Jimmy Fallon Has Done More Damage To Pres. Joe Biden Than Any.....

[global1]

MSM news service, conservative talk show talking head, Repug, or Tr**p supporters.

If Biden loses in Nov - we should personally hold Jimmy Fallon responsible for putting Tr**p in the White House and losing our democracy.

It's apparent that Fallon's audience is a young demographic. As he constantly -- every night - uses Joe Biden's age as the butt of his so called jokes - he's a recurrent voice in fostering Tr**p's projections that Biden has dementia and is faltering. This is Tr**p's way of covering up for his own weaknesses - as he is the one bordering on dementia and is a doddering old fool.

So when we see the poll results that the young demographic is moving away from Biden - because of his age - I blame Jimmy Fallon for his night after night - insulting so-called jokes at the expense of Joe Biden.

Yes - other late night hosts - poke fun at Biden's age. However, they do it in a way that isn't biting or hurtful. They do it in a way that actually makes those people that hurtfully use Joe's age against him - to make them look - unfair, petty and vindictive.

When a personality like Fallon - continuously - night after night - attacks Biden - he subliminally plants the perception in the minds of these impressionable youth - that the image he is projecting of Biden is real.

Fallon is taking advantage of his popularity with this young demographic to inject a political outcome - that will actually wind up hurting his very audience that he is influencing.

We need to stop laughing at Fallon and get the word out that - people that are being subliminally influenced by his hurtful barbs are causing them to vote against their very future interests.

[kimbutgar]

1. He is the only one of nighttime I never watch !

I remember listening to him years ago and thought this guy is not our friend when it comes to The Democratic Party.

[Traildogbob]

3. Same here

His Poodle on acid running on linoleum 😵?💫 personality is too much. And is one of the poorest sportsmanship examples on the planet.

[sagetea]

23. same...n/t

[William Seger]

45. Ditto

His writers are hacks, and Jimmy's joke delivery is lame.

[PTL_Mancuso]

46. His schtick just doesn't ring True

He has always seemed weaselly to me.

[UTUSN]

77. Me, too. Other three all better in brains, heart, & talent.

[Trueblue1968]

86. I hate Fallon.

[Autumn]

2. Susan must need a rest.

It's a fact that Joe is old, we elected him anyway knowing it would be for two terms. Trump is old. If Biden loses it will be Netanyahu's fault.

[JohnSJ]

26. If Biden loses it will be because too many people in the U.S. didn't vote

for him, and they don’t care if a racist, bigot, sexist, someone who tried to overthrow the government occupies the WH.

There is no excuse for not voting Democratic straight down the line.

[sop]

40. Exactly right.

[Autumn]

49. Well for a fact we know a large group of them aren't planning on voting for Biden that did the last time.

Got any idea why? Or just going to ignore it?

Oh yeah, Netanyahu.

[Think. Again.]

62. I don't believe...

....that holding back a vote for Biden in a sure-thing primary is the same as not voting for him in the November election.

I disagree that they will not vote for Biden when it matters.

[Autumn]

72. I think it's a stupid thing to do. I would crawl a mile through broken glass to vote for Biden.

But then I don't have any skin in the game, I have no family or loved ones being killed in Gaza.

[moondust]

4. I never watch him.

His brand of "humor" is often too childish to keep me interested.

[Marthe48]

5. I don't watch late night shows

I haven't had cable for 4+ years. I was lukewarm about Jimmy Fallon before I was off cable. There were other SNL cast members that were funnier with a wider range. But Fallon is cute and mainstream, so he got the slot.

You are right saying there is a lot of insinuation, not just from Fallon, but many other prominent people on television. It is easy to go with the flow, have a laugh or two, swallow a news story without chewing. But along with content is subtle slanting, voice inflection, body language. I noticed in the early 70s that newscasters used their voices to add shading to their stories, you know somber for a death story, sorrowful for human interest, things like that. When CNN started coming up with musical jingles for each military action the U.S. engaged in, I noticed that too. I even distrust the hosts I do listen to, as they either offer apologies to rwnj, or slant a story to make the rwnj seem the norm. We are past the point where we can accept comparisons of apples and oranges. If there are nuances that influence opinions, we need to point them out, and maybe people will be more aware and less foolish.

