That's game. I'm done.

[angrychair]

Trump is never going to be held legally accountable. He always seems to find a way out.
Going to convince my kids to leave the country and never come back.
My spouse and I would never be able to get into another country at our age.
We are stuck here, they are not.

The media, the courts, the country, seem to desperately want to fascist dictator. No matter what it seems that shithead ends up on top.
He played golf all weekend like he didn't have a care in the world because he didn't. He already knew the fix was in.


I figure I'm old, I only have to put up with it a handful of years. Maybe I'm wrong but this isn't going to be a place raise a family and grow old. The country is lost. There is no denying that now.

[TBF]

1. I already got my daughter out -

like you I'm older and don't have a lot of hope for myself. Doing what I can to get both my kids out though. White Christian men will be ok, others not so much.

[anciano]

2. Any remaining hope for justice

that I still naively was holding on to was completely dashed this morning. You're right, it's over.

[FSogol]

3. Game over, man, game over!

I'm not giving up. After Reagan and Bush and Bush the lesser, and Cheney all got away with it, I knew it was most likely Trumpy could skate too. Justice will need to come via the ballot box.

GOTV

[angrychair]

6. I'm still here

But I don't want my kids to have to deal with it.
Also, even if we somehow manage to defeat him in 2024 he will absolutely run again in 2028.

The point is that it is increasingly unlikely that Trump will ever be held accountable.
All the while, TFG's maga minions in state legislatures across the country and in the US Congress, are turning this country into a dystopian hell hole.

[LymphocyteLover]

17. we will beat him this November if we do our job. None of this defeatism please.

[KS Toronado]

22. After he loses this year, reQublicans will wash their hands of him.

His downward mental spiral being a whining broke loser crying baby will be on full display for everyone to see.
Plus with us having all 3 Houses after this election your kids will want to move back.

[rubbersole]

29. Absolutely.

It's turning. Faster than I thought it would. Corporate media can't/won't report it without losing clicks/eyeballs. Repubs are dysfunctional at every level. Beyond hilarious to watch. Women, POC, Dems, youth, Swiftys, environmentalists and academics are leading the upcoming blue tsunami. Yes, things are shitty. But the long national orange nightmare is in a death spiral - taking the gop with him. Stick around and help put a decent, fair and compassionate society back in the driver's seat.

[Cheezoholic]

49. In some cruel way his total incompetence may have exposed more of the country to what we knew was already going on

with fascist GOP. Many of us that have watched this game for 40 years or more and have been sounding the alarm bells are probably surprised by only one thing, that the Republicans underestimated their own greed when they let the Griftmaster play in their sandbox.

Their attempts at dismantling this experiment at the behest of the corporate oligarchy in this country were, and still are on track. But by letting this fucked up piece of shit into their inner circle they overestimated their control over the 25-30% of the hardcore racist fucks in this country that hid under their umbrella. Orange fuck blew the party apart by pulling a power play and corralling that disgusting demographic behind him. With election margins so thin because of the ongoing plan of the oligarchy to divide and conquer, in repukes eyes the only choice they had was choosing party over country so they could stay in power. They did so because they are republicans and therefore deplorable at their very core.

If TSF hadn't come along the depth of the infection already in the GOP may never have been blown open as widely as it has been and that lurid thirst for power over those not deserving could have continued to grow like black mold in the walls of a house until the entire house was consumed. I truly think we were that close, and don't be fooled we still are. The mechanisms in place and entrenched and may take many years to clean it out, but I believe we can.

With this upcoming election, with the huge blue tsunami coming, and I do believe that, that can begin to fight back these massive forces built up, wouldn't it be so Capitalistic American of us that it took a grifter on a scale PT Barnum would be astounded by, to open the eyes of enough of the masses to see what was and is lurking, ready to rip our democracy right out from underneath us. Open peoples eyes to not it can happen here but is happening here.

Yeah I'm still fucked up from the Pandemic

[rubbersole]

51. "Isn't it Ironic" that tsf would become the savior of democracy.

Every 2016 gop primary candidate would have flown under the facist radar until it was too late. Except the most flawed character to be on the national political scene in memory. And the cleanup will take decades. Along with saving the planet. One heavy lift.

[MiHale]

33. He'll never last till '28...

The man’s a physical and mental wreck as I tap this out, degrading every day before our eyes.
Or do you think it’s not true that he’s just conning us again?

If he loses in ’24, he’ll do the same crap he’s done the last 4 years…whine, bitch, lie, sue. Remember also if he loses he still has a boatload of criminal stuff he needs to address. His money stream will dry up and ‘28 will be a pipe dream.

