Garland again?

[Bobstandard]

So Bragg’s hush money trial has been delayed. Apparently there are documents that both Bragg and Trump requested from federal prosecutors at the Southern District of New York that have not yet been supplied. And somehow, this only becomes known to the court and the parties now. The attorneys at SDNY may just be terrible at their jobs and didn’t know what they had. Or, they knew, but have delayed on purpose to help Trump. In any case, they work for Merrick Garland. We don’t know whether this is news to Garland or not. We do know from this that he’s not on top of what’s going on at one of his most important offices. His incompetence has been and continues to be a gift to Donald Trump.

Justice delayed is justice denied. Garland is ultimately responsible for a whole lot of delay. There can be no question about that.

[MOMFUDSKI]

1. I smell many

large rats in our so-called justice system.

[orthoclad]

5. Moles, Mom, moles

And is a particularly high mole still thinking about a lifetime job?

[DaBronx]

2. What is Pres Biden thinking about garland right now?

Do tell.

[bigtree]

13. I'd guess he's reading Bragg's own words in the order

...blaming 'the defendant" rather than heaping blame on his AG who isn't involved in SDNY and isn't very likely to have anything to do with their discovery process.

DA: "the timing of the USAO's productions is the result solely of the defendant's delay."

[lees1975]

3. Every trial has been delayed.

If the DOJ had started this process right after the Congressional hearings confirmed what everyone knew, Trump would have been tried and convicted just in time for the primary elections start-up, and we would not be here now. Garland admitted to the delay, offered no real explanation for it, and there were a lot of people here who were speculating about all the strategy planning, evidence gathering, when none of that was happening, and didn't start until he finally appointed Jack Smith, which was also delayed.

So, what does that leave us to think?

That Democrats don't really believe Trump is an existential threat to American democracy, and all of what is being put out there now is just politics aimed at winning, not necessarily because he's a threat, but because they don't want to lose. Or, that Trump has influence inside the DOJ, still, clearly he does inside the federal court system where he appointed some of the most corrupt, agenda driven judges committed to legislating from the bench. Or that everyone is lining up to take whatever piece of the pie they can grab before we all go down in January when the first American dictatorship is officially sworn into office.

Please tell me I'm wrong.

[gab13by13]

4. We wouldn't have this discovery issue

had Garland prosecuted Trump instead of Alvin Bragg. SDNY should have handed discovery over a year ago.

Do not be surprised if Bragg has to drop this case. There will be discovery about Cohen and Weiselberg perjuring themselves.

[orthoclad]

6. Garland should have prosecuted Trump

beginning in February 2021. Then we wouldn't have so many vague, warm, memories of the good ol' insurrection days and those great tourists, and we wouldn't be facing the issue of prosecuting a candidate.

[gab13by13]

7. I agree, but it would have looked partisan.

[orthoclad]

8. Yes, we MUST be bipartying!

(grin)

[NoRethugFriends]

9. Oh please.

[Fiendish Thingy]

11. He started in March 2021, after he was sworn in.

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/merrick-garland-isnt-blame-delays-trumps-election-interference-case-rcna141213

It would have been illegal for Garland to start investigating and prosecuting Trump before he was AG, however, preliminary steps were taken to open an investigation even before Biden was inaugurated (see timeline at link)

[PufPuf23]

19. What is your prediction of what will happen with Trump legally and

politically?

[Fiendish Thingy]

24. Everything and nothing, or somewhere in between.

And I will be proven right.

[PufPuf23]

25. We agree.

Thank you for the respect.

[MyOwnPeace]

16. So easy to forget......

DA Vance supposedly had a case against IQ45 all set up and ready to go - and then he retired. His successor, DA Bragg, opted not to pursue it immediately. Some Asst. DA's gained notoriety be resigning because Bragg dropped the cases.
And then, out of nowhere, Bragg steps up and has a case against IQ45!

