Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 01:01 PM Jan 2024

Pruneface was a Klansman

The late Honorable Detroit Mayor Coleman A. Young on Ronald Reagan, before he was elected president:

"Pruneface."

On Ronald Reagan, after he was elected:

"President Pruneface."



Reagan, White As Snow

by Alec Dubro
www.tompaine.com/, May 13, 2007

EXCERPT...

Domestically, he opposed every legislative remedy for African Americans, betraying a meanness of spirit and an open racism. As Sidney Blumenthal wrote in The Guardian in 2003:

Reagan opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (calling it "humiliating to the South", and ran for governor of California in 1966 promising to wipe the Fair Housing Act off the books. "If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house," he said, "he has a right to do so." After the Republican convention in 1980, Reagan traveled to the county fair in Neshoba, Mississippi, where, in 1964, three Freedom Riders had been slain by the Ku Klux Klan. Before an all-white crowd of tens of thousands, Reagan declared: "I believe in states' rights."

It's hard to believe now, but in 1965, a higher percentage of congressional Republicans voted for the Voting Rights Act than Democrats. Reagan, then, wasn't following party tradition; he was making a grab for the white racist vote-and it worked. Southern Democrats abandoned the party en masse for one more welcoming to white supremacy. No wonder so many loved, and still love, the man: He validated people's whiteness.

It's true that Reagan knew enough to occasionally disguise his racism. He appointed Samuel Pierce to head the Department of Housing and Urban Development, where Pierce presided over the halving of housing subsidies. No matter. Reagan couldn't remember the man's name. Once, at a reception for the nation's mayors, he greeted Pierce with a '"Hello, Mr. Mayor." Despite this, a few black conservatives, such as Armstrong Williams, were willing to validate him as someone who knew better than the "civil rights establishment" what was good for African Americans.

But it was in foreign affairs that he showed that he could rise above mere opportunism and flaunt his racism for all the world to see. He was the best friend that South Africa's apartheid government had in the developed world.

CONTINUED...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Ronald_Reagan/Reagan_WhiteAsSnow.html

For all the lurking Fundamentalists: Reagan and his ilk brought America full-spectrum evil.



Bell Book Says Officials Told Racist Jokes : Reagan Aide Says He Doubts Claim by Ex-Education Secretary

October 21, 1987|Associated Press

WASHINGTON — President Reagan's first secretary of education says mid-level Administration officials made racist jokes and other scurrilous remarks during civil rights discussions, but Reagan's chief spokesman said Tuesday he does not believe it.

Terrel H. Bell, in a memoir of Reagan's first term, said the slurs included references to the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. as "Martin Lucifer Coon" and calling Title IX, a federal law guaranteeing women equal educational opportunity, "the lesbian's bill of rights."

SNIP...

Bell did not identify those who made the racist or scurrilous comments. He could not be reached for further comment.

In his book, he says the jokes about King were made as Reagan was deciding whether to sign or veto a bill establishing King's birthday as a national holiday. He eventually signed it.

Bell said: "I do not mean to imply that these scurrilous remarks were common utterances in the rooms and corridors of the White House and the Old Executive Office Building, but I heard them when issues related to civil rights enforcement weighed heavily on my mind."

Bell added: "It seemed obvious they were said for my benefit, since they often accompanied sardonic references to 'Comrade Bell.' "

CONTINUED...

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-10-21/news/mn-9912_1_racist-jokes

What it has to do with the present situation:



Media Ignores Ronald Reagan’s Unmasking as Donald Trump’s Racist Grandpa

By Tommy Christopher
Mediate, August 3, 2019

Excerpt…

You could be forgiven if you missed the news that a racist telephone conversation between then-California Governor Reagan and then-President Richard Nixon was unearthed and released this week.

The call took place in October of 1971, during which Reagan and Nixon discussed the United Nations delegation from the United Republic of Tanzania following a vote on a resolution to seat China in the world body.

