Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Botany

(70,592 posts)
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:26 PM Jan 2024

We got a horse race. Haley finished much closer than was expected and Donny is bleeding support,

showing more and more signs of cognitive decline, and his criminal and civil penalties are piling up daily. Look for the PTB to put real money behind Nikki because they know Trump as the nominee means a loss in November.

43 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
We got a horse race. Haley finished much closer than was expected and Donny is bleeding support, (Original Post) Botany Jan 2024 OP
I don't think this is true ColinC Jan 2024 #1
Hey I want Trump to be the nominee. Botany Jan 2024 #5
Well she made the first step by challenging him to a debate. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #8
If she does well here and then wins home state of South Carolina... Ligyron Jan 2024 #2
She will be getting creamed in S. Carolina. Do a little research NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #15
Gotta admit, don't pay much attention to her. Ligyron Jan 2024 #31
Why? Trump easier to beat than Haley NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #32
She burned her bridges there. Scruffy1 Jan 2024 #21
Nah ITAL Jan 2024 #3
Where did you get that info? Kaleva Jan 2024 #18
She's not within ten right now either ITAL Jan 2024 #19
Bad news for TFG is that he can't win with just the R vote Kaleva Jan 2024 #38
Would not have mattered. The rest of the primaries are set up for Trump. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #33
You know its bad when MTG runs in front of the camera to say Haley Lucinda Jan 2024 #4
Where is Haley going to turn the tide? TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #6
An election is never over until MTG mouths off, and she's got a barn burner tonight bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #7
Oh for the love of dog MTG was a hot mess Botany Jan 2024 #11
Yeah, I think that's Sununu GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #40
I'm kind of looking forward to her baiting him for months. nolabear Jan 2024 #9
Good! Waste more millions of dollars now central scrutinizer Jan 2024 #10
By any honest standard tonight is a disaster for Trump. hay rick Jan 2024 #12
Yup! His armor of invincibility has been dented and Trump will not listen to experts and lash out .... Botany Jan 2024 #13
I don't think so as far as the nomination goes In It to Win It Jan 2024 #16
Those polls show that on January 1 Trump was projected to get 44%. Yesterday he got 54% onenote Jan 2024 #41
The polls I saw for January reported Trump against 5 other Republicans. hay rick Jan 2024 #43
I have read and seen a few things thatdemguy Jan 2024 #14
R and D registrations are almost exactly equal in NH. hay rick Jan 2024 #17
Think you're right. Haley doesn't need to win, just survive limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #20
Please don't do that. Tangerine Dream was a creative band. And tRump is NOT a dream of any kind other than nightmare. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2024 #24
omg, I am so deeply apologetic limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #25
It's okay. I thought that might be the case. Could go the other way too, some time Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2024 #26
Tangerine Dream doesn't deserve to be dragged into this! AZSkiffyGeek Jan 2024 #30
Indeed, in the past couple weeks, the cognitive decline of dRump DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #22
We know he runs on nose candy of some kind... Ford_Prefect Jan 2024 #23
normally I can put on my Dumpy Drawers decoder ring lapfog_1 Jan 2024 #28
She just needs to get Koch to fund her til TFG loses 14th amendment case JT45242 Jan 2024 #27
The next few days will tell. cilla4progress Jan 2024 #29
Last week was reported Trump's internal polling data show him hemorrhaging Torchlight Jan 2024 #34
I think tfg is also losing republican voters too ..... he really is damaged goods Botany Jan 2024 #35
TFG is a horse's ass, so it indeed is a horse race Kennah Jan 2024 #36
My apologies. Horse industry has lodged an objection to me comparing TFG to a horse's ass. Kennah Jan 2024 #37
I doubt Haley gets the nomination, even if Trump is a drooling idiot GenThePerservering Jan 2024 #39
There is a non-trivial chance that Trump will be incarcerated, or too medically / mentally unsound to continue Shrek Jan 2024 #42

ColinC

(8,337 posts)
1. I don't think this is true
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:30 PM
Jan 2024

But I really really really hope it is.

🤞 fingers crossed you are right!!!

Botany

(70,592 posts)
5. Hey I want Trump to be the nominee.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:35 PM
Jan 2024

But by the South Carolina primary he most likely will be a drooling mess. Watch Nikki try to
goad him into a debate daily.

