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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,206 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:05 AM Mar 26

Erin M. Hawley's, the wife of Republican Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley, stupid attack on the abortion pill

On Tuesday, however, the court will hear a broad attack on the FDA from attorney Erin M. Hawley, the wife of Republican Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley and a former law clerk to Chief Justice John G. Roberts. She says the court should not turn "a blind eye to FDA's patently unreasonable actions here, which jeopardize women’s health throughout the nation."

Hawley is not representing women who say they were injured by the drugs or doctors who prescribe the medication. Instead, she is representing a group of doctors who oppose abortion on religious and moral grounds.

She argues they have legal standing to sue the FDA because some of the group's members work in emergency rooms, and they could be forced to treat patients who took abortion pills and went to a hospital because of bleeding or other complications.

"When faced with these emergencies, [the doctors] have no choice but to provide immediate treatment, even though this kind of participation in an elective abortion harms their consciences and injures them in other ways," Hawley wrote in her brief to the court.

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The antiabortion doctors who sued "do not prescribe mifepristone, and FDA’s actions allowing other providers to prescribe the drug do not require them to do or refrain from doing anything," Prelogar wrote in her brief to the court. They "have not identified even a single doctor among their thousands of members who has ever been required to perform an abortion in the decades mifepristone has been on the market."

https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-courts-anti-abortion-conservatives-100007255.html

Erin Hawley: The Woman Arguing Against the Abortion Pill
Erin Hawley, a law professor and wife of Senator Josh Hawley, is set to argue the Supreme Court case



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Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. but as a millennial Christian mother. An evangelical believer who forefronts her identity as a wife and mother of three, Ms. Hawley works for the Alliance Defending Freedom, a powerful conservative Christian legal group. She represents the ideals of womanhood many in the anti-abortion and conservative Christian movement seek to elevate.

Until now, Ms. Hawley has been best known as the wife of Senator Hawley, Republican of Missouri, who actively sought the overturning of Roe and has supported anti-abortion legislation.

In a campaign ad for him, Ms. Hawley starred as an everyday mom, playing with their children in the kitchen, while he took the spotlight. But she will be one of a few women to argue a prominent abortion case at the Supreme Court for the anti-abortion side.

Even anti-abortion leaders often said “who?” or “Josh’s wife?” when asked about Ms. Hawley. Penny Nance, president of Concerned Women for America, has met her at events supporting Senator Hawley but did not realize that Ms. Hawley was arguing the mifepristone case.

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BOSSHOG

(37,174 posts)
2. Opposition based on religious and moral grounds
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:15 AM
Mar 26

In other words those bringing the case have no standing. If t you don’t want to work in an emergency room because you might have to save a life then find employment elsewhere. If you want to force your religious beliefs on others move to Afghanistan (and discover religious oppression in all your ever loving glory.) If you will not be harmed by the ruling then go away. And take your freedom hating nonsense with you.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,206 posts)
12. the argument is just so DUMB. eliminate a drug because religious doctor might treat someone who used the drug
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 05:08 PM
Mar 26

stupid stupid stupid

jmbar2

(4,927 posts)
3. Those same arguments could be used about guns, right?
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:16 AM
Mar 26

If the doctor has a conscience objection to guns, can they refuse to treat gunshot wounds? Should guns be outlawed because they might force physicians to treat gunshot wounds?

no_hypocrisy

(46,334 posts)
4. So, would these doctors and staff, who are
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:16 AM
Mar 26

morally offended by having to treat women who are bleeding from ingesting mifepristone, prefer treating women bleeding from illegal abortions or self-induced abortions? Or are the latter okay because women are being punished for having sex and/or preventing the existence of “God’s greatest miracle”?

bluesbassman

(19,387 posts)
5. I'm sick to death of people like her, I really am.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:23 AM
Mar 26

Something bothers your “religious sensibilities”? Fine, DON’T DO IT!! But don’t you dare tell me or anyone else they can’t do a thing because your religious beliefs says so.

ramen

(793 posts)
7. Her justification is laughable
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:33 AM
Mar 26
https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-courts-anti-abortion-conservatives-100007255.html

I knew of this case but not of how desperately stupid the core argument is. Some quotes:

"..the FDA says serious complications are "exceedingly rare," noting that more than 5 million women in the U.S. have used the medication since 2000."