“Last night, I tell you, to watch that thing on television as I did,” Reagan said in the brief recording.

“Yeah,” Nixon agreed.

“To see those, those monkeys from those African countries — damn them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!” Reagan continued, to hearty laughter from Nixon.

Continues…

https://www.mediaite.com/opinion/media-ignores-ronald-reagans-unmasking-as-donald-trumps-racist-grandpa/

35 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Pruneface was a Klansman (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 OP
Reagan was a real POS. 3catwoman3 Jan 2024 #1
Reagan was a useful idiot, if not a traitor, too. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #3
When he was governor of California during the time of then black panthers he was for gun control ! kimbutgar Jan 2024 #2
Ronnie the Racist GOP goes way back. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #4
Not a dog whistle! moondust Jan 2024 #7
An evil scumbag malaise Jan 2024 #27
I trace the beginning of our society's slippery slope into selfishness to him and his sidekicks. llmart Jan 2024 #33
And to think I voted for Reagan in '84 Redleg Jan 2024 #5
My father, a life long Republican sab390 Jan 2024 #12
I hear ya, Redleg . Permanut Jan 2024 #14
That Time Might've Been the Last Gasp of America's Free Press Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #16
Nancy Reagan's arrogance misanthrope Jan 2024 #18
K & R malaise Jan 2024 #6
If they're racists towards their fellow Americans... Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #17
TThe worst thing is that these racist charlatans malaise Jan 2024 #34
President Kennedy tried to put Democracy into practice, but, you know... Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #35
Very happy for this post! BaronChocula Jan 2024 #8
Excellent Observations, Yours. The South Has Risen. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #19
Thanks for the kudos BaronChocula Jan 2024 #25
So true. byronius Jan 2024 #9
...And America exported its special brand of Friendly Fascism Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #20
Ron: Just say no to rugs. twodogsbarking Jan 2024 #10
War on Drugs really was GOP making war on Minorities and Hippies Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #21
All true. Well......... twodogsbarking Jan 2024 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 Jan 2024 #11
Indeed. bucolic_frolic Jan 2024 #13
Thank you. Must emphasize racist history. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #28
"Reagan Democrats" there was plenty of them and they put him in. Raine Jan 2024 #15
The media and government were not kind to MLK. They don't like kindness. He did. twodogsbarking Jan 2024 #23
That it was uttered by mid-level staffers... Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #29
Very interesting, thanks so much for the link. 👍🙂 nt Raine Jan 2024 #30
Black people knew Reagan was a racist pos. Why white people couldn't see it always baffled me, except now that I'm so Solomon Jan 2024 #24
Safari Club: How Jimmy Carter got canceled by Saudi Arabia and Big Oil. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #31
👀 a lot to take in but thanks underpants Jan 2024 #26
You are welcome! Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #32

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
3. Reagan was a useful idiot, if not a traitor, too.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 01:57 PM
Jan 2024


A Four-Decade Secret: One Man's Untold Story of Sabotaging Carter's Re-election

by Peter Baker
The New York Times, March 18, 2023

WASHINGTON — It has been more than four decades, but Ben Barnes said he remembers it vividly. His longtime political mentor invited him on a mission to the Middle East. What Mr. Barnes said he did not realize until later was the real purpose of the mission: to sabotage the re-election campaign of the president of the United States.

It was 1980 and Jimmy Carter was in the White House, bedeviled by a hostage crisis in Iran that had paralyzed his presidency and hampered his effort to win a second term. Mr. Carter’s best chance for victory was to free the 52 Americans held captive before Election Day. That was something that Mr. Barnes said his mentor was determined to prevent.

His mentor was John B. Connally Jr., a titan of American politics and former Texas governor who had served three presidents and just lost his own bid for the White House. A former Democrat, Mr. Connally had sought the Republican nomination in 1980 only to be swamped by former Gov. Ronald Reagan of California. Now Mr. Connally resolved to help Mr. Reagan beat Mr. Carter and in the process, Mr. Barnes said, make his own case for becoming secretary of state or defense in a new administration.

