US will veto Palestinian request for full UN membership at security council vote

[sarisataka]

US will veto Palestinian request for full UN membership at security council vote

The US has said it will veto a Palestinian request to the United Nations security council for full UN membership, blocking the world body’s recognition of a Palestinian state.

US officials had been hoping Washington could avoid use of its veto if other states objected to a draft resolution before the council recommending the “State of Palestine be admitted to membership of the United Nations”. But with the resolution due to go to a vote on Thursday evening, it had the support of up to 13 of the other 15 members.

The only confirmed abstention was the UK. Diplomats said the US mission was trying to convince one or two other council members to abstain, to mitigate Washington’s isolation on the issue, but American officials said they were resigned to having to wield the US veto once more in support of Israel.

Washington’s position is that the emergence of a Palestinian state had to be the outcome of negotiations on all aspects of a Middle East peace settlement.

“We completely believe in the two-state solution and a state for the Palestinian people. We believe the best and the most sustainable way to do that is through direct negotiations between the parties,” the White House national security spokesperson, John Kirby, told reporters on board Air Force One on Thursday.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/18/us-veto-palestine-membership-request-united-nations-council

[Autumn]

1. The White House needs to understand that Nutanyahoo does not want or

believe in the two-state solution and a state for the Palestinian people. That's not going to happen.

[brooklynite]

2. Unless you know otherwise, neither does the Palestinian Authority.

[Autumn]

3. I take that fool Nutanyahoo at his word. There is not going to be a two state solution. nt

[former9thward]

5. I take the Palestinian Authority at their word.

There will not be a two-state solution.

[sarisataka]

7. He isn't the only one opposed to a two state solution

Article Thirteen:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."

Now and then the call goes out for the convening of an international conference to look for ways of solving the (Palestinian) question. Some accept, others reject the idea, for this or other reason, with one stipulation or more for consent to convening the conference and participating in it. Knowing the parties constituting the conference, their past and present attitudes towards Moslem problems, the Islamic Resistance Movement does not consider these conferences capable of realising the demands, restoring the rights or doing justice to the oppressed. These conferences are only ways of setting the infidels in the land of the Moslems as arbitraters. When did the infidels do justice to the believers?

"But the Jews will not be pleased with thee, neither the Christians, until thou follow their religion; say, The direction of Allah is the true direction. And verily if thou follow their desires, after the knowledge which hath been given thee, thou shalt find no patron or protector against Allah." (The Cow - verse 120).

There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors. The Palestinian people know better than to consent to having their future, rights and fate toyed with. As in said in the honourable Hadith:

"The people of Syria are Allah's lash in His land. He wreaks His vengeance through them against whomsoever He wishes among His slaves It is unthinkable that those who are double-faced among them should prosper over the faithful. They will certainly die out of grief and desperation."

[Autumn]

12. Does Syria have any say over Palestine?

[sarisataka]

13. "People of Syria"

Which in this case refers to Muslims of the Levant, not the residentsofthecountryof Syria. The quote is from an Islamic text, included in Article 13 of the Hamas Covenant.

[Autumn]

14. The reason Nuttyahoo kept Hamas in power is because they are against a two state solution also. nt

[sarisataka]

15. Which was my point

There are multiple parties opposed to a two state solution. Quite consistently I have advocated all of those opposed should be removed from positions of power.

[Autumn]

17. Two parties control Palestine. Nuttyahoo and Hamas. No president has

ever been able to reach that unicorn of the two state solution and they won't.

[Cha]

4. TY.. Team Biden Knows What they're Doing.

[tritsofme]

6. Good, the request is a complete joke. A "state" cannot just be wished into existence.

Hamas is still the elected government of Gaza.

The incredibly unpopular Abbas is serving in year 19 of his single five year term as “president”

Who will run this “state”? Maybe at least figure that out first?

[moniss]

9. Something got "wished into existence"

before. But I agree that one should not have been done without the other no matter if one rejected the terms at the time. The Mandate should have reverted to the UN and continued. I don't care if it would have taken until the 12th of Never to resolve. If you weren't going to settle it all right at the end of British involvement then you maintain and keep going. Some parties didn't like having to wait? Tough.

[tritsofme]

10. It was not just a wish, the Israelis defeated their enemies who attempted to drive them into the sea.

[moniss]

11. We're talking about the end of the British Mandate

which is different than the ensuing armed engagement. The reason the UN had authority and still does is not because of some post 1948 entry into the matter. But the people who decry "terrorist groups/tactics/attacks" since 1948 would perhaps like to now finally be held to account for all of their own such groups/tactics/attacks prior to 1948. Oh that's right. Silly me. That will never happen because there is always that "solid vote" to be counted on. If people think it doesn't matter to hold those matters to account then I would remind them that it is that same pre end of Mandate ideological wing in Israel that supports and foments violence against Palestinians in the West Bank in the present day and is the same broad wing that hails as a hero the assassin of Rabin and holds the supporters of those who assisted as "patriots".

But for some people around the world the label of "terrorist" never gets applied when things happen in their favor and the acts are excused away, revised over time and then hailed as patriotic conduct. I've said it before many times that I decry all of the parties involved for all of their conduct because there is not one who failed to spend the lives of the children of the others as though they had no value. All while each claiming justification. Meanwhile peaceful people of the world are sickened by all sides because it is abundantly clear that all of the sides call themselves glorious and "chosen". When actually peaceful people see that the sides actually enjoy and justify their infliction of horror and violence. The proof of that has never been made more clear than the days including the attack on 10/7 and all of the days since.

[moniss]

20. It was "wished"

by the powers that be. But even the bloody British were smart enough after their decades of misery in dealing with all sides to warn the UN that this would be a disaster from the start unless it was an agreement by all parties. They were right but for some parties in all of this it didn't matter as long as they got what they wanted.

[moniss]

8. So everybody bumps their gums for 75+

years with the phrase "two state solution" while mostly refusing to prevent the illegal settlements and resolve all outstanding issues which go way beyond just borders. It is not the fault of the Palestinians that the issues of compensation and right of return were included by the UN years ago. The powers that be knew they could hamstring resolution of matters in perpetuity by always trying to say "no, no, no we must resolve borders first" while doing nothing to prevent the illegal settlements and annexations. If we veto Bibi the Crook is going to look at this as his green light. Meanwhile the Democratic Party will face the political heat while Bibi goes rolling along. The General Assembly should pass a resolution condemning the US action. Here we are talking out of one side of our mouth around the world about the right of people in other places to have self determination and in this case the other side of our mouth has all kinds of manufactured preconditions.

[Cha]

16. Kick TY 💙🇺🇸

[David__77]

18. "Two states" appears to be a slogan to justify the one state reality of permanent subjugation. Shameful.

[Cha]

19. Kick for the USA!