[angrychair]

39. The worse thing we can do as Democrats

Is to be dismissive of TFG ability to come out on top.
I thought we had 2016 in the bag, I mean prior to trump no candidate would have survived the Access Hollywood tape. It was dismissed with the wave of a hand. Bring it up now and people act like you're the one that's crazy for making a big deal about it.
Then in 2020, after living through 4 years of what could only be called a dystopian hellscape, he did lose but got more votes than any Republican presidential candidate in history.
I cannot pretend to understand it but I have learned to never underestimate he ability to survive anything.
He will lose this election too but losing the election doesn't mean he goes away nor will it diminish his hold on the GOP.
Running for president is still his best bet to avoid jail so that is why I say he will run again in 2028.

[Autumn]

20. No justice will come via the ballot box. Reagan, the Bush's and Cheney were all replaced by Democrats.

Democrats moved on. Barr, North and all these other fuckers never faced justice and they never will. Justice is dispensed by the law. There are tiers to this justice system. And it gives the wealthy and powerful a pass.

[dem4decades]

32. Really, you don't think that fix is in too?

[Autumn]

41. It's not a fix, it's the status quo. Republican have been tweaking it to suit themselves all of my life.

And I think few politicians have any desire to change the status quo. They are content with it. I find it odd that you have no comment on what I posted. Prove me wrong if you want to try but I don't think you can. It's the truth.

Autumn (44,733 posts)
Reply to FSogol (Reply #3)
Mon Mar 25, 2024, 06:29 PM

No justice will come via the ballot box. Reagan, the Bush's and Cheney were all replaced by Democrats.
Democrats moved on. Barr, North and all these other fuckers never faced justice and they never will. Justice is dispensed by the law. There are tiers to this justice system. And it gives the wealthy and powerful a pass.

[Lonestarblue]

4. Several of my friends, especially those with a grandparent born in another country, are planning to leave.

Some of them are Jewish and believe that Republican support for all forms of white supremacy have already made life here more dangerous for Jews. If Trump is elected, he will give Netanyahu the green light to exterminate all Palestinians, which will then add to world hatred of Jews. No place may be safe for them.

Unfortunately I have no grandparents that would qualify me for citizenship in another country, so I’m stuck. But getting through another four years of Trump and watching our nation become a backward religious nation would be difficult to watch.

[Under The Radar]

5. Hang tight, the true test is the SCOTUS decision on immunity.

...if that decisions goes Trump's way then we will know for sure, this justice system is too far gone to fix in our lifetime and the favor will fall towards the money every time.

[Kablooie]

9. I'm sure it will be decided in his favor.

There may be a few adjustments so he's not completely immune, just to try to look balanced, but he will still be allowed to go free.

It will be justified by saying that no one is above the law, including the president, but this case is unique.
That will prevent Biden or anyone else from claiming immunity.

[LymphocyteLover]

18. Yeah, but if they give Trump immunity, then Biden gets immunity and he can do whatever he wants to win

[Sky Jewels]

24. No, they'll make it a narrow ruling.

“Only applies to Trump.” Like Bush v Gore.

[dem4decades]

34. This Supreme Court? The best we can hope for is a well written

Minority dissent.

[uponit7771]

45. The fact that we have to hang tight on a water [SHOULD BE] wet decision in the first place goes towards the OP sentiment

... the MAGAinside USSC is bought off themselves

[Elessar Zappa]

7. Take a break from politics until you're ready to start helping Biden get elected.

He will need all the volunteers he can get.

[angrychair]

11. I'm 100% already in

In fact already helping.
That's really missing the forest for the trees.
If trump gets re-elected or not is irrelevant now. The damage is already done and getting worse. It doesn't change the fact that maga loyalists control a majority of state legislatures and executive branches of states as well as in Congress.
These people are fully entrenched and going nowhere regardless of the outcome of this election. Plus I have zero doubts that Trump will just immediately register to run again in 2028.
The point is that it's never going to stop and I don't want to my children and their future families to put up with it if they can have a more stable life somewhere else.

[LymphocyteLover]

19. on the bright side, the GOP is utterly falling apart and the vast amount of the corruption is on the right

we can beat these guys big and really reshape our politics, FINALLY, this November

[StarryNite]

26. They are unravelling but...

I wonder if this latest win will encourage them to mend the split seams?

[LymphocyteLover]

57. Latest win-- you mean the court win for Dump?

I dunno... I tend to doubt it

[Blue Idaho]

36. The GOP is broke

That has ramifications beyond TFG. That’s good news for every seat nation wide.