What happened next Mr. Barnes has largely kept secret for nearly 43 years. Mr. Connally, he said, took him to one Middle Eastern capital after another that summer, meeting with a host of regional leaders to deliver a blunt message to be passed to Iran: Don’t release the hostages before the election. Mr. Reagan will win and give you a better deal.

Then shortly after returning home, Mr. Barnes said, Mr. Connally reported to William J. Casey, the chairman of Mr. Reagan’s campaign and later director of the Central Intelligence Agency, briefing him about the trip in an airport lounge.

Mr. Carter’s camp has long suspected that Mr. Casey or someone else in Mr. Reagan’s orbit sought to secretly torpedo efforts to liberate the hostages before the election, and books have been written on what came to be called the October surprise. But congressional investigations debunked previous theories of what happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/18/us/politics/jimmy-carter-october-surprise-iran-hostages.html

https://archive.is/FgABN

Why that hasn't gotten wall-to-wall coverage is evidence our national news media are corrupt.

kimbutgar

(21,195 posts)
2. When he was governor of California during the time of then black panthers he was for gun control !
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 01:55 PM
Jan 2024

When he saw on Tv the black panthers carrying guns around,

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
4. Ronnie the Racist GOP goes way back.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 02:21 PM
Jan 2024

Reagan announced his 1980 candidacy in Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers were murdered in 1964.



Aug. 3, 1980: Reagan Gives “State’s Rights” Speech at Neshoba County Fair

On August 3, 1980, presidential candidate Ronald Reagan addressed a large crowd at the Neshoba County Fair as he campaigned in his bid for the presidency.

The fairgrounds are mere miles away from the site where three civil rights workers — one a student participating in Mississippi Freedom Summer and the other two CORE members — were murdered and buried in shallow graves by members of the Ku Klux Klan in 1964.

Reagan appealed to the “George Wallace-inclined voters” dreaming of a return to segregation and freedom of unfettered white supremacy in his stump speech:


I believe in states’ rights; I believe in people doing as much as they can for themselves at the community level and at the private level. And I believe that we’ve distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended in the constitution to that federal establishment. And if I do get the job I’m looking for, I’m going to devote myself to trying to reorder those priorities and to restore to the states and local communities those functions which properly belong there.


In his appeal to white supremacists, he did not acknowledge the murders, which had been investigated by the FBI and were just one instance of violent assaults on local Black civil rights advocates and white allies in recent history.

Source: https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/reagan-speech-at-neshoba/

Like all cowards, the racists like their victims unarmed.

moondust

(20,006 posts)
7. Not a dog whistle!
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 03:22 PM
Jan 2024

A dog bullhorn.

A morally sound party would have learned its lesson from the Nixon debacle and cleaned up its act. Apparently what they learned was that they could use the pardon power to get away with anything.

The presidency of Ronald Reagan was marked by numerous scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any president of the United States.
~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandals_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration

llmart

(15,553 posts)
33. I trace the beginning of our society's slippery slope into selfishness to him and his sidekicks.
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 01:43 PM
Jan 2024

Those of us who didn't vote for him were in the vast minority, and I sometimes felt like I was surrounded by so many gullible people who were taken in by his goofy folksy routine.

Redleg

(5,843 posts)
5. And to think I voted for Reagan in '84
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 03:17 PM
Jan 2024

I was a typical young Republican dickhead at the time. I wasn't really into politics but I was easily swayed by Reagan's act. My dad was very disappointed in my vote but has since forgiven me.

