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WhiskeyGrinder

(22,667 posts)
Mon May 6, 2024, 12:49 PM May 6

Breaking: Hamas announces it has accepted an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-humanitarian-aid-8659eae6e0a7362504f0aa4aa4be53e0

CAIRO (AP) — The Hamas militant group says it has accepted an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal to halt seven-month war with Israel.

It issued a statement Monday saying its supreme leader, Ismail Haniyeh, had delivered the news in a phone call with Qatar’s prime minister and Egypt’s intelligence minister.

The two Middle Eastern nations have been mediating months of talks between Israel and Hamas.

There was no immediate comment from Israel.
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Breaking: Hamas announces it has accepted an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire proposal (Original Post) WhiskeyGrinder May 6 OP
🤞 Oopsie Daisy May 6 #1
Netanyahu won't accept any ceasefire Nevilledog May 6 #2
Unfortunately that is likely accurate. Voltaire2 May 6 #4
His bloodthirstiness may prove to be Israel's downfall RAB910 May 6 #5
It certainly shifts the burden WhiskeyGrinder May 6 #6
Not really Mossfern May 6 #8
That depends upon the terms. Happy Hoosier May 6 #11
Israel had already agreed to terms so why would you say that? maxsolomon May 6 #9
What's more, he's only playing Biden for more weapons - which Biden has blocked due to the genocide peppertree May 6 #41
We'll see Johnny2X2X May 6 #3
It will be interesting to see the terms of the deal. Mossfern May 6 #7
Israel is winning. Mountainguy May 6 #10
Oh, to stop the loss of 10s of thousands of more innocent lives? Cuthbert Allgood May 6 #15
Isnt that why Hamas should surrender? Mountainguy May 6 #17
Yeah, maybe both sides should get their shit together. Cuthbert Allgood May 6 #22
Like Hamas cares about the suffering of Palestinians. erodriguez May 6 #23
Thank you! Ray Bruns May 6 #24
Better to get it done quick manicdem May 6 #36
From what I believe we all know, Hamas leaders aren't in Palestine. Cuthbert Allgood May 6 #38
What are they winning? LuvLoogie May 6 #40
I so wish this would happen. But fear it won't. Netanyahu has repeatedly said they want to Nanjeanne May 6 #12
From CNN some details on deal Nanjeanne May 6 #13
Nothing short of all hostages released is acceptable ripcord May 6 #43
For you. Hostage families feel differently. Nanjeanne May 6 #44
Haaretz: Families of hostages say Netanyahu is "abandoning hostages to their deaths," "torpedoing" deal WhiskeyGrinder May 6 #14
We shall see Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 6 #16
Update: JUST IN: Israel says it is examining the cease-fire proposal WhiskeyGrinder May 6 #18
Haaretz Breaking News: US State Sept reviewing Hamas response with partners. Nanjeanne May 6 #19
Ok, good, but tread carefully... Joinfortmill May 6 #20
Diplomatic sources: Cease-fire Hamas agreed to is similar to proposal Israel approved; the ball is in Netanyahu's court Nanjeanne May 6 #21
If terms were written in the language of US legal scholars, it might be vague to the point of useless. jaxexpat May 6 #25
I don't see anything about the hostages. Maybe it's there, but it wasn't discussed on AJ LeftInTX May 6 #26
1 hostage for every 33 Palestinian prisoners. RandySF May 6 #29
Thx LeftInTX May 6 #30
Why 45 day increments? Release them all now! SunSeeker May 6 #42
Not happening manicdem May 6 #37
The hostages should be non-negotiable. RandySF May 6 #27
Hostage and Missing Families Forum welcomes Hamas' acceptance of cease-fire proposal, says it's the Israeli government's Nanjeanne May 6 #28
yes please- make it so nt et tu May 6 #31
You will know there is a cease fire when you cease to hear the fire. Until then it is words. twodogsbarking May 6 #32
israel should agree moonshinegnomie May 6 #33
Sounds like there's an equally/more accurate headline that can/should be written... CincyDem May 6 #34
what about war criminal Netanyahu TomDaisy May 6 #35
Israel says Hamas ceasefire offer doesn't meet key demands, Rafah op moving forward LeftInTX May 6 #39
Which is odd as it is the Israeli-US proposal Voltaire2 May 7 #45
Israel didn't send a delegate. Israel wanted 40 hostages, but Hamas only wants to release 33 which include dead. LeftInTX May 7 #46

Voltaire2

(13,634 posts)
4. Unfortunately that is likely accurate.
Mon May 6, 2024, 12:55 PM
May 6

Now would be a good time for the Biden administration to exert whatever influence it has.

