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Yes, the pace of things is frustrating.
Yes, there are issues with Smirnov.
But if Garland is to be hated, then it would be consistent to hate Fani Willis. Garland was investigating, then appointed Smith, who charged tRump. Only after that Willis charged tRump. She did not require Smith to charge first; it just happened in that sequence.
Shouldn't haters be hating on Alvin Bragg? He charged first only by a few months, but that investigation started at least two years before Garland and Willis.
But if Garland is to be hated for being "slow", does that mean Willis was sleeping until waking up late in the game? No. There are things we wish had been done more quickly and things to dislike about Garland, but let's be consistent and steer a realistic course.
Let's realize that if Willis took her time to get it right, it also took Garland / Smith time to get their cases right.
Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)Its time to shit or get off the pot.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)They already shat and are off the pot.
Perhaps the hate should be directed against Loose Cannon. But do you want to hate also Judge Chutkan who is moving her case along quickly?
Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)when?
come on bro - this is a joke of a response to a a coup attempt. We have a Federalist Society member as AG. Maybe that explains the lack of response.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)We are not a banana republic where wholesale executions follow coup attempts.
If the time-honored checks and balances and protections of our justice system are unacceptable, let's be honest and start advocating extra-judiciary methods of dealing with coup attempts instead of bashing DOJ official for admirably sticking to the letter and the spirit of the rules they are bound by, as per the laws that were passed by our legislators on out behalf, in the most difficult of circumstances.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)and a banana Republic?
I guess I there will be bananas today then if the other choice is a pass.
Yes, the leaders as well as the rabble needed to be locked up to face trial and not for parading and such crap but for insurrection rather than being free to still pose the same threat now years later.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)The kind of protecting of the Republic you are talking about requires an enforcement regime that our system of justice does not possess. A typical banana republic does.
So what's your preference, empower DOJ with banana republic rules of conduct or blame DOJ for not applying banana republic rules of conduct? The former insures the immediate banana-republic-ization of America, and the latter does squat to protect, as you perceive it, the Republic.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)If I did I'm sorry it came across as such.
I am saying they should actually perform their function and prosecute the criminals and actual crime.
I grant that I don't enjoy parades so I may be jaded but I have attended them and seen more. I am missing the resemblance even through a negative lens on the events.
I maintain there is space well within the scope of the law for more determination with a more firm approach and if there isn't I am left more than a hair befuddled at prosecutorial fervor and/or lack of accountability for it over time.
Let's cut the bullshit, if these perpetrators were leftist or for sure black the whole enforcement and prosecution situation would be hair on fire and harder than diamond and it would take a hell of an argument for me to even begin to buy otherwise.
Sorry man, way too passive, political, and deferential to the right.
He was stifling anything above the rube/"enlisted officer" levels until Chump was so brazen and ridiculously defiant with the records that he ran out of options or there would be nothing out of the DOJ.
A black mob trying to sack the Capital would be too dead for court. Period.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Conjecture replacing facts and reason.
"they should actually perform their function and prosecute the criminals and actual crime"
-They actually do. Apparently, not to the extent you would like, but that is, by definition, a subjective judgement, which is not founded in fact.
"I maintain there is space well within the scope of the law for more determination with a more firm approach and if there isn't I am left more than a hair befuddled at prosecutorial fervor and/or lack of accountability"
- The scope may be more limited than you perceive. I only glanced at the volumes of rules and regulations governing DOJ, and they areway more extensive than I could imagine. There is a purpose to it: the powers DOJ possesses are immense and easy to abuse.This is why there are strict limits to what DOJ may or may not do, and the circumstances in whichaction is required or forbidden. Determination and firm approach are, again, subjective measures, while the rules and regulations are not.
