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MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:22 PM Feb 25

Maybe I'm being paranoid, which is something I've never been,

but, after hearing Benedict Donald's treasonous speech the other day, I really fear for my gay granddaughter's future.
How can any honest American support this lunatics vision for America's future?

I'm fast approaching my end of life, and I'm fully OK with that, but be as that may be, I will fight until the last breath I breathe to defend the principles of which this country was founded on and defeat Benedict Donald and his MAGAt followers and restore this great country to what it was founded on.
Please join me on this difficult journey.
Peace out
Daniel.

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Maybe I'm being paranoid, which is something I've never been, (Original Post) MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 OP
I've always leaned toward pacificism (personal philosophy), even while I appreciate self-defense... hlthe2b Feb 25 #1
I really understand where you're coming from, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #4
MCE you know that sometimes fighting is the only option left. Irish_Dem Feb 25 #15
Yes. you're right, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #16
Most of us have a core belief that if we are in grave danger, we will fight. Irish_Dem Feb 25 #25
Thank you and may I say that you're one of my favorite members here. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #26
I feel the same way about you MCE. Irish_Dem Feb 25 #36
Agree with the absolute need to fight back BUT PTL_Mancuso Feb 25 #77
I made an OP along the same lines. Irish_Dem Feb 25 #80
To this day I remember taking a course BlueKota Feb 25 #57
The Supreme Court has been corrupted. Irish_Dem Feb 25 #60
I am an odd mixture. Irish_Dem Feb 25 #14
Everybodies Grand daughters and grandsons is the MAIN reason to STOP these cultists traitors!! bluestarone Feb 25 #2
Those of us who don't have children or grandchildren care, too. Ocelot II Feb 25 #27
Thank you and I should've included that in my thread. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #28
Exactly!!! bluestarone Feb 25 #33
Since I don't have children, all children are my children. shrike3 Feb 25 #82
Me too. tazkcmo Feb 25 #3
The comfort I can offer is only anecdotal happybird Feb 25 #5
Great post. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #7
About the "conservative" nieces. It's symptomatic of a syndrome that's been around for about 44 years. jaxexpat Feb 25 #23
Yes, I think that is exactly my nieces happybird Feb 25 #50
Yep. The RW has had a well-funded, professional, very successful propaganda campaign. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 25 #74
There are similarities with past fascists. usonian Feb 25 #6
I'm fully on board on that, as is my family and extended family. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #10
I'm with you. Goddessartist Feb 25 #8
+100. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #11
Do you mind if I steal "Benedict Donald?" gab13by13 Feb 25 #12
By all means, please do so. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #13
I'm standing shoulder to shoulder with that FEAR. I hear you on all counts at 77. usaf-vet Feb 25 #17
I deal with it by studying the brilliant people Voltaire2 Feb 25 #18
Thoughts. limbicnuminousity Feb 25 #34
Unfortunately a centrist political party Voltaire2 Feb 25 #40
There's comfort in understanding the mechanics limbicnuminousity Feb 25 #45
Hmm. limbicnuminousity Feb 25 #19
Thank you for this post, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #21
How horrific! I'm glad they are more stabilized now. electric_blue68 Feb 25 #63
Thanks. limbicnuminousity Feb 25 #72
I've A Trans Grand-Kid In High School, Sir: I Share Your Worries The Magistrate Feb 25 #20
You are not being paranoid. What bothers me most -- aside from my kids' future being at risk KPN Feb 25 #22
With you on all of that. My favorite fantasy demise for the orange menace is Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 25 #76
That is identical to my fantasy about his overdue demise. 3catwoman3 Feb 26 #84
I'm with you all the way. llmart Feb 25 #24
Grit your teeth, stand straight and lean into them. We're moving them back. marble falls Feb 25 #29
Slowly but surely we're confronting the evil in these MAGAts and their "fuhrer" Benedict Donald. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #31
With you 110% blm Feb 25 #30
With you all the way... sarchasm Feb 25 #32
I'm old and in ill health... BigOleDummy Feb 25 #35
I completely agree. This election is our last stand for elective democracy.... Joinfortmill Feb 25 #37
Not just for gay people. Check out what life is like for straight women under the Houthis. barbaraann Feb 25 #38
The red hats are ironic JoseBalow Feb 25 #51
Really! barbaraann Feb 25 #52
I don't care what your team colors are, or what it says on it JoseBalow Feb 25 #56
I don't think you're being paranoid- you're being Alliepoo Feb 25 #39
Great post. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #42
Yeah - I'm Getting Paranoid - and Restless, Too! panfluteman Feb 25 #41
Dementia Don is going down, and hopefully takes the R party with him. KS Toronado Feb 25 #43
I love your attitude, one which I truly believe in. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #44
His adoring fan club doesn't listen to what the asshole says Warpy Feb 25 #46
Agree - already got my daughter out of the country for college TBF Feb 25 #47
There may be a time we will need to really fight back. LiberalFighter Feb 25 #48
I'm with you on that, 100% wendyb-NC Feb 25 #49
So many great posts here, grumpyduck Feb 25 #53
I'm very encourged by the posts I see here, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 25 #54
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you, bluescribbler Feb 25 #55
Sadly DownriverDem Feb 25 #58
Wow is this shocking. Watch to the end. LetMyPeopleVote Feb 25 #59
I saw this when it aired SpankMe Feb 25 #64
No, you're not being paranoid. J_William_Ryan Feb 25 #61
Beyond Trump, and beyond MAGA Mr. Ected Feb 25 #62
Definitely valid. I hope I don't have to "fight in the streets" should fascist mayhem come to NYC... electric_blue68 Feb 25 #65
I'm with you on this difficult journey 100% Think. Again. Feb 25 #66
Aww... I have the same feelings about Cha Feb 25 #67
One grandparent to another, AMEN. appleannie1 Feb 25 #68
I am right there, MCE DENVERPOPS Feb 25 #69
Right there with you, MCE. sheshe2 Feb 25 #70
It wouldnt be difficult orangecrush Feb 25 #71
I am with you in the fight against right wingers and fascists. lark Feb 25 #73
Trump is in his own little world of lies. pwb Feb 25 #75
Work for the best scenario, Eko Feb 25 #78
Dear MarineCombatEngineer, madaboutharry Feb 25 #79
Amen Jarhead Cherokee100 Feb 25 #81
You have more than one gay grandaughter.? Nothing Laura PourMeADrink Feb 26 #83
Whoops! MarineCombatEngineer Feb 26 #86
I am a proud step parent of an Asian girl JPPaverage Feb 26 #85
Thanks everyone for the replies. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 26 #87

