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Celerity

(43,734 posts)
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 07:54 AM Feb 2024

Charles Pierce: Merrick Garland Needs to Be Thanked For His Service and Shown the Door

He is not equipped to use all the tools god gave the Department of Justice to thwart the genuine threat to the Republic that is El Caudillo del Mar-A-Lago, and the dangerous political climate he has created.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a46709640/merrick-garland-fbi-failure/



I have come to the sad conclusion that, like Brian Wilson, Attorney General Merrick Garland just wasn't made for these times, and, like Tom Hagen, he's just not a wartime consigliere. I hung in there longer than most people I know. But, this week, the case against him got overwhelming. The man needs to be thanked for his service and then shown the door.

He is not equipped to use all the tools god gave the Department of Justice to thwart the genuine threat to the Republic that is El Caudillo del Mar-A-Lago, and the dangerous political climate he has created. The former president* should have been charged federally with insurrection literally years ago. (Hell, during Thursday's oral arguments in the Supreme Court concerning the former president*'s eligibility under the 14th Amendment, even Justice Brett Kavanaugh wondered why he hadn't been so charged, and Kavanaugh used to work for Ken Starr, if we're talking about using all the DOJ's tools at your disposal.) The DOJ should have gone hammer-and-tongs after all the members of Congress who had the slightest connection with the insurrection. Somebody higher than the bear spray crowd should have been arrested and held until trial. Some of the expensive loafers should have been confiscated during the booking process rather than all those duckboots.

As diligent as Jack Smith has been, and god save the good work, he shouldn't have been necessary. This business didn't need a special counsel. It needed the Attorney General and the FBI right from jump. It should have been the very first item on Garland's plate when he walked in the door. And he's spent nearly four years faffing around until Republican congresscritters, some of whom had very curious connections to the events of that day, feel free to call the thugs and vandals, "political prisoners," and we've even come to arguing over whether or not the violence of that day constituted an "insurrection." Mother of god, the former president* is even money to be the next president, and the only real obstacle in his way seems to be whether or not his coronary arteries will do good service.

Thursday was the end for me. Appointing a Republican hack like Robert Hur to "investigate" the non-crimes of the president was bad enough, but then to allow Hur to pile on a political hit piece about the president's memory, thereby normalizing one of the former president*'s attack lines on DOJ stationery, is not admirably fair-minded, it's constitutionally suicidal. God save us from the fair-minded. They'll kill the country and wonder how they did it.

