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CNN: House passes 61B Ukraine aid bill. Thanks Be! (Original Post) sprinkleeninow Apr 20 OP
MTG gave a Thumbs Down on that vote. ProudMNDemocrat Apr 20 #1
There is a 'record' being kept and it's not of this world. sprinkleeninow Apr 20 #5
Of course she did. ShazzieB Apr 20 #29
K & R! Fuck you, Trump and Putin! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 20 #2
All righty then TlalocW Apr 20 #3
Dems will save him. I suspect they have already made a deal. honest.abe Apr 20 #6
Yes. He held up his end. He personally endorsed the bill. Full throated support. onecaliberal Apr 20 #15
Dems keep him on and then perhaps "The rest of the story..." sprinkleeninow Apr 20 #11
I despise him to be sure. I have no idea why, but in this instance he did the right thing. onecaliberal Apr 21 #54
Suck it Moscow Marge and Putin. MarineCombatEngineer Apr 20 #4
Now on to Moscow Mitch Blue Idaho Apr 20 #10
+100. nt MarineCombatEngineer Apr 20 #12
Also DENVERPOPS Apr 20 #44
Turtle is on record wants total support of Ukraine PortTack Apr 20 #16
And Taiwan. LisaM Apr 20 #30
Thankfully and not a minute too soon. Ukraine needed this a month ago. Deuxcents Apr 20 #7
How fast can we load C 17's/C5's and the the ammo to Ukraine? mitch96 Apr 20 #17
I bet a bunch is already in Poland and Germany relayerbob Apr 20 #21
That's Actually My Understanding... GB_RN Apr 20 #36
Agree. nt mitch96 Apr 22 #56
I've never been for war of any kind. But, setting aside any conflicting stance, sprinkleeninow Apr 20 #24
It's very simple, actually. ShazzieB Apr 20 #34
Trump would invade Mexico Bobstandard Apr 20 #38
Please be enough to turn the tide Marthe48 Apr 20 #8
+-+-+ soldierant Apr 20 #35
This gets Ukraine through the US election Johnny2X2X Apr 20 #9
Whatever Putin does, if Trump wins, DENVERPOPS Apr 20 #43
And Putin will continue his march west into Poland, Moldova etc. rurallib Apr 20 #45
Volodymyr Zelensky is probably doing a jig right now. lpbk2713 Apr 20 #13
Rand Paul promises to gum up poli-junkie Apr 20 #14
What can he do alone? honest.abe Apr 20 #18
Any Senator can do a lot alone to gum up the works Silent3 Apr 20 #49
That is unfortunate. Its absurd one Senator can stop legislation indefinitely. honest.abe Apr 20 #50
Is he a ruzzian asset also? The way I see it is if any of these guys/gals are parroting ruzzian talking points they mitch96 Apr 20 #19
He made a one man Traildogbob Apr 20 #26
Ron/Rand Paul and McConnell campaign aid poli-junkie Apr 20 #51
Some common sense prevailed. Thank you. republianmushroom Apr 20 #20
Hooray. hooray! Thank you, Senator Schumer, Representative Hakeem Jeffries AND President Biden. Fla Dem Apr 20 #22
It goes to the Senate Warpy Apr 20 #23
Fingers, toes, arms crossed that this aid passes the Senate with no roadblocks. sprinkleeninow Apr 20 #25
Hellllooooo, Rand Paul... Bucky Apr 20 #28
Thank God! camartinwv Apr 20 #27
About freaking time Pas-de-Calais Apr 20 #31
Your post brought immediate tears for me. mysteryowl Apr 20 #32
I guess Marge didn't get her Jewish Space Lasers. }}} ----- Westcoast4life Apr 20 #33
Let's see who the Putin enablers really are. I wish for a money trail. They are clearly bought. nt Evolve Dammit Apr 20 #37
Both our wish orangecrush Apr 20 #40
Here's hoping! Evolve Dammit Apr 20 #41
Run Ivan RUN orangecrush Apr 20 #39
Slava Ukraini!!! Glory to the heroes. 58Sunliner Apr 20 #42
In a normal house, this kind of thing would be so routine it wouldn't make the news. lindysalsagal Apr 20 #46
Wonderful. Sky Jewels Apr 20 #47
🌻🇺🇦🌻! electric_blue68 Apr 20 #48
K&R usonian Apr 20 #52
Slava Ukraini!! blue-wave Apr 20 #53
I'm kicking this because usonian Apr 21 #55