hlthe2b

(102,525 posts)
1. I've always leaned toward pacificism (personal philosophy), even while I appreciate self-defense...
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:27 PM
Feb 25

Lately, my dreams belie this. I'll just leave it at that...

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
4. I really understand where you're coming from,
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:31 PM
Feb 25

but please, don't give up your beliefs because of a traitor like Benedict and his MAGAt followers.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
16. Yes. you're right,
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:58 PM
Feb 25

but It just floors me that we have to give up our core beliefs for a waste of oxygen like Benedict and his MAGAt followers.

Irish_Dem

(47,928 posts)
36. I feel the same way about you MCE.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:06 PM
Feb 25

As we have talked about, my US Navy uncle was killed bringing much needed supplies to marines at the Battle of Guadalcanal.
My US Air Force father risked his life flying combat in Viet Nam bringing supplies to the marines.

As a kid I always figured the marines must be doing the important work.

So it is in my DNA to have your back.

 

PTL_Mancuso

(276 posts)
77. Agree with the absolute need to fight back BUT
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 08:39 PM
Feb 25

Fight where? All that mean, nasty, evil, ugly stuff that has happened for the past 30-40 years (actually since before Nixon!) and I have written hundreds of letters made lots of calls and went to demonstrations (all peaceful) to strengthen our democracy. But the fascist steamroller has continued its odious task, squishing Democracy to death. So, that kind of fighting has been mostly useless.