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Charles Pierce: Merrick Garland Needs to Be Thanked For His Service and Shown the Door (Original Post) Celerity Feb 2024 OP
Good day, Mr. Garland Blue Owl Feb 2024 #1
yeah, i agree. i havent been on the bash garland train, but that report.... mopinko Feb 2024 #2
The media will howl Demobrat Feb 2024 #4
Apparently, someone who roams the halls around the Oval Office has, for years, been pushing to,....... jaxexpat Feb 2024 #37
Hmm. I'm not sure if meant that as a sort of tongue in cheek? Or something you picked up by reporter? msfiddlestix Feb 2024 #81
I admit being one who was tired of all the waiting. oldsoftie Feb 2024 #69
It would have been uncivil, I suppose, to appoint an attack dog as AG at the beginning of Biden's term. Girard442 Feb 2024 #3
appearances et tu Feb 2024 #8
He wouldn't have even needed to be uncivil. ShazzieB Feb 2024 #46
Exactly LeftInTX Feb 2024 #63
+1 D23MIURG23 Feb 2024 #68
There was a fucking coup d'tat attempt. Sky Jewels Feb 2024 #59
Yes, perhaps someone willing to gather information and make decisions Magoo48 Feb 2024 #72
Coup d'tat, right? Or d'etat if u don't do accents... yorkster Feb 2024 #78
Yep. Welcome to club reality. The man is not up for the job in these boston bean Feb 2024 #5
I worry what Garland will pull Farmer-Rick Feb 2024 #51
"Thanked for his service and shown the door!" Pretty much says it all. PortTack Feb 2024 #6
I don't think so. He's a Federalist Soc. guy doing AllyCat Feb 2024 #14
Sorta like what I told my ex-husband on my MOMFUDSKI Feb 2024 #7
Classic line! Celerity Feb 2024 #99
Until now, I've been reluctant to criticize Garland because I'm not in his shoes and don't know what he faces. Mister Ed Feb 2024 #9
My thoughts exactly KS Toronado Feb 2024 #34
he sucks Skittles Feb 2024 #84
The AG role is very complicated Buckeyeblue Feb 2024 #10
Sure. Garland is several steps too far to the side of AllyCat Feb 2024 #15
Easiest thing in the world. First thing, be a president who does not violate the law. jaxexpat Feb 2024 #33
Agreed. yardwork Feb 2024 #36
Like Glenn Kirchner. rubbersole Feb 2024 #93
Biden doesn't need anyone to have his back Shermanator Feb 2024 #73
I'm done making excuses for Garland. What he has done is reprehensible and outrageous. Pretty much a hit job on Biden. RKP5637 Feb 2024 #11
Yes, there's no defense for the Hur fiasco. Joinfortmill Feb 2024 #12
After Joe wins, he needs to clear the Secret Service, the DOJ, the FBI and Capitol Police of all TFG sycophants. Too... machoneman Feb 2024 #17
there shd have been a blizzard of pink slips on day 1. mopinko Feb 2024 #22
Uh no, that would be wrong. Voltaire2 Feb 2024 #49
This. 👆 ShazzieB Feb 2024 #92
Hey, how are things in Fort Mill? I used to live there. Indian Land, to be precise. Goodheart Feb 2024 #18
I moved in 2022 to NH. Joinfortmill Feb 2024 #25
"Somebody higher than the bear spray crowd should have been arrested and held until trial." sop Feb 2024 #13
As soon as the carefully curated ironclad case Captain Zero Feb 2024 #32
its getting annoying everytime they track down some loser who was in the capitol for 29 seconds Blues Heron Feb 2024 #16
"God save us from the fair-minded. They'll kill the country and wonder how they did it." BeyondGeography Feb 2024 #19
Good assessment. I normally loathe her but she's right about this. yardwork Feb 2024 #39
The very first item on Garland's plate should have been to prosecute obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation Goodheart Feb 2024 #20
More importantly, Biden should have known MOMFUDSKI Feb 2024 #30
This was the last straw for me. mn9driver Feb 2024 #21
I Am Curious Who His Deputy Is, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2024 #23
Exactly. He holds office by that one, tenuous thread. Getting a new appointment through a fractious Senate. paleotn Feb 2024 #29
Acting A.G. Yep. If they're blocking progress, GO AROUND THEM! calimary Feb 2024 #116
Then maybe some pressure needs to be put on Garland, Sir. yardwork Feb 2024 #41
K&R spanone Feb 2024 #24
I agree with Charley. Liberal In Texas Feb 2024 #26
"It should have been the very first item on Garland's plate when he walked in the door. " Exactly! paleotn Feb 2024 #27
Where does this guy get off using exact phrases I was using in August 2022? Who am I, Rodney Dangerfield. jaxexpat Feb 2024 #28
As usual, NOBODY puts it better than Charlie Pierce. Paladin Feb 2024 #31
If Biden agrees with this article, then he should fire Garland Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #35
Bill Barr lied about the Mueller report gab13by13 Feb 2024 #53
And yet, if he spoke out, he would also be accused of being partisan, no? Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #56
Did Biden have a preview of Hur's Report before Garland Released it? I was wondering about that. msfiddlestix Feb 2024 #89
IIRC, Hur submitted it to Garland last Monday, and it was released to public on Thursday Fiendish Thingy Feb 2024 #90
I would normally find it really hard to wrap my head around Garland approving,except we've had three long years of msfiddlestix Feb 2024 #94
"El Caudillo del Mar-a-Lago". Nearly spit out my coffee. niyad Feb 2024 #38
Show some brass & dump this namby pamby Basic LA Feb 2024 #40
He should be fired but if Biden fired him the Republicans would then doc03 Feb 2024 #42
F!!!! the repugs they are going to say it anyway. How many times do folks out here have to say. Fight fire with napalm. usaf-vet Feb 2024 #60
Completely agree Celerity Feb 2024 #100
Very valid article, Garland handled political uncertainty 2021 very well, but times change bucolic_frolic Feb 2024 #43
At this point Biden should retain Garland oldmanlynn Feb 2024 #44
I was one of the people I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2024 #107
Not only... LPBBEAR Feb 2024 #45
"Not only...should Garland be gone ASAP, EVERY Republican in any government office should be removed" MichMan Feb 2024 #58
Not any LPBBEAR Feb 2024 #66
I feel the same I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2024 #109
Charles, as usual, is right bagimin Feb 2024 #47
My hope... Mike Nelson Feb 2024 #48
And the statute of limitations for being charged is ticking down ArkansasDemocrat1 Feb 2024 #61
Someone up thread asked about Garlands Deputy. What do we know at this point? msfiddlestix Feb 2024 #91
Garland is a glacially slow-moving doofus.... capechacon Feb 2024 #50
If he had wanted to preserve democracy first rather than cater to obstreperous GOP GreenWave Feb 2024 #52
Going on 3 years orthoclad Feb 2024 #54
Maybe McConnell was right Hartpi978 Feb 2024 #55
McConnell voted to confirm Garland as AG. jalan48 Feb 2024 #57
The poster meant Garland never getting a vote for SCOTUS. Celerity Feb 2024 #103
Thanks, my misreading of the post. jalan48 Feb 2024 #104
yw! Celerity Feb 2024 #108
I'm sorry, I think I misread your post. jalan48 Feb 2024 #106
I will post this again, how I see it. Garland, elite lawyer brain, good judge, piss poor A.G. and/or prosecutor. IMO republianmushroom Feb 2024 #62
It's funny how this post seems to have left the usual Garland/DoJ cheerleading squad speechless Silent3 Feb 2024 #64
Where are his apologists now? onecaliberal Feb 2024 #65
I haven't seen any serious mistakes by Garland gulliver Feb 2024 #67
No one is saying what you wrote Shermanator Feb 2024 #70
I beg your pardon. I just said it, and I'm someone. gulliver Feb 2024 #71
You wrote this: Shermanator Feb 2024 #74
Oh that... gulliver Feb 2024 #75
Your criticism includes President Biden's personal lawyer, gab13by13 Feb 2024 #76
I thought Biden's lawyer's points were fine. gulliver Feb 2024 #77
Nah, it's just a standard lie Doc Sportello Feb 2024 #110
yup Skittles Feb 2024 #83
Garland should go & spend more time with family. Nululu Feb 2024 #79
While I totally agree, it is too late. CanonRay Feb 2024 #80
Of course there is time. Better late than never. nt Celerity Feb 2024 #114
Him and Louis DeJoy ffr Feb 2024 #82
SCOTUS OK, AG not so much. Good Day Sir. Evolve Dammit Feb 2024 #85
Well, one thing the Hur slur report reveals... Trueblue Texan Feb 2024 #86
Garland has always been a huge Centrist SqueakyWheel.363 Feb 2024 #87
It'll look political if he does it now. Elessar Zappa Feb 2024 #88
Hur's comments were cruel and hateful by design dlk Feb 2024 #95
Nice to know some have come around to what I've concluded... B.See Feb 2024 #96
Garland is a bum Handler Feb 2024 #97
Garland brings the weak sauce. colorado_ufo Feb 2024 #98
Should have been out the door I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2024 #101
Damn right. redqueen Feb 2024 #102
Agreed. He's done a poor judge. The J6 planners, including trump, should've been tried by now. brush Feb 2024 #105
empty boxes ready for him to pack up his stuff BlueWaveNeverEnd Feb 2024 #111
Not after the election orangecrush Feb 2024 #112
He's just calling balls and strikes! dchill Feb 2024 #113
Thursday was the end for me too. The Unmitigated Gall Feb 2024 #115
they can't even be bothered to replace DeJoy quakerboy Feb 2024 #117
Merrick Garland is a member of the Federalist Society nbsmom Feb 2024 #118
IDK, Has anyone thought about there might be a memo? hydrolastic Feb 2024 #119
Bottom line, he failed to keep us safe ecstatic Feb 2024 #120

