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From a column in last Sunday's Philadelphia Inquirer, by regular columnist The Grammarian:
A new study in the Journal of Neurolinguistics from researchers at the University of Birmingham found that when certain people come across grammar errors, their bodies respond physically.
Heart rates change. Stress increases. Bad grammar activates the part of our nervous system that provokes the fight-or-flight impulse we get when being chased ... like by a tiger. All of that happens when we encounter someone breaking grammar rules. To some of us, it can feel like an attack.
Interestingly, we don't respond so violently when the errors are made by a non-native speaker/writer or someone with an accent (Polish, in the study).
So there's a scientific explanation for why bad grammar makes us angry. That's the good news.
The bad news: It's biology. It's instinct. It's the tiger that won't stop chasing us.
And there's nothing we can do about it.
Bettie
(16,124 posts)unless I am asked to proofread something.
But it is really hard to resist.
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)write, spell, or use proper grammar. I was spending all my time editing the entire document to a shade of red. I'd give it back with the edits, it would come back again with a mere 1% improvement.
I do make my share of grammar, spelling, and general writing construction mistakes but I have never shown a formal document to anyone before at least a few major proofing sessions.
Now that I no longer feel responsible, I can ignore a lot. Still, some mistakes are more difficult to ignore than others (e.g., using "me" instead of "I" as the subject noun of a sentence). But, I would hope not to be so rude as to embarrass someone for a minor mistake in spelling or grammar. That is especially true if I know that English is someone's second language.
zuul
(14,628 posts)some people here write such nonsensical garbage that I cannot look at it. I have learned to put those handful of people on ignore. I'm sure they're nice folks, but I feel like I might puke when I read sentence after sentence with horrible grammar and a bunch of misspelled words. I just can't do it.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)nuxvomica
(12,441 posts)The others are usage of "who/whom" and "laid/lay". Just recently, I saw a post headline that said a man "laid dying" and it was all I could do to keep myself from replying to it with a correction. But it wasn't the poster's fault; that was the published headline. And the text of the article actually had "lay dying" so it wasn't the reporter's fault either.
Celerity
(43,497 posts)cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)I subscribe to the paper version but couldn't figure out how to reference the online one.
NCIndie
(556 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)Yet another reason to worship at the altar of Weird Al.
Thank you, Black Adder. You have made my day.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Okay its more of a spelling error, but the reaction is quite physical.
For the love of Mike people, you take a single breath.
You breathe in and out.
I really need you to remember this!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)Wonder Why
(3,248 posts)MiHale
(9,775 posts)Maybe I should put a disclaimer at the beginning of each post that Im writing in a Polish accent.
I foolishly put my disclaimer in my signature line.
John1956PA
(2,656 posts)There is no escaping my Polish roots, not that I want to.
ON EDIT: After four hours, I noticed that I originally typed "infection" instead of "inflection." See, my Polish nature reveals itself again! Just joking, I worked overnight and was tired out when I posted my reply.
MiHale
(9,775 posts)50% Lithuanian. When I was younger the accent was more noticeable.
ChazInAz
(2,572 posts)Hungarian born. We grew up bilingual after a fashion, our mother being Welsh. When we emigrated to America in 1956, our father insisted that we kids speak only English. I've lost all my Magyarok. Took a long time to lose the accent, which sounded like Bela Lugosi trying to impersonate Dylan Thomas!
When I'm bone tired or really angry, it suddenly pops out...startling everyone around me. Gods know why it's still lurking like that when the language it belongs to has evaporated.
LakeArenal
(28,845 posts)However, when the media, politicians and pundits use poor grammar, I yell,
ARGH!!!
Particularly when I have heard Realtors call themselves ReeLaTors
.
Please, media learn the difference between number and amount and the difference between fewer and less.
Thanks.
elleng
(131,102 posts)'INCREDIBLE' does it to me, but not too 'severely.'
Love to see THIS exists: Neurolinguistics
nocoincidences
(2,229 posts)French grammarian Dominique Bouhours's last words were:
"I am about to -- or I am going to -- die: either expression is correct."
2naSalit
(86,775 posts)Reread the word or phrase over and over to try and get the intended meaning, same with punctuation. I try to correct my errors when I see them after posting. I guess that's why people asked me to proof their writing when I was in college. It was interesting when working with someone for whom English was a second or third language. Their first language always interested me. My best friend had me proof her work all the time, English being her third language, her first language lacking elements of English making translation/transposing challenging.
I learned, also, that I'm dyslexic.
English, I have learned, is messy, steals from other languages all the time and usually ends up breaking its own rules regularly. But some of us are rules keepers, it's in our nature for some reason.
I have also learned to keep it to myself ...in silent anguish most of the time.
erronis
(15,328 posts)I need to learn to "let it go."
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)was Websters Dictionary and in Junior High Encyclopedia Britannica.
Now at 75 my spelling is atrocious, almost to the point of being like my young neighbors.
And still they ask me how do you spell antidisestablishmentarianism, and I rattle it off.
ChazInAz
(2,572 posts)Britannica was my best friend as a kid. My parents bought a set, as well as a set of The Book of Knowledge for young readers as soon as we settled into the American Midwest in 1956. Devoured and internalized them. That's probably why I no longer remember much of my native Hungarian. And why I'm a grammar fascist!