We call or write our congress-critters and yell and scream and they ignore us as their big donors see fit. Nowadays, large demonstrations of public will to Freedom cannot happen, and if they try, the (corporate) state will infiltrate them, the press will ridicule and discredit them (e.g. Occupy Wall St.).

I blame almost all of this on unregulated and de-regulated capitalism where the lawless now write our laws. And battling corporations is just about futile. They are made of ether. It's like tilting at windmills.

Irish_Dem

(47,928 posts)
80. I made an OP along the same lines.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:34 PM
Feb 25
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218719066

Basically it is time to ask our leaders where the hell is our plan?

The PutinGOP has a plan, and has had one for decades, working it step by step.

Yes the US is now an oligarchy. Run by the billionaires who bribe corrupt politicians who lie to the voters.
And the GOP has sold us out to Putin as well.

BlueKota

(1,862 posts)
57. To this day I remember taking a course
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:09 PM
Feb 25

called The Clash of The Modern Hells - about Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in 1983. The professor said once that we never should take for granted that it can't happen here in the U.S. I wrote him an email back when January 6 happened. I told him I felt like I was seeing Stalin like qualities in Trump. He replied I see them too, but as long as the legal courts hold strong I think we will be okay.

The fact that there is still dead silence from the Supreme Court on the stay and immunity question isn't doing a lot to increase my confidence that they will hold much longer.


Irish_Dem

(47,928 posts)
60. The Supreme Court has been corrupted.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:23 PM
Feb 25

We can no longer predict if they will do the right thing or not.

Yes every day that goes by and they do not rule on the immunity question is a gift to Trump.

And yes I think most Americans have taken their democracy and freedom for granted.

And felt like we would never lose our country. But it is much more fragile than we realized.
Your professor was right.

Irish_Dem

(47,928 posts)
14. I am an odd mixture.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:53 PM
Feb 25

By nature, a complete pacifist. I literally find it hard to kill a fly.

That said, if someone crosses major lines, I will fight and fight hard.
I won't start a fight, but I will finish it if I have to.

And someone stealing democracy, and endangering the lives of Americans on a daily basis.
Well then it is time to fight. And do whatever it takes to stop the danger.

bluestarone

(17,122 posts)
2. Everybodies Grand daughters and grandsons is the MAIN reason to STOP these cultists traitors!!
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:31 PM
Feb 25

Hell i'll soon be 77. This crap won't effect me and wife too much. We do it for every kids FUTURE!! Like you until my dying breath!!!

Ocelot II

(115,985 posts)
27. Those of us who don't have children or grandchildren care, too.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:51 PM
Feb 25

We also care about the future, even for people who aren't our descendants.

shrike3

(3,870 posts)
82. Since I don't have children, all children are my children.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 11:05 PM
Feb 25

And all grandchildren are my grandchildren. I fight for the planet, and all my kin.

happybird

(4,671 posts)
5. The comfort I can offer is only anecdotal
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:33 PM
Feb 25

We had several teenagers at work last summer and I spent some time with my nieces and nephew (19-24 years old) a few months ago. They are different, in a good way. They are tolerant and compassionate. Even those who claimed to be conservative (my nieces, ugh) are very open-minded and dare I say, liberal, on social issues. And they are pissed about income inequality.

Everything comes and goes in cycles and I think (and hope) the vitriol and hate they have witnessed while growing up is making them move in the opposite direction.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
7. Great post.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:36 PM
Feb 25

All of my children, grand children, great grandchildren are dedicated Dems who are going to vote this year to stop this lunatic and his MAGAt followers.

jaxexpat

(6,880 posts)
23. About the "conservative" nieces. It's symptomatic of a syndrome that's been around for about 44 years.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:42 PM
Feb 25

People generally have the same general opinions about things. They like and dislike pretty much the same things. But the things "conservatives" dislike, they've been trained to associate with "Liberals and all things liberal". Not because there is a great deal of difference between left-thinking and right-thinking people. But because of the deceitful way the conversation has been set up by Republican politicians and a complicit media.