Strange enough, I became disenchanted with Reagan soon after his second term began. I started to pay more attention to politics and realized that Reagan was a fucking boob and appeared to be more disengaged and "out of it" as his term progressed. Now we know it was Alzheimer's disease. The final straw for me was the Iran-Contra scandal, which shook me to my core and tore me away from the Republican party for good.

sab390

(185 posts)
12. My father, a life long Republican
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 03:47 PM
Jan 2024

Died 2 weeks before he could cast the first vote for a Democrat in his life in 84. He had come to hate Raygun. Veteran of WWll and worked for the MIC but came to learn Raygun was an evil man.

Permanut

(5,642 posts)
14. I hear ya, Redleg .
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 04:01 PM
Jan 2024

I voted for Nixon in my first Presidential election in 1968, and I've been trying to make amends ever since.

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
16. That Time Might've Been the Last Gasp of America's Free Press
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 04:27 PM
Jan 2024

Mark Hertsgaard followed the 1980 campaign's press coverage and what he reported would be a shocker if more people had read his book, "On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency." It helped document how Corporate McPravda (my term) did all it could to hide Reagan's shortcomings and all it could to denigrate Jimmy Carter. One of the main points I took away was that Reagan's PR team continued to create that misleading impression of Pruneface, even when airing negative stories by showing a smiling Reagan with smiling people and balloons and fireworks going up in the background, while the reporter relayed that Reagan's idiocy had led to whatever disaster couldn't be covered up. Hertsgaard's book did not receive the coverage it deserved.

On Bended Knee: The Press and the Reagan Presidency

Mark Hertsgaard. Farrar Straus Giroux, $22.5 (408pp) ISBN 978-0-374-25197-0

Based on some 175 interviews with top administration officials, senior journalists and news executives, plus analyses of newspaper articles and television stories, Hertsgaard ( Nuclear Inc. ) argues that the Reagan White House not only tamed the media but transformed it into ``a willing mouthpiece of the government'' in its coverage of issues ranging from economic policy to arms control. In addition to providing examples of the media's ``accommodating passivity'' on major issues, he contends that the Reagan propaganda apparatus (or ``Deaver & Co.,'' as he also calls it, referring to the president's former image wizard) chose the First Lady's pet project (i.e., the dangers of drugs) for her to draw attention away from her lavish lifestyle, which the public was beginning to notice and resent. Hertsgaard also claims that evidence suggests a 1980 deal with Iran to delay the hostage release until inauguration day, and that this alleged deal was the genesis of the Iran-contra affair. But these are mere sidelights in this charge-packed attack on the media's ``subservience to state authority'' and the ``witless malevolence'' of recent presidential image-making. Hertsgaard's most controversial indictment is that the nation's press lords deliberately reined in their troops. (September)

Source: https://www.publishersweekly.com/9780374251970

PS: Glad you evolved, politically, Redleg!

misanthrope

(7,428 posts)
18. Nancy Reagan's arrogance
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:11 PM
Jan 2024

Her first salvo against the rightful observations on her "lavish lifestyle" was her supremely galling performance of "Second Hand Rose" at the Gridiron Dinner in March of 1982, as described here:



What this historian perhaps unwittingly reveals in his recall of the incident was illustrate the Gridiron Dinner as the display of depravity it actually is. The chumminess between the Fourth Estate members on hand and those they are supposed to be holding accountable shows how corrupted many of them are by proximal whispers of celebrity and power. Every columnist in that room should have lit up the press and airwaves with outrage at Nancy's gall in light of what her husband was doing to deny care and security to those most in need.

Less than a month later, Nancy was in Atlanta for this p.r. stunt:



I'm surprised she didn't advise the children in attendance simply to ask their daddies to talk to one of their doctor buddies at the country club and just give them a legal prescription to whatever mood-altering substances they desired.

I would say Ron and Nancy Reagan were a blight on this nation, but they would have never had the opportunity to be so without our culture being so corrupted that it was drawn to the Reagans in the first place.

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
17. If they're racists towards their fellow Americans...
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 04:53 PM
Jan 2024

What did these “Christian” men think of the rest of the world?