mopinko

(70,337 posts)
2. yeah, i agree. i havent been on the bash garland train, but that report....
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:25 AM
Feb 2024

hur shd b shown the door rfn. i know how it looks, and how the media will howl. it’s always a no-win sitch when a dem actually shows the spine we all howl for.
but biden shd fire them both, and do it now. there’s still time to get shit done before the election.

Demobrat

(9,035 posts)
4. The media will howl
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:47 AM
Feb 2024

for one 24 hour news cycle, two if it’s a slow news day. Biden needs to take care of business with no regard for those jackals.

jaxexpat

(6,876 posts)
37. Apparently, someone who roams the halls around the Oval Office has, for years, been pushing to,.......
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:27 AM
Feb 2024

"let Garland handle the justice part." That person needs to be silenced and their lectern handed over to common sense.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
81. Hmm. I'm not sure if meant that as a sort of tongue in cheek? Or something you picked up by reporter?
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 04:50 PM
Feb 2024

Idle curiosity, but I'm itching to know who that person is that's counseling/influencing Biden on garland's appointment, what his or her background is etc

oldsoftie

(12,665 posts)
69. I admit being one who was tired of all the waiting.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 02:57 PM
Feb 2024

But now it seems like now Garland HAS been the wrong man for the job. But the past is just that. Its time to move on. & mover FORWARD.

Girard442

(6,088 posts)
3. It would have been uncivil, I suppose, to appoint an attack dog as AG at the beginning of Biden's term.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:45 AM
Feb 2024

But being civil isn't always the virtue it's cracked up to be. Is it a good thing to graciously compliment the one who skillfully ties you to the stake just before the fire is lit?

ShazzieB

(16,636 posts)
46. He wouldn't have even needed to be uncivil.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 11:01 AM
Feb 2024

Just more assertive and purposeful, the way Jack Smith is. I think Garland has been too concerned about trying to appear nonpartisan for his own good, not to mention the good of the country.