onecaliberal

(32,900 posts)
54. I despise him to be sure. I have no idea why, but in this instance he did the right thing.
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 11:35 AM
Apr 21

Seems Liz Cheney is getting more company all the time. From what it sounds like Moses Mike can at least keep his word.

DENVERPOPS

(8,845 posts)
44. Also
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:47 PM
Apr 20

Biden should talk to all the NATO countries and explain that this is it, and they should contribute as much money or arms that they can.

Deuxcents

(16,351 posts)
7. Thankfully and not a minute too soon. Ukraine needed this a month ago.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:04 PM
Apr 20

The opposition will be out for retribution but we’ll be ready. Glory to Ukraine 🇺🇦

mitch96

(13,926 posts)
17. How fast can we load C 17's/C5's and the the ammo to Ukraine?
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:48 PM
Apr 20

The military industrial complex is doing a happy dance cause most of that money is going to THEM!!
Older Ammo and equipment scheduled for decommissioning (at a cost) is going to Ukraine. US gets new stuff and we don't pay for the decommissioning..
I bet also the MIC is gonna try new equipment in Ukraine to find out what works and what does not.
I'm not a war monger and it looks like a win win all around...accept for putin's ruzzia.
It's a shame private conscriptovich and his fellow troops are gonna die for the mad man in charge..
m

GB_RN

(2,384 posts)
36. That's Actually My Understanding...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 03:50 PM
Apr 20

Much of this stuff is/was in reserve storage at bases in Europe (and here). It’s a matter of loading it up and getting it to the US base(s) in Poland for transportation across the border.

sprinkleeninow

(20,263 posts)
24. I've never been for war of any kind. But, setting aside any conflicting stance,
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 03:02 PM
Apr 20
what are those with the wherewithal/resources to assist with/provide Ukraine with what it needs to defend itself supposed to do? Nothing, or not much, and allow Ukraine to perish/be destroyed?

"Slava Ukraini!"
"Slava Na Viki!"

ShazzieB

(16,537 posts)
34. It's very simple, actually.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 03:46 PM
Apr 20

Last edited Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:36 PM - Edit history (1)

For Marge and her ilk, the answer to your question would 100% be "Nothing, or not much, and allow Ukraine to perish/be destroyed."

Trump hates Zelensky's guts ever since he refused to go along with Trump's "dig up fake dirt on Biden" extortion scheme. I'm sure he hates Ukraine, too, for the same reason. He also admires Putin greatly and is grateful to him for the Russian interference in the 2016 election that helped get Trump into the White House.

In other words, Trump is completely on Putin's side. He doesn't just not care; I'm sure he actively roots for Putin to take over Ukraine.

Trump minions like MTG, Gaetz, and other members of the Lips Firmly Attached to Trump's Ass Caucus (aka the so-called Freedom Caucus) take their orders from Trump and want whatever he wants; therefore, giving help to Ukraine is something they will oppose to their last dying breath.

Bobstandard

(1,328 posts)
38. Trump would invade Mexico
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:13 PM
Apr 20

Trump would invade Mexico just to impress Putin. He’s that dumb. And Dangerous. Moscow Traitor Green and Matt Gaetz would applaud.

Marthe48

(17,035 posts)
8. Please be enough to turn the tide
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:05 PM
Apr 20

Next step. Seize the frozen russian assets and bankrupt their efforts to annex free countries!

Johnny2X2X

(19,118 posts)
9. This gets Ukraine through the US election
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:05 PM
Apr 20

And it’s as simple as this after that. If Biden wins re-election Ukraine will win their war, if Trump wins, Russia will take all of Ukraine and slaughter every elected official.