RAB910

(3,592 posts)
5. His bloodthirstiness may prove to be Israel's downfall
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:04 PM
May 6

The world is not onboard with the killing of so many innocent people

Netanyahu has taken Israel from being on the verge of recognition by most major Arab powers to the world's biggest pariah

Mossfern

(2,633 posts)
8. Not really
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:09 PM
May 6

until the terms are released. Just because one party accepts doesn't mean very much considering we just don't know what the deal is.

Happy Hoosier

(7,567 posts)
11. That depends upon the terms.
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:14 PM
May 6

If the terms are a pemranent cease-fire where Hamas and its murder/rape squads remains in power, I cannot see Israel agreeing to that.

maxsolomon

(33,562 posts)
9. Israel had already agreed to terms so why would you say that?
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:11 PM
May 6

If this report is accurate, it looks like starting Rafah operations made Hamas change their minds - their negotiators had rejected this proposal over the weekend and flew back to their condos in Qatar.

peppertree

(21,943 posts)
41. What's more, he's only playing Biden for more weapons - which Biden has blocked due to the genocide
Mon May 6, 2024, 03:42 PM
May 6

And the minute Biden releases the shipment, you can bet Nutty-yahoo will go right back to the atrocities.

Mossfern

(2,633 posts)
7. It will be interesting to see the terms of the deal.
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:08 PM
May 6

One cannot speculate whether Israel will/should accept until those terms are released.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,032 posts)
22. Yeah, maybe both sides should get their shit together.
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:17 PM
May 6

You're correct. And maybe this offer for an end to the fighting by Hamas is a load of BS, but maybe it isn't. To suggest that Israel shouldn't because "they're winning" when that will undoubtedly mean that more innocents will be killed is, frankly, fucking gross.

erodriguez

(674 posts)
23. Like Hamas cares about the suffering of Palestinians.
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:23 PM
May 6

It's part of their goal and the right wing Israel government is helping them accomplish it.

manicdem

(420 posts)
36. Better to get it done quick
Mon May 6, 2024, 03:14 PM
May 6

It's better to get the war over quick and eliminate Hamas.

If we have a permanent ceasefire and Israelis leave Gaza, Hamas will build up again and this war will repeat. More civilians lives lost in a second war.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,032 posts)
38. From what I believe we all know, Hamas leaders aren't in Palestine.
Mon May 6, 2024, 03:20 PM
May 6

They are in other countries. So good luck eliminating Hamas.

And there probably isn't a better way to create more recruits for Hamas than killing 10s of thousands of innocent Palestinians in an attempt to kill leaders of Hamas that aren't there.

Nanjeanne

(5,048 posts)
12. I so wish this would happen. But fear it won't. Netanyahu has repeatedly said they want to
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:15 PM
May 6

continue this war with the invasion of Rafah the next step. My heart breaks for the families and friends of remaining hostages. If Israel doesn’t accept the deal, Bibi has made it clear he has no motivation to free the hostages.

Blistering piece in Haaretz from a few days ago: Analysis | Netanyahu Hoped Hamas Would Reject the Cease-fire Offer. When It Didn't, He Turned to Sabotage

Haaretz subscriber link- [link:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-05/ty-article/.premium/netanyahu-hoped-hamas-would-reject-israels-offer-when-it-didnt-he-turned-to-sabotage/0000018f-4817-d414-a5bf-fb37db290000|]

Free link - [link:https://archive.is/3OELx|]



Nanjeanne

(5,048 posts)
13. From CNN some details on deal
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:17 PM
May 6
The latest framework, which Israel helped craft but has not fully agreed to, calls for the release of between 20 and 33 hostages over several weeks in exchange for a temporary ceasefire and the release of Palestinian prisoners.

After the initial exchange, there will follow what sources describe as the “restoration of sustainable calm” during which the remaining hostages, captive Israeli soldiers and the bodies of hostages would be exchanged for more Palestinian prisoners.