[uponit7771]

46. I'm getting two new people to vote Biden, Justice system tilts A LOT towards white males and the Earth is round ...

... can be all true and not meaning someone isn't going to fight for Biden tooth an nail.

[All Mixed Up]

8. You guys are so exhausting.

No wonder Republicans are convinced they'll win in November. The entire left doesn't even want to put up a fight in this election.

[angrychair]

25. It is reality

Maga trumpers control a majority of state legislatures and it's those states that have significantly more impact on the daily lives of people than Trump being president. I have the benefit of living in a deep blue state but others are not so lucky.
It's easy to say "just keep fighting" but the state policies have very real and significant impacts on some families in red or red-leaning states and staying to "fight" just isn't realistic anymore. Because no matter how they personally vote for President, it's not going to change state government and the laws they pass.
Most regular people barely understand what is happening or why. In fact Republicans could probably blame Democrats and most people in red states would believe them.

[chouchou]

38. I know exactly where you're coming from.

Florida has turned into MAGA LAND. It's hard to get a liberal or progressive as a dog catcher.
Most of the press in Florida puts out Republican bullshit day and night..plus the dumb fucks here only care about
what God Damn cocktail party they can come up with next week
The poor..Fuck um
A woman raped? Her fault.
Abused children? Same as poor..Fuck um.
More taxes for the betterment of schools? Hell no.
IN SHORT > The USA is going to be like Florida.

[MOMFUDSKI]

40. We are looking at a fifty-year Plan coming

to fruition.

[Bev54]

42. The reality is that the courts cannot be relied on, the only way to defeat him is at the ballot box.

Everyone should be doing everything they can to ensure that happens. People have no control over the court system that is obviously a much different system for the rich. The only way to get that back is to get dems elected up and down ballot.

[William769]

10. I'm not done. I will never be done till I'm dead & buried.

They'll have to pry Democracy out of my dead hands.

“Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn.” – Harriet Beecher Stowe

[calimary]

21. Oooooh that's a good quote!

“Never give up, for that is just the place and time that the tide will turn.” – Harriet Beecher Stowe

I’m gonna use that in an upcoming “Call to
Action” email that my Indivisible group issues every week! Each one of these starts with a quote.

And I’M not done, either.

Please keep one thing in mind with this monster and all his little shits:
That’s exactly what the bad guys want! They WANT us to get tired and say “fuck it!” and GIVE UP. An easy victory for them. They WANT US TO GIVE UP. they don’t want to have to fight and have to KEEP fighting. Cus that’s hard work and hard work takes time, money, and energy - and you have to KEEP IT UP if you expect to win. I have NO intention of lying down and allowing the bad guys to just have their way without objection. It’s gonna cost ‘em in time, money, and energy, and the more We the People stand in his way, THE BETTER!!!

[William769]

23. Harriet Beecher Stowe is a favorite on mine.

[edisdead]

12. Then GTFOH

Seriously. Just Go then.


I know that I am going to get alerted on and still these threads that are telling others that they are giving up and planting seeds for others to do the same will remain. If you are done…. Then just be done and quit with the negativity planting.

[Traildogbob]

31. 👏👏

And take a piss on the graves of all the vets that have died to save our democracy.
Lots of countries will be shutting the doors on our asses. We ain’t loved in many places.
Spent my life to get my tiny home and small piece of dirt. We could lose retirement, SS, and any income we get that we earned.
I served this country, ain’t gonna run, if I have to I will stand my ground until the last shot.
Got no choice.
Moving to another country ain’t gonna be cheap.
I will die here on my dirt.
Hopefully there are many that are willing to fight, like all that have given all for this country.
I will stand with you edisdead.

[edisdead]

44. Right on!

[BaronChocula]

13. It took 50 years to overturn Roe v Wade

The freaks didn't give up in 1973. They stayed committed and voted in every election at every level. It seems the one thing they knew was that forfeiting was no way to win.

[bdamomma]

15. So we can't

either. Never give up.

[StarryNite]

14. You've got to know when to hold 'em

Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
~Don Schlitz

I'm not ready to run or even walk away yet. But I am so alarmingly and frustratingly disappointed in what is happening. I honestly don't see justice prevailing. We appear to be witnessing and living the worst history by having our democracy turned into a country of fascism. We are living in the Twilight Zone.

[Warpy]

16. Rich men are a protected class, that's for sure

This doesn't affect his inability to do business in his home state., It does reflect a likely reduction in his financial liability by an appellate court.