That's where the 44 years thing comes in. It's no accident that Reagan was elected by repeating his handlers' favorite lies often enough to make them reliable "truth-speak". It was a method proven useful, if not effective, by Lenin, Stalin and liars in power since Pharoh. His rhetoric was designed to spoon feed fake patriotism and commonly believed racist talking points to a gullible general public. His campaign tactic was to cynically betray the nation's security behind the scenes while loudly identifying those who would disagree with his policies and despise his corporate lies as "Liberal ________" (add slur as suffix). He totally got away with the whole scam.

So now, after some pretty outrageous history since, we have about 45% of the population programmed, like Pavlov's dogs, to shut their minds off and immerse themselves in a pre-programed hate-the-"other" fantasy when they associate people with the term "Liberal". They're not evil people, necessarily, they are just folks easily susceptible to suggestion and generational mass hypnotism, a lot like Germany's volks-Nazis. Like any pack of dogs led by a feral outlaw, they will cause harm and need to be put down. That's how wars get so popular.

Meanwhile, nieces will, hopefully, learn the wisdom of cautious speech when avowing their allies lest they find they've unwittingly joined a club with no means to exit.

happybird

(4,671 posts)
50. Yes, I think that is exactly my nieces
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:40 PM
Feb 25

They are programmed. Their parents are opinionated trumpers and they were raised in a North Carolina mega church (I call it quasi-evangelical because it’s not all the way over the line into cuckooland but very close). Both are extremely intelligent, both are nurses, and they are very loving and compassionate people. My hope is as they get more distance from their parents without the constant reinforcement and with more real life experience their programming will fade.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,776 posts)
74. Yep. The RW has had a well-funded, professional, very successful propaganda campaign.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 07:35 PM
Feb 25

The main idea they force feed whomever will listen is that liberals are bad people, quite possibly evil. Even though all of the "conservatives" I know know loads of liberals and know damn well, if they stop to think, that "liberals" are not by definition bad or evil people because they have friends and family who are liberals almost all of whom are not evil or bad. Very few eating babies in pizza parlor basements.

But in their politics, they act as if the RW propaganda is true.

usonian

(9,969 posts)
6. There are similarities with past fascists.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:36 PM
Feb 25

Pink triangles!

But we have an opportunity to stop fascism in its tracks. Let's give it maximum effort. We can be peaceful warriors for justice.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
9. I'm fully on board on that, as is my family and extended family.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 12:38 PM
Feb 25

Let's make it happen and send these traitors to the Constitution to the dustbin of history.

Response to usonian (Reply #6)

Voltaire2

(13,259 posts)
18. I deal with it by studying the brilliant people
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:08 PM
Feb 25

who lived through the rise and collapse of 20th century fascism from the 20s-40s, and their equally brilliant successors of our own time. It is the intellectual space labeled ‘critical theory’, and it is very broad and very deep.

The bad news is they do not have a magic bullet to make this all go away. Instead they provide tools for analyzing and understanding the historical context in which we exist.

limbicnuminousity

(1,407 posts)
34. Thoughts.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:04 PM
Feb 25

You have a fun job!

Can you use that historical context to fill in the negative space? i.e. eliminate options that we know are unlikely to work based on precedent?

Voltaire2

(13,259 posts)
40. Unfortunately a centrist political party
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:15 PM
Feb 25

defending an almost universally loathed status quo is very unlikely to prevent a determined and well funded fascist political party from taking power.

That’s probably not what you want to hear .

I’m just an amateur. I started on this project two years ago after realizing I had no idea what ‘critical theory’ was, only that the fascists seemed to be terrified by it.

