasis
May 7, 2024, 12:12 a.m. ET
The Israelis initially wanted 40 to be released in the first phase but came to understand that Hamas did not hold that many who fit the criteria. Israeli and American officials have long assumed that some of the hostages may be dead.
Israel has agreed to send a delegation to review the proposal and contemplate further concessions.
https://archive.ph/Ktekn#selection-473.0-473.65
Israel had initially demanded that 40 living hostages of the 132 still in Gaza be released in the first phase of the three-phase plan all of them in the so-called humanitarian category: women, children, elderly and sick people.
According to multiple reports, it then agreed to lower that number to 33 after Hamas said it did not hold enough living individuals in the category.
However, the claim that even the 33 under discussion are not all alive appears to be a new walk-back by the terror group.
Hamas officials claimed Monday evening that the deal would yield an end to the war, whereas Israel has said repeatedly that it will not accept an agreement that involves ending the war and that it fully intends to resume its campaign to destroy Hamas once any deal has been carried out.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-33-hostages-to-be-freed-in-1st-phase-of-a-deal-not-all-necessarily-alive/
US and everyone else is really against the Rafah invasion. Israel is pretty adamant that it will go forward.
The Biden administration is holding up shipments of two types of Boeing-made precision bombs to send a political message to Israel, according to a U.S. official and six other people with knowledge of the deliberations.
The U.S. has yet to sign off on a pending sale of Boeings Joint Direct Attack Munitions both the munitions and kits that convert them to smart weapons and Small Diameter Bombs, according to six industry and congressional sources with knowledge of the discussions.
While the Biden administration has not formally denied the potential sale, it is essentially taking action through inaction holding off on approvals and other aspects of the weapons transfer process to send a message to Israel, a U.S. administration official familiar with the process told POLITICO. The official, along with others, was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations.
This appears to be the first time the U.S. administration has delayed a potential weapons sale for Israel since Hamas attacked the country on Oct. 7. President Joe Biden has been under pressure from some in his party to set conditions on aid to Israel after the Israeli bombing campaign in Gaza began to exact a heavy toll on civilians, and after Israel hit humanitarian convoys delivering aid to the enclave.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/07/us-concerns-over-israels-gaza-policy-led-to-weapons-holdup-00156528
Israeli officials claim the Biden administration knew about the latest hostage and ceasefire deal proposal Egypt and Qatar negotiated with Hamas, but didn't brief Israel before Hamas announced it accepted it on Monday. A senior U.S. official pushed back saying "American diplomats have been engaged with Israeli counterparts. There have been no surprises."
Why it matters: The episode has created deep disappointment and suspicion among senior Israeli officials regarding the U.S. role in the hostage deal talks and could negatively influence the negotiations going forward.
The U.S. official said "this is an extremely difficult process with negotiations conducted through intermediaries in Doha and Cairo."
He added that the U.S. believes Israel has engaged in the talks in good faith and that Israel's late April proposal was "the most forward leaning proposal to date. To secure a ceasefire, Hamas simply needs to release hostages. It's all mapped out."
The official also said the Biden administration sees Hamas' response as a counter-proposal and not as a new proposal.
Behind the scenes: Three Israeli officials said the Hamas announcement on Monday surprised the Israeli government and that Israel didn't receive the text of the group's response from the mediators until an hour after Hamas released its statement.
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/us-israel-hamas-hostage-ceasefire-talks
Israels repeated refusal to send a negotiating team to meet with mediators has hampered efforts to secure a hostage deal, an Arab diplomat tells The Times of Israel.
The mediators had wanted Israel to dispatch a delegation to Cairo over the weekend when CIA chief Bill Burns was in town and the mediators were gearing up for Hamass official response to the latest proposal, the diplomat says, claiming Israels absence led it to be being out of the loop.
Following Hamass Monday response, Israel sent a lower-level negotiating team to Cairo, while officials in Jerusalem surmised that the terror groups latest proposal brought the parties back to square one.
He declines to elaborate but doesnt deny the suggestion that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to dispatch negotiating teams due to pressure from far-right coalition partners who want him to take a tougher stance in the talks. Other war cabinet ministers, including National Unity chairman Benny Gantz and his deputy Gadi Eisenkot, have argued that Israel should always show willingness to hold talks, while sticking to guiding principles once the negotiating team is in the room.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-7-2024/
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that the latest Hamas proposal for a ceasefire deal was meant to sabotage the entry of our forces into Rafah.
That did not happen, the premier says in a video statement.
The Rafah operation is meant to bring back the hostages and to eliminate Hamas, says Netanyahu. We already proved in the previous hostage release military pressure on Hamas is a precondition for the return of the hostages.
He emphasizes that the Hamas offer is very far from Israels vital demands.
Israel will not allow Hamas to restore its wicked rule in the Strip, he promises. Israel will not allow it to rehabilitate its military capabilities in order to keep working toward our destruction.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-hamas-offer-aimed-at-sabotaging-rafah-op-is-very-far-from-israeli-demands/