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Lunabell

(6,111 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 03:57 PM Apr 7

Cindy McCain says her organization can feed 1.1 million people in Gaza, but Israel is hindering their efforts.

Last edited Sun Apr 7, 2024, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Cindy McCain, representing the World Food Program, says the organization has enough food to feed 1.1 million people in Gaza for 3 months, but Israel is only allowing a trickle to enter. Innocents are literally starving



“We’re literally on the brink of going over the edge — over the cliff — with famine and not being able to recover from it,” McCain said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union” with Jake Tapper.
The remarks come as the situation in Gaza continues to grow more dire. Last month, the WFP published a report saying famine “is imminent in the northern part of the Gaza Strip.”

The Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) report, published last month, found about half the population in Gaza, about 1.1 million people, have exhausted all of their food supplies and are facing “catastrophic hunger” and starvation.

On Sunday, McCain stressed the importance of the border crossings, saying the WFP has food for 1.1 million people for three months amassed on the border and just needs to be let into the Gaza Strip.

McCain was unable to say specifically whether reports that Israel was withdrawing some troops from southern Gaza would make it easier to deliver aid to people who need it.


https://thehill.com/policy/international/4579349-cindy-mccain-says-gaza-on-the-edge-of-going-over-the-cliff-with-famine-and-not-being-able-to-recover/
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Cindy McCain says her organization can feed 1.1 million people in Gaza, but Israel is hindering their efforts. (Original Post) Lunabell Apr 7 OP
Damn - no effin comment FHRRK Apr 7 #1
That is because Israel is making war on the population of Gaza. Chainfire Apr 7 #2
Yea, that's sad. bluestarone Apr 7 #26
Israeli needs to end its war on Gaza now. Voltaire2 Apr 7 #3
This and land theft malaise Apr 7 #9
You know how we can find out for sure? TheProle Apr 7 #25
Limiting food for people in Gaza is by no means new. Israel has been doing it for many years. David__77 Apr 7 #4
Right. Because it's unknown for Hamas marybourg Apr 7 #5
Your sarcastic remark about starving children in Gaza is noted. Lunabell Apr 7 #6
You should be ashamed obamanut2012 Apr 7 #7
+1 TomDaisy Apr 7 #11
+1 Chautauquas Apr 7 #20
You embarrass yourself. nt PufPuf23 Apr 7 #10
Hamas is not imbedded in the well-established organizations trying to feed Gaza. MadameButterfly Apr 7 #13
See Post #14. N/T AloeVera Apr 7 #15
Dude, thats totally fucked up. N/t gay texan Apr 7 #24
I guess they let a tiny trickle in Basic LA Apr 7 #8
EEK!! Scary Humanitarians armed with food are attempting to feed starving people!! Ping Tung Apr 7 #12
For anyone still doubting Israel's obstruction, AloeVera Apr 7 #14
She didn't say "only a trickle" is entering. She said they continue to deliver food and expect it to increase. SunSeeker Apr 7 #16
It was trickling in. Lunabell Apr 7 #18
That's not what Cindy McCain said. nt SunSeeker Apr 7 #19
So? Lunabell Apr 7 #21
Why make shit up? Just state your rant and don't try attributing it to Cindy MCain. SunSeeker Apr 7 #30
So, I have to bring up every other issue about starving kids just to satisfy you? Lunabell Apr 7 #32
No, just don't make shit up. nt SunSeeker Apr 7 #33
Only 1/100th and of the food needed is getting in. AloeVera Apr 7 #27
They said it was 1/100th of what is needed, not 1/100th of what she is trying to get in. SunSeeker Apr 7 #31
Horrifying. AloeVera Apr 7 #35
I'm not defending famine, that is ludicrous. Progressives shouldn't make shit up. SunSeeker Apr 7 #36
That almost all WFP trucks are getting thru is not a fact AloeVera Apr 7 #38
Israel is part of the problem, but so is looting (i.e. Hamas), as Cindy McCain noted. SunSeeker Apr 7 #39
Bibi is doing TSF's bidding for his own agenda. bucolic_frolic Apr 7 #17
Hating on Netenyahoo is not anti-semetic or anti-Isreal aeromanKC Apr 7 #22
Exactly! Lunabell Apr 7 #23
Good for her for speaking out on this Warpy Apr 7 #28
How many nations have broken relations with Israel since the Hamas attack? former9thward Apr 7 #29
Can she get the hostages released? PCIntern Apr 7 #34
I'm sure she would if she could. Lunabell Apr 7 #37