What I quickly discovered is that there is literally 100 years of published work in this field, and that I had huge gaping holes in my knowledge. So I’ve been slowly filling in the philosophical pre-requisite holes, and chasing an almost endless series of digressions into references, and hopefully this all will not take 100 years to complete.

limbicnuminousity

(1,407 posts)
45. There's comfort in understanding the mechanics
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:28 PM
Feb 25

even if the forecast is gloomy. Been reviewing post-WW2 Indochina history here for hints of insight. Might have to dip into this critical theory you describe. Anything that terrifies the fascists is a good thing. Good find!

limbicnuminousity

(1,407 posts)
19. Hmm.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:08 PM
Feb 25

A few years back a group of neo-Nazis in an online community tried indoctrinating my kid. She rejected the indoctrination and so they decided to try driving her to suicide through online harassment. This particular group, I later learned, had successfully done so with other young people in prior years. The experience triggered a severe first episode of bipolar type I with far-reaching consequences. The issue has been resolved and my kid is now disabled but otherwise okay.

You're right to be concerned for your children and your grandchildren. And if they, the MAGAts, show up at your door, I'd advise either not answering or making sure they don't walk away.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
21. Thank you for this post,
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:12 PM
Feb 25

I can damn well guarantee that any MAGAt showing up at my door or any door of my family and attempts to do harm will not walk away in one piece, they will be taking a dirt nap for eternity.

limbicnuminousity

(1,407 posts)
72. Thanks.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 07:15 PM
Feb 25

Things will be stabilized when neo-Nazi's are no longer infiltrating our institutions or influencing our politics.

KPN

(15,677 posts)
22. You are not being paranoid. What bothers me most -- aside from my kids' future being at risk
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:40 PM
Feb 25

in large part due to that fat f'ing a-hole, his party and MAGAt supporters -- is that I find myself wishing that something or someone would permanently remove him and a number of others from our daily lives as well as this planet. Justice hasn't been been served yet nor does it appear guaranteed. Consequently, I find myself "wishing" a bad thing would happen to the fat F now ,... and that's against my basic nature. It troubles me greatly that he has wormed his way into my personal existence.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,776 posts)
76. With you on all of that. My favorite fantasy demise for the orange menace is
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 07:44 PM
Feb 25

a deadly lightning strike on the golf course. I love that there would be no one to blame except god. Of course, the MAGAts would find the entire Biden family at fault somehow.

My 86 yo mother, who is generally not a vicious person, says a fatal heart attack or stroke in Dear Leader would work for her.

Neither of us is prepared to become an armed freedom fighter, at least not yet, so we need the universe to step in.

llmart

(15,567 posts)
24. I'm with you all the way.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 01:46 PM
Feb 25

I'm in my 70's and have an eight-year old granddaughter and I know I'd lay down my life for that sweet little, innocent girl. My biggest concern is these rabid magats are allowed to have military style weapons and school shootings are everywhere. I honestly don't know how I could go on if it happened to my granddaughter. We need to stop the madness at every turn and we all need to do something! Don't remain silent because you're intimidated by any of them. We need to take back our country and now is the time we are being called to do just that.

BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
35. I'm old and in ill health...
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:05 PM
Feb 25

... but as long as theres a rampart for me to lean against I'll be there. It bothers me on a level that I didn't even know I had that these asshats and their orange julious leader have made and make a mockery of our Constitution more and more each day.

Joinfortmill

(14,511 posts)
37. I completely agree. This election is our last stand for elective democracy....
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:06 PM
Feb 25

I'm an old gal. I have no plans to leave. I did have a plan in 2016, when everyone thought I was crazy. Turns out I wasn't. If it was my grandchild, and the monster wins (if we all vote he won't), I would send her somewhere safer, at least for the short term.

But, honestly, we're going to win against Trump, if he doesn't drop dead from his lifestyle before then. If Haley should become the candidate and win, I think our democracy will be saved for the moment. Long term, I'm not so certain. We need Joe to win and then he needs to clean up the rot that still remains in the DOJ and expand the SCOTUS.

