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Archae

(46,367 posts)
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:54 AM Apr 21

Asshole kills two little kids driving drunk...

I hope she gets life in jail.

BERLIN TOWNSHIP, Mich. (WTVG/Gray News) - Two siblings died and 15 people were seriously injured after a drunk driver slammed into a building at a child’s birthday party, according to authorities.

Crews from several agencies responded to the Swan Boat Club on Saturday around 3 p.m. in Michigan.

Authorities said a 66-year-old woman was taken into custody and charged with operating while intoxicated causing death, WTVG reported. Her vehicle allegedly stopped 25 feet after slamming through the wall.

Officials said an 8-year-old girl and a 5-year-old boy died at the scene.

Additionally, 15 victims were also injured, including adults and young children. In total, nine people were taken to a hospital with serious, life-threatening injuries, WTVG reported.

https://www.wbay.com/2024/04/21/young-brother-sister-dead-15-injured-when-vehicle-crashes-into-birthday-party-sheriff-says/

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Asshole kills two little kids driving drunk... (Original Post) Archae Apr 21 OP
If you are impaired, DON'T GET BEHIND THE WHEEL!!! yagotme Apr 21 #1
If I may: If you are GOING TO BECOME IMPAIRED, make sure you don't need to drive. RandomNumbers Apr 21 #2
Yes, I agree, if one is a regular drinker, that should be an everyday thought. yagotme Apr 21 #4
Does she deserve more than a drunk driver that didn't kill someone. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 21 #21
Yes, because results have consequences. RandomNumbers Apr 22 #22
Does a person that accidently discharges a firearm and kills someone deserve more punishment yagotme Monday #24
How awful. There are no words. Srkdqltr Apr 21 #3
The drunk is always XanaDUer2 Apr 21 #5
Not always. Archae Apr 21 #6
Ok XanaDUer2 Apr 21 #8
Not always. Paramedic brother had one too many calls in a week, with injured kids due to drunk driver Attilatheblond Apr 24 #23
This is a horrible tragedy. The worse part of the tragedy is that there is so little affordable help for alcoholics BComplex Apr 21 #7
Not only that, but in 2024 it's easily preventable. Initech Apr 21 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 21 #11
At the very least the bar should call the Uber. Initech Apr 21 #13
It isn't hard, but drunks aren't known for critical thinking skills. RandomNumbers Apr 21 #14
Back about 50 years ago, I knew people who bragged about driving drunk. Archae Apr 21 #19
Obamacare covers alcohol and drug abuse treatment IronLionZion Apr 21 #17
There should be absolutely ZERO excuse for this in 2024. Initech Apr 21 #9
I know the area. The driver had to be going to the boat club as its not a straight road. Srkdqltr Apr 21 #12
How about A*hole driving drunk kills two little kids. Kids were neither drinking nor driving. Wonder Why Apr 21 #15
Sound advice for the suspect: LudwigPastorius Apr 21 #16
If I know I'm going to be drinking, I take transit, rideshare, or walk IronLionZion Apr 21 #18
Wouldn't you want the same punishment of any drunk driver; accident or not. DontBelieveEastisEas Apr 21 #20

RandomNumbers

(17,608 posts)
2. If I may: If you are GOING TO BECOME IMPAIRED, make sure you don't need to drive.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:13 PM
Apr 21

The decision to NOT DRINK AND DRIVE, should come before even the first sip.

I just can't get past the stupidity of people who will drink the last 3 beers in their fridge and then drive to the store to get more.

yagotme

(3,007 posts)
4. Yes, I agree, if one is a regular drinker, that should be an everyday thought.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:17 PM
Apr 21

Failure to plan, is a plan to fail.

RandomNumbers

(17,608 posts)
22. Yes, because results have consequences.
Mon Apr 22, 2024, 08:50 AM
Apr 22

Someone who has made a mistake and managed not to cause injury or damage, should get enough of a scare to hopefully wise up.

See my post below. I was actually never even "caught" - although should have been at least once - but I wised up.

If everyone who ever drove drunk was put in jail, we'd run out of jail space real quick.

I'm not a fan of lenient sentences once a person gets to arrest number 3+ though. 2 strikes seems fair. (again though, WITHOUT injury or death or significant property damage.)

yagotme

(3,007 posts)
24. Does a person that accidently discharges a firearm and kills someone deserve more punishment
Mon May 6, 2024, 12:12 PM
Monday

than a person that accidently discharged a firearm and didn't? Just because "I was drunk" is used as a defense, a death occurred, right? Was the drunkenness intentional? Getting behind the wheel intentional? People make choices, then they have to live with them. Getting toasted, voluntarily, then getting behind the wheel of a vehicle, voluntarily, and driving on a public road, voluntarily, would lead one to assume that the person did not care if they killed someone. How would you look at this if it had been YOUR loved one killed by a drunk driver? Yes, she deserves more. Much more.