"if these perpetrators were leftist or for sure black the whole enforcement and prosecution situation would be hair on fire and harder than diamond "
- Substitute "leftist" for "patriot" (an euphemism for "trumpist" and ""black" for "true American" (an euphemism for "bigot" , and this is the criticism of DOJ I hear from the right, nearly word for word. Without denying the institutional racism present in all strata of US government, this too is conjecture and, intentionally, hyperbole. I can easily argue, as subjectively as you do, that what you describe is, due to the extensive scope of the rules that govern it, less likely to occur at DOJ and FBI than it is, for instance, in Congress.
"Sorry man, way too passive, political, and deferential to the right."
-See above. As the old adage goes, if you offend everyone equally, you must be diong something right. Note that, like your statement, this is not an argument. The argument is in the OP.
He was stifling anything above the rube/"enlisted officer" levels until Chump was so brazen and ridiculously defiant with the records that he ran out of options or there would be nothing out of the DOJ."
- This is downright factually false, and again, doesn't pretend to be anything but speculation on your part.
"A black mob trying to sack the Capital would be too dead for court. Period."
-Probably the truest statement in your post. The National Guard would have been called in immediately. But DOJ is not in charge of National Guard, or the Capitol Police, for that matter. As a matter of fact, Garland wasn't even AG at the time. For the record and as a matter of fact rather than conjecture, of the Jan 6 crowd estimated to be around 2500, more than half had been arrested on Garland's tenure.
republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Does it relate to anything I posted, or is this just a random reference to Jerry Nadler's request?
brush
(53,871 posts)But considering Garland, somehow his slowness always seems to favors republicans. It's going on 4 years and there is suspicion that some coup participants are still serving in congress, trump is still running around delaying, delaying, delaying, hoping his appointed judges/justices go along with the obvious plan to allow motion after motion after motion to run out the clock on bringing the 91 felony indictments to trial until after the election, or so close to the election that he can keep yelling that he's a victim of a witch hunt.
And so far Judge loose Cannon and the SCOTUS 6 are complying. SCOTUS for some reason is delaying ruling on the couldn't-be-more-goddam-obvious DC Circuit Court's decision that no one is above the law, even a president, is not immune from breaking the law.
Garland's first order of business on taking office should've been starting an investigation on not just the foot soldiers on J6, but also the planners of the attempt to overthrow the government of the United States...it's so obvious it should've been the very first job of the Attorney General to attend to.
But no, trump and others were running around non-indicted for a couple of years. If Garland had started investigating the attempt to overthrow the government of the United States immediately on taking office we would not be faced with whether trump can run-out-the-clock before the election.
Come on, if not for the House J6 Select Committee putting the DOJ, with way more investigative resources to shame, we wouldn't be here watching the clock tick down like in a football game.
trump should've already been tried, most likely convicted, a year ago. I mean it took how long, how many attempts in the slam-dunk MAL docs case to get him to return just the documents he stole...and he's still got some (DOJ's FBI agents missed finding a secret room with even more stolen, and still retained, hidden docs).
But no, Garland waited way too long to appoint Special Counsel Smith (doing a great job btw), when no special counsel was needed. He, the Attorney General should've taken direct charge of the investigation of the attempt to overthrow the government of the United States. He himself, the AG, that's his job.
But no, his hesitance, timidity, or whatever you call it, some may see it as guile even, him being a Federalist Society recommendation, he went the special counsel route for others to do his job. Hell he even appointed a republican-appointed special counsel, Hur, to go after Biden's docs case. It took years and produced a bang-up, near-400-page, hit job report on Biden which Garland read and released without editing out the blatant HIT JOB comments on "the old, slow, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory not fit to be president." The exoneration of Biden was some 200 pages deep into the report, where as the exoneration of former VP Pence for his similar docs case, took one page and much less time to exonerate Pence with no hit job commentary.
Did I mention Garland is a Federalist Society recommendation, the outfit that generates a list of all the extreme, right wing judges/justices that republican presidents appoint to courts from, including Judge Cannon and the SCOTUS 6 btw?