As much as we all want him stripped down to his underwear and wandering the streets, homeless, it was never going to happen.

[Wonder Why]

27. Just remember, if he wins in November, no place will be safe. Not for citizens of any country. How long would

Europe survive if he withdraws us from NATO?

[Think. Again.]

28. At this moment I agree with you...

I think I have to give up my naive position that humans are basically good to each other and that grown adults understand that living within a society demands a certain responsibility to the strength and well-being of that society.

Maybe modern life has finally eradicated any sense of brotherhood, maybe we've hit a tipping point where too many selfish, self-centered individuals means the destruction of the group rather than those individuals's demise as outcasts.

[OnDoutside]

30. The only thing is we in Europe are dependent on Biden

winning too ! There's so much crap going on here with the Putin enabled far right, that the fightback can only start with Biden and the Dems winning everything in November. I can see him winning, as well as the House, but I'm really nervous about the Senate.

[Silent Type]

35. In 8 months we get a chance to act as a juror. It is frustrating, but learned my lesson during george war bush's regime.

I'd wake up several times during night to see if he or Cheney had been arrested. I believed Fitzgerald would prevail. I was on edge all the time and got angry easily. It sucked.

Not going to let myself get like that again, but I still despise trump.

[bigtree]

37. you said this in 2023. This 'we're doomed' thing is a perennial thing with you, isn't it?

angrychair (8,570 posts) Fri Jun 30, 2023, 11:28 AM

"I'm done"


...and wtf's with the recs? "I'm following the person throwing in the towel?"

That perspective isn't the progressive flex that people reccing this thread might think it is with two federal indictments completely intact still pending.

I know Trump thinks delays are victory, but we don't have to adopt that delusion.

[angrychair]

43. Criticize me all you want

But it's never been about just the last couple of years. People that know and follow Trump have been trying to draw attention to his criminality for decades.

I've repeatedly said that I am actively campaigning for Biden but I'm not not going to underestimate Trump or pretend what is happening is good or normal. We have twice impeached, indicted criminal and rapist and pedophile that could become president for a second time. Even if convicted. On any of all of the charges.

Right now Maga Trumpers control the majority of state legislatures and are using that power to warp everything to their grand design. No matter what happens to him, this insanity, this chaos, this mad push to a totalitarian theocracy, is not going away. If anything it's just getting started.
So I'm not being "negative". I'm living in the real world where Trump is still a viable threat and the threat of and a rightwing totalitarian theocracy is not tinfoil hat nightmare but completely within the realm of possiblity. I will plan and act accordingly to protect my family as much as I can while understanding that I am stuck and will fight the good fight as long as I can.

[bigtree]

47. I will

...everyday you post this defeatism.

Here, have some 'Hopium.'

The "Trump Is A Strong Candidate" Bubble Is Bursting, Biden Leads in 6 Post-SOTU Polls -Simon Rosenberg

Trump Is Weak, Not Strong. An Unprecedented Dumpster Fire, Not A Juggernaut - With Trump’s struggles raising money and another election night where the opposition to Trump inside the Republican Party continues to be significant (even long after his opponents have dropped out), it is time for the “Trump is a strong candidate” bubble of the last few months to fully burst.

Let’s review:

Trump has underperformed public polling in most of the early battleground states, signaling reluctance of voters to vote for him when making that final decision

The struggle of his campaign and the RNC to raise money in an election year is shocking, a clear sign that MAGA is unattractive even for core Republicans - cannot stress enough what a big deal this is

The GOP itself is in turmoil, laying off dozens of staff, and going through a very rough leadership transition in an election year. Dozens of leading Republican officials including State Party chairs in key battleground states have been indicted

Republicans got blown out in NY-3, a big “bellwether,” seeing a seat they won just 16 months earlier by 7.5 pts going +8 for the Dems. The loss here was a continuation of the GOP’s ongoing struggle in elections of all kinds all across the country since Dobbs

There is an unprecedented revolt against Trump inside the GOP - Pence, Romney, the Cheneys, it just goes on and on. Two former GOP Vice Presidents, a former Party nominee, the former chair of the RNC, dozens of senior government officials who worked for Trump…..we’ve never seen anything like what is happening inside the GOP now. These leaders are creating a powerful permission structure for other Rs and R-leaning independents to walk away from Trump, as they did in the battleground states in 2022. Last night the Biden campaign announced that six major fundraisers for Nikki Haley’s campaign had started raising money for Biden-Harris. The party is splintering, bigly