LeftInTX

(25,763 posts)
63. Exactly
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 01:50 PM
Feb 2024

Heck, I don't really follow Democratic presidential political appointments because I really have no control over them (I get involved with local races and don't have time to read about every nook and cranny in DC). I trust the Democratic president. I know Garland is a moderate, cautious etc. Although some accuse of him of being a Republican, he has supported Biden with regards to voting rights, abortion rights, immigration and he's prosecuted Jan 6th, including the head of Oath Keepers. (If Trump wins, he will just pardon all those Jan 6th insurrectionists)

This Hur thing is a total disaster. I gotta wonder what's going on in Garland's head right now? I'm pretty sure he didn't want this kind of result. Obviously, he should have used better judgement when appointing a special counsel.

I assume that Garland knew him previously from the federal bench.

Hur was originally appointed by Bush, but stayed on through Obama's first term: From 2007 to 2014, he served as an Assistant United States Attorney in the District of Maryland, where he prosecuted gang violence, drug trafficking and firearms offenses, and white-collar crimes.

He was then appointed to the same position by Trump and was replaced by Biden in October 2021. I don't know if there were any "red flags". Since he was kept on with Obama and Biden didn't rush to get rid of him.

D23MIURG23

(2,851 posts)
68. +1
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 02:53 PM
Feb 2024

Our government is full of people who are fighting tooth and nail to destroy our constitution and a second set of people who want to preserve our constitution but think it would be 'improper' to fight back. It's maddening.

Sky Jewels

(7,198 posts)
59. There was a fucking coup d'tat attempt.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 01:32 PM
Feb 2024

We needed a strong AG to pursue justice to shore up our fragile democracy. Instead we got Milquetoast Merrick, who failed us miserably.

Magoo48

(4,722 posts)
72. Yes, perhaps someone willing to gather information and make decisions
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 03:19 PM
Feb 2024

in an informed and timely fashion. The dude’s simply biding time, dog paddling; there’s moss growing on his north side.

yorkster

(1,524 posts)
78. Coup d'tat, right? Or d'etat if u don't do accents...
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 04:28 PM
Feb 2024

Unless this is a newish thing like pronouncing vs. as verse, which I've almost given up on. I know, I know it started with the world of gaming..

Just realized can't do coup d'état in title - it gets auto-corrected. 😳
Will see self out. Mumbles apologies...

boston bean

(36,225 posts)
5. Yep. Welcome to club reality. The man is not up for the job in these
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:47 AM
Feb 2024

crucial times. Making him a part of the destruction of democracy.

PortTack

(32,820 posts)
6. "Thanked for his service and shown the door!" Pretty much says it all.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:52 AM
Feb 2024

With the WH being openly dissatisfied, Maybe he’ll get the hint and resign. One can hope

AllyCat

(16,260 posts)
14. I don't think so. He's a Federalist Soc. guy doing
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:18 AM
Feb 2024

Federalist Soc. work for them. I can’t imagine they would allow him to quit. He’s been too valuable to their cause to destroy America.

MOMFUDSKI

(5,779 posts)
7. Sorta like what I told my ex-husband on my
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:54 AM
Feb 2024

way out of the door: “You took advantage of my good nature”.

Mister Ed

(5,948 posts)
9. Until now, I've been reluctant to criticize Garland because I'm not in his shoes and don't know what he faces.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:55 AM
Feb 2024

However, I can not see any defense for his actions (and inactions).





KS Toronado

(17,450 posts)
34. My thoughts exactly
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:24 AM
Feb 2024

and his inactions on " members of Congress who had the slightest connection with the insurrection"

Time for him to go.

Buckeyeblue

(5,505 posts)
10. The AG role is very complicated
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:05 AM
Feb 2024

On one hand they are part of the president's cabinet, there to both advise the president and run the department of justice. But the department of justice is in place to enforce federal laws and prosecute them when they are violated. So your advisor can also be your prosecutor.

So as president how do you balance picking someone who will have your back but still have integrity?

AllyCat

(16,260 posts)
15. Sure. Garland is several steps too far to the side of
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:20 AM
Feb 2024

Burning the country to the ground with his hand-wringing.

jaxexpat

(6,876 posts)
33. Easiest thing in the world. First thing, be a president who does not violate the law.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:13 AM
Feb 2024

Then be sure to appoint someone to AG who will go after those who do, prioritizing the prosecution of the highest-ranking criminals.

How hard is that? How compromised, as a society, must we be that we believe democracy is really all that difficult. Running an empire, now that may be challenging. Isn't it time we stop electing our leaders based on their "empire running" qualifications and maybe more for their democracy protecting qualifications?

 

Shermanator

(45 posts)
73. Biden doesn't need anyone to have his back
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 03:26 PM
Feb 2024

He needs someone with integrity and someone who won't run away from a fight every time the republicans scream and shout. The Attorney General is not there to assuage the fears of the opposing party. Their only duty is to the Constitution and upholding the law.