"When used in medication abortion, major adverse events — significant infection, excessive blood loss or hospitalization — occur in less than 0.32% of patients," they wrote."

"..Erin Hawley argues they have legal standing to sue the FDA because some of the group's members work in emergency rooms, and they could be forced to treat patients who took abortion pills and went to a hospital because of bleeding or other complications.

"When faced with these emergencies, [the doctors] have no choice but to provide immediate treatment, even though this kind of participation in an elective abortion harms their consciences and injures them in other ways," Hawley wrote in her brief to the court."

Hugin

(33,229 posts)
8. Ruling on hypotheticals is dangerous...
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:40 AM
Mar 26

The reason they’re resorted to it is that what they want to implement is so horrendously unpopular they tried to find one person with standing to use for forty years and were always left cold in our secular society. So they resorted to making shit up.

What these zealots, who can see little outside of their christofascist deeply ingrained misogynistic blinders, have failed to realize is that there is a whole universe of horrendously unpopular hypotheticals out there. The vast majority of these hypotheticals are even more unpopular to them and the current bias of the Ginni Thomas SCrOTUS is a very finite state. A house of cards, actually.

NickB79

(19,301 posts)
9. Doctors in ER's also treat gunshot wounds daily
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:43 AM
Mar 26

Do they have standing to sue gun manufacturers?

Given how rarely women go to the ER with complications from abortion pills, you'd think they'd be near the bottom of the list.

maxrandb

(15,412 posts)
10. How many thousands of ER Doctors have a "religious objection" to violence
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:49 AM
Mar 26

but treat hundreds of thousands of gunshot victims every FUCKING day?

Our courts are a fucking farce. Donnie Dipshit has exposed them as such.

In fact, if there is any remotely positive aspect of that dumbshits entire existence, it is that he has shined a fucking Kleig light on how fucked up and corrupt our courts are.

Kid Berwyn

(15,120 posts)
11. John Roberts' wife makes beaucoup bucks connecting lawyers to jobs.
Tue Mar 26, 2024, 11:57 AM
Mar 26
’They come to me’: Jane Roberts’ legal recruiting work involved officials whose agencies had cases before the Supreme Court

In newly revealed testimony, the wife of Chief Justice John Roberts said she worked for “U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators” and more.


By HAILEY FUCHS and JOSH GERSTEIN
Politico, 01/31/2023

Jane Roberts, the wife of Chief Justice John Roberts, acknowledges having represented a wide variety of public officials — including senior Justice Department officials and Cabinet members — as they transitioned to jobs in the private sector, according to testimony in an arbitration hearing to resolve a lawsuit filed by an ex-colleague against her former legal recruiting business.

A partial transcript of that testimony was included in a complaint submitted to the House, Senate and Justice Department filed in December on behalf of the former colleague.

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Jane Roberts’ placements included at least one firm with a prominent Supreme Court practice, according to the complaint, which also includes sworn testimony from Roberts herself, in which she notes the powerful officials — whose agencies have had frequent cases before her husband — for whom she has worked.

“A significant portion of my practice on the partner side is with senior government lawyers, ranging from U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators, chairmen of federal commissions, general counsel of federal commissions, and then senior political appointees within the ranks of various agencies, and I -- they come to me looking to transition to the private sector,” Roberts said, according to a transcript of a 2015 arbitration hearing related to her former colleague’s termination.

In her testimony, Roberts also noted the benefit of working with senior government officials: “Successful people have successful friends.”

Continues…

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/jane-roberts-legal-recruiting-work-agencies-cases-supreme-court-00080515

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