Peter Navarro, a senior advisor to Trump, went to jail yesterday. His CFO went to jail last year, and is returning soon for committing more crimes. Most of his core 2020 campaign team were convicted or pled guilty of crimes. The man who was fueling the Impeachment inquiry was just arrested, and appears to have been working with both Russian intelligence and Trump. Everywhere you look there are crimes, crimes and more crimes…

House Republicans are retiring in droves, leaping from the burning MAGA ship. Large scale retirements are a vote of no-confidence in the party itself, and the ones who are leaving are considered “serious” Republicans

Trump’s performance on the stump has been scary, a daily “bloodbath,” providing Democrats with an unending amount of material to use in the election to push him further and further away from voters

Due to the success of the Biden Presidency, the major GOP attacks on Biden - economy, inflation, crime, border, war on energy, deficit, Biden crime family, age - are all evaporating, making this election increasingly a referendum on Trump, not Biden. That is really bad news for Republicans…

As I said in in my discussion with Lawrence O’Donnell last night, Trump 2024 is ugliest political thing any of us have ever seen:

Meanwhile, Joe Biden is in the midst of his best run of polling in some time. 5 post-State Of The Union polls have him ahead (all via 538):

44-43 Economist/YouGov (today)

47-45 FAU/Mainstreet

44-43 Morning Consult (March 9-11)

46-45 Public Policy Research

50-48 Ipsos/Reuters

45-44 Civiqs

The Economist poll average has Biden 1 point ahead of Trump for the second week in a row:

https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/the-trump-is-a-strong-candidate-bubble

[angrychair]

54. It's not "defeatism"

It's reality in front of us. Democrats dramatically underestimated his ability to win the election in 2016. Democrats dramatically underestimated what he would do when he lost one in 2020.
Democrats have repeatedly refused to take the Republican control of so many state legislatures seriously.
At this very moment, Democrats continue to not take the threat of Republican driven religious extremism seriously and how it's reshaping our nation and it's politics.
I not going to underestimate him again nor the harm him and his ilk can bring to bear.

Electing Biden or a Democrat controlled Congress does not mean they all go away. They will still be in Congress. They will still be throughout the states.
Trump losing this election will not make him go away.
Trump losing will not change state legislatures.
These assholes have made every damn day a raging dumpster fire and being pissed off by it is perfectly normal.

[BlueKota]

50. I am all for plan A of getting President Biden re-elected but

there damn well better be a plan B in place for how to prevent Magats using cheating and violence, to get their orange messiah into office, even if Trump loses by the largest margin possible. The Magats have already proven that they don't accept laws, legal precedents, or election results, and that only the most infestesimal number of Republican officials including their so called sumpreme court "justices," actually intend to honor their oaths of office.

Yes we need to win at the ballot box, but be ready to do more than count on the other side's sense of honor or fair play, because most of them have already shown they have zero sense of shame or decency.

I do realize that if there is a plan B on the part of our officials they obviously can't advertise it in public, but I hope it's there none the less.

I am not saying give up on the election only that we have to stop believing that at least 85 percent or more of Republicans are still willing to obey the law and play fair. It's more like 85 percent are as crooked as a fence installed by a drunk.

[hlthe2b]

53. I'm going to have to take a break. Perspective will return and a lot of people need to vent...

But, it is hard to see nothing but "dark clouds and hopelessness" descend. This too will pass but it underscores the savage roller coaster we are all on.

Vent on, all, but then realize we are all in a marathon fight--not a mere skirmish.

[H2O Man]

48. Yes, you

are wrong.

[Cha]

52. Deja Vu!

[Deuxcents]

55. I am a post war baby. Both my parents were in the service while war was on both sides of the ocean

They called them The Greatest Generation and I’m more than sure there were times of doubt, disparity and just plain tired of it all but they didn’t give up. They sacrificed by doing without a lot of things like meat, butter, gasoline and all the things they needed tokens to make do. If they had the attitude some are expressing on this thread, we wouldn’t be who we are today. I’m the first to admit that I moan and groan and bitch about things but I gotta get over it and not let it consume me. We cannot and must not give up this good fight..for ourselves and our future that includes our kids and their kids. I read thru this whole thread and I get it..seems hopeless and justice is cross eyed but we cannot defeat our ourselves while in the doldrums. We gotta do what we gotta do..vote. And bring someone along to the polls with us. Help someone make sure their mail in ballot is marked and signed and mailed in. We have to do all we can..the stakes are too high not to.

[gay texan]

56. Sorry, ill stay and fight

I dont give up easily