The pauses, delays, deflections, and just plain fuckery that's been taking place, and continues to take place in ALL OF THESE CASES, leaves me seriously wondering:

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON!?!?!?!

[ScratchCat]

29. What's going on is this:

Trump is part of the "privileged wealthy class" and the State is trying to prosecute a member of this class for what most members do every day - commit tax fraud. When one gets prosecuted, they all start to think "Could I be next? This isn't fair!". There is a 100% chance that both Vance and Bragg received MUCH pressure from other members of the "privileged wealthy class" to not pursue tax fraud charges against Trump.

That and there are clearly Trump loyalists in the DOJ that have not been rooted out, and therefore, their behavior is essentially "sanctioned" by Garland. That's exactly how the whole "But, But, But..... Biden and Pence probably have classified materials in their boxes at home too!!!" cover for Trump was started(ever wonder why they weren't interested in what Dan Quail, Dick Cheaney or Al Gore had in their possession?)

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. Godwin 2.0

Somehow, someway, eventually, everything is Garland’s fault.

[ancianita]

14. Yep. Weissman argues that this is strictly the independent SDNY's decision, & that it's not what Garland would monitor,

nevermind be involved with. Weissman said on Lawrence O'Donnell: "I just don't think this is how Garland is."

I believe Weissman. It's apparent that this is how the SDNY is, imo. The urge to find scapegoats for how the judicial system allows delays in the interest of this defendant, seems to constantly put its high beam on Garland.

[PufPuf23]

20. The USA legal system is fair game for money and connections.

Happens all the way to local courts.

How can this be fixed?

[ancianita]

23. Get it straight. "Money and connections" prey on the legal system. These rule-of-men types hire lawyers to

to chip away at the legal system. As much as the legal system is staffed with rule of law judges who exercise jurisprudence in the nation's interests, we shouldn't jump to thinking any 'mistakes' or 'flaws' the corporate media so relentlessly cover build any case that could justify treating our legal system as just another racket.
It's not. "Money and connections" and corporate media hype are the rackets.

The legal system is constantly self correcting; you've seen (or should have seen) the Senate's Sheldon Whitehouse mapping how to fix what's flawed over the last 2-3 years. You've seen literally criminal lawyers be indicted. You can't want a quick fix for the third largest country on the planet. It won't work that way.

[republianmushroom]

34. He is the top dog at the DOJ, is he not.

And the buck stops at the top, correct.

[Fiendish Thingy]

35. And Biden is Garland's boss

That is where the Buck really stops.

[republianmushroom]

36. Yup, should firer Garland, but, he won't, to much class.

But, he will take Garlands screw up and carry them as his own.

[bigtree]

12. no one has shown anything proving Garland was involved in document discovery at SDNY

...but I agree with 'Garland again,' because each and everything associated with the prosecution of Trump is somehow laid at his door, as if the AG had anything to do the SDNY's document discovery process.

The sophistry in these attacks are only less stunning than the absolute evidence-free nature of each and every one of these Garland attack posts.

Mueller, She Wrote @MuellerSheWrote
ANDREW WEISSMANN: The one thing that I don't think happened is that I don't think Main Justice was involved. US Attorneys Offices, especially the SDNY, just decide this on their own. Was Merrick Garland part of this? I have my issues, but I don't this would jump to him.

[H2O Man]

17. Thank you.

I'm half-tempted to provide details about the causes of the delay. But they are easily available to anyone with a serious interest or concern.

[ancianita]

22. If the SDNY surprised Bragg with 31,000 pages of evidence, I haven't found anything about why the SDNY did that.

It might help DU'ers to learn the causes, if you have any details, since Weissman can't figure out why SDNY did this, since many default to "a failure in leadership." Main Justice, according to Weissman, was probably as surprised as Bragg.

[Patton French]

15. Garland is as Garland does ... NT

[MyOwnPeace]

18. Garland is as Garland does NOT..........

There you go - fixed it for you.........