Voltaire2

(13,187 posts)
3. Israeli needs to end its war on Gaza now.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 04:14 PM
Apr 7

After 6 months it is obvious that ‘rescuing the hostages’ was never the goal. Instead the goal is collective punishment of the entire population of Gaza, with the intention of destroying Gaza as a community.

marybourg

(12,635 posts)
5. Right. Because it's unknown for Hamas
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 04:25 PM
Apr 7

to insinuate arms, ammunition and terrorist supplies into humanitarian shipments, so no examination necessary.

MadameButterfly

(1,066 posts)
13. Hamas is not imbedded in the well-established organizations trying to feed Gaza.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 05:04 PM
Apr 7

Imagining Hamas was in Chef Andre's group, which they would never allow, was just an excuse. And you are buying in.
You are saying ANY aid has Hamas hidden in it. The only solution then is to starve the whole population. You good with that?

 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
8. I guess they let a tiny trickle in
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 04:31 PM
Apr 7

to have plausible deniability in starving the survivors of their carpet bombing. Such transparent B.S.

Ping Tung

(700 posts)
12. EEK!! Scary Humanitarians armed with food are attempting to feed starving people!!
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 04:47 PM
Apr 7

What will be the outcome if well fed infants start demanding hospitals to be reopened?? It will be a total Foodagedden!!

What next? Medicine for the injured or ill?

AloeVera

(946 posts)
14. For anyone still doubting Israel's obstruction,
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 05:30 PM
Apr 7

Refugees International, a well-respected NGO, released a report based on their field research and analysis.

Their report is titled "Siege and Starvation: How Israel Obstructs Aid to Gaza"

From the Executive Summary:

Despite its claims to be facilitating humanitarian aid, research and analysis by Refugees International shows that Israeli conduct has consistently and groundlessly impeded aid operations within Gaza, blocked legitimate relief operations, and resisted implementing measures that would genuinely enhance the flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza.

....

Israeli policies and conduct are causing a man-made humanitarian crisis. Refugees International found routine and arbitrary denial of legitimate humanitarian goods from entering Gaza; a highly complicated Israeli inspection and approval process without clear or consistent instructions; frequent denials of humanitarian movements within Gaza; clear indications that Israel has failed to establish functional humanitarian deconfliction; and persistent attacks on Gaza’s humanitarian, health, food, power, and other critical infrastructure that have simultaneously debilitated the aid effort and escalated needs.

Israel’s conduct of its attacks in Gaza calls into question its adherence to International Humanitarian Law (IHL), as well as both the propriety and legality of the United States continuing to supply it with arms...


They've come up with decent recommendations.

Much more at link.
https://www.refugeesinternational.org/reports-briefs/siege-and-starvation-how-israel-obstructs-aid-to-gaza/#:~:text=Despite%20Israel's%20claims%20that%20it,blocks%20of%20critical%20humanitarian%20items.

SunSeeker

(51,724 posts)
16. She didn't say "only a trickle" is entering. She said they continue to deliver food and expect it to increase.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 05:33 PM
Apr 7

She thanked Biden for "shaking things loose" (getting more ports open) so they can get more food in.

Does anyone watch the video before commenting? She said she understands why Israel has to search the trucks before entering, she just hopes the process can become more efficient.

Lunabell

(6,111 posts)
18. It was trickling in.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 05:43 PM
Apr 7

Before the hit on the World Kitchen volunteers. Netenyahu probably got blessed out by President Biden the other day and he decided the world view of this war was turning against him and that starving babies is a bad look.