Archae

(46,367 posts)
6. Not always.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:44 PM
Apr 21

Yesterday in Milwaukee a young guy who was probably driving plowed drove his car at over 100 mph through a stop light, and hit a city bus.
The driver of the car was killed, 2 people in the car and 5 in the bus were taken to hospitals.

Attilatheblond

(2,240 posts)
23. Not always. Paramedic brother had one too many calls in a week, with injured kids due to drunk driver
Wed Apr 24, 2024, 01:53 PM
Apr 24

He snapped and it took several California CHP and a couple sheriff's deputies to pull him back after he decked the uninjured drunk that cost those kids their mom and set them up for long stints in a hospital. He's 6'5" and usually a calm, peaceful chap. But some days, you just have to do one clean up too many.

BComplex

(8,082 posts)
7. This is a horrible tragedy. The worse part of the tragedy is that there is so little affordable help for alcoholics
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 12:58 PM
Apr 21

and addicts. It's HUGE problem in the USA, and killing innocent people is part of the problem. But our family, like most families, have people who are so far down the alcohol or drug rabbit hole that they would actually require hospitalization to detox properly. The so-called "free" clinics near the capitol of our State, get so little funding that they are nothing short of dumpster dirty.

And the billionaires pay no taxes.

Initech

(100,123 posts)
10. Not only that, but in 2024 it's easily preventable.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:18 PM
Apr 21

Seriously it's not that hard to call an Uber. I do it all the time. It is not worth getting a DUI or worse because you get behind the wheel after you've had a few.

Response to Initech (Reply #10)

Initech

(100,123 posts)
13. At the very least the bar should call the Uber.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:37 PM
Apr 21

Me personally, if I am going out drinking, someone else is doing the driving. Period. It's just not worth it.

RandomNumbers

(17,608 posts)
14. It isn't hard, but drunks aren't known for critical thinking skills.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 02:19 PM
Apr 21

Hence my comment above.

And by "drunks" I mean any person who has had too much to drink - plenty of us have done it and really aren't alcoholics in the strict sense of the term. ( I guess there could be a lot of discussion about what is a "real" alcoholic, but I define it simply as someone who has repeatedly demonstrated they are incapable of controlling their urge to drink.)

I made a bunch of mistakes myself when I was younger. Luckily I didn't kill anyone or do enough damage to land in jail. But eventually I learned my lesson. I know a few people who somehow, inexplicably - although being smart in other ways - have NEVER learned to take care of the potential driving problem BEFORE starting to drink, and do whatever it takes to make sure your drunk self will carry through with the plan.

Archae

(46,367 posts)
19. Back about 50 years ago, I knew people who bragged about driving drunk.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:44 PM
Apr 21

They'd joke about "Getting home on autopilot," or wake up in their car on their girlfriend's parents front lawn.

A couple of them sobered up.
Couple more died in car accidents or are in jail for DUI.

But here in Wisconsin, the Tavern League still has too much pull in our state government.

IronLionZion

(45,612 posts)
17. Obamacare covers alcohol and drug abuse treatment
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:47 PM
Apr 21

and providers ask about it during annual checkups and screenings.

I worked for shitty company years ago that sent out an email complaining that too many younger workers were using alcohol and drug abuse treatment and mental health treatment, driving up costs for everyone. I suppose older people are less likely to seek treatment.

Initech

(100,123 posts)
9. There should be absolutely ZERO excuse for this in 2024.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:11 PM
Apr 21

Holy fuck. An easily preventable tragedy. People, if you're going to drink, take an Uber. You have a phone, you have an Uber account, use it! Don't put other people's lives at risk. I hope this POS gets the maximum sentence that the law allows.

Srkdqltr

(6,363 posts)
12. I know the area. The driver had to be going to the boat club as its not a straight road.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 01:24 PM
Apr 21

I would bet she was passed out.
Son is on his Facebook hoping all friends kids are safe.

IronLionZion

(45,612 posts)
18. If I know I'm going to be drinking, I take transit, rideshare, or walk
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 03:53 PM
Apr 21

so I don't have to even think about driving home. Even small towns have a taxi service that you can call. Just save the number in your cell phone.

Crashing into a building full of kids.

20. Wouldn't you want the same punishment of any drunk driver; accident or not.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:52 PM
Apr 21

It seems that drunk driving is the crime.

Why should there be a different punishment when the decision to drive while intoxicated is the actual wrong doing in the fist place.

As an analogy, if someone shoots another with the intent to kill, it should not matter if the victim lives or dies, the punishment should be the same.

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