[walkingman]

21. Looks like the Washington Post is exposing Garland for deliberately delaying

investigations involving Trump. We all knew this, it was obvious, but no one wanted to question our DEAR AG.

[brush]

26. Yes, he's been a poor AG. This right on top of his releasing the Hur report...

unedited sure makes on wonder. And that's not to mention all the J6 lateness depite having way more resources and man/womanpower than the House J6 committe.

Is he a republican mole?

[bigtree]

27. he did alright hiring Jack Smith

...and prosecuting 1000's of white supremacist, Trump supporting rioters, including riot leaders for Sedition and obstructing the vote (same charge leveled against Trump by the SC he hired on his own volition).

The SC he appointed for Pres. Biden declined to bring charges, despite his obvious bias against him (the partisanship a political plus for the president, no matter how much folks want to dwell on the things that make him partisan).

The 'delay' thing is such a canard that people who bash the DOJ with that falsity don't even bother to cite anything to support that projection, like it's some kind of cool kids club thing that you either know or don't.

The ONLY issue with Garland that I can see is that so many people have been gaslighted into such a froth that there is little objective reasoning - most criticisms based on little more than the 'Garland late' lie that Carol Leonning spread with her contradictory and incomplete assessment of the start of the investigation.

I'm going to leave this here, because it's at least as valid as the repetition of 'Garland bad' posts that come without any attribution or any proof, at all.

I mean calling him man a republican mole is really something. What republican has EVER done all of this?

receipts:

___ Jack Smith takes over a staff that’s already nearly twice the size of Robert Mueller’s team of lawyers who worked on the Russia probe.  A team of 20 prosecutors investigating January 6 and the effort to overturn the 2020 election are in the process of moving to work under Smith, according to multiple people familiar with the team.

Smith will also take on national security investigators already working the probe into the potential mishandling of federal records taken to Mar-a-Lago after Trump left the White House.

Together, the twin investigations have already established more evidence than what Mueller started with, including from a year-long financial probe that’s largely flown under the radar.

“Mueller was starting virtually from scratch, whereas Jack Smith is seemingly integrating on the fly into an active, fast-moving investigation,” said Elie Honig, a former federal prosecutor and senior CNN legal analyst.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html


____the other investigative team, looking at efforts to block the transfer of power from Trump to President Joe Biden after the 2020 election, had even a year ago been given the greenlight by the Justice Department to take a case all the way up to Trump, if the evidence leads them there, according to the sources. Work that’s been led by the DC US Attorney’s Office into political circles around Trump related to January 6 now will move under the special counsel.

Partly led by former Maryland-based federal prosecutor Thomas Windom, DOJ has added prosecutors to the January 6 team from all over the department in recent months. Windom and the rest are also expected to move over to the special counsel’s office. Some, like Mary Dohrmann, a prosecutor who’s worked on several other Capitol riot cases already, appear to be reorienting, according to court records of open Capitol riot cases.   

Another top prosecutor, JP Cooney, the former head of public corruption in the DC US Attorney’s Office, is overseeing a significant financial probe that Smith will take on. The probe includes examining the possible misuse of political contributions, according to some of the sources. The DC US Attorney’s Office, before the special counsel’s arrival, had examined potential financial crimes related to the January 6 riot, including possible money laundering and the support of rioters’ hotel stays and bus trips to Washington ahead of January 6.

In recent months, however, the financial investigation has sought information about Trump’s post-election Save America PAC and other funding of people who assisted Trump, according to subpoenas viewed by CNN. The financial investigation picked up steam as DOJ investigators enlisted cooperators months after the 2021 riot, one of the sources said.

