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Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 06:37 PM Mar 26

If I sell sandwiches to 10 people at $10 per sandwich, then raise the price to $30 and lose 5 customers.

I still would have increased my revenue by 50%.

Businesses do not care about losing customers to higher prices so long as the remaining customers pay more for the same goods/services which more than makes up for lost customers.

Economics isn't my strong suit. But I think that's what we're experiencing and why so many people hold a negative view of the economy overall. There's enough demand for higher priced goods that businesses can show increased profits over less consumers.

If Disneyland charged $2000 a ticket just to get into the park, it wouldn't matter bc enough people would buy at that price to make up for the lost customers.

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If I sell sandwiches to 10 people at $10 per sandwich, then raise the price to $30 and lose 5 customers. (Original Post) Yavin4 Mar 26 OP
Business wise it's actually better to have higher prices. jimfields33 Mar 26 #1
A regular coffee at Starbucks in NYC is almost $4. Yavin4 Mar 26 #3
That's actually not horrible jimfields33 Mar 26 #6
Nice Pun ProfessorGAC Mar 26 #14
lol. Rare humor. jimfields33 Mar 26 #15
And, BTW... ProfessorGAC Mar 26 #17
Especially for a monopoly with little if any regulation. Marcus IM Mar 26 #5
How much did you distribute to your shareholders? Or did you use profits to buy back shares to further inflate value? Marcus IM Mar 26 #2
How do black markets work? Marthe48 Mar 26 #4
It's about price points. pecosbob Mar 26 #7
You may lose your remaining customers to a shop that has $20 sandwhiches. Earth-shine Mar 26 #8
Why would you when you can charge $30 on a sandwich? Yavin4 Mar 26 #12
If I open a store with $20 sandwhiches, I can steal all your customers. Earth-shine Mar 26 #19
"You need to find more reasonable suppliers." Yavin4 Mar 26 #20
I looked at the list. That's packaged food. I'm sure I could find bread and cold cuts without the big suppliers. Earth-shine Mar 26 #22
That's why you send lobbyists to government to have them force the other shop out of business, Oneironaut Mar 27 #24
Not only did you increase revenue, but you decreased material goods and its handling by 50% TheBlackAdder Mar 26 #9
I teach Supply and Demand in my HS Economics class. Bucky Mar 26 #10
Its not just the seller... brooklynite Mar 26 #11
Disney could really screw over Florida by limiting tickets to those with in-park stays. TheBlackAdder Mar 26 #13
The Ideal Point Is Called Equilibrium ProfessorGAC Mar 26 #16
Response Yavin4 Mar 26 #18
You're Kind Of Moving The Goalposts ProfessorGAC Mar 27 #23
People get angry having to pay for basic needs JI7 Mar 26 #21

jimfields33

(15,803 posts)
1. Business wise it's actually better to have higher prices.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 06:44 PM
Mar 26

Less stock, less overhead, less employees. As long as you have just enough customers, the business will be good.

jimfields33

(15,803 posts)
6. That's actually not horrible
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 06:49 PM
Mar 26

I went to subway today for the first time in literally 5 years and a foot long set me back $12.97. I almost had a culinary. I’ll never step foot in one again. Now that is outrageous pricing.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
17. And, BTW...
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 09:05 PM
Mar 26

..I agree with you on Subway. We've sworn off. If we want simple & fast, I go to the supermarket and get fixing for subs. 6 slices of ham, 3 slices turkey, a head of iceberg, a tomato, a green pepper & the store French rolls.
Probably $15, and we have enough for three big sandwiches. Plus the lettuce is left over for tomorrow.
I think Subway prices are ridiculous. Not that they caused a culinary or anything!

Marcus IM

(2,203 posts)
5. Especially for a monopoly with little if any regulation.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 06:49 PM
Mar 26

Capitalism is a system of rationing.

Those with enough money get product/service X.
Those without enough money do not get product/service X.

Capitalist rationing works great for everyone ... everyone who is rich.

Marcus IM

(2,203 posts)
2. How much did you distribute to your shareholders? Or did you use profits to buy back shares to further inflate value?
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 06:45 PM
Mar 26



I agree with your premise.


Marthe48

(16,959 posts)
4. How do black markets work?
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 06:47 PM
Mar 26

I think it's past time to get some competition against the corporations.