Keep the faith. We're gonna win this and I'll tell you why, these stupid fucks pissed off almost every woman in the country. And they know it.

barbaraann

(9,168 posts)
38. Not just for gay people. Check out what life is like for straight women under the Houthis.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:08 PM
Feb 25
https://www.mena-researchcenter.org/to-intimidate-yemeni-women-al-batoul-brigade-to-supervise-womens-dress-code/

The armed women in that picture are used by the Houthi men to enforce their women's dress code.

JoseBalow

(2,602 posts)
56. I don't care what your team colors are, or what it says on it
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:02 PM
Feb 25

When I see a red ball cap, I see a fascist.

Alliepoo

(2,237 posts)
39. I don't think you're being paranoid- you're being
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:15 PM
Feb 25

Realistic. I fear for my grands as well. I’m with you in being willing to fight. I am a pacifist by nature-I don’t even kill bugs. I would, however, fight to my death to protect my loved ones. Although it is distasteful I believe it’s time to meet maga in the gutter and fight like our lives and country depend on it. They live and thrive there in that gutter and they are destroying our country from that gutter. The high road isn’t working because you have to meet the enemy where they are. The gutter isn’t who we are but I’m thinking we must hold our noses and fight every bit as dirty as they do. We don’t have to stay in the gutter after it’s said and done but it will be a warning to those future magats that we are willing to do what it takes to keep our democracy.

panfluteman

(2,075 posts)
41. Yeah - I'm Getting Paranoid - and Restless, Too!
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:24 PM
Feb 25

I've been hopping back and forth across the US / Mexico border so frequently it would almost make your head spin! And always, in the back of my mind, the approaching presidential election looms ever larger and larger, knowing that it might be the end of American democracy as we know it. What can I do, except vote? That, and school all those dumb and blind MAGAts through my comments on YouTube - here, it's kind of like preaching to the choir.

Trump is a pathological liar, but when he tells the American nation what he wants to do with their democracy, or against it, his words must be taken very, very seriously. This is no place for jokes or light hearted banter - even though many MAGAts may think that Trump is just joking in his talk about being a dictator only on day one. They think they can trust the guy with our democracy, when nothing could be further from the truth - they can't even begin to realize the danger that they, and our whole nation, are in. They think they know the guy just from that idiotic reality TV show that he starred in, and they also think that he is some kind of business genius who can put America on a better and more prosperous course - here again, nothing could be further from the truth.

To tell you the truth, as the first Trump administration was ending, I had wild fantasies about how the law enforcement authorities would arrest Trump ad haul hi off to jail just as he left the White House - wouldn't that have been grand? Now, as we are in primary season and Benedict Donald - I really like your nickname for him - is still not behind bars, I realize that there's absolutely no other way to see this situation except as a colossal failure of our justice system. Let me tell ya - Biden needed to pick the toughest, most aggressive, no nonsense career prosecutor he could find to deal with one of the most egregious and incorrigible criminals in our nation's history. Picking old megawimp, finger up to th political wind Merrick Garland to administer justice to Benedict Donald has been one of the greatest failures of the Biden administration. And guess what? If there's one thing the average American voter can't stand, it's a wimp. It seems like they don't have the requisite intelligence to figure anything else out, but they do hate wimps, or any perceived sign of weakness. I'm afraid that, even in spite of Biden's many achievements and successes, the American voter won't appreciate him for any of that, and may just wind up voting for the other guy because of this greatest weakness and failure of the Biden administration.

Warpy

(111,456 posts)
46. His adoring fan club doesn't listen to what the asshole says
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:31 PM
Feb 25

they're listening for the delivery, listening for buzz words and slogans.

If they ever listened to him, they might have a few questions now and then.

They also barely remember how this country was meant to run. Civics class was boring. TFG with the bright lights , loud music, lots of cameras, and general hoopla from his advance team, is exciting.

But listen to the speech? Nope. That's not what they're there for.

TBF

(32,142 posts)
47. Agree - already got my daughter out of the country for college
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:32 PM
Feb 25

and hope she figures out a way to work somewhere else too. I'm still here fighting, but I don't think it will be a safe place for her if Trump is elected.