[calimary]

39. I'd guess he has a better agent than most of his previous peers.

[RKP5637]

6. Agree!!!!

[kcr]

7. Agree. Although

I'm not sure his demographic is all that young. Youth today don't watch broadcast networks, and they have no interest in traditional late night television. My sons are in their early twenties, and I doubt they even know who he is. That doesn't excuse Fallon. He's always been a middling doofus. Remember his fawning interview with Trump?

[ShazzieB]

66. I will never forget that smarmy interview! 😬

It was the first thing I thought about when I saw his name in the title of the op, and it ran through my mind the whole time I was reading the post. It was disgustingly obsequious, and I'll never forgive him for it.

[Maraya1969]

8. But we can call or email him. It is time to start fighting these negative influences

[womanofthehills]

37. He barely has an audience - he will make no difference

“According to Forbes, as of 2022, The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon brings in an average viewership of 1.318 million viewers.”

Many podcasts have millions of viewers. Like Rogan or hate him - some of his podcasts get 40 millions views.

[Hope22]

74. Please post the contact info.

I find it very hard to find contacts for late night talking heads.

[Sympthsical]

9. "It's apparent that Fallon's audience is a young demographic"

It is not. These network late night shows are creatures of an older demographic. The shows have been trying to pivot towards a next-day YouTube model where they chop the shows up into individual clips. However, if you look at the show's YouTube page, note the number of views.

Those numbers are dismal for a national network show that seeks cultural relevance.

Compare the numbers to the Daily Show. SNL. Any rando on TikTok. Any rando anywhere, really.

Fallon's influence is minimal at best. Late night is a dying cultural artifact from the age of television. Conan O'Brien and Jon Stewart had far more influence and effect on younger viewers, while Boomers continue on with the three main networks. Steven Colbert's influence among Millennials effectively vanished once the Colbert Report ended.

Gutfeld! on Fox pulled in 203,000 average viewers 18-49 demographic last week - and he is the top-rated late night person on tv.

No one under 50 is tuning into this stuff anymore.

[Diamond_Dog]

10. I don't think too many young people watch his show.

My 30-somethings don’t watch network TV at all and tell me nobody they know watches it either.

But if he’s doing a disservice to President Biden he needs to STFU!

[shrike3]

13. Exactly.

Colbert's audience also seems to skew older.

[womanofthehills]

38. I haven't had a tv for over 10 yrs

I spend too much time on my iPhone. If I watched tv too, I would get nothing done. I listen to podcasts while doing my stuff. Same with daughter & grandkids - phones & games - not into tv.

[All Mixed Up]

11. I think you give him way too much credit.

Most young people aren't even watching network tv.

It's not 1990 anymore where these hosts actually have influence.

[Johonny]

12. I like Seth Meyer

Not shocked Biden chose to go on his show.

[PatSeg]

24. And Colbert is feeling a bit rejected right now

being Seth Meyer booked Biden, but the President hasn't accepted Colbert's invitations. Stephen needs to stop with the ageism jokes. It is a real turnoff.

[orleans]

44. agree. i'm indifferent to watching his (colbert's) show lately. sick of anti biden bullshit. nt

[PatSeg]

70. And the jokes are lazy and unoriginal writing

There are plenty of ideas for great jokes. If that is the best they can do, then they aren't worth the time. Not to mention, they not only insult the President, they insult the elderly people who still watch late night programs.

By the way, last night Colbert actually made fun of the media focusing so much on the president's age. His response to the media's lukewarm reaction to the huge Russian/Smirnov story, "Half the media in the United States is focused on the scandal of 'old man is old and likes ice cream.'" Maybe Colbert is trying to redeem himself?