I can't tell you how many things I don't buy now, not because I can't afford them, but because I won't.

pecosbob

(7,538 posts)
7. It's about price points.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 07:34 PM
Mar 26

Businesses determine what they want to take in per customer and adjust prices accordingly.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
12. Why would you when you can charge $30 on a sandwich?
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 08:01 PM
Mar 26

Also, your suppliers know that your competitor is getting $30 a sandwich. So, they will charge you accordingly.

Earth-shine

(4,013 posts)
19. If I open a store with $20 sandwhiches, I can steal all your customers.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:00 PM
Mar 26

There's a whole market for people who don't want to pay $30.

You need to find more reasonable suppliers.

That's the nature of the free market. If your prices are too high, someone will undercut you.

Earth-shine

(4,013 posts)
22. I looked at the list. That's packaged food. I'm sure I could find bread and cold cuts without the big suppliers.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:08 PM
Mar 26

My sandwiches will not be more than $20. They should be around $7.

Oneironaut

(5,495 posts)
24. That's why you send lobbyists to government to have them force the other shop out of business,
Wed Mar 27, 2024, 08:07 AM
Mar 27

and give yours tax breaks.

Bucky

(54,013 posts)
10. I teach Supply and Demand in my HS Economics class.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 07:41 PM
Mar 26

That's one hell of an opportunity cost curve. Cool thing about capitalist economics is that you get to pick whatever price & profit margin that makes you happiest.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
11. Its not just the seller...
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 07:53 PM
Mar 26

...economic recovery means more people have more money to spend, and post-COVID was a return of consumer demand.

TheBlackAdder

(28,201 posts)
13. Disney could really screw over Florida by limiting tickets to those with in-park stays.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 08:49 PM
Mar 26

.

Disney will get their room money, but less in admission, food and concessions.

They could boost the price a bit on the room rates and other amenities due to limited availability.


The park would be less crowded, like it is in the Spring, before Summer season hits.

They would have less waste, require less staff and it would be more enjoyable.


In-State businesses and commuters would suffer, including anyone staying in off-park lodging and eating off-park.
Less people would bring their own food in from the local Walmart and supermarkets too, helping to offset food sales.

.

ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
16. The Ideal Point Is Called Equilibrium
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 09:00 PM
Mar 26

It's the point that maximizes volume at which the entire supply will be sold at a price point that maximizes margins.
Your thought that just raising prices doesn't work in reality when the price gets prohibitive. There's a upper limit.
In your example, losing 50% of customers at 3x the price is awfully optimistic.
That approach might work if there were nobody out there to compete on price.
Profits go up whether it's because unit price increases or volume goes up. Increased volumes often are ideal because few businesses are constantly running at 100% capacity. So, increased volume carries no added overhead, only raw materuak costs.
If demand gets to the point where added expense, or capital, or both are needed the value of growth vs. short term profits becomes part of the decision making process.
Be careful not to get caught in the Econ 101 trap that supply & demand functions as 2 dimensional, X therefore Y, constructs.
In reality, there are several X's exerting leverage on the outcomes.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
18. Response
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 10:30 PM
Mar 26
In your example, losing 50% of customers at 3x the price is awfully optimistic.

Yet, it's currently happening bc of food delivery services.

That approach might work if there were nobody out there to compete on price.

When there are fewer and fewer suppliers and producers, there's very little price competition.


ProfessorGAC

(65,042 posts)
23. You're Kind Of Moving The Goalposts
Wed Mar 27, 2024, 07:03 AM
Mar 27

You weren't talking about food conglomerates. You're example was sandwiches. There is immense competition in that field.
Besides that, back in the day when there were basically 3 US car makers, Volkswagen, Toyota & Nissan, so a gigantic market split 6 ways, what you describe did NOT happen. (Yeah, I know BMW & Mercedes were there, but that was a luxury niche.) Those companies still competed on price, features, & cache.
Same thing in heavy equipment.
Do I think we have relaxed antitrust regulation too much? Definitely, I do. But, it's specious to suggest there's no competition.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
21. People get angry having to pay for basic needs
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:06 PM
Mar 26

but they will still spend a lot on useless "luxury" crap.

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