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Corporate greed is the problem. (Original Post) onecaliberal Nov 2023 OP
Corporations made tax laws to protect themselves. That is it, that is all. K and R Stuart G Nov 2023 #1
More people working and better pay boosting economy, to a large extent. Silent Type Nov 2023 #2
Feed the poor multigraincracker Nov 2023 #3
Corporations don't have feelings or morals. It's capitalism n/t leftstreet Nov 2023 #4
Corporations are heartless people. czarjak Nov 2023 #5
Bingo. n/t OhioChick Nov 2023 #6
It isn't really profits that are bad. It is the legal doctrine of profits over everything else that has nearly destroyed PatrickforB Nov 2023 #7
Excellent post. pazzyanne Nov 2023 #8
Chasing profits drives the economy, but can ultimately destroy us Martin Eden Nov 2023 #9
Should be it's own OP onecaliberal Nov 2023 #10
. ymetca Nov 2023 #11

Stuart G

(38,454 posts)
1. Corporations made tax laws to protect themselves. That is it, that is all. K and R
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 12:30 AM
Nov 2023

Last edited Sun Nov 26, 2023, 01:08 AM - Edit history (2)

Some corporations pay ..........NO TAXES... (IF IT WAS COMPLICATED, IT WOULD BE COMPLICATED!)

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/these-19-fortune-100-companies-paid-next-to-nothing-or-nothing-at-all-in-taxes-in-2021/#:~:text=For%20instance%2C%20Salesforce%20paid%20no,%242.2%20billion%20in%20U.S.%20earnings




Amazon.com Inc....... $2.1 B $35.1 B 6.1%
Exxon Mobil Corp........ $262 M $9.3 B 2.8%
AT&T Inc. ......... $1.2 B $29.6 B................ minus - 4.1%
Microsoft Corp............. $ $33 B ..............9.7%
JPMorgan Chase ....... $2.9 B $48.2 B 5.9%
Verizon Communica...... $1.9 B $27.2 B 6.9%


LOOK AT AT&T INCORP.....................................This corporation pays minus in taxes....gets a tax refund I expect

AND GUESS WHO PAYS THE MOST?....Microsoft...........(I am using that company right now)
(and look at the entire list..) ............. JUST SHOCKING !!!!

GENERAL MOTORS............ .0.2 %

PatrickforB

(14,602 posts)
7. It isn't really profits that are bad. It is the legal doctrine of profits over everything else that has nearly destroyed
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 02:22 AM
Nov 2023

the very planet we live on.

Right now, the ONLY fiduciary responsibility of ANY corporate officer in a publicly traded company is to generate profits for shareholders. The only exception to this is the so-called 'b' corporation.

This means the first thing the CEO will do when s/he goes into that corner office is bust the union and hire consultants to ensure that it will be very, very difficult for workers to organize. She will cut benefits, drive wages down, gobble up any pension fund if she can get away with it. The floor will become less safe, and managers may well be quietly coached to turn a blind eye to wage theft.

As to the consumers, if their product hurts or kills people, or gives them cancer, the first thing the CEO will do is summon the legion of sociopathic MBAs and ask them whether it is better for shareholder profits to just pay out the claims or recall and fix the product. The former is nearly always cheaper so we have, by way of example: the Johnson & Johnson talc which causes ovarian cancer but they left it on the shelves anyway. They KNEW. And big oil? They KNEW back in 1971 that carbon emissions were causing a greenhouse effect but they stalled and stalled, even creating pseudo scientific 'studies' to refute or at least cast doubt on actual science. Don't forget the Ford Pinto, which would burst into flame if it got rear ended because of a design flaw in the gas tank - sometimes. So Ford kept selling them until they got caught. Now we have Tesla lying about its self driving cars. Same thing. Stall, stall, stall. Keep them shareholder profits rolling in!

And the environment? Well, that is a multi-faceted approach:
1. AM talk radio and Fox news are paid well to cast doubt on any claims about corporate malfeasance. They specialize in driving wedges between us so people don't notice corporations and billionaires are screwing us all.