LiberalFighter

(51,349 posts)
48. There may be a time we will need to really fight back.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:37 PM
Feb 25

Before we get trapped in a corner.

He needs to be taken down hard along with all of his supporters.

Biden needs to win in November. We need good control of both chambers. And we need to expand the Supreme Court to 13 seats. That is one for each district.

When Merrick Garland steps down replace him with someone that will if needed go after Thomas, Alito, and Roberts.

wendyb-NC

(3,344 posts)
49. I'm with you on that, 100%
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:39 PM
Feb 25

My oldest grandchild is Trans. "Republicons", in many state legislatures are passing bills to discriminate against them. The have made laws, limiting the rights of trans to be who the are. They're trying to blow off their legitimacy as just a fad or a behavior or mental health issue.

The horrifying story of Nex Benedict, a non binary student in Oklahoma, who was attacked and beaten, by 3 students, and died a day later.

I was both heartbroken for the child and their loved ones. I was also terrified, with my grandchild headed off to college in the Fall

The GOPs obsession with bathroom bills, anti-trans legislation, that these legislators have an obsession about passing, marginalizing the needs of LGBTQ+, young people who are minors. They are like the orange abomination, stoking grievance over DEI, scapegoating, calling for bloody violence, making up their lie about liberals, projecting his sordid paranoid lies on to Democrats.

Republicons are unamerican and needed to be voted out of office, at the very least. Maybe even sued and or put in jail for stalking our children and grandchildren.

grumpyduck

(6,290 posts)
53. So many great posts here,
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:50 PM
Feb 25

and we all agree on the same thing: this has to stop. And WE need to make it happen.

I'm with you 1000 per cent, and that's not a typo.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
54. I'm very encourged by the posts I see here,
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 02:54 PM
Feb 25

although I never once doubted the commitment of all DU members to defeat this fascism before it's too late.

bluescribbler

(2,130 posts)
55. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you,
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:01 PM
Feb 25

For too many of our fellow Americans, a little paranoia is a healthy thing.

DownriverDem

(6,236 posts)
58. Sadly
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:15 PM
Feb 25

many white voters do not want to accept who we are which is diverse. They vote repub because they agree with the hate spoken by the MAGA repubs. The majority of women and enlightened men will not vote for trump. Also my hope is with GenZ who hates trump and the MAGA repubs.

SpankMe

(2,974 posts)
64. I saw this when it aired
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:31 PM
Feb 25

Truly shocking and symptomatic of an air-tight cult. This is the mentality we're fighting against. I'm not hopeful about the future of America in many ways.

J_William_Ryan

(1,761 posts)
61. No, you're not being paranoid.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:25 PM
Feb 25

Your concern is perfectly appropriate.

And it’s not just Trump – regardless what happens this November, rightwing bigotry and hate will remain an ongoing threat to gay and transgender Americans.

Mr. Ected

(9,675 posts)
62. Beyond Trump, and beyond MAGA
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:26 PM
Feb 25

It most concerns me that, given a megaphone to voice their grievances, there are literally tens of millions of Americans that border on human scum and somehow we have to cope with all of them through eternity.

I'm not as paranoid as I am disillusioned.

electric_blue68

(15,026 posts)
65. Definitely valid. I hope I don't have to "fight in the streets" should fascist mayhem come to NYC...
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 03:55 PM
Feb 25

I'll be turning 71 soon, and the big side (my mom) of my family many have lived (and one still is, w her sister close behind) into their early-mid 90's. Even my dad w dementia made it to 90.
I've got a lot more art & crafting to do, plus enjoying my fam, friends, nature, and more. 👍

I lean towards pacifism, but I'm not a full pacifist.
I do believe you have the right to self defense.

No kids, but I want USA'rs and The World to live healthier, happier lives. And I do have wonderful cousins w their kids, and grandkids.
So putting a fascistic leader down IS self defense!