On edit: Yep:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/06/politics/biden-netanyahu-israel-gaza-war-phone-call-details/index.html

Lunabell

(6,111 posts)
21. So?
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 06:00 PM
Apr 7

Are you arguing the doors were wide open? Trickling in is a figure of speech and we all know that's what happened. She said people are starving to death and on the brink of no return and you're arguing semantics? Geesh!

SunSeeker

(51,724 posts)
30. Why make shit up? Just state your rant and don't try attributing it to Cindy MCain.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 08:01 PM
Apr 7

If you cared so much about starving children, why not bring up what is happening in Suden, as Cindy McCain did. There are 18 million acutely food insecure people within that country and around 3.8 million Sudanese children under 5 years old are malnourished. Most are trapped in areas of active fighting where WFP and other aid agencies are struggling to maintain consistent access.

Lunabell

(6,111 posts)
32. So, I have to bring up every other issue about starving kids just to satisfy you?
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 08:13 PM
Apr 7

That's a ridiculous argument.

AloeVera

(946 posts)
27. Only 1/100th and of the food needed is getting in.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 06:43 PM
Apr 7

That was her finding. It's in the video.

It's a trickle. But the 99 out of a hundred people starving don't really care what it's called.

When asked who is responsible, she answers Well, it's Israel in control.

When even Cindy McCain speaks out, you can assume the situation is catastrophic. WFP staff members have called for her to step down and accused her of not leveraging her position to speak out on behalf of Palestinian suffering. It appears she is at least speaking now, though I don't find her very effective.

If you'd rather listen to more experienced figures in humanitarian work, read the report from Refugees International, run by a senior ex-official in USAID in the Obama and Biden administrations.

https://www.refugeesinternational.org/reports-briefs/siege-and-starvation-how-israel-obstructs-aid-to-gaza/#:~:text=Despite%20Israel's%20claims%20that%20it,blocks%20of%20critical%20humanitarian%20items.

SunSeeker

(51,724 posts)
31. They said it was 1/100th of what is needed, not 1/100th of what she is trying to get in.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 08:13 PM
Apr 7

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As she noted, there are lots of places around the world in similar straights, like Haiti, indeed some are even worse, like Sudan. There are 18 million acutely food insecure people within Sudan and around 3.8 million Sudanese children under 5 years old are malnourished. Most are trapped in areas of active fighting where WFP and other aid agencies are struggling to maintain consistent access. Where are the tears for Sudan?

AloeVera

(946 posts)
35. Horrifying.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 09:37 PM
Apr 7

WFP is now the largest agency in Gaza, at least in the North, since Israel has blocked UNRWA from there. So 1/100 th of what is needed is pretty much the same thing as what she is able to get in. That's a pretty damning statistic, any way you look at it. I don't see your point. People are starving, why quibble?

Gaza has passed malnourishment and acute food insecurity of Sudan and Haiti. The famine has now started. Gaza is at level V of the IPC measurement, the highest. The window to avert famine has now closed, according to experts. I don't think many people understand what that means. Here is a credible article to explain it for you. It's horrifying.

https://www.justsecurity.org/93841/gazas-famine-is-underway/

You're not likely to take advice from me, but I really suggest at this point you stop defending what is transparently, unquestionably a man-made famine representing unfathomable suffering and evil.

SunSeeker

(51,724 posts)
36. I'm not defending famine, that is ludicrous. Progressives shouldn't make shit up.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 09:59 PM
Apr 7

Leave that for the MAGAts. It's not "quibbling." Facts matter. If people are saying 1/100th of McCain's trucks get through when in fact almost all get through, the problem is delay and looting. Now more ports are getting opened to deal with that. You can't fix a problem if you don't accurately describe it.

AloeVera

(946 posts)
38. That almost all WFP trucks are getting thru is not a fact
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:11 PM
Apr 7

The problem has been described for you both in this video and the report I referred you to. Numerous other aid agencies have described the problem including Oxfam and the UN.

