NO ONE has mentioned that what Trump's "Bible" does ....

[CousinIT]

NO ONE has mentioned that what Trump's "Bible" does is mix church and state together; it comingles government founding documents with a religious text. AS IF they were one and the same and belong together.

THEY ARE NOT one and the same.
THEY DO NOT belong together.

Link to tweet

[getagrip_already]

1. I really didnt even want to know the pages were sticky....

Now I can't unsee that.

Ewwww.

[forgotmylogin]

31. Anyone found the edits they made to the "only Bible endorsed by Donald Trump'?

Like the part where God says "Thou shalt not suffer the Woke Liberals to Conduct Witch Hunts...Immigrants from other Lands should be shunned and beaten back in the rivers they cross which are Filled with Saw Blades, except the Immigrants who are White-ish, Female, a solid 8 or better, and looking to marry their first Wealthy Husband..." ?

[Traildogbob]

2. Yea

Moscow Mike “Redacted” that part, for Trump, out of the complimentary Constitution that is being sold with the red BuyBull.
Bill Barr loaned him a 3/4 empty black marker for that.

[Think. Again.]

4. I guess I'm just realizing that...

....anyone can just write whatever nonsense they want and title it "The Bible".

I guess that's not trademarked?

Maybe some good people should start doing that.

[TwilightZone]

5. It's just a King James Bible.

It's nothing that Trump or anyone else wrote or modified. The tweet in the OP makes it sound like it's some combination of the bible and historical docs, but that's not true. It's just a KJB packaged with separate copies of the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence and the Pledge of Allegiance.

[Think. Again.]

6. Oh. But maybe we could still just use the title for some actually positive stuff?

Maybe I could just use the author name Prince James, and write some good, positive stories, and title the whole thing "The Prince James Bible"?

Or would the literary estate of Mr. James sue me?

[RussellCattle]

25. Here's a thought. Howard Zinn wrote a book called "A People's History of the United States" that took to task.....

......many of our countries "fundamentalist, nationalist glorification of our country" and it's mythology. Maybe your "Prince James Bible" could do some sort of take off on this, a critical look at "Scripture", it's many falsehoods, exaggerations and contradictions (Old Testament we can do without) and do more of distillation of the good stuff. You know, Jesus and the children, or the fallen women, or the moneylenders in the temple.

[Think. Again.]

27. That sounds great!...

...and update everything into more modern scenarios to make it easy to digest.

But it sounds to me you have a much better grasp of how this can be done (I've never read the thing).

Therefore, I bequeath unto you, the glorious and everlasting (until copyright runs out) pen-name of Prince James.

Go in peace.

[RussellCattle]

36. "Holy Smokes", he ejaculated in surprise. I am honored and amazed. But perhaps you should know that besides.....

......my now apparently questionable writing style, when I suggested a little bit of acceptable Bible platitudes, I really "shot my wad" in that realm. Though "glorious and everlasting pen name" does strike a chord. Maybe I'll give it a try. Thanks.

[Think. Again.]

40. Cool, and be sure to add all that Onanism for authenticity!

[RussellCattle]

43. Gonna "spill my seed" man.

[lastlib]

23. We should be calling it the "King Donald Bible".......

I think I'll pass on buying it. I have a KJV bible, and at least 20 copies of the Constitution/BoRs, and at least 8 copies of the Declaration in my bookcase already. I don't want their flawed Pledge of Allegiance that's written with "one nation under God"--mine says "one nation under LAW." Thanks, but no.

[ThoughtCriminal]

47. I wonder if he is trying sell them in the U.K.?

I seem to recall that the KJV is still covered by Crown Copyright there and he would have to pay royalties to the monarchy.

Not that "God Bless the U.S.A Bible" would be a big seller there (well maybe with the Brexit gang).

[Think. Again.]

48. That's interesting, but I guess that copyright doesn't apply here?...

...I guess he would just pay the royalty though.

[ThoughtCriminal]

49. Applies in the U.K., not sure about Commonwealth.

If I understand it correctly, in the U.K. Crown Copyright for KJV Bible has been continuously renewed.

That is not universal for Crown Copyright - for example Ordinance Survey maps created before 2015 expire after 50 years. Quite a contrast to here, where USGS maps are public domain from publication.

But the KJV is public domain in the United States, which is why His Majesty Trump chose that version (and the fact that it is popular with fundies). It is really a rather awful translation, full of misleading and sometimes downright bizarre passages.

[Escurumbele]

7. Interesting thought, but I don't think the buffoon cares about that, he just wants the money.

If someone else came up with the intention you talk about? Maybe, but definitely not from the buffoon.

[AmBlue]

8. It also conflates....

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...TSF with Christianity which is the very definition of blasphemy (if there even is a God), and further confuses the sad souls donating their grocery money to defend this disgusting waste of oxygen.

[H2O Man]

9. I did.

I discussed this yesterday.

[Shoonra]

10. A small digression

Trump is selling a King James Version of the Bible, with the subtle suggestion that not owning this particular edition casts doubts on your patriotism, but back in 2017, at his inauguration, he took his oath on a "family bible" which was a Revised Standard Version.