[link:https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/06/middleeast/hamas-agrees-ceasefire-proposal-israel-gaza-latam-intl/index.html|]

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,667 posts)
14. Haaretz: Families of hostages say Netanyahu is "abandoning hostages to their deaths," "torpedoing" deal
Mon May 6, 2024, 01:32 PM
May 6
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-06/ty-article-live/idf-three-soldiers-killed-near-gaza-border/0000018f-4ba4-dcda-abcf-6ba7979b0006

Released hostages and family members to war cabinet members: Netanyahu is torpedoing a deal, tell us the truth about negotiations

Six hostages who were released from captivity in Gaza and the representatives of 30 hostage families sent a letter to war cabinet members Benny Gantz and Gadi Eisenkot demanding that they call a press conference Monday to "reveal to the public the truth about the negotiations."

In the letter, they blamed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for deliberately torpedoing a deal and said that he "is abandoning the hostages to their deaths."

"We watch in horror at what is happening, and demand to know what happened on Saturday," they wrote. "What are the ways Netanyahu has torpedoed a deal thus far?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,667 posts)
18. Update: JUST IN: Israel says it is examining the cease-fire proposal
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:05 PM
May 6
An official familiar with Israeli thinking says Israeli officials are examining the cease-fire proposal approved by Hamas. But the official warns that the plan approved by Hamas “is not the framework Israel proposed.”

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because Israel is still formulating a formal response, did not elaborate.

The language signaled that a deal could still be a ways off.

Nanjeanne

(5,048 posts)
19. Haaretz Breaking News: US State Sept reviewing Hamas response with partners.
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:11 PM
May 6


State Department Spokesperson Matthew Miller said following news broke that Hamas had accepted a cease-fire proposal that "We're reviewing [Hamas'] response now and reviewing with our partners in the region.
"We've only received the response in the last hour and are just going through it now. I don't want to characterize the nature of the response just yet," Miller said
"We'll be discussing with them over the coming hours, we continue to believe a hostage deal is in the best interest of the Israeli people and the Palestinian people," Miller added.

Joinfortmill

(14,706 posts)
20. Ok, good, but tread carefully...
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:13 PM
May 6

These m*fuckers live for jihad and believe if they die they'll spend eternity f*ing virgins.

Nanjeanne

(5,048 posts)
21. Diplomatic sources: Cease-fire Hamas agreed to is similar to proposal Israel approved; the ball is in Netanyahu's court
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:15 PM
May 6

From Haaretz Updates

According to a foreign diplomatic source familiar with the negotiations, the outline Hamas accepted Monday night is, at its core, the same as the Egyptian proposal which Israel has already approved.

Since Sunday, CIA chief William Burns and Qatari Prime Minister Abdulrahman bin Jassim Al Thani have held several meetings, during which an outline was reached based on the existing proposal – and it was this that enabled the breakthrough to Hamas' acceptance of the deal.

Another diplomat closely familiar with the proposal said that "the ball is now in Netanyahu's court."


[link:https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-06/ty-article-live/idf-three-soldiers-killed-near-gaza-border/0000018f-4ba4-dcda-abcf-6ba7979b0006?liveBlogItemId=1376760410#1376760410|]

LeftInTX

(26,148 posts)
26. I don't see anything about the hostages. Maybe it's there, but it wasn't discussed on AJ
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:30 PM
May 6

Three phases each lasting 42 days
1. Cessation of military operations
2. Withdrawal of Israeli troops
3. End the blockade





manicdem

(420 posts)
37. Not happening
Mon May 6, 2024, 03:16 PM
May 6

There is no way Israel would accept those terms. Nowhere close. Probably more an insult to them.

Nanjeanne

(5,048 posts)
28. Hostage and Missing Families Forum welcomes Hamas' acceptance of cease-fire proposal, says it's the Israeli government's
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:32 PM
May 6

From Haaretz Uodates

The Hostages and Missing Families Forum welcomed Hamas' acceptance of an Egyptian-Qatari cease-fire and hostage release proposal Monday.

"Now it's time for the Israeli government to prove, with action, its commitment to its citizens," the Forum said. "The cabinet must take Hamas' acceptance and turn it into a deal for returning all [the hostages.]

moonshinegnomie

(2,558 posts)
33. israel should agree
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:43 PM
May 6

and once hamas releases all the hostages they should seek out and kill the leaders of hamas no matter where in teh world they are. hunt them down like they did teh olympic terrorists.


CincyDem

(6,458 posts)
34. Sounds like there's an equally/more accurate headline that can/should be written...
Mon May 6, 2024, 02:44 PM
May 6
Hamas rejects Israeli ceasefire proposal…offers counter proposal.