Scruffy1

(3,257 posts)
21. She burned her bridges there.
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 12:00 AM
Jan 2024

She managed to piss off most of the GOP leaders in the state by shoving primary challenges at them She will get very little from the faithful.

ITAL

(645 posts)
3. Nah
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:34 PM
Jan 2024

Wish I could agree with you. Haley needed to be within 5 points (or even win) to start a political earthquake. Trump will win SC by 20+

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)
18. Where did you get that info?
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:40 PM
Jan 2024

Pundits I've seen talking said being within single digits would be a big boost for Haley.

ITAL

(645 posts)
19. She's not within ten right now either
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:44 PM
Jan 2024

But I make my statement on the idea than being super close would mean that she got more GOP support in the primary. Looking at exit polls she didn't do particularly great with Republicans. Her support is being driven by Independents. Trump can point to that and claim (with some justification) it's giving an inaccurate window to how Republicans actually view him. He destroyed her among actual Republicans.

Kaleva

(36,354 posts)
38. Bad news for TFG is that he can't win with just the R vote
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 05:09 PM
Jan 2024

If Indies swing for Biden in the fall, tfg has no chance . If moderate Rs stay home, it will be tough for TFG to pull out a win.

Botany

(70,592 posts)
11. Oh for the love of dog MTG was a hot mess
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:49 PM
Jan 2024

I think that was Governor Sununu laughing at her and the reporter was pissed.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
9. I'm kind of looking forward to her baiting him for months.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:41 PM
Jan 2024

I don’t have any illusions and she’s a nightmare but she’s not half bad at mudslinging. I hope they tear one another’s throats out.

hay rick

(7,646 posts)
12. By any honest standard tonight is a disaster for Trump.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:52 PM
Jan 2024

The Trump polling lead in the last week has been 20+ points. 538 numbers here: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-primary-r/2024/new-hampshire/

Haley started making the long overdue attack on Trump's fitness in just the last week. The bleeding of his campaign is visible and undeniable already. Trump's cognitive deterioration will be the new frame of much of the reporting on the primary campaign between now and Super Tuesday. Trump, with his lack of impulse control, will sputter and strike back, and the narrative will be strengthened.

Botany

(70,592 posts)
13. Yup! His armor of invincibility has been dented and Trump will not listen to experts and lash out ....
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 10:11 PM
Jan 2024

…. @ Nikki in his wild Trumpian style and looking more and more bat shit every day. Now I don’t
know if the tv shots I have seen reflect reality but I have seen more than one 1 or 2 time Trump
voters who said they would not vote for him again. Between his mental and physical decline which
will only get worse almost daily and his unelectablity things could get rough for Donny.

Look for his handlers to try to limit his camera time and most likely try to medicate him too.


Or I might be wrong.

In It to Win It

(8,287 posts)
16. I don't think so as far as the nomination goes
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 10:20 PM
Jan 2024

Trump is banking on the winner-take-all states where it doesn't need to be a landslide. He just needs to get to 50%+1. He's shown he can do that twice now.

onenote

(42,776 posts)
41. Those polls show that on January 1 Trump was projected to get 44%. Yesterday he got 54%
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 06:56 PM
Jan 2024

That doesn't seem like he's trending downward.

hay rick

(7,646 posts)
43. The polls I saw for January reported Trump against 5 other Republicans.
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 08:54 PM
Jan 2024

I don't know which poll(s) you are referring too, but to give an example: If Trump was favored by 44% and Haley by 20% circa January 1, other voters were favored by 36%. In that case, Trump picked up an additional 10% from the candidates that dropped out and and Haley picked up approximately 23% of those votes. And that was after DeSantis dropped out and endorsed Trump.

thatdemguy

(453 posts)
14. I have read and seen a few things
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 10:16 PM
Jan 2024

Saying that a lot of the independents voted for Haley over rump. If you look at the last numbers I saw total Dem votes is just over 40k, total repug votes is like 110k. Those numbers are very un balanced, does the state have that many more pug voters?

hay rick

(7,646 posts)
17. R and D registrations are almost exactly equal in NH.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:15 PM
Jan 2024

The higher Republican turnout is largely due to the fact that Biden was not on the ballot and did not campaign there. People voting for him had to to write in his name or vote for Dean Phillips or Marianne Williamson. As it was, local Democratic activists organized a write-in campaign and he was getting 62% of the vote last I checked.