I assume he has not yet issued a TV commercial for these Bibles because, when he picks one up, it bursts into flames.

[ThoughtCriminal]

50. He would have to pay Royalties for that version

Since RSV is still covered by copyright.

In the United States he can use the KJV without paying royalties (if he sells it in the UK he would have to pay the Crown).

[StarryNite]

11. They sure as hell are not the same and never should

be considered the same. If people want religion there are places for whatever kind of religion they can dream up. But keep it out of our politics.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

12. The American flag has no business on a Bible

Link to tweet

[hadEnuf]

15. It's blasphemous.

n/t

[Celerity]

16. wow

[RainCaster]

37. Those are really small hands

[Celerity]

39. Small hands, small mushroom

[CousinIT]

33. Thank you. I had not seen that. Retweeting the hell out of it. n/t

[William Seger]

13. No one is asking, "How much would Jesus charge?"

[hadEnuf]

14. I read a while back that conservatives were working on a "new" Bible because the current on is too "liberal".

Maybe this is a version of it?

These people slither instead of walking.

[Celerity]

17. Boebert as the foot-washed prozzie, lolololol

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

32. Yes, that would be Andrew Shitfly, er Schlafly

the creator of Conservapedia and son of anti-feminist Phyllis Schafly. The Conservative Bible Project would, among other things, put a free-market spin on the teachings of Jesus.

[jcgoldie]

18. seems like if one of them cracked that constitution that comes with the trump bible...

... they may learn something about separation of church and state.

[ancianita]

26. If they even crack open the Bible itself they'll learn about separation of church and state.

The accounts in Matthew 22:15–22 and Mark 12:13–17 say that the questioners were Pharisees and Herodians, while Luke 20:20–26 says only that they were "spies" sent by "teachers of the law and the chief priests".

Jesus responds to Pontius Pilate about the nature of his kingdom: "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But now (or 'as it is') my kingdom is not from the world" (John 18:36); i.e., his religious teachings were separate from earthly political activity.

This reflects a traditional division in Christian thought -- quoting Jesus in all four gospels -- by which state and church have separate spheres of influence.[13] This can be interpreted either a Catholic, or Thomist, way (Gelasian doctrine) or a Protestant, or Lockean, way (separation of church and state).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar

The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus Christ is the source of divine revelation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magisterium

As with every past fascist state, fascists and fascist leaders first present themselves as Christian.
Fascism is anti-democracy and anti-Jesus, and therefore not biblical OR Christian.

[meadowlander]

46. Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and unto God what is God's.

Mark 12:17

[Ocelot II]

51. Satan offered Jesus dominion over all the kingdoms of the world, and Jesus told him

to fuck right off. Trump would have taken that deal.

[ancianita]

52. lol yep

Matthew reports (in the New Testament, 85 CE) that Jesus actually quoted the much older scripture from Deuteronomy 6:13 (7th Cent. BCE) -- "“Be gone, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.' Then the devil left Him, and behold, angels came and ministered to Him.”
(Matt 4:8–10).

Trump's antichrist art of the deal is to speak evil of judges and sell out other souls to Satan.
I can't feel sorry for these people when they choose to trade democracy for the 'book of trump' phony promises and legal bluster. Something along the lines of "better to reign in hell than serve in heaven."

[Torchlight]

19. I think we're watching an everything-but-official announcement

that the not-so-secret secret is out and ready for airing: the GOP is almost finished mobilizing itself into a very large cabal of radical Christian clerics experimenting with an heretical and secular control of state government at the expense of an ever-expanding list of clearly measurable freedoms.

[Ping Tung]

20. Are they mixing the dirty parts of the bible in with the constitution?

The bible is a book with some beautiful poetry, a blood stained history, a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of 10,-000 lies.

Mark Twain

[ancianita]

53. There are no dirty parts.

In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Savior gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it, we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man's welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.

Abraham Lincoln

[Ping Tung]

57. I'm sticking to Mark Twain's assessment of the book as the most reliable.

It's a book written by a whole lot of different people at different times and different locations with different motives. All about the same God but given slightly different names. Although the Christians managed to squeeze 3 Gods into one.

A Cruel God makes a Cruel man. Thomas Paime

Of all the Gods available I never could understand why people who need a deity would pick one that demands that they fear it.

[ancianita]

58. Cool. Mark Twain v Abe Lincoln, John Quincy Adams, Grant,Truman, Obama, Biden.

Lettered, learned men, along with 41% of today's scientists.

Francis S. Collins, PhD Yale; MD, UNC, Chapel Hill:

"The God of the Bible is also the God of the genome. He can be worshipped in the cathedral or in the laboratory. His creation is majestic, awesome, intricate...and it [creation] cannot be at war with itself. Only we imperfect humans can start such battles. And only we can end them."