In interviews with people in Trump’s orbit over the past several months, some of the DOJ focus has been on the timeline leading up to January 6 and Trump’s involvement and knowledge of potential events that day, according to a source familiar with the questioning.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html

Before Jack Smith was appointed, Merrick Garland:

Seized John Eastman's phone
Seized Jeffrey Clark's phone
Seized Scott Perry's emails
Seized Eastman's emails
Seized Epshteyn's phone
Seized Mike Lindell's phone
Seized Mike Roman's phone
Seized Scott Perry's phone
Got Kash Patel's testimony
Appointed Windom
Appointed Cooney
Subpoenaed the fraudulent electors
Subpoenaed 7 state's election officials
Subpoenaed Sidney's PAC
Subpoenaed Rudy
Opened IG probe into Clark
Opened IG probe into DoJ response to 1/6
Negotiated subpoena for Meadows
Battled the 11th circuit for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for classified docs
Subpoenaed trump for surveillance video
Executed a search warrant on trump
Convicted Bannon of contempt
Indicted Navarro for contempt
Subpoenaed the speakers from 1/6
Subpoenaed the organizers of 1/6
Secured seditious conspiracy convictions
Subpoenaed records for any member of congress involved in 1/6
Subpoenaed info on Jenna Ellis
Secured testimony from Mark Short
Secured testimony from Jacob Engel
Secured testimony from Philbin
Secured testimony from Cippollone
Subpoenaed info on trump's PACs
Won privilege battles for Short, Engel, and the Pats
Negotiated for Pence's subpoena
Seized the phone records of Meadows
Secured the 1/6 committee transcripts
Subpoenaed 7 secretaries of state


...show me ONE DOJ which has brought more charges against republicans than this one, and has opened more investigations into republicans than Merrick Garland's.

There isn't any one that comes even close.

You can certainly spread that shit about 'moles' here, but you can't prove that by his actions.

[Bobstandard]

28. And yet, here we are

Calling those who see links to Garland behind so many of the delays sophists—which means liars—and calling the whole idea that he’s linked to those delays “the Garland late lie” does not obviate the fact of where we are. It’s easy to see that list of the DOJ’s actions prior to Smith’s appointment as no more than highly detailed gaslighting. Because here we are.

[bigtree]

32. the sun came up

Damn Garland!

The sun goes down.

Damn Garland!

Who else is cursing Merrick Garland - sun up, sun down?



...'here we are' where presenting facts about the investigation is called gaslighting, and making all sorts of false and negative conjectures toward the AG over time past in the pursuit of justice with 91 charges leveled against the former president is characterized as some kind of political truth telling.

[brush]

30. Quite a long post in his defense but still no trial for trump on J6 from over 3 years ago.

Or any of the other crimes/charges.

[bigtree]

31. let me know when Garland becomes a judge or prosecutor in any of those cases

...you're slapboxing DOJ believing they're the totality of the justice system which was always expected to bog down in these cases with appeals.

Garland set the prosecutions up like a pro, and Jack Smith took up the complex investigations, advantaged by a staff of prosecutors nearly twice the size of Mueller's Russia probe.

Excuse me if I don't regard whatever you think they should have charged Trump with before they were ready as supported by something other than your own projections that you've responded with to me.

Don't mind me believing that a team of over 20 prosecutors knows more about what they're doing, and cares at least as much about prosecuting crimes as anyone on the internet.

[brush]

37. It's not complicated. He took too long go after the J6 planners. Appointing SC Smith should've been a year earlier.e

He's done a poor job, but keep on defending him, that fact still won't change.

[bigtree]

38. Smith took over a team of over 20 prosecutors who had already ammassed more evidence tha Mueller did in entirety

...the investigation running in your head is slower and has zero attribution other than your projections.

You're advocating that he should have jumped into court before any of the cabal of lawyers GARLAND got the courts to force testimony from had spoken to the grand juries.

You take a snippet of the actual investigation that fits your narrow view of the prosecutions and complain that Garland was slow at something you don't even bother to outline.

What's there to support about that garble of misinformation presented without any citation at all?

[republianmushroom]

33. Yup, more foot dragging.

But, must defend Garland, must defend.