Rev. Billy Graham (left) Tricky Dick Nixon (always to the right)



The Preacher and Vietnam:

When Billy Graham Urged Nixon to Kill One Million People


BY JEFFREY ST. CLAIR - ALEXANDER COCKBURN
CounterPunch, SEPTEMBER 27, 2017

There’s a piquant contrast in the press coverage across the decades of Billy Graham’s various private dealings with Richard Nixon, as displayed on the tapes gradually released from the National Archive or disclosed from Nixon’s papers. We’ll come shortly to the flap over Graham and Nixon’s closet palaverings about the Jews, but first let’s visit another interaction between the great evangelist and his commander-in-chief.

Back in April, 1989, a Graham memo to Nixon was made public. It took the form of a secret letter from Graham, dated April 15, 1969, drafted after Graham met in Bangkok with missionaries from Vietnam. These men of God said that if the peace talks in Paris were to fail, Nixon should step up the war and bomb the dikes. Such an act, Graham wrote excitedly, “could overnight destroy the economy of North Vietnam”.

Graham lent his imprimatur to this recommendation. Thus the preacher was advocating a policy to the US Commander in Chief that on Nixon’s own estimate would have killed a million people. The German high commissioner in occupied Holland, Seyss-Inquart, was sentenced to death at Nuremberg for breaching dikes in Holland in World War Two. (His execution did not deter the USAF from destroying the Toksan dam in North Korea, in 1953, thus deliberately wrecking the system that irrigated 75 per cent of North Korea’s rice farms.)

This disclosure of Graham as an aspirant war criminal did not excite any commotion when it became public in 1989, twenty years after it was written. No one thought to chide Graham or even question him on the matter. Very different has been the reception of a new tape revealing Graham, Nixon and Haldeman palavering about Jewish domination of the media and Graham invoking the “stranglehold” Jews have on the media.

On the account of James Warren in the Chicago Tribune, who has filed excellent stories down the years on Nixon’s tapes, in this 1972 Oval Office session between Nixon, Haldeman and Graham, the President raises a topic about which “we can’t talk about it publicly,” namely Jewish influence in Hollywood and the media.

Nixon cites Paul Keyes, a political conservative who was executive producer of the NBC hit, “Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In,” as telling him that “11 of the 12 writers are Jewish.”

“That right?” says Graham, prompting Nixon to claim that Life magazine, Newsweek, the New York Times, the Los Angeles Times, and others, are “totally dominated by the Jews.”

Nixon says network TV anchors Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite “front men who may not be of that persuasion,” but that their writers are “95 percent Jewish.”

“This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country’s going down the drain,” the nation’s best-known preacher declares.

“You believe that?” Nixon says.

“Yes, sir,” Graham says.

“Oh, boy,” replies Nixon.

“So do I. I can’t ever say that but I believe it.”

“No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something,” Graham replies.

Continues…

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/09/27/the-preacher-and-vietnam-when-billy-graham-urged-nixon-to-kill-one-million-people/



American leaders who also are racists regard the rest of the nation — especially Democrats who oppose them — like they do the people of this planet: something beneath them. Personally, I blame their upbringing.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
34. TThe worst thing is that these racist charlatans
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 01:50 PM
Jan 2024

had lots of supporters in the countries they exploited

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
35. President Kennedy tried to put Democracy into practice, but, you know...
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 02:16 PM
Jan 2024

President John F. Kennedy reacts to news of the assassination of Congo’s nationalist leader Patrice Lumumba in February 1961. (Photo credit: Jacques Lowe)



JFK’s Embrace of Third World Nationalists

By Jim DiEugenio
November 25, 2013

EXCERPT...

To understand the import of President Kennedy’s foreign policy ideas, one needs to contemplate the photo of Kennedy getting the news of the murder of Patrice Lumumba. The black African revolutionary leader of Congo was shot to death on Jan. 17, 1961, just three days before Kennedy was to take office, although his death was not confirmed for several weeks.