Israel is the problem.

You can't fix a problem when you are desperately searching for every other culprit and cause while making excuses for the one committing the crime in front of you.

This is my last response to you.

SunSeeker

(51,724 posts)
39. Israel is part of the problem, but so is looting (i.e. Hamas), as Cindy McCain noted.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 11:52 PM
Apr 7

Further, Hamas has demanded that food air drops stop. Those air drops had been getting food directly to noncombatants and bypassing Hamas looters.



I agree, you can't fix a problem "if you're desperately searching for every other culprit and making excuses for the one committing the crime in front of you."

WFP's trucks are getting through, but they are taking too long to get through and are being looted, as Cindy McCain said. Obviously much more aid is needed. Nobody is disputing that.

With regard to your earlier statement that Gaza has "passed Sudan" in terms of hunger, that is simply wrong. Your own link to a discussion of the latest IPC analysis states "the IPC process stopped short of declaring an active famine" in Gaza. Sudan has been in famine since last year. 27 individuals (23 of those being children) have died from hunger and dehydration in Gaza. https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/care-warns-babies-and-toddlers-north-gaza-dying-slow-and-painful-death-starvation#:~:text=At%20least%2027%20individuals%20(23,the%20start%20of%20the%20war. At least 498 children in Sudan and likely hundreds more have died from hunger, including two dozen babies in a state orphanage, as critical services run out of food or close since the violence broke out in April of 2023.
https://reliefweb.int/report/sudan/nearly-500-children-die-hunger-sudan-fighting-halts-life-saving-treatment-programmes

The war in Sudan has triggered the world's largest hunger crisis, with 18 million people facing acute hunger in Sudan, as opposed to 2 million in Gaza.  https://reliefweb.int/report/sudan/sudan-ipc-acute-food-insecurity-analysis-october-2023-february-2024-published-december-12-2023#:~:text=The%20latest%20projection%20update%20of,IPC%20Phase%203%20or%20above%20(

Both situations are horrific man made disasters. But to state that Gaza is a worse situation than Sudan is simply wrong. The problem is so much bigger in Sudan. There is no excuse for how we and the world are ignoring Sudan. I'm glad to hear Cindy McCain say Sudan needs food "NOW," it can't wait. Hopefully it will get some attention now, even if not from you.

Lunabell

(6,111 posts)
23. Exactly!
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 06:10 PM
Apr 7

Hating on musky is not anti-atheist. Hating on putin is not anti-christian. Hating on hamas is not anti-muslim. Hating on modi is not anti-hindu. They all suck!!

Warpy

(111,354 posts)
28. Good for her for speaking out on this
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 07:00 PM
Apr 7

It looks like the IDF has become a law unto itself, even Netanyahu has to know how much bad press Israel is getting these days because of the attack on WCK and the way the IDF is dragging its boots on letting any aid, even drinking water, though their check points.

This will end some day and the people who managed to survive it will tell their stories and those stories will be harrowing, this sort of calamity visited on any population anywhere often produces stories of those who survived on the flesh of the dead, so brace yoursleves. Those stories will not diminish the Palestinian Arabs, they will diminish the Israeli commanders whose paranoia and single minded devotion to slaughter blinded them to the humanity of starving people..

Israel needs to catch a clue and soon, or it will find itself standing completely alone in the world, supported only by Jews who still cling to it as a last hope in case the world goes crazy again.

Lunabell

(6,111 posts)
37. I'm sure she would if she could.
Sun Apr 7, 2024, 10:49 PM
Apr 7

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Any normal decent human being would.

And your glib response is pretty sad. How can you be so glib about this horrendous situation?
Like I said, any normal decent human being would absolutely bring the hostages home and furthermore the terror attack on 10-7 was a horrendous, disgusting act against civilians. I absolutely do not support hamas. I absolutely do support the Palestinians who want to live in peace and feed their children.

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