[shrike3]

14. Given so many people make fun of Biden's age, I don't know that it's fair to single Fallon out.

[Hope22]

15. Colbert brings up Biden's age every night.

Saturday Night Live never misses a chance to mock Biden’s age as well. It’s a sign that their comedic skills are very shallow. OK we have heard it. Move on to the next worse thing. Maybe touch on his payments to prostitutes, denigrating speech on women and massive document thefts. Oh that is right, he doesn’t have those issues. If a late night host/ show mocks Biden’s age I change the channel.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

69. SNL has done that with every president ever.

I remember Chevy Chase falling down as Ford ALL THE TIME in the 70s.

And if you think they didn't make fun of Trump (and still do), they you aren't really watching the show.

[Hope22]

79. Um two things....

*Both candidates are almost the same age…
*One candidate has stolen us blind during his presidency, worked against democracy and has thousands of documented lies while the other works for all Americans and is eighty years old with a slight stammer.

I’m not young so I’ve seen what you have. This cycle,it is different. Democracy is on the line and mocking someone’s age is like mocking a disability. Mocking someone’s age while the other candidate is in much worse physical shape is beyond words.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

82. And they have made fun of Trump for all those things.

They don't discriminate. Neither does Daily Show. It's what good social commentary is. Don't hold off on one because they are of a certain pary.

[Xavier Breath]

91. The guy they have now that does the Trump impersonation

James Austin Johnson, is killing it. He captures Trump better than anyone, and the material is hilarious.

[ZonkerHarris]

16. Fallon is a bad drunk. He has no moral center. Everyone in Hollywood knows this.

[sop]

51. There's been a lot of talk about Fallon's drinking and abusive behavior.

https://pagesix.com/2023/09/07/nbc-once-feared-jimmy-fallons-drinking-would-cause-something-bad-to-happen/

I watched Fallon's first few shows after he replaced Leno, never watched him again. He grates on one's nerves. Late night talk shows today are just places where celebrities go to plug some product.

[ZonkerHarris]

64. Lorne has protected him his entire career.

[Elessar Zappa]

17. Nothing we can do about it except change the channel.

And I doubt many youth are watching late night television. Most don’t watch any traditional TV.

[PatSeg]

22. That's a valid point

though many younger people watch clips of late night shows online.

[Polybius]

18. I wish we could go back to the days of Carson, Leno, and Letterman

With those three, you really had no idea who's side they were on or who they would be voting for.

[marble falls]

30. Fuck Leno.

[Polybius]

32. Why?

He's a Democrat, but unlike Kimmel you didn't know that by his dialog.

[marble falls]

47. For the fun of it, google bad things about Jay Leno. I just find him a jerk. Fuck him.

[cab67]

52. True.

That said, even though Colbert and (to a far lesser extent) Kimmel make Biden age jokes, it's pretty clear they think a Trump victory would be catastrophic.

[moonscape]

55. And Cronkite!

[Captain Stern]

76. His show was on pretty early in the evening.

And maybe it's just me, but I just never found him to be all that funny.

[moonscape]

97. I was just blasting to the

past, thinking of what I miss in old nightly media viewing, not late-night humor.

Side road

[maxsolomon]

19. I can't even stay up to watch the local news.

I am amazed I used to watch Letterman after the tonight show back in the day. Back before I worked a 9 to 5.

[Earth-shine]

20. Want to know why the media always picks on Biden for his age?

Cause they got nothing else on this honorable man.

[DENVERPOPS]

92. Also

because the Media in the U.S. is nearly entirely owned by Republicans.......

They never picked on McTurtle, or several other Republican Senators who had 10-15 years on Biden.....
How old is McConnell? How old is Grassley. etc etc etc

[PatSeg]

21. Shoot, I don't watch Jimmy Fallon

I had no idea he was that bad. I get frustrated sometimes with Stephen Colbert and apparently his invitations to Biden to appear on The Late Show have not been accepted.

