What I learned today about the DOJ.

[Stinky The Clown]

They have much blame for the hush money trial delay.

How am I supposed to maintain faith in the justice system when AT EVERY FUCKING OPPORTUNITY the justice system and judges involved in cases regarding that bloated motherfucker helps him and not we the people.

AT EVERY FUCKING OPPORTUNITY

Of course this is all mere coincidence and the attorney general is a saint.

[elleng]

1. I'm getting PISSED!

[gab13by13]

2. I just got criticized on a previous thread of mine talking about this,

Remember, Merrick Garland is the boss of SDNY, it should have turned over all discovery documents a year ago.

Mark my word about this fucking delay, it may force Alvin Bragg to drop this case, it all depends what is in the discovery. It isn't just Trump who doesn't know, Bragg doesn't know.

[MOMFUDSKI]

3. Just caught Weissman on MSNBC pretty

much admitting this is a fuck up of the highest order by Bragg and especially Garland. Covering the clown’s ass from day one has been the Plan. It’s becoming obvious even to us non-lawyers. Rule of Law my ass.

[gab13by13]

10. Weissmann said that Bragg is not to blame,

he was unaware of discovery not being turned over, this is on SDNY.

[tulipsandroses]

14. Funny how 2 people watch the same exact thing and hear something completely different. Massive screw up by SDNY is what

Weissman said. I had to rewind to make sure my ears were not lying to me. He did not say that this was Bragg's fuck up.
He and Melissa talked about the independence of attorneys at SDNY - he doesn't even blame Garland. He said explicitly said he did not think Merrick Garland had anything to do with SDNY not giving the documents to Bragg. Melissa Murray was far more critical - saying that, while she did not think Garland deliberately involved in not turning over documents - she said as boss - the buck stops with him and he should have been making sure that those attorneys were doing what they were supposed to be doing. Let's stick to facts.

[chowder66]

21. He just said it again on Lawrence O'Donnell's show

Here is a blurb from twitter

ANDREW WEISSMANN: The one thing that I don't think happened is that I don't think Main Justice was involved. US Attorneys Offices, especially the SDNY, just decide this on their own. Was Merrick Garland part of this? I have my issues, but I don't [think] this would jump to him.

Link to tweet

[tulipsandroses]

24. Thanks for posting. I'm a stickler for facts

Especially when republicans routinely traffic in lies, misinformation and disinformation. It’s important that we stick to facts.

[KPN]

40. Wait. Are you kidfing me? WTF is the difference?!

It was the DOJ! Finger pointing?! As if that fixes anything. J H C!!!!

[arthritisR_US]

34. That is what I heard and understood as well.

[MyOwnPeace]

38. As I stated at another post.....

RETIRED Cy Vance had a case ready-to-go against IQ45 but left it to his successor - Bragg. Bragg dragged his feet and 2 Asst. DA's quit because of that.
BRAGG is not clean in all of this - but then again, I don't know who is!
EVERY F*CKING CASE against IQ45 has been F*CKED OVER by someone!

[Think. Again.]

44. I immediately thought of Bragg's flip-flopping on this case...

...when I read the headlines about this new delay.

At first it seemed to me like there was new evidence that might come in handy for the prosecution, but now I'm thinking that this held-back evidence may have been held-back specifically to throw a wrench in the progress of the case.

Whoever may be behind something like that almost doesn't matter, but I seriously doubt these documents were simply overlooked by SDNY, and I seriously doubt garland isn't keeping a very close eye on EVERY DOJ case involving an ex-President.

[stopdiggin]

4. the fact that we have people on DU

that choose to characterize this as a deliberate move made in in effort to aid Trump ...
Says something about how hyperbolic our opinion and discussion has become. This kind of invective ain't healthy, folks.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Pardon me. I didn't realize this is all normal.

[stopdiggin]

9. might NOT be normal

(could be a blunder, could be strategy/policy, could be a pissing match, could be a lot of things)
But there is still some distance between that - and framing all that goes on as an effort to aid the ex-president. (which is the territory you're turning cartwheels on)

[ecstatic]

13. Are you familiar with what happened?

Bragg requested documents from the doj a year ago. SDNY refused. Then trump makes the same request this January. Nothing. But now a few weeks before trial they dump 100,000+ documents with "more to come" and you seriously think this is normal or OK? This is clearly coordinated between trump's camp and one or more doj employees.