Morever, the Christian Bible is a fundamental history of law in the Western world; all of Common Law and International Law -- and the original concepts of "commandments," "Law," "statutes," "testimonies," "rules of evidence," "rules of enforcement" are based on biblical principles and practice before the historical Jesus days.

Most people, Christian, atheist, or otherwise, don't care enough about this ancient text of Western thought to make even the slightest effort to understand its ancient contexts and contents. Yet across Western nations, whole university arts and sciences majors are devoted to study of adjacent topics from art history, music history, archeology, psychology, theology, to philosophy of religion to neuroscience, etc…

[dflprincess]

21. I'm surprised the Richter scale hasn't reported an earthquake in Virginia

Given the rates Madison & Jefferson must be spinning in their graves.

[Scalded Nun]

22. It takes you straight to Hell

[Seinan Sensei]

24. I'm guessing that the Trump Bible comes with "unacceptable" parts already cut-out

Like the parts that say take care of widows and orphans (i.e. anyone who cannot care for themselves)
Like the parts that say feed the poor, give a cup of cold water to the thirsty, etc.
Like the parts that mandate the welcoming of strangers
Like the part about "easier getting a camel through the eye of a needle vs. getting a rich person into heaven"
Like the part about "y'all go to hell" to those who did not feed the hungry, etc. (Matthew 25:41-46)
Like the part about "welcome to heaven, y'all" to those who fed the hungry, etc. (Matthew 25:31-40)
Like the part about endorsing Jubilee ("the year of the Lord's favor" Luke 4:19, Isaiah 61:1-2)
Like the parts about acting justly, loving mercy, walking humbly (e.g. Micah 6:8)

If you took scissors and physically cut-out all the parts about poverty, justice, Jubilee, rich vs. poor, then you will have a Bible that literally is falling apart.

[AverageOldGuy]

29. Didn't Jefferson do just that, except the opposite?

I've always heard that Jefferson produced "The Jefferson Bible" by cutting out all the miracles, talking donkeys, raising from the dead, and the like, leaving only the moral lessons.

Amos 5:24, New International Version

But let justice roll on like a river, righteousness like a never-failing stream!

[AverageOldGuy]

28. I'm confused . . .

. . . my Southern Baptist cousins keep telling me the USofA is a Christian nation, founded on the (King James Version) Bible, our laws come from the Pentateuch, and liberal commies like me are going to Hell.

And now you're telling me we are not so founded?????

I'm confused.

Meanwhile, if my Southern Baptist cousins are what I have to put up with in Heaven, I prefer the other place. Except for the heat, it will be just fine, being surrounded by smart people.

[GB_RN]

45. Won't Be Any Heat...

Since all the scientists will be there, it will already have air conditioning!

[SergeStorms]

30. I wouldn't say "no one"....

but damned few, and it pisses me off!

It's time to start taxing churches NOW!

[calimary]

38. Might make 'em think twice about messing around in politics.

Besides, that’s where the money is!

We all pay to fix the roads that lead to their churches and schools. I think there may be many aspects of modern society of which public taxing helps ease their burden. Energy grids and safe water and foodstuffs. Property taxes. We all pay for lots of things that their religious exemptions allow them to avoid, or pay at a reduced level. That should start changing. Pay your share! Your congregations will inevitably rise up to absorb or offset those costs anyway.

[SergeStorms]

54. Police protection....

fire departments etc.

They use this country's infrastructure as much as anyone else. These crystal cathedral asshats pay themselves millions every year, and not one penny in taxes. Then they preach politics from the pulpit and act as a single voting bloc for right-wing lunatics who'll pretend to have their interests at heart.

ENOUGH! Tax these holier-than-thou pricks.

[calimary]

56. Yep!

[calimary]

34. NO FREAKIN' KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!!!

So says this lapsed Catholic! Get yer religion OUT OF MY GOVERNMENT!!!!!

[JoseBalow]

35. I assume it's a coloring book

[Botany]

41. "As if there is a wall between Church and State," Thomas Jefferson.

Freedom of Religion also means freedom from religion too.

[Farmer-Rick]

42. A door to door bible salesman

Is the epitomy of a con.

I think it comes from the 1969 film with David Maysles, Albert Maysles, and Charlotte Zwerin’s Salesman.

"Zwerin and the Maysles follow four door-to-door Bible salesmen across the United States. Their targets are working-class Catholics, many of whom cannot afford the luxury of an ornate Bible but cave to the con's tactics."

"The filmmakers accompany them on their sales trips.........Salesman’s (the movie's) recognition of the relationship between capitalism and Christianity remains eerily relevant in light of contemporary America’s embrace of prosperity theology."

https://hyperallergic.com/528822/salesman-maysles-brothers-zwerin/

So here we are 55 years later, and Trump takes up the mantle of the ultimate con preying on the religiously gullible for a buck.

[SupportSanity]

44. I hope that we can separate church and state again...

But I don't think that will ever happen in my lifetime.

There was always a little blending of church and state, but not this.

Cable changed all that.

Then social media.

At present, we give the church a tax break... and they are trying to overthrow our government.

What a country?!

[niyad]

55. I did.