They all need to knock off the ageism jokes. They aren't funny and they are really damaging. Plus, it is lazy writing.

[catrose]

25. I thought I'd never give up SNL

A few “Biden is old” jokes did it for me long ago.

[FoggyLake]

29. I gave up on SNL...

When they stopped using orange face paint on the actor mocking Trump. It feels like fawning toadyism. (..and yes, I used a thesaurus!)

[Oneironaut]

65. To be fair, SNL was totally unfunny long before Biden ever became President.

Most skits are vapid bullshit.

[LudwigPastorius]

27. "We need to stop laughing at Fallon..."

Way ahead of you.

I watched maybe two shows when he took over from Leno, and he always came across as the too-eager, son-in-law of the boss, coworker type. I've never found him funny in the least.

[DENVERPOPS]

28. Everyone, Everywhere is

only interested in increasing audience. Audience numbers, readership numbers, etc, equals dollars. Simple formula.

I recall Hillary stating in the debates? "There Is A Vast Right Wing Conspiracy".....everyone laughed......I guess she knew the actuality of what was forming, in 2016, because we are not laughing now........

All media in the U.S. is Owned/Operated by Uber Rich or Corporations, all leaning to the right..........

The only reason that a portion of MSNBC is left, (think Rachel, Lawrence, etc) is that the humongous amount of money they bring into MSNBC in Viewership of those select programs.......And they allow them to exist, because they believe in money, far more than they believe in the Republicans.......

Watch some of the normal broadcast by MSNBC, and it isn't Dem oriented at all.........

A few of us are old and experienced to remember the: "Fairness Doctrine" imposed on the media.......One of the first things, of hundreds, that HWBush, and his band of merry sycophants obliterated during the Reagan occupation of the White House.....

Taken straight from Hitler's play book: "Take control of the Press"

The one word, that best defines the Republicans is HYPOCRISY. It is the basis of everything that comes out of their mouths.
In this case, just look at the capabilities, and nefarious deeds of Moscow Mitch, and countless other REALLY OLD Republican politicians........

[John1956PA]

57. I do not think Hillary said "right-wing conspiracy" at any time after 1998. n/t

[DENVERPOPS]

90. Thx..........

Even better! Then she recognized it 18 years ahead of everyone else........

[The Unmitigated Gall]

67. Don't give it a penny. Don't feed the beast.

The media as a whole is failing democracy.

[Cheezoholic]

31. Wonder if he's got a fragile ego behind that smart ass comedic front he puts on

He was always close to being a "shock" comedian before he got this gig and I've never thought his talent had a smidgen of honesty in it. His attention deficit is not a disorder, its him.

For instance, we just lost an amazing comedian, and person, who didn't have a problem taking controversial stabs in his act sometimes overt, sometimes disguised as humility, often overtly self promoting, but sliding his own neurosis of dealing with self adulation and guilt we all deal with and thereby sharing a true bit of himself with his audience and vice versa. That's real honest comedic talent to me .

I wonder if his show has gotten turned down by President Biden and he's pissed because the President did Seth's show. What a lot of these people "present" to us for our entertainment is usually a far cry from who they really are. After all, most of them, especially actors, get paid very well to basically put on a mask and be someone they're not.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

71. Jimmy Fallon is not a shock comedian.

Not even close.

You probably don't want to broaden your horizon of comedians if you think he is. You would probably have a stroke.

[Cheezoholic]

85. Lol, hence the quotes, my hat tip to a true talent, who will be sdaly missed, Richard Lewis and

the fact I've always found Fallon's 30 year old act stale, childish, self serving and maybe occasionally amusing. I'm not any kind of entertainer or writer so perhaps that's why you missed the cynical quotes, my mistake. Trust me my friend, my mother clipped my blinders at birth and my horizon on not just comedians, but life in all its joy is as broad and far as the eye can see

[Oopsie Daisy]

33. Which one is he?

Whatever he's doing/saying, I'm sure it couldn't be worse than Bill Maher (who seems to have a cult following in certain quarters.)