Is Garland a republican party mole whose, I'll be kind, DELIBERATE moves take much time and seem to always favor the republican party, and trump?
It's too late now but IMO after Biden wins the election, Garland should immediately be thanked for his services and shown the door before he can do more damage.
I still can't believe he released that Hur report without editing out the hit job stuff. Talk about a passive-aggressive stabbing of Biden in the back...
live love laugh
(13,137 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,428 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Care to explain how anyone at DOJ has acted in any way that undermines either our democracy or the rule of law?
republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)Charles McGonigal, once special agent in charge of counterintelligence at the FBIs New York office, admitted that he took money from Putin crony Oleg Deripaska.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/fbi-agent-mcgonigal-pleads-guilty-russian-oligarch-rcna100073
Believe he did work at the DOJ.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)The due process of law that brought about charges against McGonigal, who was investigated by the FBI, indicted by DOJ, and found guilty by the courts of law, undermines squat. It affirms our democracy and the rule of law a full 100%.
republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)convicted ?
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Hint: Did he succeed in undermining our democracy?
Any light bulbs above your head yet? No?
Ok, second hint: Who prevented him from succeeding in undermining our democracy?
Any lightbulbs yet? No?
Ok, last hint: Look at your post above. The answer is right there, staring at you: just find the cause and the effect parts in your question and arrange them in their proper sequence.
Got it yet? No?... Oh, I give up!
Here's the answer: he attempted to undermine our democracy, and he failed miserably. And he failed BECAUSE he was investigated and arrested. His failure affirms the strength of our democracy and the rule of law, thanks to FBI, DOJ and the courts acting in concert, as intended.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)ignored the ones at the top who were in on it. . The ones who are still in power and have the ability to do it again. We know some of trumps people have flipped on him, we know phones, texts and messages have been turned over. We know which people in Congress were in on it with him. Where are the charges against those people? The Justice Department has more than 40 separate component organizations and more than 115,000 employees. You want to tell me they can get the people who openly bragged that they were in on J6 but they don't have the ability to go after a few Congress people?
Maybe I was wrong, maybe he is hated. Rightfully so. He is fucking protecting the people who tried and will probably succeed next time to destroy our Democracy. Hell after typing that I'm thinking it would be easy hate him. He should be fucking fired.
comradebillyboy
(10,175 posts)Tribetime
(4,710 posts)MOMFUDSKI
(5,657 posts)Garland after all the foot-dragging.
live love laugh
(13,137 posts)The wheels of justice really do turn slowly.
Think. Again.
(8,422 posts)gab13by13
(21,405 posts)Most of what I post about Garland comes from reliable sources.
There is no debate about Garland waiting too long to investigate Trump, I got that information from the J6 lead investigator Tim Heaphy and from every member of the J6 committee.
Fani Willis opened up her investigation into Trump on March 16, 2021.
What would it look like right now, today, had not the J6 committee started investigating Trump?
What would it look like if Cassidy Hutchinson had not shamed Merrick Garland into opening up his investigation of Trump?
Why hadn't Garland already talked to Cassidy? The J6 committee was way ahead of DOJ and that usually never happens.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)edhopper
(33,616 posts)A year and a half later! Not in April or May or June of 2021, when he should have started the Trump investigation, But November of 2022. Saying Garland did not do his job is not hate, it's fact.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)You don't just appoint a Special Counsel instantly because there seems to be evidence (strong or not) and you think you can get solid evidence if you use a Special Counsel as a baseball bat.
edhopper
(33,616 posts)sing your song somewhere else.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)edhopper
(33,616 posts)sing your song somewhere else.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-robert-hur-special-counsel-biden-documents-investigation/
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)Hur was appointed after there already was a Special Counsel for tRump documents, so it was an unusual situation.
Further, there was solid evidence at that point in the Biden documents, because of course Biden provided the solid evidence.
But hey, it's easier to call for me to be censored than to deal with facts.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,657 posts)And you clearly dont understand the role, function and justification for appointing a special counsel.