My first (hopefully only) "offense" will be doing waaaay more Phone GOTV; which I did some of in 2020. Since I've already done it- it'll be even easier this year.
(did GOTV in the past, too)

I got unlimited talk, text, and internet, baby! And I'm gonna weld it. ✊😉👍

Cha

(298,037 posts)
67. Aww... I have the same feelings about
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 04:16 PM
Feb 25

the Treasonous Monster from Hell and his GD Stupid Cult.

I'm older thtan he is But Whatever.. I want to outlive that Fucking Fascist Criminally Insane Putin's Puppet.

And, I want to see him Go Down in A Flaming Pile of Dumpster Fire in November and America Be Stronger in Our Democracy than ever





appleannie1

(5,078 posts)
68. One grandparent to another, AMEN.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 04:24 PM
Feb 25

I have a granddaughter, career military, married to another women and has two in vitro children, a grandson that is gay and an A sexual granddaughter. All are in jeopardy if the orange faker is elected.

DENVERPOPS

(8,893 posts)
69. I am right there, MCE
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 04:51 PM
Feb 25

100% percent with you MCE..........well said..................

I constantly ask people why is it that these Republicans Politicians and their Maggat Voters obviously don't care a whit about their children and grand children. Or do they just selfishly only care about themselves......Obviously the sentence..........

Lincoln once said:

"A Statesman cares about the future generations, a Politician only about the next election"

That sickening truth is upon us........big time........

You doing okay? Take care.........

Sorry, but this whole mess reminds me of a gallows humor joke from long ago:
Well, Mrs Lincoln, outside of that, how are you enjoying the Opera.........

In my old age, I could never have imagined anything like this descending on our Beloved Nation and our U.S. Constitution....not in my wildest imagination.........Until the fall of 1979, I believed that people were mostly good at heart. And I have been shouting what was happening from the rooftops ever since their "Installation" of Reagan to the presidency.......

I have stated that if I was a zillionaire, I would have mailed a copy of ANIMAL FARM to every mailing address in the nation......

lark

(23,193 posts)
73. I am with you in the fight against right wingers and fascists.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 07:21 PM
Feb 25

My daughter has never had kids, but that could change in the next few years and for the very first time ever, I'm not anxious to be a grandmother. I worry about the world my daughter is inheriting, I'd worry a lot more about a grandchild. I'm also be afraid for her health, as both sides of our families have bad histories with miscarriages amd that could be fatal in todays' dystopian verison of America.

pwb

(11,314 posts)
75. Trump is in his own little world of lies.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 07:39 PM
Feb 25

All he has left is fear so he preaches that. Everything is awful he says but remember only half of his base are listening. Democrats and Independents can't stand the guy.. We will win so big this fall pukes will be crying foul even in red states. Women will see to that. IMO.

madaboutharry

(40,245 posts)
79. Dear MarineCombatEngineer,
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:18 PM
Feb 25

First is all,

So many people have LGBTQ family members in their immediate family, myself included. We love these people and I will do everything in my power to keep my loved one safe and happy.

I say it all the time, I just don’t get why people can’t mind their own business. Why do they have a need to police other peoples’ private lives? Ii hurts my heart at a very deep level. I will never understand it.

JPPaverage

(513 posts)
85. I am a proud step parent of an Asian girl
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 08:17 AM
Feb 26

I am biologically not her father but i am her dad. And always will be. Now shes 15 years old, is a "girlie girl", in that she like to make sure her face, etc. are all perfect. She wants to go into health care or interior design. She has done track and field. She has a boyfriend. In other words, a typical American female teenager. If trump even thinks about deporting her or putting her in some sort of concentration camp, i may do something bad. Really bad.
I'm also a Midwesterner and in this part of the country, we know how to handle weapons. Take that for what its worth.

MarineCombatEngineer

(12,528 posts)
87. Thanks everyone for the replies.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 09:13 AM
Feb 26

I'm very, very encouraged that we'll defeat this lunatic and his MAGAt followers.
Everyone, have a great week.

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