Eisenhower would not have reacted with the distress shown on Kennedy’s face because, as the Church Committee discovered, Lumumba’s murder was linked to the approval of a plan by Eisenhower and CIA Director Allen Dulles to eliminate him. (William Blum, The CIA: A Forgotten History, pgs. 175-176) Former CIA officer John Stockwell wrote in his book In Search of Enemies that he later talked to a CIA colleague who said it was his job to dispose of Lumumba’s body. (Stockwell, p. 50)

To fully understand the difference between how Kennedy viewed Africa and how Eisenhower, the Dulles brothers and later Lyndon Johnson did, one must appreciate why Eisenhower and his national security team felt it necessary to eliminate Lumumba. As Philip Muehlenbeck has noted in his book Betting on the Africans, Eisenhower and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles essentially ignored the tidal wave of decolonization that swept through Africa in the Fifties and Sixties. Nearly 30 new nations emerged in Africa during this time period.

Even though most of this transformation occurred while Eisenhower was president, the United States never voted against a European power over a colonial dispute in Africa. Neither did Dulles or Eisenhower criticize colonial rule by NATO allies. Not only did the White House appear to favor continued colonial domination, but with the nations already freed, they looked upon the emerging leaders with, too put it mildly, much condescension.

At an NSC meeting, Vice President Nixon claimed that, “some of these peoples of Africa have been out of the trees for only about fifty years.” (Muehlenbeck, p. 6) And, of course, John Foster Dulles saw this epochal anti-colonial struggle through the magnifying glass of the Cold War. As Muehlenbeck writes, “Dulles believed that Third World nationalism was a tool of Moscow’s creation rather than a natural outgrowth of the colonial experience.” (ibid, p. 6) Therefore, to Eisenhower and his team, Lumumba was a communist.

CONTINUES...

https://consortiumnews.com/2013/11/25/jfks-embrace-of-third-world-nationalists/

Mr. DiEugenio is a DUer, joining in 2013. He was met with a less than kind reception by our resident flock of doorkeepers for the uh status quo.

BaronChocula

(1,590 posts)
8. Very happy for this post!
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 03:30 PM
Jan 2024

So much history is lost on what made the gop the party it is today. I like to say Reagan expanded the confederacy into the North by scapegoating blacks. His "Welfare Queen on the South Side of Chicago" helped deliver his "Reagan Democrats." Before the Welfare Queen in 1980 there was the "strapping young buck" waiting in line to pay for steaks with food stamps in 1976.

I like to point out that every Senate Republican leader since Bob Dole has been a southerner (Lott, Frist, McConnell)

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
19. Excellent Observations, Yours. The South Has Risen.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:13 PM
Jan 2024
How the South Won the Civil War

Oligarchy, Democracy, and the Continuing Fight for the Soul of America


Heather Cox Richardson

Overview

While the North prevailed in the Civil War, ending slavery and giving the country a "new birth of freedom," Heather Cox Richardson argues that democracy's blood-soaked victory was ephemeral. The system, which had sustained the defeated South, moved westward and there established a foothold. How the South Won the Civil War traces the story of the American paradox, the competing claims of equality and subordination woven into the nation's fabric and identity. Richardson seizes upon the soul of the country and its ongoing struggle to provide equal opportunity to all. Debunking the myth that the Civil War released the nation from the grip of oligarchy, expunging the sins of the Founding, it reveals how and why the Old South not only survived in the West, but thrived.

Selected Quotes

“The West and the South become a political block and begin to push back against the East, not only in issues of finance, which other historians had identified before but also with issues of race and economic development. It was my contention in that book that one of the ways we got the Progressive Era was because once again, the people in the West and the South had managed to reinstate the concept of subordination for non-white peoples and for women in order to then be able to say that they could use the government to promote equality of opportunity for white men.”