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)to investigate Democrats. Shouldn't a crime be involved?
Fiendish Thingy
(15,657 posts)You dont need proof of a crime to investigate , you need probable cause/reasonable suspicion.
You need proof of a crime to indict. (At least enough proof to convince a grand jury)
If an investigation fails to turn up evidence of a crime, and does not seek an indictment, thats not a failure (assuming everyone did their job properly), its a complete, closed investigation.
Happens all the time, outside of media scrutiny,
Nobody keeps a tally of closed investigations as failures except, apparently, you.
republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)Merrick Garland Weighed Search of Trumps Mar-a-Lago for Weeks
Attorney general took his signature deliberative approach to the move; Justice Department asks judge not to unseal affidavit that provided basis for search
https://www.wsj.com/articles/merrick-garland-weighed-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago-for-weeks-11660601292
getagrip_already
(14,838 posts)The various prosecutions have different timeliness for different reasons. You can't draw connections between them.
As for garland, there is simply no excusing his lack of prosecutions. Even white collar crime prosecutions are at the lowest point they've been in decades, save covid. Lower even than tfg.
He hasn't pursued any cases not directly involved with attacking the capitol, or referred by congress for contempt - and then only at 50%.
He hasn't even removed tfg's inspector General who is actively protecting doj criminals from prosecution.
He is acting like tfgs ag. Not bidens. If he had it to do over, I doubt he would have appointed Jack Smith. I'm sure he sees that as a huge mistake.
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)have already complained to Garland about the release of the Hur report.
Ocelot II
(115,858 posts)Garland took too long! (Whack!)
Garland took too long! (Whack!)
Garland took too long! (Whack!)
Garland took too long! (Whack!)
Garland took too long! (Whack!)
There are posts every day from a few who persist in pummeling that equine corpse; there can't be much left of it by now but apparently they haven't noticed. By the way, did you know that Garland took too long? (Whack!) Maybe, maybe not. But that dead horse will remain dead no matter how enthusiastically it is beaten, and the legal process at it exists currently will not accelerate by a nanosecond for all that effort. The beaters of said dead horse might want to focus their energy on actually understanding the process, although all attempts to explain it so far have been drowned out by that whacking sound.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,657 posts)until AFTER the election.
Ocelot II
(115,858 posts)gab13by13
(21,405 posts)when investigating witnesses, knew whether or not DOJ had talked to them. Tim Heaphy and the rest of the J6 committee stated that DOJ waited too long to investigate Trump, those are not my words. Cassidy Hutchinson shamed DOJ into action, without the J6 committee I dread where we would be at today in holding Trump accountable.
Yikes, that dead horse just kicked again.
Ocelot II
(115,858 posts)Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)you are literally on a message board complaining about basic message board behavior
republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)Or will it get worst and forgotten because there was no interest ?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Complaining about it sure as fuck doesn't hurt.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)which doesn't get us beyond the narrative favored by a certain faction of DU. Doesn't make this predetermined narrative any more compelling.
Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)to quote bogie in the classic flick
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Which begs a question: why is it still going on without any reasonable justification for it to keep going? Months of beating a dead horse, and not a single rational explanation for this obsession.
It's tiresome, and the absence of any rhyme or reason for it frustrates me. I believe the same is true for the OP. But I agree, the OP's desperate appeal to facts in defense of soundness of judgement is likely to fall on deaf ears.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)But sticking to facts may indeed be perceived as words of wisdom to those who abandon facts in favor of baseless judgements.
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)Just like with conspiracy theories, it's pretty easy to justify erroneous conclusions when one ignores all evidence that pokes holes in those conclusions. Some posters have even claimed that Garland is intentionally "destroying democracy", ignoring that Jack Smith might be one of the only people capable of saving it, outside of the voters in November, and ignoring that hundreds of the people who were trying to interfere with democracy have been charged and convicted. Blame for everything; credit for nothing.