[PTL_Mancuso]

50. Back in the Day... What a Guy

(prolly 20 years ago?) Maher had a lot of funny, incisive, irreverent observations that it seemed only he could make and a sparkling presence. But it all dried up and over the years his persona settled into some of his uglier character traits that I hadn't noticed earlier.

My kids tell me that the same thing happened to me!

[SouthernDem4ever]

34. He was a sub-par talent on SNL

Never watch his late show. I still wonder who thought he was a good choice.

[Celerity]

36. I know almost no one in my age cohort (18 to 34, I am 27) who watches late night talk shows on telly networks.

Jimmy Fallon turns 50yo in half a year. He is hardly some major influence on younger Millennials/Gen Z.

[Sogo]

41. I don't watch Fallon or any other late night,

but if this is what Fallon is doing, you are correct in your assessment of its effect.

I remember years ago reading that a large portion of our population gets its "news" from late night talk shows....

Maybe we should bombard Fallon with complaints.

[ificandream]

42. Attacking Biden? I haven't seen that.

But he's a comedian. Take what they say with a grain of salt.

[JT45242]

43. Comparing youtube views for a typical opening segment/monologue

Fallon -- 250k

Kimmel -- 1-2 million views

Seth Meyers -- a closer look gets about 1 million views

Colbert --1-2 million views within a couple days

John Oliver 1-2 million views within a week

[Mosby]

48. Leno did the same thing with Clinton.

It became unwatchable.

[Basic LA]

54. I was so gonna say that!

I think Leno's still telling Monica jokes (to the large staff of mechanics in his 1000 personal luxury-car garage emporium.)

[orleans]

53. he's a fucking idiot

in the midst of the pandemic he signed off every night with: "wash your hands, don't touch your face"
did he ever tell people to WEAR A FUCKING MASK? NO!
did he mention social distancing? no!
did he ever read up on covid or how it was spread? no.

moron.

maybe he's just in it for the cheap laughs.
(i hear jon stewart did that bullshit recently. done with him too)

[doc03]

56. I watched him like twice since he came on

TV, he is an idiot.

[Oneironaut]

58. It's just humor. Big deal.

Joe Biden is indeed old, and, comedians love to make fun of Presidents.

Not everything needs to be in service of some cause. Sometimes people like to just relax and laugh at the absurdity of those in power.

I seriously doubt it affects anything.

[live love laugh]

60. Trump's mocking of the disabled was also just humor.

[Oneironaut]

68. Mocking people for disabilities isn't funny. Also, there's a huge difference

between mocking a reporter vs. the President of the United States. If Kimmel mocked some random guy for being old, then it would be wrong.

Biden is the most powerful person on the entire planet.

[live love laugh]

83. It's "just humor" isn't an acceptable excuse either.

Fallon didn’t apply the same damaging “humor” to Trump.

If he did, I might still be watching.

[global1]

80. When Most Of Biden's Poll Numbers Are Upside Down Because Of His Age....

the constant chipping away at that does have an effect.

Those repetitive age slams have an additive effect and those people - that aren't that politically active/involved/astute - begin to internalize that - and that's what they remember when it's their time to vote.

[DENVERPOPS]

93. I think they fear

something happening to Biden, and Kamala Harris Taking his place.......A Woman? A Woman of Color???? heaven forbid.....

And the same with the only other Republican runner is a Woman with foreign heritage.......

[Greybnk48]

59. I have not watched him since he giggled and fawned over candidate Trump

like a smitten fan boy on his show years ago. He's a manchild who's drinking has gotten the better of him. Not funny to me at all.