2. They buy politicians through dark-money superPacs. These politicians make sure the 'right' people get elevated to federal courts.

3. They fund think-tanks like the Heritage Foundation, Cato Foundation and ALEC that work to attack any regulatory oversight 24/7/365.

4. The goal, in case they are caught doing damage to the environment, is to pass on any cleanup costs to taxpayers while they still get to pocket the profits.

Sound monstrous? It is. Wall Street values profits over human life and the very habitability of the planet.

The solution? We need to get rid of the doctrine of shareholder primacy that stemmed from the 1919 MI Supreme Court ruling against Henry Ford in favor of the Dodge brothers, who sued Ford on the basis that raising the pay of his factory workers to the point where they could afford to buy the cars they built deprived them of 'profits to which they were entitled as shareholders.' And they won. This is how Wall Street has rolled for over a century now, and this republic is tottering on the edge of being a dictatorship. The middle class has been hunted nearly to extinction. The 2017 tax cut screwed everybody but corporations and billionaires. This whole planet groans under the tyrrany of our neoliberal shareholder primacy system of capitalism.

This needs to be overturned in favor of a stakeholder approach to corporate governance whereby the interests of workers, consumers and the environment would be held equal to the interests of shareholders. And then increase taxes and fund regulatory agencies so the new rule has teeth.

Why is this urgent?
- Six species an hour are going extinct. Six. Per. Hour.
- Eleven people die of starvation every minute. That is 9 million per year. Nine. Million. Per. Year.

We need to grow up. Consumerism is killing us. We need to begin thinking of ourselves as a species and planning forward around the needs of all life on this earth.

pazzyanne

(6,560 posts)
8. Excellent post.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 03:03 AM
Nov 2023

I have been anti-corporation for 40 years, and you have done a good job of spelling out the reasons. Thank you!

Martin Eden

(12,881 posts)
9. Chasing profits drives the economy, but can ultimately destroy us
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 09:42 AM
Nov 2023

Maximizing shareholder value by minimizing labor costs means less disposable income in the hands of the majority, which can hurt a consumer driven economy. There will always be economic cycles with occasional recessions, but the consequences are potentially catastrophic when so many families are living paycheck to paycheck. They have no cushion, so a plummet in consumer spending can produce a snowball effect rolling dowmhill to a depression.

The vast disparity of wealth is unsustainable, both economically and politically. The best way to avoid a revolution or a populist demagogue coming to power is an economy that truly floats all boats.

Cutting regulations will not only kill consumers it will hasten the demise of natural ecosystems upon which life depends while increasing the devastating effects of catastrophic climate change.

Regulations aside, our current model of consumerism with success measured by never ending growth is unsustainable because it transforms finite resources into various forms of pollution -- landfills, toxins in our food, water, and air, including greenhouse gases.

Greed is part of human nature. Human ingenuity has mostly been harnessed toward the pursuit of profits, increasingly in the hands of a small number of insanely rich individuals who hire smart people and fund the careers of politicians to ensure their huge piles of money grow ever larger.

This should not be possible in a functional democracy, but the uber rich also control a large segment of the mass media, omitting important information and delivering misinformation while triggering the tribal instincts in human nature to divide the public and pit us against each other instead of working together for our own common intetests.

For our long term survival, human civilazation needs to evolve beyond short term greed and tribal conflicts. Lifeboat Earth cannot sustain it. We need much better education which includes the vital necessity of cooperative action to build a better future for the children we ostensibly care so much about.

Human nature will likely always include a large component of self interest, but that needs to be a form of enlightened self intetest with the realization that personal success and survival requires collaberation to ensure sustsinability.

Primitive tribal societies did not survive without collaborative efforts for the common good. In this global technological age we have to start acting like a single all encompsssing tribe, celebrating diversity while working together towards common goals in everyone's long term best interests.

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