It's kind of our version of the big lie. Repeat stuff often enough and someone might be convinced. The difference, of course, is that our version doesn't really accomplish anything other than discouraging people (and making us look a bit ignorant), while the right's version is destroying institutions.
CrispyQ
(36,518 posts)Boo hiss to this thread.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)Please reread the first two sentences of the Original Post. It is possible to have complaints as I do against Garland without being an out-and-out hater. There are many degrees of consternation, frustration, criticism, and disdain between neutral and all-in hater.
Where do you fit on that spectrum? You're not an all-or-nothing black-or-white kind of person, right?
CrispyQ
(36,518 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)... there are degrees of things, gradations, shades of gray, orthogonal dimensions, multiple aspects. Reread the first two sentences of the OP.
But if it is as simple as you seem to write, have at it.
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)who starts out with a fact that isn't a fact. It is safe to say that Garland waited at least a year and a half before investigating Trump and that is backed up by expert witnesses.
Michigan AG Dana Nessel made a criminal referral to her US Marshall to investigate Michigan's fake electors. She waited 1 year and when DOJ did nothing she opened up the investigation herself. That is why Michigan is prosecuting its fake electors because of DOJ inaction. When Jack Smith took over he subpoenaed information from Michigan.
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)You have been presented with the facts of the Trump investigation time and again, and again, and again. The facts that show DOJ investigating Trump even before Garland was appointed, and continuing non-stop after his appointment.
Now, tell me again how hard it is to debate with anyone who starts out with a fact that isn't a fact. And how hard do you think it is to debate with someone who keeps referring to facts that aren't facts?
pwb
(11,291 posts)They do.
Think. Again.
(8,422 posts)...we're supposed to ignore every other move garland has made that resulted in benefitting the gop, got it!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)Please re-read the first two sentences of the Original Post.
Yes, there are issues.
No, it is not binary yes/no 0/1.
Think. Again.
(8,422 posts)....is he a non-partisan AG? No.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)As Einstein said, things should be as simple as possible but no simpler.
Yes/no partisanship is obviously too simple. Perhaps you feel the Squad are not Democratic because they do not support Biden all-in on every issue? That would be a similar binary judgment and just as simplistically bogus.
Think. Again.
(8,422 posts)....not supporting all-in on every issue and actively working against are 2 very different things.
malaise
(269,174 posts)Rec
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)What does that mean? Why a special counsel when a crime wasn't committed? In hindsight it sure looks to me like a sc wasn't warranted, just like a sc wasn't warranted for Mike Pence having classified documents, even though Pence didn't turn in all of his documents, the FBI found another one in his house.
onenote
(42,767 posts)Sometimes they conclude there was and sometimes they conclude there wasn't.
And a Special Counsel was appointed in the Pence situation because the conflict of interest issue wasn't present as it was where the president of the United States, and a declared candidate for re-election, is the subject of the investigation.
Is this really that hard to understand?
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)How many other AG's have used this many special counsels?
Beastly Boy
(9,436 posts)Isn't it the whole purpose of any investigation to determine whether or not a crime was committed? Since when does a mere suggestion that the crime wasn't committed is a legitimate excuse to criticize an investigation that determined that the crime wasn't committed?
claudette
(3,598 posts)Garland that I can tell. Disappointed in? Frustrated with? Absolutely
BeyondGeography
(39,380 posts)One has the full resources of the US DOJ to play with, the other is a county DA.
One is a white man, the other a black woman. For relevance, when was the last time a white male US AG was hauled before a judge to explain key dates of his love life and how he might have benefitted financially from it before a case could proceed?
One gets roasted on Twitter, the other receives death threats.
One has a house that has never been vandalized by poitical opponents, the other has had racial epithets spray painted on it.
One is subject to impeachment, something he need not worry about. The other, because she was elected along with a number of other black DAs, inspired a special recall law that makes her relatively easy to fire if she gets out over her skis. And partisan Republicans who control the GA state legislature get to define what that means.