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
11. I'm done making excuses for Garland. What he has done is reprehensible and outrageous. Pretty much a hit job on Biden.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:07 AM
Feb 2024

machoneman

(4,016 posts)
17. After Joe wins, he needs to clear the Secret Service, the DOJ, the FBI and Capitol Police of all TFG sycophants. Too...
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:22 AM
Feb 2024

many Trump loyalists infest our most important law enforcement positions. Even in losing, these people will continue to undermine the democratic processes of our nation. His iron grip on many of these disloyal public servants may result in even more mayhem, some obvious, some not. Let Joe hire folks who are beholden to our laws and the Constitution, rather than to a dictatorial narcissist who will work 24/7/365 to undermine our government and all Democrats and Independents.

Mark my words, even in defeat, we can expect worse days ahead from these miscreants unless we crack down on these insurrectionists.

mopinko

(70,337 posts)
22. there shd have been a blizzard of pink slips on day 1.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:36 AM
Feb 2024

every single person hired from 2017-2021 shd b fired.

Voltaire2

(13,257 posts)
49. Uh no, that would be wrong.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 11:58 AM
Feb 2024

Only political appointments can be dismissed by the executive. Everyone else is protected as a civil servant. It is TSF who intends to undo 140 years of civil service reform and ‘fire everyone’.

Goodheart

(5,351 posts)
18. Hey, how are things in Fort Mill? I used to live there. Indian Land, to be precise.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:24 AM
Feb 2024

I hear some man there keeps breaking world records for hot peppers.

sop

(10,293 posts)
13. "Somebody higher than the bear spray crowd should have been arrested and held until trial."
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:18 AM
Feb 2024

I'm still waiting patiently for that to happen.

Blues Heron

(5,951 posts)
16. its getting annoying everytime they track down some loser who was in the capitol for 29 seconds
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:22 AM
Feb 2024

but let the true architects and planners roam free.

BeyondGeography

(39,393 posts)
19. "God save us from the fair-minded. They'll kill the country and wonder how they did it."
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:26 AM
Feb 2024

Maureen Dowd has a similar line in today’s column which, like nine out of ten Maureen Dowd columns, you should otherwise avoid:

It was a mistake for Merrick Garland to make a Trump appointee the special counsel for Biden. Like James Comey, Garland is a man so in love with his own virtue that he bends over backward to show it off. I am so fair that I am going to be unfair. Democrats often fall into this way of thinking, to their own detriment.

yardwork

(61,772 posts)
39. Good assessment. I normally loathe her but she's right about this.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:30 AM
Feb 2024

This kind of performative virtue irritates people, and too many Democratic politicians and insiders are guilty of it. People recognize that it's a form of elitism and egoism. And in the Trump era it's just laughably weak. People like Hur bulldoze right over it.

Hur is probably laughing about how he put one over on Garland.

Goodheart

(5,351 posts)
20. The very first item on Garland's plate should have been to prosecute obstruction of justice in the Mueller investigation
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:28 AM
Feb 2024

When that didn't happen we should have known, right then and there, that Garland would be a failure.

Hey, let's prosecute some inconsequential redneck caught on videotape! That oughta be enough to satisfy the exigencies of democracy, right?

MOMFUDSKI

(5,779 posts)
30. More importantly, Biden should have known
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:00 AM
Feb 2024

and come out swinging. Chiding these assholes doesn’t work like it used to.

mn9driver

(4,429 posts)
21. This was the last straw for me.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:30 AM
Feb 2024

After all this time, he couldn’t see the r*tf*ck coming? He needs to go.

The Magistrate

(95,264 posts)
23. I Am Curious Who His Deputy Is, Ma'am
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:40 AM
Feb 2024

Because the only argument left for his retention is the difficulty of getting any appointment through the Senate....

paleotn

(18,012 posts)
29. Exactly. He holds office by that one, tenuous thread. Getting a new appointment through a fractious Senate.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:57 AM
Feb 2024

Here's an idea. Acting AG. Someone with cojones. The precedent was set in the previous administration.

yardwork

(61,772 posts)
41. Then maybe some pressure needs to be put on Garland, Sir.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:41 AM
Feb 2024

Politics needs to be a rough business sometimes when so much is at stake.

Liberal In Texas

(13,612 posts)
26. I agree with Charley.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:50 AM
Feb 2024

I keep hearing that it's too late to replace him. Wait until after the election.

NO. Get it over ASAP and stop the damage he might do before the election.

paleotn

(18,012 posts)
27. "It should have been the very first item on Garland's plate when he walked in the door. " Exactly!
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:52 AM
Feb 2024

Why on earth did it take so long to investigate and prosecute those involved in a failed coup? A fucking coup for god's sake!!! In much of the world, if you pull a coup d'etat and fail, you're dead. Literally dead. Extra judicial, taken out back and kicked to your knees and shot. That's the thing about coups and why they're so rare. I'm not advocating we do that, but dear god, prosecute those who planned and led it, not just the minions few people care about. And don't take 3 fucking years to do it! Otherwise, why not do it again? And better next time.