DENVERPOPS

(8,845 posts)
43. Whatever Putin does, if Trump wins,
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:41 PM
Apr 20

will be a lot less than what Trump and the Republican Party does here.....I guarantee you.............It is a very revenge oriented crowd, and they will make anyone who crossed them after 2016 through today. The huge Republican Think Tanks, are already brazen enough to publish some of the stuff they are going to do from day one, and it should frighten people, it is way beyond scary....

lpbk2713

(42,766 posts)
13. Volodymyr Zelensky is probably doing a jig right now.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:09 PM
Apr 20

Last edited Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:49 PM - Edit history (1)



His troops were down to making every bullet count.

Now go kick some Russian ass.




Silent3

(15,279 posts)
49. Any Senator can do a lot alone to gum up the works
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 06:35 PM
Apr 20

Remember how much Tuberville fucked over military promotions all by himself, for many long months. It's a matter of ridiculous Senate rules and traditions that badly need to be changed.

mitch96

(13,926 posts)
19. Is he a ruzzian asset also? The way I see it is if any of these guys/gals are parroting ruzzian talking points they
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:50 PM
Apr 20

are on the ruzzian payroll..
m

Traildogbob

(8,825 posts)
26. He made a one man
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 03:14 PM
Apr 20

Trip to Moscow right after the July 4 traitor Pay day by GQP, to hand deliver docs to Putin from Trump,
And of course, completely not allowed to be reviewed by anyone.
So yea, he is another Russian asshat.

Fla Dem

(23,764 posts)
22. Hooray. hooray! Thank you, Senator Schumer, Representative Hakeem Jeffries AND President Biden.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:57 PM
Apr 20

Without this great team and the Democratic Senators and Representatives, Ukraine would soon be under the rule of Putin.

I hope all Ukrainians are sighing a big sigh of relief.

Warpy

(111,355 posts)
23. It goes to the Senate
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 02:57 PM
Apr 20

If the Senate makes any changes, like deleting poison pill riders by the Nutcase Caucus, it will have to go back to the House, where it will not pass and they'll amend it again. Then it will go back to the Senate.

We have to hope the riders aren't objectionable enough thaty the Senate will pass the bill as is. It's the only way to allow it to exit Johnson's ping pong game to please his Lard and Savior.

Ukraine needs this aid and they need it now. Those additional Patriot batteries aren't going to do them much good without the missiles to fire, although it looks like something they've managed to come up with has exceeded the Patriot's range and is now shooting down planes much farther away.

Bucky

(54,068 posts)
28. Hellllooooo, Rand Paul...
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 03:28 PM
Apr 20

Republicans trying to help Putin conquer Ukraine aren't technically traitors to the United States. But they are traitors to liberty, freedom, and democracy.

mysteryowl

(7,396 posts)
32. Your post brought immediate tears for me.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 03:38 PM
Apr 20

Thank you.

I hate war for any reason, yet this situation I do believe we must continue to support Ukraine.

Is there going to be any issues in the Senate, I wonder?

58Sunliner

(4,410 posts)
42. Slava Ukraini!!! Glory to the heroes.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:24 PM
Apr 20

I watched a documentary on Ukraine last night-"Winter On Fire" about the ousting of Putins' puppet. It makes this war and destruction all the more heartbreaking. Recommended.

lindysalsagal

(20,733 posts)
46. In a normal house, this kind of thing would be so routine it wouldn't make the news.
Sat Apr 20, 2024, 04:49 PM
Apr 20

BREAKING: House passes bill!

usonian

(9,898 posts)
55. I'm kicking this because
Sun Apr 21, 2024, 05:53 PM
Apr 21

it's another great accomplishment by Joe Biden with a house in shambles.

The Biden-Harris administration is one of the most skilled and successful ever. Let's do all we can (and more) to return them to office with a solid blue house and senate.

How?
Organize Everywhere.
https://democrats.org/take-action/

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