I dont hate Merrick Garland. Hes a good man whos overly cautious. He also doesnt have a fraction of the political courage of Fani Willis. Imagine mild-mannered Merrick in her shoes as a county DA sticking his neck out and doing what she has done. I cant.
gab13by13
(21,405 posts)I would never attend a Klan rally,
I would never attend a Federalist Society event.
Why did Merrick Garland monitor 11 Federalist Society events?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)Also, "overly cautious" hits the mark. And Fani Willis is subject to (re)election, so yeah, political courage as well as physical courage.
However, I'm incredulous that Garland hasn't received death threats.
Garland is subject to impeachment, like the Republicant children did with Mayorkis, also a cabinet secretary.
Text of H.Res. 743 (117th): Impeaching Merrick Brian Garland, Attorney ...
Impeaching Merrick Brian Garland, Attorney General of the United States, for high crimes and misdemeanors. That Merrick Brian Garland, Attorney General, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors and that the following Articles of Impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate:
GOP debates impeaching Merrick Garland after McCarthy surprise
Jul 18, 2023House Republicans are debating whether to focus impeachment efforts on Attorney General Merrick Garland after Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) suggested an inquiry against him, taking some...
BeyondGeography
(39,380 posts)So point taken. But it would just die in the Senate whereas GAs law leaves DAs much more exposed IMO. Kemp has already signaled that he wouldnt support the removal of Willis (this was prior to NathanGate or whatever you want to call it), which basically tells us she needs to avoid doing anything to get on his bad side if she wants to keep her job. Not to mention the circus she was just exposed to, which could still result in her removal though I find it highly unlikely (fingers crossed).
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)flying_wahini
(6,651 posts)Incorrect in your beliefs that Garland is working as fast as he can.
Yes, some things take time, but you have to admit his timing is slow. Is he really taking the time to get it right? Right for who? or just the old stalling techniques?
The J6 panel investigation things started over a year and a half later. Then he acted.
I think Garland, in order to appear non biased has bent over backwards to give the GOP ample time to stall until after the election. So in that part he DID succeed. Either you want to prosecute or you dont.
Remember Garland is a federalist. He has kicked the can down the road, and now here we are.
Nothing has been resolved just like the Meuller report. Nello zippo.
Still in limbo. My fear is that it this foot dragging will cost us bigly.
I hope you are correct Bernardo. I really do. I want you to be but its hard sometimes with the lack of movement. Hard to tell if Garland is dead or sleeping at this point. The old too little/too late saying comes to mind.
Thank God for Jack Smith.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)I did NOT say Garland was working as fast as he can.
Please reread the first sentence of the Original Post.
flying_wahini
(6,651 posts)It sounded like youre are just making excuses for Garland to take his time.
We dont have much time left.
How long do you think this should take?
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,044 posts)It is extremely important that the main trials against tRump (2 Smith, 1 Willis) take place before the election. But it is not absolutely necessary.
Judge Chutkan gets it, as does the DC Appeals Court. Loose Cannon also gets it, but in her case she believes it is best to have her case delayed until after the election and believes that it is important.
Keeping tRump on his losing streak (lost 4 popular votes: 2016, 2018, 2020, pinked 2022) is crucial for democracy.
But even if the verdicts come after the election, they are also crucial. If tRump is convicted, then by A14s3 he is forbidden from taking the office. Which VP gets selected by the courts?
It seems that Smirnov may have shoes to drop on top of tRump.
Ultimately history is already not being kind to loser tRump: rated dead last. The hole he is in will only get deeper.
ananda
(28,876 posts)which causes him to make wrong decisions.
He needs to go.
MorbidButterflyTat
(1,855 posts)Unless someone invents a time machine to go back and change everything, this is now.
