So little baby Sabrina who was taken from her mother's womb

[malaise]

Has died.

Ah we’ll let rpthem blame Hamas for killing this entire family
I also heard on BBC that it will take 14 years to remove the rubble from Gaza.
Evil is still evil.

[Celerity]

1. I posted on her. Horrible tragic news.

[malaise]

4. Missed it sis

[Celerity]

6. Here:

Israel-Gaza: Baby saved from dead mother's womb after Israeli strike in Rafah

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218884478

[MorbidButterflyTat]

13. Woah, WTF?!

Post a warning, please!

Better yet delete this triggering photo!

[obamanut2012]

17. The OP can put a trigger warning, but we need to quit sanitizing war and also school shootings

Mamie Till knew the photos of her mutilated, dead son could sway minds, as well as being witness to violence.

[WhiteTara]

26. Nightly viewing of the Vietnam war ended it.

[LeftInTX]

20. She's alive there. Just born. Her color was a little off and a bit on the limp side. But she perked up.

She was also delivered C-section. She perked up and appeared fine.

She had prematurity and possible issues with low fetal oxygenation.

Sorry it doesn't trigger me. I worked in newborn.

&ab_channel=AlJazeeraEnglish

[Celerity]

27. That photo is right after she was born. She is alive. No reason to be triggered. I would never post a pic of her dead.

[betsuni]

2. Yes, terrorist groups like Hamas are evil.

[David__77]

5. collective punishment against babies is evil

[Happy Hoosier]

8. Is every civilian casualty "collective punishment?"

Asking for 125,000 Berliners in April 1945.

[David__77]

9. While people assert rapes in Vietnam weren't collective punisvment, I don't think they were defensible.

[Happy Hoosier]

10. So, you didn't answer the question.

I'm not defending deliberate misconduct or war crimes.

I'm asking if civilian casualties are "collective punishment."

You don't seem to want to answer that question.

I can understand why. It's difficult to separate genuine collateral damage from deliberate or callous infliction of pain on the civilian population, especially when someone like Nutandyahoo is involved.

But I also think it's important to acknowledge that not every civilian casualty constitutes a war crime. And from the constant drumbeat of such stories on this forum, I think a lot of folks gloss over that part. Wars are ugly. Always have been.

[stopdiggin]

16. too right. on every point.

not every action during a conflict is warranted or defensible. By the same token - it is false measure to label virtually all 'evil' or 'genocide'. Too often we have descended to hurling words and brickbats back and forth ...

[obamanut2012]

18. Berlin is one reason why Gaza is a war crime now

And yes, I believe Berlin was morally a war crime. As was Tokyo, Dresden, London, Coventry, Nanking...

[BannonsLiver]

22. ...

[BannonsLiver]

23. Youve actually gone a bit farther than that

In saying there was moral equivalence between the Allies and Nazis during the war in previous discussions on this issue.

[maxrandb]

21. Yes, because man is NOT supposed to progress in just 80 SHORT YEARS!

The carnage in Gaza is justified, because look at what the Union did to Atlanta, or Cortez did to the Aztecs.

Why don't we have crucifixions and hangings anymore?

Hey, we've done it before, so it's all good, right?

[PatSeg]

15. Evil is evil

Regardless of who commits it. Innocent victims are innocent victims regardless of nationality or religion. Atrocities are atrocities regardless of who commits them.

[hlthe2b]

3. Gawd... Today has just started (for me) and already overwhelmingly bad news... So damned sad...

I picture that child in a better place and given her short history nearly anywhere would be a "better place." RIP, little one & Sabrina's mother.

[Nanjeanne]

7. So sad.

[littlemissmartypants]

11. ...

[Goddessartist]

14. So sad, so tragic,

and unnecessary. Israel is a rogue state. They've lost all moral ground. Everyone should listen to Norman Finkelstein.

[link:

&t=1387|

Pure evil.

[W T F]

19. Our brain dead press does not cover this story because they've been told that doing so would be antisemitism.

[LeftInTX]

24. I thought she would make it. It's so sad....

[Ping Tung]

25. War crime? Murder? Collateral damage? Unfortunate loss? Naw. Just another dead baby

destroyed in the name of some great cause or to protect a helpless God.