LiberalArkie
(15,728 posts)was difficult. I am glad that is built into everything now. I guess my Britannica reading did help when the search engines came out. Now I am bugged by "What is the capital of Idaho".
TYPE IN THE SEARCH BAR WHAT IS THE CAPITAL OF IDAHO.
Oh.
Well, what is a search bar?
my phone accidentally drops the call..
I think Aspies are just the natural evolution and if that is the case, then the world population would drop also.
keithbvadu2
(36,906 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,394 posts)I guess I must have been traumatized by the criticism of my spoken grammar by a Brownie leader. She told me that people would consider me uneducated if I used bad grammar. Forevermore, I have never said "I seen..." and guard against other imperfect grammar, spelling, and punctuation. Diagramming the parts of speech in a sentence on the blackboard was stressful and competitive "flight or fight" team sport fun--NOT!
KT2000
(20,587 posts)There is a new reaction to bad grammar too. Now we have to ask ourselves if it is an auto-correct mistake or poorly educated writer.
I just proofread work from a writer who liked to use archaic terminology and poor punctuation. I thought I was going to have a stroke.
John1956PA
(2,656 posts)But the rest of us should steer clear of them.
erronis
(15,328 posts)I became too engrossed in figuring out the use of Capitalizations to see the final misspelling.
(Oddly, the spill-chucker doesn't like "Capitalizations", altho it apeers in the wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization)
DavidDvorkin
(19,485 posts)flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)I can deal with the its vs its, the their vs theyre vs there, and a few others, but there two that really bug me:
WHENEVER instead of WHEN
Use of PAST as part of a compound verb: I should/would have RAN
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)..."I should have came," and I should have went." The first time I heard her say that I almost corrected her. I was really glad I caught myself.
hunter
(38,326 posts)erronis
(15,328 posts)Ocelot II
(115,836 posts)and misspelled words, and I can be an awful pedant about it. I try to restrain my editor fingers (I've done a lot of editing work in various capacities all my life) on DU so people won't think I'm an asshole. I'm not really an asshole except where grammar is concerned, so please forgive me. Apparently I can't help it.
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)...little girl who was not happy with her dad's choice of a bedtime story - "Why did you bring that book that I didn't want to be read to out of up for?"
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)but what the hell.
I love diagramming sentences. I think every junior high school student should master diagramming sentences.
My English teacher in seventh grade set us the best sentences to diagram, like this one:
They named the baby Elmer.
Or this one:
Should the barn be painted red?
erronis
(15,328 posts)Of course most of it is just learning how language is commonly used in trillions of instances. But I'm sure they are also learning what makes a human-understandable blob of text so that we can be easily controlled.
(The above was not completely a snark.)
Kingofalldems
(38,475 posts)My pet peeves.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,749 posts)So it comes naturally.
WarGamer
(12,483 posts)but I try not to loose too much sleep over it and their are bigger things to worry about
Polybius
(15,476 posts)Like the fools who think "a lot" is one word.
kskiska
(27,047 posts)and have been tempted to do the same.
IL Dem
(815 posts)I even make the correction.
I read a book about a year ago that was so poorly written and edited that I went to Goodreads to give a negative review. The author had multiple advanced degrees but couldn't construct a coherent sentence.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)Not only did he pencil in remarks and corrections about grammar, he also corrected misconceptions about things like when adult men did and did not wear caps instead of hats. All in pencil, thank glob.
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)Without a doubt, I am one of those "certain people." I have to really watch myself and tamp down the almost irresistible urge to correct people who are committing assorted usage errors.
My husband has a couple of pronunciation habits that bug me. He voices the silent "t" in often, which I know some dictionaries say is OK, but is sounds affected to me. The other annoyance also involves the letter "t" - he adds it to across and says "acrosst," which makes me grit my teeth and I resist with all my might the impulse to snarkily respond, "There's no "t" at the end of that word."
He also sometimes uses "myself" instead of "I." For example, "John, Matt and myself are going to meet for lunch." I have no idea where this came from.
Current pet peeves -
1. Making a possessive from "I" - Mary and I's vacation -
2. The possessive of guys pronounced as "guises" - Your guys's/guys'es garden looks great." To my distress, I once heard Rachel Maddow use this.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)that just because I know something, I am not obligated to say it out loud. This has stood me in good stead. I am not just a grammar nazi. I am also an etymological nazi, so that when my sister-in-law asserted that there was an etymological relationship between the phrases "Pig in a poke" and "Let the cat out of the bag," I did not leap, shrieking, across the dinner table to strangle her.
Forever grateful to Mary Elizabeth Branaman. She saved my sister-in-law's life and me a long prison term.
edhopper
(33,615 posts)dont care if there grammar isn't any good, or whose upset when reading it. You're feeling aren't important or if your angry.
Wonder Why
(3,248 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,995 posts)long live LOL.
northoftheborder
(7,574 posts)Its especially annoying to see it in print by writers who should know better. I asked my grandson if he learned to diagram sentences in school - said yes. Depending upon spell check is not fail proof.
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)I have a spelling chequer.
It came with my pee see.
It planely marks for my revue,
Miss takes I can knot sea.
I've run this poem threw it,
And I'm shore your glad to no.
It wonder full in every weigh.
My chequer tolled mi sow.
(I did not create this. I did make a couple of modifications so the cadence was right.)
3catwoman3
(24,041 posts)...nuts, nerds , or fanatics rather than Nazis.