Sorry, Garland. I supported you and believed you were doing things properly. Now, I've come to agree, you're not the person for this hour. You don't have the steel spine necessary for the times. So thank you for your service. Buh bye.

jaxexpat

(6,876 posts)
28. Where does this guy get off using exact phrases I was using in August 2022? Who am I, Rodney Dangerfield.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:52 AM
Feb 2024

And why doe it take so long for people to clearly see what's been in front of their faces for nearly 3 years. I'm going a step further and telling the truth whether you like it or not. Not only is Garland useless at times like this but way too many who still see him as a worthy appointee are, perhaps, also useless at this time. To paraphrase Lincoln, "I can't keep this turkey, he won't fight."

Garland is throwing bones to the MAGA dogs when he should be prosecuting them. It serves no good purpose to enumerate the tasks the DOJ has undertaken while MTG and her cadre prowl the halls of congress.

Dear Mr. President,

Ask this moron for his resignation ASAP.

Hopefully yours,
American Citizen

Paladin

(28,283 posts)
31. As usual, NOBODY puts it better than Charlie Pierce.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:03 AM
Feb 2024

Merrick Garland should have been gone, some time ago.

"God save us from the fair-minded." Thank you, Charles Pierce. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
35. If Biden agrees with this article, then he should fire Garland
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:25 AM
Feb 2024

Both Garland and Biden could have redacted the offensive line in Hur’s report, as Bill Barr did to much of Meuller’s report, but chose not to.

gab13by13

(21,487 posts)
53. Bill Barr lied about the Mueller report
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 12:38 PM
Feb 2024

no one wants Merrick Garland to lie about what Hur did, Garland should say what it was, a political hit job on President Biden.

Didn't Garland say he would not be partisan. or was he only speaking to Republicans.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
89. Did Biden have a preview of Hur's Report before Garland Released it? I was wondering about that.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:16 PM
Feb 2024

I wondered if Garland had sent it to the W.H. and waited for a response back from Biden?

I don't know how things generally work in this context, . but I have been a little curious about it.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
90. IIRC, Hur submitted it to Garland last Monday, and it was released to public on Thursday
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:18 PM
Feb 2024

So, definitely enough time for Biden to review.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
94. I would normally find it really hard to wrap my head around Garland approving,except we've had three long years of
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:41 PM
Feb 2024

observing his job performance from a public perch. I don't recall ever feeling confident about him on anything known to the public.

Imagine being in Biden's position and watching what was happening to his son, knowing that it was a political hit job but couldn't take a position, put his thumb on it in anyway for obvious reasons, but then..... this.

And Garland just let it happen on purpose. Despicable.



 

Basic LA

(2,047 posts)
40. Show some brass & dump this namby pamby
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:32 AM
Feb 2024

Whoever is next-in-line would do fine so as to sidestep confirmation hearings.
And next, the NYT needs to give Charlie Pierce a twice-weekly column to balance their right-leaning op-ed page. Do it now.

doc03

(35,442 posts)
42. He should be fired but if Biden fired him the Republicans would then
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:49 AM
Feb 2024

say rightly Biden is pulling the strings at the DOJ.

usaf-vet

(6,233 posts)
60. F!!!! the repugs they are going to say it anyway. How many times do folks out here have to say. Fight fire with napalm.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 01:37 PM
Feb 2024

How did we end up with Mueller and now Garland?

We are told day in and day out they are just doing fine UNTIL they aren't, and then it's too late to accomplish anything we might have expected.

bucolic_frolic

(43,476 posts)
43. Very valid article, Garland handled political uncertainty 2021 very well, but times change
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:54 AM
Feb 2024

Public opinion was raw and sharply divided in 2021, the nation was grappling with even identifying the insurrection - riot, touristy, protest, or coup. We won that naming battle, or the event defined itself. It is now referred to as insurrection, even for those who deny it.

Slowly grinding out the criminals worked to turn public opinion. But now we need someone with more fire to finish the job.

oldmanlynn

(115 posts)
44. At this point Biden should retain Garland
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:57 AM
Feb 2024

When Biden wins reelection then replace him.

I certainly think Garland deserves all the negative publicity like this from media.

Garland should have a press conference were he apologizes for what Hur did and contradicts the ageism and says he himself screwed up by not asking Hur to rewrite the report.


At this point Garland appears like he was on board with the slander and is most likely a republican himself

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,507 posts)
107. I was one of the people
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 07:29 PM
Feb 2024

That suspected he was a republican mole. I could not see any justification of substance with the foot dragging and wimping out.

There are republican dems and we need to know where thier loyalties are.
To trump,or our democracy and country.

LPBBEAR

(296 posts)
45. Not only...
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 10:58 AM
Feb 2024

should Garland be gone ASAP, EVERY Republican in any government office should be removed. I'm sick of the bending over backwards "our friends across the aisle" BS. Purge these partisan traitors NOW.