But at the end of the day, the buck stops with MG. This shit continues to happen on his watch.

Again, this is literally one of the most important cases in American history. The normal excuses or playbook should not apply in this case unless they are clueless fucks.

At a certain point, you have to accept the reality that is being laid out before us. I still want to think that one of the trials will be heard before the election, but it's starting to look less and less likely, and that's by design.

[stopdiggin]

17. "This is clearly coordinated between trump's camp and one or more doj employees"

Please provide any supporting evidence you have for this

[nbsmom]

43. Merrick Garland is a member of the Federalist Society

He’s part of the problem, full stop.

[tritsofme]

45. That is false, full stop.

[lees1975]

16. Don't be naive.

There are people in high places everywhere working as hard as they can to keep Trump's ass from ever sitting in a defendant's chair in a trial.

There's going to be a frustration point somewhere, and it will explode into violence. More than likely, anything that looks like it might take Trump down will result in that coming from his supporters, but this kind of approach is dangerous to the peace and stability of the country.

[gab13by13]

11. No one said anything about deliberate

Andrew Weissmann just said it is incompetence of the highest degree. SDNY should have turned over this discovery 1 year ago, Merrick Garland may be completely oblivious to this but the buck stops with him, he is the boss of SDNY.

[Ligyron]

18. And who is HIS boss?

Joe Biden should replace this guy over the mere appearance of any impropriety.

Put Glenn Kirschner in charge of the DOJ and we'll see some of the Justice part of that title actually happen.

[kiri]

30. Garland is no friend of democracy

We know that Garland is a life-long member of the Federalist Society. We know that he slow-walked/prevented investigation of the J6 coup for 11 months. We know that Garland has zero "prosecutorial zeal." And is scared of his political shadow.

[markpkessinger]

54. Who told you this?

Look, I'm no great fan of Garland either, but I just spent over 30 minutes trying to find any confirmation that Garland is or ever has been a member of the Federalist Society. Apparently he was, at one point, listed on the organization's website as an "Expert" (although there was a disclaimer on that page that indicated that a person's listing on that page was no indication that the person was affiliated with or in any way endorsed the beliefs of the Federalist Society), and has often moderated Federalist Society events. But a "lifelong member of the Federalist Society?" I could find nothing that even remotely hinted at that.

[PufPuf23]

42. What is normal is our legal system favors money and connections in general.

Happens down to local communities.

One must be willfully blind not to see this.

[Scrivener7]

6. 3.. 2.. 1 until someone tells us this is totally normal and sneers at anyone who has a concern.

Oh, and there will be a post about how there is a total silver lining to all of this and things are going exactly as they're supposed to.

While we watch this shit happen again and again and again.

[Stinky The Clown]

7. heh . . . . see above

[Scrivener7]

8. Hah! Yep. Nothing to see here.

Because, as someone will tell us in a minute, this isn't a Law and Order episode!!1!!k!

[gab13by13]

12. What will their story be when Bragg has to drop the case?

Who will they blame?

[Ray Bruns]

20. Obama. Or Hillary.

[dlk]

15. There are more Trumpers at DOJ than most of us realize

I wouldn’t mind a thorough housecleaning of those who have demonstrated their unusual and unprofessional bias on his behalf.

[arthritisR_US]

36. I think your point is dead on and the SDNY

has a stink going back a good decade or so.

[moniss]

19. If anybody thinks there are not

factions in the SDNY/local Manhattan and NY/NJ FBI who favor the Orange Ruski and his family and have been turning a blind eye for decades then I'll e-mail them their deed for the Brooklyn Bridge after they buy it for $100.

Certain personnel come and go in those offices but there is nobody who didn't see what the NY FBI did to Hillary in conjunction with Comey. There is nobody who didn't see Vance sandbag his own people when looking at Ivanka etc. That stuff has been all over the news for decades. The sham real estate dealings, the mob ties and on and on. So Bragg requested it a year ago. But when he didn't get it within 90 days did he call Garland and push him? We need answers to why this important of a matter didn't have aggressive follow-up by the lawyers working for Bragg and Bragg himself. Remember he didn't want to do this case to begin with. So did this become a peeing match about would this be a case handled at the local level or be a federal case? After initially rejecting pursuing the case did Bragg realize that if he retained control by pursuing it he could do the good old "catch and kill" routine?