This is based on the reporting from MSNBC that this Hamas proposal differs from what Israel offered several weeks ago.

Feels a little different and waters down the “of course Israel doesn’t want a cease fire” mantra but…it’s more accurate than the implication that Hamas has initiated a cease fire call that Israel is going to simply reject out of hand. Hamas just doesn’t like the terms that might limit/restrict their military capability in the future and probably doesn’t like the “prisoner/hostage exchange rate” proposed by Israel - either in number or categories of people involved.

Confusing that Hamas would be so focused on retaining military capability since it shouldn’t be necessary if they’re planning to honor a permanent cease fire. Hmmmm….

LeftInTX

(26,148 posts)
39. Israel says Hamas ceasefire offer doesn't meet key demands, Rafah op moving forward
Mon May 6, 2024, 03:28 PM
May 6

Israel’s war cabinet decides unanimously to push ahead with an operation in Rafah “in order to apply military pressure on Hamas, with the goal of making progress on freeing the hostages and the other war aims,” the Prime Minister’s Office says in a statement.

The statement says Hamas’s latest truce offer is “far from Israel’s obligatory demands.”

At the same time, Israel is also sending teams to hold talks with mediators in an attempt to find a deal that meets Israel’s demands, says the PMO.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-6-2024

Palestinian media report Israeli strikes and flares over eastern Rafah area
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/palestinian-media-report-israeli-strikes-and-flares-over-eastern-rafah-area/

Voltaire2

(13,634 posts)
45. Which is odd as it is the Israeli-US proposal
Tue May 7, 2024, 06:21 AM
May 7

with minor adjustments.


The proposal for a hostage-prisoner exchange and cease-fire that Hamas said on Monday that it could accept has minor wording changes from the one that Israel and the United States had presented to the group recently, according to two officials familiar with the revised proposal.

The officials said that the changes were made by Arab mediators in consultation with William J. Burns, the C.I.A. director, and that the new version keeps a key phrase, the eventual enactment of a “sustainable calm,” wording that all sides had said earlier they could accept.

The two officials said the response from Hamas was a serious one, and that it was now up to Israel to decide whether to enter into an agreement. The proposal, they said, calls for Hamas to free hostages — women, the elderly and those in need of medical treatment — in return for a 42-day cease-fire and the release of a much larger number of Palestinian prisoners. Israel had sought 33 hostages, but it is not clear how many women and elderly are still alive, and the first tranche could end up including remains.


https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/06/world/middleeast/burns-cease-fire-hamas.html?smid=url-share
(Paywall sorry)

LeftInTX

(26,148 posts)
46. Israel didn't send a delegate. Israel wanted 40 hostages, but Hamas only wants to release 33 which include dead.
Tue May 7, 2024, 12:51 PM
May 7

Israel didn't send delegate, so they are pointing the finger at the US because the US was their proxy.

Since these negotiations go on behind closed doors, it's up to the reader to read the tea leaves. Sounds like smoke and mirrors.

The NY Times article that you posted is from May 6, 2024 at May 6, 2024, 9:13 p.m. ET. More recent article from NY Times below is from May 7, 2024, 12:12 a.m.mentions 40 hostages.





snips for emphasis

Hamas’s Offer to Hand Over 33 Hostages Includes Some Who Are Dead
May 7, 2024, 12:12 a.m. ET
The Israelis initially wanted 40 to be released in the first phase but came to understand that Hamas did not hold that many who fit the criteria. Israeli and American officials have long assumed that some of the hostages may be dead.

Israel has agreed to send a delegation to review the proposal and contemplate further concessions.
https://archive.ph/Ktekn#selection-473.0-473.65




A failure to release 33 living hostages would appear to conflict with Israeli demands.

Israel had initially demanded that 40 living hostages of the 132 still in Gaza be released in the first phase of the three-phase plan — all of them in the so-called “humanitarian” category: women, children, elderly and sick people.

According to multiple reports, it then agreed to lower that number to 33 after Hamas said it did not hold enough living individuals in the category.

However, the claim that even the 33 under discussion are not all alive appears to be a new walk-back by the terror group.

Hamas officials claimed Monday evening that the deal would yield an end to the war, whereas Israel has said repeatedly that it will not accept an agreement that involves ending the war and that it fully intends to resume its campaign to destroy Hamas once any deal has been carried out.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-33-hostages-to-be-freed-in-1st-phase-of-a-deal-not-all-necessarily-alive/




US and everyone else is really against the Rafah invasion. Israel is pretty adamant that it will go forward.