Independent voters (Unaffiliated in NH) are the largest group of registered voters in NH and can vote in either primary. They mostly voted in the Republican primary and are credited with reducing Trump's margin.

limbicnuminousity

(1,405 posts)
20. Think you're right. Haley doesn't need to win, just survive
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 11:52 PM
Jan 2024

Last edited Wed Jan 24, 2024, 10:16 AM - Edit history (1)

long enough for Tangerine Dream "color" "noun" to froth at the mouth and completely lose what little control over his mind that remains on national tv.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,046 posts)
24. Please don't do that. Tangerine Dream was a creative band. And tRump is NOT a dream of any kind other than nightmare. nt
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 12:29 AM
Jan 2024

limbicnuminousity

(1,405 posts)
25. omg, I am so deeply apologetic
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 12:32 AM
Jan 2024

Didn't know the band's name, that was just free-association.

Apologies to all dreams, no tangerines harmed in the printing of this post.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,046 posts)
26. It's okay. I thought that might be the case. Could go the other way too, some time
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 12:38 AM
Jan 2024

Some day I might make such a remark and someone would say "Ouch, you just insulted my favorite AI virtual reality show character."

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,081 posts)
30. Tangerine Dream doesn't deserve to be dragged into this!
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 02:34 AM
Jan 2024

They’re a great krautrock/new age band. Is another shitty band with an orange themed name?

DemocraticPatriot

(4,428 posts)
22. Indeed, in the past couple weeks, the cognitive decline of dRump
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 12:04 AM
Jan 2024

seems to be speeding up a lot---

he has gone from making statements that are obviously false,
to making statements that make no sense whatsoever, so that
no reasonable person can even discern
WHAT THE FUCK he is trying to say!!!


So what will his nomination acceptance speech sound like, in 6 months?

I have my doubts that there will even BE one!

(or perhaps it will be A.I. generated onto a screen,
so his handlers will attempt to hide the fact that he has become
a totally degenerated idiot by that time..)


lapfog_1

(29,227 posts)
28. normally I can put on my Dumpy Drawers decoder ring
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 12:44 AM
Jan 2024

and figure out what the idiot is trying to say. You know, all those airports we occupied in the Revolutionary War...

but these days... WTF. Sometimes he just goes trailing off, can't read the prompter because he CANNOT read, and just starts spewing words.

Death Penalty instead of Death Spiral... I can't even imagine, other than free association, how he said that...

celebrity "The word is Death..." contestant "Penalty!" buzzz...

JT45242

(2,299 posts)
27. She just needs to get Koch to fund her til TFG loses 14th amendment case
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 12:41 AM
Jan 2024

If the billionaires think she is the best alternative to win, they will buy Alito, Thomas and beer bong to get TFG off the ballot so that get someone who has a chance of getting elected and bringing Project 2025;to fruition.

Torchlight

(3,361 posts)
34. Last week was reported Trump's internal polling data show him hemorrhaging
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 02:57 PM
Jan 2024

independent and unaligned voters at an astounding rate.

Just maybe... in their garden of the imagination, the bloom is finally off the rose as more and more see an empty suit filled with little more than stale burgers, stale slogans, and and stale tantrums.

Botany

(70,592 posts)
35. I think tfg is also losing republican voters too ..... he really is damaged goods
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 04:24 PM
Jan 2024

Now Nikki faces an uphill battle but between his obvious cognitive decline, his criminal and
civil Issues which can no longer be ignored by some republicans he is in real trouble.

Nikki needs to take the gloves off and go after Trump and his record. He just admitted to taking
$8 million in bribes as President for work he did for those countries.

Btw I want Donny to be the nominee because his loss is a sure bet.

GenThePerservering

(1,840 posts)
39. I doubt Haley gets the nomination, even if Trump is a drooling idiot
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 06:51 PM
Jan 2024

Goppers are fundamentally misogynistic, and besides she isn't blond.

It'll be Trump v Biden unless Trump falls off his perch (unlikely).

But let the increasingly broke GOP keep spending resources to keep the charade going.

Shrek

(3,984 posts)
42. There is a non-trivial chance that Trump will be incarcerated, or too medically / mentally unsound to continue
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 07:01 PM
Jan 2024

All she has to do is stay in the race and continue to accumulate delegates.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»We got a horse race. Ha...