MichMan

(12,002 posts)
58. "Not only...should Garland be gone ASAP, EVERY Republican in any government office should be removed"
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 01:21 PM
Feb 2024

You do know that would be ruled blatantly illegal, right?

LPBBEAR

(296 posts)
66. Not any
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 02:35 PM
Feb 2024

more illegal than the crap the Republicans have gotten away with for decades. If they can do it we can too.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,507 posts)
109. I feel the same
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 07:36 PM
Feb 2024

But would it be possible to ruthlessly root out traitors now that shit has shifted so right even in the democratic party..

In the past would the dems tolerate traitors then,would the people have tolerated it?

One big difference media had to be fair.
It isnt truthful or fair anymore.
Fuck reagan he helped kill our free press.

Mike Nelson

(9,984 posts)
48. My hope...
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 11:38 AM
Feb 2024

... is that Garland is able to find the door by himself. I'd say wait until the current stuff blows over, but find that door before November. We are going to need an AG with no experience in timidity.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
91. Someone up thread asked about Garlands Deputy. What do we know at this point?
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:27 PM
Feb 2024

maybe I'll have time in the morning to start with google, but maybe someone with more time on their hands will do it sooner and share what they know. I'm playing hooky from a chore I should be doing right n ow. hee hee.

 

capechacon

(91 posts)
50. Garland is a glacially slow-moving doofus....
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 12:14 PM
Feb 2024

....who will be humming, hawing until he manages to assure that Trump is elected in November.

Goodbye democracy.

GreenWave

(6,812 posts)
52. If he had wanted to preserve democracy first rather than cater to obstreperous GOP
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 12:29 PM
Feb 2024

and their attack dogs, these cases would already be wrapped up and Trumpty Dumpty facing final results.

orthoclad

(2,910 posts)
54. Going on 3 years
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 12:39 PM
Feb 2024

and the chief insurrectionists who tried to violently overthrow the government are still free, and many holding office.

Compare to what happened in Germany when a right wing conspiracy organized. They were in jail toot sweet.

DOJ is still filled with moles and coup plotters. FBI is swatting human rights protesters while many J6ers roam free.

We're in deep shit.

Hartpi978

(13 posts)
55. Maybe McConnell was right
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 12:40 PM
Feb 2024

Maybe Mitch McConnell did us a service blocking Garland's appointment. His judgment is questionable. Who knows what he could have done as a member of the Supreme Court.Let Monaco take over the Justice Department.

Celerity

(43,734 posts)
103. The poster meant Garland never getting a vote for SCOTUS.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 07:17 PM
Feb 2024

Which was disastrous, would rather him (flawed as he is) on the court than the nonce Neil Gorsuch.

jalan48

(13,909 posts)
106. I'm sorry, I think I misread your post.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 07:24 PM
Feb 2024

It is odd that McConnell did vote to confirm Garland as AG.

republianmushroom

(13,847 posts)
62. I will post this again, how I see it. Garland, elite lawyer brain, good judge, piss poor A.G. and/or prosecutor. IMO
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 01:42 PM
Feb 2024

Silent3

(15,431 posts)
64. It's funny how this post seems to have left the usual Garland/DoJ cheerleading squad speechless
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 02:17 PM
Feb 2024

Now, much more important than feeling vindicated, I hope democracy in the United States survives this mess.

gulliver

(13,205 posts)
67. I haven't seen any serious mistakes by Garland
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 02:41 PM
Feb 2024

There's a lot of mistaken criticism of him. That I've seen a whole lot of. From both sides.

The criticism from folks who think of themselves as being on the left is basically that Garland should have self-designed an Attorney General uniform, stuck on some epaulets and medals, and arrested Trump pronto.

The criticism from Trump and folks who think of themselves as being on the right is that what Garland has been doing is essentially what the left wishes he were doing. (See above.)

Great straightness seems bent. I think that's from the Tao Te Ching. Garland is essentially correct in a world where folks have adopted silly, erroneous, superficial, feel-good evaluation criteria concerning correctness.

 

Shermanator

(45 posts)
70. No one is saying what you wrote
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 03:10 PM
Feb 2024

What we're saying is Garland is making decisions based on his fears of the republicans. He's been cowed by them. Also he's the boss and he's supposed to be overseeing his subordinates but he keeps abdicating his duties. You can't have an Attorney General like that. Let the Republicans scream and shout all they want. His only duty is to the Constitution. That report should have never went out without him reviewing it

 

Shermanator

(45 posts)
74. You wrote this:
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 03:34 PM
Feb 2024
The criticism from folks who think of themselves as being on the left is basically that Garland should have self-designed an Attorney General uniform, stuck on some epaulets and medals, and arrested Trump pronto.