I don't understand people who don't comprehend that rushing a trial is a bad idea. He could be acquitted! Imagine the victory lap MAGAts would take if prosecutors weren't prepared, and he skated in September or October. It's not like prosecuting a former "president" happens every day.
Also...this rot is deep, and international. It absolutely includes Putin and who knows who else. Maria Butina happily sacrificed herself to push the "Russian second amendment" to Goober Goopers while laundering rubles through them and possibly -gag- sexing them. The world has seen how stupid MAGAts are. They would absolutely believe Russia has a "second amendment," especially with the cheap Russian honey pot cozying up to them.
That infamous photo taken by Russian (not any American) media five seconds after the oozing sore swore to defend the constitution, where he yuks it up with the other two fat ugly Russians in the Oval Office, for some reason Butina has been cropped out of it. She was there, to the right of them. She's another link nobody talks about anymore, one of many.
When she was shipped off to Russia, she was suddenly a "journalist" and harassed Navalny in his jail cell. I have not forgotten these things! The Mueller prosecutors didn't investigate for months or years to just shrug everything off, despite vocal cynics, paid cable pundits, and arrogant know-it-alls.
Russia has been laundering and bribing these traitors for years, and there's a lot of them THAT WE KNOW OF.
I just can't anymore with this "Garland is weak and we're gonna lose our democracy because of him not doing anything, blah blah, low hanging fruit, not doing it my way...etc." Just NO.
Scrivener7
(51,014 posts)republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)United States nuclear programs; potential vulnerabilities of the United States and its allies to military attack; and plans for possible retaliation in response to a foreign attack.
Prosecutors presented evidence that Mr. Trump shared a highly sensitive plan of attack against Iran to visitors at his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. in July 2021 and was recorded on tape describing the material as highly confidential and secret, while it admitting it had not been declassified. In another incident in September 2021, he shared a top secret military map with a staff member at his political action committee who did not have a security clearance.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/06/09/us/trump-indictment-documents-news
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217986359
National security damage assessment from justsecurity.org
https://www.justsecurity.org/86887/national-security-implications-of-trumps-indictment-a-damage-assessment/
... "Because of the remarkably sensitive nature of the documents the former president retained, and the shockingly insecure locations where they were held and transported (in a ballroom, a bathroom and shower, an office space, his bedroom, and a storage room), there are also potentially grave implications for U.S. national security. It is those national security implications, as evidenced in particular by the 31 counts lodged under the Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793(e)), which we briefly lay out here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217990566
FBI resisted opening probe into Trump's role in Jan. 6 for more than a year
Hours after he was sworn in as attorney general, Merrick Garland and his deputies gathered in a wood-paneled conference room in the Justice Department for a private briefing on the investigation he had promised to make his highest priority: bringing to justice those responsible for the attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
https://wapo.st/3JkVCbu
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2023/06/19/fbi-resisted-opening-probe-into-trumps-role-jan-6-more-than-year/
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143089688
See how the DOJ slow-walked and hesitated investigating Trump's coup: Melber breakdown - The Beat
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017838512
Its not just Mar-a-Lago: Trump charges highlight his New Jersey life
Two of the most vivid scenes in the former presidents indictment take place at his Bedminster golf club, which has not been searched by the FBI
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/06/27/its-not-just-mar-a-lago-trump-charges-highlight-his-new-jersey-life/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)We want it and we want it now!
republianmushroom
(13,687 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)The Garland love affair born of Obama trying to sneak anyone across the plate the Republicans would stomach is ridiculous.
A hail mary has been transformed into some icon or something.
He is weak, mealymouthed, deferential to cons, and politically motivated and demotivated at best.
jalan48
(13,886 posts)Hassler
(3,390 posts)Hatchet job on Biden and his state of mind.
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)If we don't say anything, nothing is done. Not a single gop traitor from congress has been investigated or held accountable. And what about the way women are being treated all across the south? And voters? And the Hur debacle? The list goes on and on. He is incompetent. He probably would have done better on the Supreme Court than he's doing as AG.