US concerns over Israel’s Gaza policy led to weapons holdup
The Biden administration is holding up shipments of two types of Boeing-made precision bombs to send a political message to Israel, according to a U.S. official and six other people with knowledge of the deliberations.

The U.S. has yet to sign off on a pending sale of Boeing’s Joint Direct Attack Munitions — both the munitions and kits that convert them to smart weapons — and Small Diameter Bombs, according to six industry and congressional sources with knowledge of the discussions.

While the Biden administration has not formally denied the potential sale, it is essentially taking action through inaction — holding off on approvals and other aspects of the weapons transfer process — to send a message to Israel, a U.S. administration official familiar with the process told POLITICO. The official, along with others, was granted anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations.

This appears to be the first time the U.S. administration has delayed a potential weapons sale for Israel since Hamas attacked the country on Oct. 7. President Joe Biden has been under pressure from some in his party to set conditions on aid to Israel after the Israeli bombing campaign in Gaza began to exact a heavy toll on civilians, and after Israel hit humanitarian convoys delivering aid to the enclave.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/07/us-concerns-over-israels-gaza-policy-led-to-weapons-holdup-00156528







Israelis frustrated with U.S. handling of hostage talks
Israeli officials claim the Biden administration knew about the latest hostage and ceasefire deal proposal Egypt and Qatar negotiated with Hamas, but didn't brief Israel before Hamas announced it accepted it on Monday. A senior U.S. official pushed back saying "American diplomats have been engaged with Israeli counterparts. There have been no surprises."

Why it matters: The episode has created deep disappointment and suspicion among senior Israeli officials regarding the U.S. role in the hostage deal talks and could negatively influence the negotiations going forward.

The U.S. official said "this is an extremely difficult process with negotiations conducted through intermediaries in Doha and Cairo."
He added that the U.S. believes Israel has engaged in the talks in good faith and that Israel's late April proposal was "the most forward leaning proposal to date. To secure a ceasefire, Hamas simply needs to release hostages. It's all mapped out."
The official also said the Biden administration sees Hamas' response as a counter-proposal and not as a new proposal.

Behind the scenes: Three Israeli officials said the Hamas announcement on Monday surprised the Israeli government and that Israel didn't receive the text of the group's response from the mediators until an hour after Hamas released its statement.

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/07/us-israel-hamas-hostage-ceasefire-talks







Arab diplomat: Repeated Israeli refusal to dispatch negotiating team has harmed hostage talks
Israel’s repeated refusal to send a negotiating team to meet with mediators has hampered efforts to secure a hostage deal, an Arab diplomat tells The Times of Israel.

The mediators had wanted Israel to dispatch a delegation to Cairo over the weekend when CIA chief Bill Burns was in town and the mediators were gearing up for Hamas’s official response to the latest proposal, the diplomat says, claiming Israel’s absence led it to be being out of the loop.

Following Hamas’s Monday response, Israel sent a lower-level negotiating team to Cairo, while officials in Jerusalem surmised that the terror group’s latest proposal brought the parties back to square one.

He declines to elaborate but doesn’t deny the suggestion that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to dispatch negotiating teams due to pressure from far-right coalition partners who want him to take a tougher stance in the talks. Other war cabinet ministers, including National Unity chairman Benny Gantz and his deputy Gadi Eisenkot, have argued that Israel should always show willingness to hold talks, while sticking to guiding principles once the negotiating team is in the room.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-7-2024/




Netanyahu: Hamas offer aimed at ‘sabotaging’ Rafah op, is ‘very far’ from Israeli demands
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says that the latest Hamas proposal for a ceasefire deal was “meant to sabotage the entry of our forces into Rafah.”

“That did not happen,” the premier says in a video statement.

The Rafah operation is meant to bring back the hostages and to eliminate Hamas, says Netanyahu. “We already proved in the previous hostage release — military pressure on Hamas is a precondition for the return of the hostages.”

He emphasizes that the Hamas offer is “very far from Israel’s vital demands.”

“Israel will not allow Hamas to restore its wicked rule in the Strip,” he promises. “Israel will not allow it to rehabilitate its military capabilities in order to keep working toward our destruction.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-hamas-offer-aimed-at-sabotaging-rafah-op-is-very-far-from-israeli-demands/

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