“It’s 1977 that you get Star Wars, and the image of Luke Skywalker taking on the Empire. Of course, Reagan really hits his stride in 1978 and is elected in 1980 based on that incredibly powerful mythological narrative that hearkens not only back to Star Wars but also back to the Bible and to every little guy overcoming the big guy story that you can think of. But the Democrats meanwhile dropped their narrative really all together in the early 70s. Not only by jumping on the idea of coalitions but by the rewriting of the rules of the Democratic National Convention and National Committee in 1972...because they began themselves to focus on less on a narrative than on coalitions.”

“As the policies that are being enacted by the people in charge increasingly create an underclass⁠— and I don’t just mean an economic underclass, I mean increasingly don’t answer the needs of a growing number of people⁠— more and more start to talk to each other. They start to say ‘Hey, did you see this, I wasn’t so keen on that,’ and gradually they start to find a common voice. That common voice is eventually going to get people out protesting, and with luck, it’s going to kick up people who can articulate what’s at fault, and when they do that, that helps to create a movement.”

“A lot of societies have believed over the centuries that the way you move a society forward is to have a few well-connected, wealthy guys run everything because they can make it much more efficient...They end up not innovating. In order to really make people innovate, you want to put the resources of the government, make them available at the bottom and make education available to people at the bottom because they innovate, because through democracy they’ll make mistakes, but eventually they’ll come out the right way.”

Source: https://www.wilsoncenter.org/event/how-south-won-civil-war-oligarchy-democracy-and-continuing-fight-soul-america

PS: Really appreciate your analysis, BaronChocula. Back when Reagan was first elected, I remember voicing similar thoughts only to be greeted by laughter. Things have only gotten worse. In today's America, the slaves don't even know they are slaves.

BaronChocula

(1,590 posts)
25. Thanks for the kudos
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 06:48 PM
Jan 2024

It's taken years, but I've finally boiled down my summation of how we're losing the Civil War. The Union stood up to the confederacy and their defense of what I call the Old White American Order in which white straight Christian men sit atop a hierarchy that works exclusively for white straight Christian men. There's always been enough deference to the OWAO for it's defenders to prevail, going back to Rutherford Hayes ending Reconstruction.

Jumping to modern times, I believe even the most unsophisticated voters know the relationship between the OWAO and the republican party. I think it's why a plurality of Americans are under the illusion that republicans are better on the economy and foreign affairs. They assume that rich white men with old fashioned values are the most savvy people in America. I tell people if President Biden was a Republican with this economy his approval would be through the roof.

And now we have Nikki Haley, a republican woman of color who has hitched her wagon to the OWAO and as such, is twisting herself into pretzels trying to reassure other defenders of the OWAO that you won't get any race troubles out of her.

I know at least some of this has to be true or else it wouldn't be the kind of talk they're trying to stifle in schools.

Anyway, it's nice to share and thanks again for your spot-on post!

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
20. ...And America exported its special brand of Friendly Fascism
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:25 PM
Jan 2024
Davos Man Has No Plan to Stop Global Extremism

Populism Keeps Rattling the Globe. Elites Have No Idea What to Do.

Corporate leaders have lots of fears about political polarization. But where are their solutions?


by Nahal Toosi
Politico, January 20, 2024

DAVOS, Switzerland — For more than a decade, forces on the ideological extremes have torn at the global political fabric. And for just as long, the luminaries at the World Economic Forum have fretted about how dangerous that phenomenon is — for the businesses they lead and the countries they govern.

But years into the transnational struggle with resurgent populism, the corporate leaders in Davos appear to have no serious solutions.

In conversation after conversation here, I detected resignation and helplessness among business executives when it came to their counterparts in government. There’s a desperate desire to see the world’s political leaders appeal more to moderates instead of capitalizing on extremes, but there’s also recognition that the political market doesn’t easily reward the people in the middle.