So you have one of the most important cases in the country involving one of the most high profile people in the world and this is the kind of follow-up and attention to detail you have? Bullshit writ large.

[harumph]

28. You are correct. He didn't want to take the case. It may be catch and kill

with plausible deniability for all. Makes me think those in charge are corrupted. This is a huge fuck up. So huge, that
it isn't credible. At all.

[moniss]

41. I'm thinking that

we may see Garland announce his leaving sometime before the election. He might wait but I don't think he stays on after Biden wins.

[JoseBalow]

22. Sabotage is an act of opportunity

It becomes an art when it appears unintentional.

[Clearheadsam]

23. It's so frustrating the delays, delays and incompetence

of the DOJ. It’s actually the SDNY Attorney General’s fault who is Damian Williams. He law clerked for Garland. Why all these Republicans?
When and if Joe wins my first order is Garland is replaced. This has been a shit show from the start. You can’t trust any Republicans. Get the knives out. It’s War!

[kentuck]

32. I tend to agree...

Joe Biden should fire him, if nothing has been done by election day. Something is very awry, where there is even the "opportunity" that some criminal, with a cult mob around him, would attempt a coup against our government, and steal the nation's secrets.

What do you call it?

Espionage?

Treason?

Politics as Usual?

[kentuck]

25. This goes thru the Attorney-General...

Someone has to accept responsibility for the delays. Honest and patriotic Americans begin to question their own sense of patriotism.

There is a feeling that America is under some sort of attack?

The Mob wants to separate America into Democrats and Republicans. However, is it possible that there are "real" attacks upon our country?

In the big picture, I suppose anything is possible?

Both Biden and Trump were nominated by the two Parties, to run for the Presidency. They did it rather quickly.

Sometimes, it's just hard to figure out what's going on?

Peace.

[camartinwv]

26. I want to run out in the street and rant about exactly this. How is this happening?

[Pas-de-Calais]

27. All I know is this

If ANY of us had been charged under these same circumstances

We’d have been behind bars MONTHS ago

[kentuck]

29. Preach it!

It's the Mob.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

31. There is a cancer eating away at our form of government.

It's been growing since at least the time when Atwater, Rove, Stone, Murdoch and the Kochs gained power.

[Boomerproud]

47. Notice that of the names you correctly mentioned

Not one ran for office or was elected, but wielded life-changing power.

[Tree Lady]

33. Do you think Jack Smith expected all this?

The delays? The judge on Trumps side? He knows how slow trials can go, he knows what lawyers can do.

[lees1975]

35. If they know, then why bother with it? It will be pointless after the election if Trump wins.

So why waste the time, unless you're just interested in the taxpayer dollar check you're collecting.

[Frasier Balzov]

37. They all want the People to decide Trump's fate.

There seems to be unanimity about that.

No rescue through the judiciary.

[arthritisR_US]

39. People can't decide if the judiciary never puts the

cases before them.

[Think. Again.]

46. The people can't (and shouldn't) decide prosecution outcomes, two different 'fates'.

[Frasier Balzov]

48. Juries are people.

[Think. Again.]

49. Well done.

[Ponietz]

51. A jury of 12 people decide virtually every contested criminal case in this country

Keeping these cases from juries is undemocratic — the same tactic that’s been used to protect Texas AG Paxton. Looks like Bob Menendez will go to trial before shitstank.

[Think. Again.]

53. Oh my goodness...

...was it really that unclear that the "people" was being used to describe the general public, or are we all just feeling divisive today.

[stollen]

50. If we want to keep our Democracy...

we must have people at the top who want the same thing. I vote for Democracy, I donate, I write, I read, I try to persuade, but other than that I have no control over people like Bragg, Willis, and Garland, the shakers and movers. They either do their Gd jobs to maintain Democracy, or be responsible for losing it. I'm not going to set myself on fire.

[Emile]

52. Airman 1st Class Jack Teixeira, 22, an Air National Guardsman

ARRESTED LAST YEAR was sentenced 16 years.