Edit: I NEVER miss Colbert and Jimmy Kimmel (and now Jon Stewart). I record them all and watch when I can. John Oliver too (hilarious). They go after President Biden, tease and joke about his age. but not in a nasty mean spirited way. Jon Stewart came close to crossing the line, but offset it with a long segment about the Trump crime family. Fuck Fallon. He's past HIS sell-by date.

[Mr.Bill]

61. I was always a big fan of Jay Leno, going way back.

I even went and saw him live once. Then in the late 90s when the whole Monica Lewinski thing happened, his monologue morphed into 20 minutes of Bill Clinton sexual inuendo jokes. He really wore that one out.

I had heard Leno say when asked about politics and his humor, he said when he got equal amounts of hate mail from both sides, he knew he was doing it right. I guess that's not a bad strategy to get the best ratings, but he went way over to the other side on this subject.

I watched Jimmy Fallon the first night he was hosting his show. It was absolutely cringeworthy. He looked and acted like a terrified child. Way beyond stage fright. I never watched him since.

If I had to name an all-time favorite late night host, David Letterman is way out in front of the modern era. Steve Allen, Jack Paar and Dick Cavett for the older era.

[Doodley]

63. If Joe Biden loses it isn't because of Jimmy Fallon. It is because one side (that is evil) convinced more people to vote

for their guy than our side did. If Trump is re-elected, he will be the most dangerous man in the world. And if that happens, there is something very wrong with our ability to communicate basic messages.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

73. I gained a modicum of respect for JF during Strike Force 5.

So I watched the show a few times after. I doubt he has a very large audience. They have other things to watch and habe no idea who Johnny Carson was. He's got a vocabulary of about 20 words that he repeats every few minutes. It hit me that he could easily be AI replaced.

Meanwhile, Kimmel is killing it!

[Marcus IM]

75. Hold it! Are we to believe that repeating lies and BS works on viewers/listeners?

Hard to believe that can happen in the greatest most powerful nation on earth.

[Grins]

78. I started HATING Jay Leno when he constantly brought up Clinton's penis

Literally, he kept that shit up for more 10-year's after Clinton left office.

The guy I think is doing great vs. Trump is Jimmy Kimmel. Not only taking on Trump, but those around him, esp. Mike Lindell.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

81. I do not watch this person

[Sparkman3]

84. Thirty three of the 100 U.S. senators are OVER 70, five over 80, Chuck Grassley90yrs.

Easy wiki search: Chuck Grassly / Mitch Mcconnell / Patty Murry / Ron Wyden / Jack Reed / Dick Durban / Susan Collins / Chuck Shumer / Mike Crapo / Debbie Stabenow / Tom Carter / John Cornya / Bernie Sanders / Sherrod Brown / Ben Cardin / John Barrasso / Roger Wicker / Jeanne Shaneen / Jim Risch / Joe Manchin / John Boozman / Richard Blumenthal / Deb Fischer / Elizabeth Warren / Angus King / Mazie Hirono / Ed Markey / John Kennedy / Mitt Romney / Marsha Blackburn / Rick Scott / John Hickenlooper / Peter Welch.

[KS Toronado]

87. Welcome to DU!

[Cha]

88. What did he do? I remember he

got excoriated in 2016 for tossing TSF's hair like he was a normal person.

[Cha]

89. WHY Doesn't Fallon Go After the TSF Traitor?

Does he Want American Democracy to END?

[IcyPeas]

94. SNL + Jimmy Fallon... common denominator NBC/Lorne Michaels

Who writes Fallon's monologs?

I'm not a fan of his over-the-top high energy shtick which seems so fake.

I look to see who the musical guests are on the night shows and record if someone I like.

[vercetti2021]

95. Fucking hack

Kimmel is better, he goes scorched earth on Trump and his dingbat supporters. Fallon is a clown and literally just a terrible all around host. He's so goddamn unfunny and boring its cringy. I've disliked him since SNL when he laughed at fucking EVERYTHING that wasn't even remotely funny.

[flvegan]

96. Yeah, um, no he hasn't. n/t