C-suite types fear the polarization will only deepen as half of the global population, in more than 60 countries, votes in 2024 — everywhere from South Africa to the United States. For them, financial consequences can be stark, especially if the results of an election threaten shipping lanes or when campaign rhetoric leads to violence in a place they’ve invested.

“The biggest concern is instability,” the CEO of a private equity fund told me.

Continues...

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/01/20/davos-populism-political-extremism-column-00136618

It seems the CEO class wouldn't mind going full fascist if it guarantees their profits and status. Sigh. We've tried to warn the nation, byronius -- for years.

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
21. War on Drugs really was GOP making war on Minorities and Hippies
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:32 PM
Jan 2024

“You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?

“We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

“Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

— John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon

Source: https://www.vera.org/reimagining-prison-webumentary/the-past-is-never-dead/drug-war-confessional

GOP pays for top PR talent -- they twisted evil into voter support at the polls.

Response to Kid Berwyn (Original post)

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
28. Thank you. Must emphasize racist history.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 09:49 PM
Jan 2024

Part of the Fascist agenda, the very idea of racial superiority should be stamped out. In 1861, America went to war to fight it. In 1941, America went to war to fight it. Today, We the People must again do so -- politically, if possible, but by any means necessary to guarantee the Nation and Constitution survive.

Raine

(30,540 posts)
15. "Reagan Democrats" there was plenty of them and they put him in.
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 04:06 PM
Jan 2024

I'll never forget or forgive them. The "Martin Lucifer Coon" remark was well known at the time I remember it being reported by those having heard it!

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
29. That it was uttered by mid-level staffers...
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 10:04 PM
Jan 2024

...tells me their bosses probably uttered similar remarks, as well as condoned their expression by the leadership of the Reagan White House.

Did you see "White House Plumbers" -- a mini-series about E Howard Hunt, G Gordon Liddy and Co on HBO? I was not shocked to discover so many successful Republicans voice racial hostility directly at people of color, in that case, the Cuban-American, CIA operatives and veterans of the Bay of Pigs, people on their own side.

Contrast that with how President John F. Kennedy treated Abraham Bolden, the first African American to serve on the Secret Service White House detail:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10025609769






Solomon

(12,319 posts)
24. Black people knew Reagan was a racist pos. Why white people couldn't see it always baffled me, except now that I'm so
Tue Jan 23, 2024, 05:47 PM
Jan 2024

much older, I realize they could see it too, and that was the point!

I'll never forget a remark he made during a debate with Jimmy Carter in which he expressed the idea that there never was a race problem (he never knew there was one) but black people keep whining about it. Classic, its the victim's fault -- not to mention his welfare queen remarks.

I always thought Jimmy Carter cleaned his clock in those debates but the media acted like Reagan was the best thing since sliced bread. That one debate always turned me off to the idea that debates matter. No. Rather, the media matters.

Kid Berwyn

(14,964 posts)
31. Safari Club: How Jimmy Carter got canceled by Saudi Arabia and Big Oil.
Wed Jan 24, 2024, 01:36 PM
Jan 2024
How a Deep State Plot Sank Jimmy Carter

PETER DALE SCOTT
WhoWhatWhy.Org, 11/02/14

The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIA’s retrenchment in the wake of President Carter’s election and Senator Church’s post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,

In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)


After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trento’s account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,

combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with [former DCI Richard] Helms [then U.S. Ambassador to Iran] and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that “Shackley and Helms … began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.”(2)


Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:

Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like [Edwin] Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with [former DCI Richard] Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to [CIA] resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)


Continues…

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/

Jimmy Carter did clean Pruneface's clock in the debates. The thing is, Big Oil, the Saudi Roils and global Petroligarchs HATE democracy -- and Jimmy Carter. They will do all they can to get every last penny this extracted mineral can yield, even if it destroys the planet in the process. They think they can buy an island or safety aboard a yacht or whatever.
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Pruneface was a Klansman