No one is saying that. Garland being criticized for letting the republicans dictate his actions.

gulliver

(13,205 posts)
75. Oh that...
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 03:37 PM
Feb 2024

That is sometimes called an exaggeration for effect. Those who see it that way are correct.

gab13by13

(21,487 posts)
76. Your criticism includes President Biden's personal lawyer,
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 03:46 PM
Feb 2024

who complained to both the special counsel and to the Attorney general for publishing a political hit job.

Did you watch Biden's press conference? He would have blackened Hur's eye if he were there.

Merrick Garland promised to not be partisan he broke that promise to President Biden when he released Hur's report.

gulliver

(13,205 posts)
77. I thought Biden's lawyer's points were fine.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 04:17 PM
Feb 2024

And I watched Biden's masterful press conference (which was then warped by the media). Of course.

Did Garland break a promise? No.

Trump is going to play the "equivalence" game, and the media don't play with a full enough deck to police it. Truth ain't their job.

So, if Garland had (to steelman what is perhaps your take), appointed someone "neutral" (if such exists) and/or edited/redacted/squelched the report after its production, Trumpies would have been able to use it as an example of Garland protecting Biden. And it would have been a good example. Fortunately, it didn't happen.

Garland strengthened the case against Trump. Pence investigation? No charges. Biden investigation? No charges (but a dirty little innuendo trick pulled). Trump? Investigated, indicted, and will be convicted.

Doc Sportello

(7,545 posts)
110. Nah, it's just a standard lie
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 08:16 PM
Feb 2024

Putting words in the mouths of other posters doesn't get you any points. Being honest about what you wrote might.

Trueblue Texan

(2,451 posts)
86. Well, one thing the Hur slur report reveals...
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 05:49 PM
Feb 2024

...Biden doesn't interfere with investigations. And Garland is no Bill Barr.

 

SqueakyWheel.363

(29 posts)
87. Garland has always been a huge Centrist
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:02 PM
Feb 2024

and upholder of the status quo. I was kinda glad he didn't get vetted for the Supreme court, it's just too bad that RBG didn't step down when Obama could have replaced her. Garlands behavior has been consistent with his political career sadly.

Elessar Zappa

(14,131 posts)
88. It'll look political if he does it now.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:04 PM
Feb 2024

I reckon Garland will be replaced in January of 25, when Biden’s re-elected.

dlk

(11,600 posts)
95. Hur's comments were cruel and hateful by design
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:44 PM
Feb 2024

After the Comey debacle, here we go again. Hur has shown himself to be a petty and spiteful prosecutor who couldn’t indict Biden legally, so he personally took it upon himself to indict Biden politically, perhaps, to cover up the fact that he knew about the classified documents in 2017, and did nothing.

Garland had to have read this report, and apparently doesn’t have the stomach to fulfill his duties appropriately at this critical time. This is bothsiderism at its worst.

Handler

(336 posts)
97. Garland is a bum
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:55 PM
Feb 2024

His inability to act quickly in the face of an attack on our democracy will haunt this country.

colorado_ufo

(5,743 posts)
98. Garland brings the weak sauce.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 06:56 PM
Feb 2024

Did he even READ Hur's report? Maybe there should be some comment on HIS age!

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,507 posts)
101. Should have been out the door
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 07:15 PM
Feb 2024

After he wimped out on the trump case for fear of offending republicans. Really the worst they could do is call you bad names and make threats. My commitment to the country,fellow citizens and democracy itself matters more than offending assholes or possible threats from unhinged trump ass monkeys

He lacked the conscience and the courage he should have been tossed out the door the minute it was clear he was failing at his job.

brush

(53,971 posts)
105. Agreed. He's done a poor judge. The J6 planners, including trump, should've been tried by now.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 07:23 PM
Feb 2024

trump most likely woud've been found guilty on at least one of the 91 felony charges and we wouldn't be facing the possibility of an insurrectionist regaining the WH to install a dictatorship. HIs Plan 25 outlines dentention camps to hold people to be deported.

Muslim Americans, undocumented people, brown people, black people...where will that stop?

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,838 posts)
115. Thursday was the end for me too.
Sun Feb 11, 2024, 09:40 PM
Feb 2024

The bullslhit puke attack line on Biden's age now has the imprimatur of DOJ legitimacy.

quakerboy

(13,923 posts)
117. they can't even be bothered to replace DeJoy
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 01:14 AM
Feb 2024

What's the chances they do anything about the AG?

While I still think he would have been better than Gorsuch.. the margin is looking pretty slim.

hydrolastic

(489 posts)
119. IDK, Has anyone thought about there might be a memo?
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 06:24 AM
Feb 2024

Remember the Mueller report where there was a memo tying the hands of law from prosecuting a sitting president? I think the house and senate must have a similar memo because there is no action being taken.

ecstatic

(32,782 posts)
120. Bottom line, he failed to keep us safe
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 07:46 AM
Feb 2024

He needs to go. He clearly doesn't understand the emergency we face and now we could lose democracy thanks to him. GTFO.

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